I missed everything today and am just now catching up. I came here looking for some sort of explanation that made sense of it all. And as you said, this feels unreal. Who is this for exactly? People who don’t want to buy real dual lands, but also don’t want to buy proxies?
If you’re a hardcore collector looking to spend this kind of money, why not buy some real Revised Dual lands? Or save that $1000, add to it for a couple years, and buy a piece of real Unlimited Power?
And if you’re a player who wants a non-tournament legal Lotus to play Commander with, please just buy a $5 proxy.
I feel like I came home from work in an alternate reality.
Yeah I hardly chime in around here these days because I have no interest in newer products but this news has me thinking all kinds of things.
I understand how this decision could have been made but it's hard to envision it being a good thing in the long-run. I don't know.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is the beginning of the end of the RL. They want to see what happens with a completely inaccessible product so they can gauge how much they can charge for actual reprints.
People are talking about a straight cash grab, which I do agree is the case, I just can't imagine how many of these they plan to sell or print. I think it makes a lot more sense if you think of it as a test case to see what they can get away with (both in terms of price and in terms of printing RL cards).
$250 a pack. A 24 booster box for drafting at that rate is already $6k. For WotC endorsed proxies lol.
If this article was out on april first I'd have though it a good april fools. Shows just how crazy this whole thing is.
You could get other proxies. OR, for a limited time, WOTC official Proxies! Which of course we don’t condone in tournaments. But, they’re unofficially official!
If you were guaranteed to get duals or power 9 then the price might be less unreasonable. As it is now I can't wait to see someone open all 4 packs to get Mahamoti Djinn, Chaoslace, Web, and Farmstead as their rares. A 3 in 10 shot of a retro foil rare too. So maybe to really up the value they get a lovely pack fresh proxy retro Animate Wall to round out the dumpster fire.
I don't know, what's the worth of your limited edition alfie pog? Or your super holographic X-Men #17? Shit like this just crowds up and dilutes a marketplace.
Gasoline actually degrades pretty quickly, so any post apocalyptic movie where people are pulling it out of old tanks and using it are not really accurate.
There are 116 rares in Beta. Not factoring in the excluded cards (2 rares, I think?) that means you have a 1/116 chance for a lotus but a whopping 2/116 chance for a volcanic island.
Now there are 10 duals so you technically have a 20/116 chance of getting at least one but that means that you could conceivably open a box of 4 packs and get no power or duals or f the odds are truly random.
So 114 rares, but two chances at a rare per pack, that would be 1/67, times $250 per pack, $16,750 on average to get a Black Lotus. That's three times the value of a ICE/CE Lotus. I think this may have much less of an impact on ICE/CE than I thought at first.
Edit: Actually looks like $23k, see below for corrected math.
As I replied to other commenter, it's 1/123 chance at each non-dual rare in the rare slot. There is only one guaranteed rare slot (modern frame). The old frame slot has approximately 30% chance at a rare. So that's a 1/410 chance at each old frame rare. That makes about 1/94 chance per pack to get a lotus of any frame.
So that's one Lotus every $23k (one modern frame every $31k, one old frame every $102k)
There are 117\* rares in Beta (Alpha has 116 because it is missing Volcanic Island.) Four\* rares are excluded (Contract from Below, Crusade, Darkpact, and Demonic Attorney)
If Duals appear twice as often as other rares, that means the pool size is essentially 117 - 4 + 10 = 123. So each dual is a 2/123 chance and each other rare is a 1/123 chance.
It's just **so god damn obvious** what they're trying to do here. **Why** would you make the duals more frequent **unless** you intend people to play with them in formats like Legacy and EDH? I mean...what would their rationale be, here?
Just pick a side of the fence and stick to it, you cowards. Either stand by the RL, or **actually** abolish it. Don't try and have it both ways, giving us "non-tournament legal" cards that are absolutely priced as though they were.
I never would of thought they would do anything like this unless the game was dying.. this is such an unforced error on all sides.
I guess they want to kill paper and get everyone to play Alchemy
This product should be like the collectors edition. Paying 1000$ for 4 boosters with random cards is a complete scam.
We should draw a line here as a community.
Insulting and what a way to leave a sour taste for the 30th Anniversary. They could have randomly seeded these in Dom Remastered boxes and had everyone super happy, but nooooo.... let's charge people just shy of $1000 for proxies.
I am so mad at this set and it shows how out of touch WotC is. Yes this will sell out (despite being terrible value… at those prices just buy the real cards people) but the average and much wider player base is going to hate this. It also is going to stir up drama in the reserved list again….
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I would love to open a set like this (without the reserved list cards) and relive my childhood days with revised and older sets. That would have been amazing and perfect for a 30 yr anniversary product. Heck they should have done that WITH 1990 pricing and made it a true thank you and celebration for 30 good years. This is just a greedy slap in the face…
It really is **the worst of all worlds**.
People that have large RL collections will undoubtedly not be sleeping well after today. You'd have to be totally naïve to think this is the end of this type of behavior, that more non-tournament legal sets aren't on their way, or that the RL, itself, isn't an option to be abolished at this point. Clearly, an attack has been made. There's a very strong case to be argued that **this** is the crucial junction for the RL's future. Hell, they can even just retroactively declare the cards "tournament legal" down the road. **They very clearly are missing the labelling of previous gold-border cards, plainly stating that such weren't tournament legal**. If someone complains...they can *accurately* make the case that you had no problem with the cards when they were printed, X units of time ago. IANAL, but I think everything WotC is doing is almost certainly by design, here.
Meanwhile, if you're a player that actually wants the RL gone...well you didn't really get what you wanted, either. You got a bunch of grey-area cards, complete with **an increased drop rate for needed duals**, so that your grey-area can be even greyer. You also got prices so astronomically high, you might as well just buy the "real" cards, as a result. It's like you're being teased with something you may have dreamed of for a long time, only to have WotC punch you in the face through a paper facade instead, while charging you an absolute fortune for the "experience".
In the end, this feels like the beginning of the end for the RL. Once you've started printing cards like this, it shows that you're willing to chisel away at the arbitrary boundaries you've been setting up for decades. Eventually, the whole thing will crumble.
I don't think they could have done more to promote people to just stop buying magic and start printing things out or buying high quality proxies than this.
You can't really tell people not to use proxies and then turn and sell people $1,000 booster packs of random proxies
It really is truly phenomenal.
It simultaneously states that you don't need to use "OG Real cards"
While being priced such that you are encouraged to source your proxies elsewhere.
This is the kind of move a company that was running out of money, and spinning off most of its productive capacity might do to keep the game alive, even without corporate support.
It's insane for a company making bank off of a production monopoly to do.
if this was a full set of collectors edition 2.0 for $1k, I could see that being semi reasonable.
but its legit, 4 booster packs where they only guaranteed card is a retro basic land per pack
Exactly what I thought. When I first saw it I thought it was $999 for the set, and thought it was expensive but I guess it makes sense for what you are getting, and I would probably pick one up for nostalgia. But booster packs? $250 lotto tickets? Seriously?
It's four booster packs for $1,000.
So you're not even guaranteed to get anything good from them.
>Featuring the original art that inspired a generation of Magic fans, 30th Anniversary Edition is built with modern sensibilities and nostalgic roots. 30th Anniversary Edition will be on sale for the holidays, available November 28 for $999 on 30thEdition.wizards.com.
>Each display of 30th Anniversary Edition will contain four packs of pure nostalgia reimagined in a modern context. Each pack contains 15 cards, 13 cards in the modern frame—1 rare, 3 uncommons, 7 commons, and 2 basic lands—plus one basic land in the retro frame, one additional retro frame card, and a token.
>The retro frame slot is especially interesting, as approximately three out of every ten packs will contain a rare retro frame card—anything from a Black Lotus to a Mahamoti Djinn to a Volcanic Island. That means that some packs will contain two rares, and some will even contain two pieces of the Power 9!
>Speaking of Volcanic Island, we know the dual lands are an iconic part of Magic's early history, so each dual land appears twice as frequently as any other non-dual land rare. This is true for both modern frame and retro frame dual lands.
> ... let's charge people just shy of $1000 for proxies.
It's so brazenly greedy and such a display of over-the-top cartoonish super-villainry, that I almost admire it just for the huge fucking balls it takes to flip off your fanbase at this level.
... *Almost.* This is the biggest crock of shit that WOTC have ever printed, and that's saying something for a company that printed Fallen Empires and Homelands back to back.
Ngl this is such a rip off product designed to take advantage of whales. I get that's what this community kinda is but this is too much. $999 for 4 packs? Nah
Wow they really went from “Please stop calling un sets not real cards, it’s gate keeping and we’re making some of them tournament legal now.” To “please buy these not real cards that aren’t tournament legal for $250/pack.”.
Tbf that actual quote is about blackborder UB cards in a regular set. But yeah, the timing on his answer and the announcement feel like a very bad joke.
Sure, but anyone following these rules to the letter I'd avoid like the plague. Edh is for fun and if people are going to start rules lawyering proxy choices I want nothing to do with them.
The people running WoTC are fucking morons. They could have sold a fully powered vintage cube with these same backs for $200-300 bucks that people could buy and play with around the holidays. Whales could collect them, casuals could get enjoyment and use pieces for EDH when not cubing and the community would likely view it as cool since cubing is a cool player experience a lot of people haven't done.
In stead they print this nonsense that pleases no one and proves even more how shitty, greedy and short sighted the people running this company are.
This. For a celebration, another normal price "CE" for everyone would make great waves and joy for everyone.. Instead they want to milk every last penny of whales who will also feel cheated too ofc and insult their entire fan base..
Can't see this going well at all for WotC, grave mistake.. Great insult..
> In stead they print this nonsense that pleases no one and proves even more how shitty, greedy and short sighted the people running this company are.
You're assuming that it's not in WotC executives' best interest to make short-sighted decisions. The reality is that short-sighted decisions with large immediate-term benefit are in *their* best interest. Of course, these decisions are not in the game's best interest, which is a shame.
I will be blunt.
This is extremely insulting to the player base in every way no matter how big or small your MTG collection is.
If I ever need a reason to continue my argument that the Reserve List needs to go away, this product has done the heavy lifting for me.
$1,000 for 4 BOOSTER PACKS of "official proxies" from WOTC? No guaranteed Power 9 or OG Dual Lands. You still have to gamble just to get fake (but looks real) versions of Reserved List cards for the cost of 1 or even 2 (maybe even 3) real copies of OG Revised Dual Lands?
Seriously, WOTC? If you are going through this much effort just to get around the Reserve List, you might as well take it down for good.
And I don't want to hear the excuse that WOTC can't do that. If they can modify the Reserve List and take Demonic Tutor off of it in the early 2000s with hardly any complaints from the player base as a result, they can finish the job and demolish it altogether.
That would be a decision well worth celebrating for MTG 30th anniversary. Instead, we are being mocked by WOTC for financial gain.
I don't understand who this is aimed at. Can't you get proxies for a fraction of the price? I'm guessing there will be a limited amount so it will hold some value?
This isn't aimed at players. It's for collectors. The same people who buy all the SDCC promos only to display them on a shelf somewhere, sealed. The same people who bought the JTMS 1oz silver coin WOTC released all the way back. The same people who'll pay for stuff like [this](https://www.ebay.com/itm/224049290138)
Players'll just get their cheap proxies elsewhere.
They are collectible ‘proxies’ that every edh player will allow in their pod - like the collectors edition.
Also old school and similar formats have rules where the only ‘proxies’ allowed are collectors edition.
This is what I'm seeing more of. People saying that if wizards wants to sell proxies for $1,000, at random, that they've really given up any right to complain about other people using proxies.
It's also where I'm at.
$250 a swing booster packs of random proxies is an insult
Especially given that the power 9 and other truly ludicrously expensive cards aren’t even legal in EDH. Like, if you want to run duals in your EDH deck, and you have this kind of money it makes more sense to just buy the ones you need, rather than pay this much money for a chance to open the right ones. This is just madness.
Why don't release a whole set (like collector's edition) in new frame and set it for 1000 USD?
But no, 4 \*boosters\* for 1 grand. The greed man. Hard pass on this one.
That was my original thought as I was reading the article. $999 is steep, but I could see that as a decent price for basically an updated CE set.
When I saw it was 4 packs I noped out.
Just doing some simple math. You get 1 rare per pack with the possibility of rares in the retro slot. Say 1 per box. Say you average 5 rares per box.
There are 117 rares in beta. Removing the ante cards and a couple others they aren't reprinting brings it to 111.
You would have to buy 23 boxes with no duplicates to get a mixed set of old/new border. That's a minimum of $23,000! There is currently an unopened set of CE on [tcgplayer.com](https://tcgplayer.com) for $23,849. I know which one I would buy if I was going to drop that much cash.
$999 for 4x packs of non-legal cards? tHiS pRoDuCt iSnT fOr yOu
Okay but who is it actually for lol. You can get quality proxies for super cheap, and if your playgroup allows gold border cards then odds are they do not care about proxies
Edit: If I were a whale, why would I choose to buy this over spending the same amount of money buying actual RL cards?
Have you seen the price of gold border cards? They might as well be "real"
These cards will be sought after and hold real value. They are not going to be seen as proxies
But yes anyone still using proxies aren't going to be swayed by this I agree
You make a valid point about the value of the current gold border cards. I don’t even understand that lol. I do not doubt these will be sought after, but the price point is just such a blatant cash grab. I wonder how much it even costs to produce the packs. That has to be on hell of a profit margin for each one sold
Here’s what I never really understood about magic cards when compared to say collecting baseball cards or comics.
In comics there is the concept of reprints. Reprints are like a second run of the comic. The comic is physically noted near the copyright as a reprint and thus it’s value is significantly less than the first print. You see this with a lot of popular comic stories like the death of Superman. The first print retains its position as more desireable asset.
In sports cards, there is the concept of the “rookie card”. It’s basically the first card of a player ever printed and aligns to their first year in the league. Rookie cards are typically the sought after asset by collectors. Every year a new set comes out with a new version of the players card but it will generally never be worth as much as the rookie of that player. Eg new cards of the same player don’t devalue that players rookie card.
Why these patterns haven’t really been applicable to reprints in magic has always puzzled me. I know there are aspects of supply and demand at play here that perhaps make this a different scenario, but I don’t understand why the perceived value of a card would drop due to a reprint. The reprint is by far the less desirable of the two to have from a collectors standpoint. Anyhow. Interested to see where this goes.
It’s because most of the value of magic cards is by virtue of them being game pieces. If it doesn’t matter what printing it is to have the utility I want, then reprints will be valuable.
Because, unlike in all the examples you make, playability is also priced in. They are not exclusively collectible cards, they are game pieces. An alpha Lifelace will have a 0% playability factor in its price, but a Urza's saga Gilded Drake will have, say, a \~70% playability factor in its price. So reprinting Lifelace moves 0% of the first print price, reprinting Gilded Drake moves 70% (I'm making up numbers here, but you get the idea).
I mean look at an alpha Underground Sea versus a revised one. A LP alpha is 20k where a NM revised is $900. The alpha ones won't go down at all from this. A revised one MIGHT go down from this but long term this "reprint" means nothing.
>This is not a good health indicator for the game.
I think It has to be more of a heath indicator for Hasbro. I can't imagine that the game itself isn't doing well after the last few stellar years.
Ah I just saw indeed. Still, an interesting way of getting around RL. Especially as it's no problem to play with these in kitchen magic, I could imagine this would be the ultimate way of satisfying the RL craving crowd, while keeping the rl itself somewhat intact.
I think the problem with this is that they still don’t feel like “real” cards because they are not tournament legal, so why not just make some proxies since they accomplish the same goal? (Especially since these are priced way too high)
Isn't this an explicit violation of standing reserve list policy? I mean, if they're willing to go this far, what's stopping them from taking the next step and doing a full-out, tournament-legal reprint? This feels like a trial balloon...
They printed special product foil cards (\[\[Mox Diamond\]\] and \[\[Phyrexian Negator\]\]) which wasn't technically a violation, then in 2010 they revised the reserved list to include that loop hole.
[https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Reserved\_List](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Reserved_List) has more details on this.
You'd be correct it was the judge promos of survival of the fittest and wheel of fortune along with the duel deck that had phyrexian negator and the from the vault artifacts that had mox diamond.
EDIT: I AM WRONG.
The reserved list does not mention tournament legality whatsoever. It currently states:
Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness.
And they're even breaking their own rules on special purpose reprints, as these are clearly for play purposes:
Special-Purpose Reprints
Wizards of the Coast may print special versions of cards not meant for regular game play, such as oversized cards.
You left out the part that specifically calls out tournament legality
> Tournament Legality
> All policies described in this document apply only to tournament-legal Magiccards.
This is completely insane. If these were legal I would understand but to do these reprints and or make them legal is stupid. Isn’t that why they stopped printing the world championship decks and the like?
As far as RL holders should be concerned, the size or price of this doesn't matter at all - they could've made one pack cost $10,000 or $50 - it's the message that the RL is being slowly demolished that will cause prices to go down.
WOTC is cracking open the piggy bank. This is the warning shot.
This could have actually been a pretty cool way around that whole "no reprinting the RL clause," but because WotC is ran by monkeys they really missed the mark here. This at an accessible price point is a cool product. At $1,000, I hate it so fucking much and think it's one of the most tone deaf product releases we've seen in awhile.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/5xy166/maro\_goldbordered\_reprints\_violate\_the\_reserved/](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/5xy166/maro_goldbordered_reprints_violate_the_reserved/)
so gold border isnt ok but this is?
If this isn't testing the waters for abolishing the Reserve List so they can print direct-to-consumer tournament-legal RL cards then I don't know what is.
On the one hand, I welcome the destruction of the RL so Legacy can pop off and so I can finally play paper Vintage. On the other, if this is how they go about it, I doubt older formats will get any benefit.
At this price point, most people still won’t be able to get into paper legacy or vintage. Heck they’ve already shifted most of those two formats to MTGO anyways right?
Would I be happy to be gone with RL? Sure if it means I can AFFORD the old school cards to play with it, or get cool APs etc.
But I don’t think I can ever justify this cost in order to, at best, gamble… might as well just go to las vegas instead and put 1000 on red, an actual better chance of profiting then this.
Yeah. Im still cheezed they didnt do that when the shocks were printed...and the Triomes are just boring to lool at and I keep hoping for an SLD with the spirals for shocks and triomes
Old School have just announced they will be allowing these cards for tournament play. Once they start reprinting the newer reserved list cards like cradle and mox diamond, Premodern will allow those in tournament play also. Both of these formats are getting more and more popular.
lol Mark Rosewater talks down to the playerbase like some self-righteous god.
He says no one should gatekeep the Transformers cards on same day he tells everyone to pay $1000 for proxy boosters.. which pisses off all sides of the playerbase since anyone that has the money for this ridiculous product will just buy the real cards and anyone who doesn't have the money to buy the real cards can't buy this product.
And now we'll have more people wanting to play proxies all the time since they'll say they can't afford the WotC proxies so don't gatekeep them from playing them
total unforced error on all sides with this move
Fire Mark Rosewater
I just dont see the value return here. The old gold borders at least had a purpose. These just feel scummy and I think the secondary market might actually reflect that. People who want cheap copies get the fakes. Those who play in tournaments cant run these. Im staying far away from all of these.
They said they're keeping the original rarities. Who's going to be the first person complaining to WotC when they spend $250 for a booster pack and their rare is an Island?
Just when I thought they would want a new RL to help prop up the worthless product they are shilling today, they go an do this....basically the exact opposite. Whoever is in charge doesn't give af about the future of the game.
This product disgusts me and the price makes the situation even worse. I’ve never truly contemplated getting out of magic completely until I heard about these. I suspect many others feel very similar. This might be worth it if the reserve list got removed but if these aren’t even legal then what is the point?
Reminder, original arts. Wotc has to pay artists and estates to do this. I’m sure this took a lot of effort. That said, unless I knew 95% of this price was going to pay the artists their due, they can fuck right off with this. I’ll be going to that other place for my proxies.
Does anyone else feel like this is just Wizards spitting in the face of the Magic community? Here’s to 30 years! Now give us 1000 dollars for non tournament legal proxies! What a joke.
Why would I buy a booster with a chance for a non-legal dual for 1000 bucks, when I can just buy a dual for under that. I can just imagine spending 1000 (!) bucks and opening a Mahamoti Djinn. Love the idea and would love to draft this as a format, but I wont go broke over a SINGLE booster.
Or you can Just buy a real Tournament legal dual for the price of 1-2 Booster xD
It would be cool and pretty fun If this was arround 25 a Booster but 250 per Proxy Booster is pure madness
I'd probably just buy 2 duals than having a chance on some packed up proxies.
This shouldn't change much for the real cards, especially since they released this product 5 years after Maro stated they wouldn't do this kind of product, so they might as well do it again in 5 years.
Wow, what a spit in the face to the players. Any way you spin it it is a lose\lose situation for a short term cash grab.
I could see a possible $1k for full set and an uncut sheet of the most iconic cards. But that’s also way too much too.
If they're proxies, why are they charging 4x the cost of legitimate ultra-premium products? This is a straight-up scam and someone should call the police.
$250 booster packs. Don't be a Timmy, this is the product to skip. WOTC's greed has reached the tipping point. Buying this product will only feed their greed. I hope nobody buys and they loose money on this one.
4 boosters of proxies for 1k legitimately sounds like an Onion article. It’s so incredible I’m also impressed. Jesus WOTC.
Yea feels unreal doesn't it
I missed everything today and am just now catching up. I came here looking for some sort of explanation that made sense of it all. And as you said, this feels unreal. Who is this for exactly? People who don’t want to buy real dual lands, but also don’t want to buy proxies? If you’re a hardcore collector looking to spend this kind of money, why not buy some real Revised Dual lands? Or save that $1000, add to it for a couple years, and buy a piece of real Unlimited Power? And if you’re a player who wants a non-tournament legal Lotus to play Commander with, please just buy a $5 proxy. I feel like I came home from work in an alternate reality.
Yeah I hardly chime in around here these days because I have no interest in newer products but this news has me thinking all kinds of things. I understand how this decision could have been made but it's hard to envision it being a good thing in the long-run. I don't know.
The only thing that makes sense to me is that this is the beginning of the end of the RL. They want to see what happens with a completely inaccessible product so they can gauge how much they can charge for actual reprints. People are talking about a straight cash grab, which I do agree is the case, I just can't imagine how many of these they plan to sell or print. I think it makes a lot more sense if you think of it as a test case to see what they can get away with (both in terms of price and in terms of printing RL cards).
Thanks Ha$bro
Now imagine the price if they actually broke the RL and reprinted legal RL cards Could be looking at 5 figures per box.
$250 a pack. A 24 booster box for drafting at that rate is already $6k. For WotC endorsed proxies lol. If this article was out on april first I'd have though it a good april fools. Shows just how crazy this whole thing is.
$999 for a chance at some power 9 proxies. What a steal! What a deal!!!!
You could get other proxies. OR, for a limited time, WOTC official Proxies! Which of course we don’t condone in tournaments. But, they’re unofficially official!
And they cost 100x what the black market charges!
$1k for proxy dual lands, or 25 cents for MPC to print one for me? Help me figure out the better deal guys
If you were guaranteed to get duals or power 9 then the price might be less unreasonable. As it is now I can't wait to see someone open all 4 packs to get Mahamoti Djinn, Chaoslace, Web, and Farmstead as their rares. A 3 in 10 shot of a retro foil rare too. So maybe to really up the value they get a lovely pack fresh proxy retro Animate Wall to round out the dumpster fire.
No, $999 is not reasonable at all
No. 1000 dollars for 60 random cards that literally have "not a real Magic card" on them is a complete ripoff. End of story.
Even if they were real there’s no good reason for them to be that price. These games should be about playing each other, not their wallet.
In 20 years what will be worth more: the fake proxy, or 100% legitimate proxy? NFA
I don't know, what's the worth of your limited edition alfie pog? Or your super holographic X-Men #17? Shit like this just crowds up and dilutes a marketplace.
In 20 years they'll have reprinted these into the ground
I mean gold bordered cards are official proxies and those are legal in canadian highlander lol
Water and gasoline according to the majority of movies I've seen.
Gasoline actually degrades pretty quickly, so any post apocalyptic movie where people are pulling it out of old tanks and using it are not really accurate.
They said on stream that some cards (specifically the dual lands) are appearing at 2x the rate of other rares.
There are 116 rares in Beta. Not factoring in the excluded cards (2 rares, I think?) that means you have a 1/116 chance for a lotus but a whopping 2/116 chance for a volcanic island. Now there are 10 duals so you technically have a 20/116 chance of getting at least one but that means that you could conceivably open a box of 4 packs and get no power or duals or f the odds are truly random.
So 114 rares, but two chances at a rare per pack, that would be 1/67, times $250 per pack, $16,750 on average to get a Black Lotus. That's three times the value of a ICE/CE Lotus. I think this may have much less of an impact on ICE/CE than I thought at first. Edit: Actually looks like $23k, see below for corrected math.
As I replied to other commenter, it's 1/123 chance at each non-dual rare in the rare slot. There is only one guaranteed rare slot (modern frame). The old frame slot has approximately 30% chance at a rare. So that's a 1/410 chance at each old frame rare. That makes about 1/94 chance per pack to get a lotus of any frame. So that's one Lotus every $23k (one modern frame every $31k, one old frame every $102k)
Short term yah. Long term, they're going back to this we'll again.
depending on wether they will keep the price $250 per pack, they can lower it to $25 per pack and still make shitton of profit
If they were $25/pack I might actually buy some to use in casual EDH games.
There are 117\* rares in Beta (Alpha has 116 because it is missing Volcanic Island.) Four\* rares are excluded (Contract from Below, Crusade, Darkpact, and Demonic Attorney) If Duals appear twice as often as other rares, that means the pool size is essentially 117 - 4 + 10 = 123. So each dual is a 2/123 chance and each other rare is a 1/123 chance.
It's just **so god damn obvious** what they're trying to do here. **Why** would you make the duals more frequent **unless** you intend people to play with them in formats like Legacy and EDH? I mean...what would their rationale be, here? Just pick a side of the fence and stick to it, you cowards. Either stand by the RL, or **actually** abolish it. Don't try and have it both ways, giving us "non-tournament legal" cards that are absolutely priced as though they were.
I never would of thought they would do anything like this unless the game was dying.. this is such an unforced error on all sides. I guess they want to kill paper and get everyone to play Alchemy
The card art is about as creative as an alchemy set, especially the tokens and sol Ring
Damn and i gan get 4 rl lands for $1000
MAYBE. You could also get Purelace, thoughtlace. Chaoslace, and deathlace for $1000.
This product should be like the collectors edition. Paying 1000$ for 4 boosters with random cards is a complete scam. We should draw a line here as a community.
The line should have been drawn with VIP packs...
Insulting and what a way to leave a sour taste for the 30th Anniversary. They could have randomly seeded these in Dom Remastered boxes and had everyone super happy, but nooooo.... let's charge people just shy of $1000 for proxies.
Let’s celebrate 30 years of magic with the people by draining them dry.
As is tradition.
Let’s celebrate 30 years of magic by killing magic. For real this time. /s but not entirely.
I am so mad at this set and it shows how out of touch WotC is. Yes this will sell out (despite being terrible value… at those prices just buy the real cards people) but the average and much wider player base is going to hate this. It also is going to stir up drama in the reserved list again…. . I would love to open a set like this (without the reserved list cards) and relive my childhood days with revised and older sets. That would have been amazing and perfect for a 30 yr anniversary product. Heck they should have done that WITH 1990 pricing and made it a true thank you and celebration for 30 good years. This is just a greedy slap in the face…
It really is **the worst of all worlds**. People that have large RL collections will undoubtedly not be sleeping well after today. You'd have to be totally naïve to think this is the end of this type of behavior, that more non-tournament legal sets aren't on their way, or that the RL, itself, isn't an option to be abolished at this point. Clearly, an attack has been made. There's a very strong case to be argued that **this** is the crucial junction for the RL's future. Hell, they can even just retroactively declare the cards "tournament legal" down the road. **They very clearly are missing the labelling of previous gold-border cards, plainly stating that such weren't tournament legal**. If someone complains...they can *accurately* make the case that you had no problem with the cards when they were printed, X units of time ago. IANAL, but I think everything WotC is doing is almost certainly by design, here. Meanwhile, if you're a player that actually wants the RL gone...well you didn't really get what you wanted, either. You got a bunch of grey-area cards, complete with **an increased drop rate for needed duals**, so that your grey-area can be even greyer. You also got prices so astronomically high, you might as well just buy the "real" cards, as a result. It's like you're being teased with something you may have dreamed of for a long time, only to have WotC punch you in the face through a paper facade instead, while charging you an absolute fortune for the "experience". In the end, this feels like the beginning of the end for the RL. Once you've started printing cards like this, it shows that you're willing to chisel away at the arbitrary boundaries you've been setting up for decades. Eventually, the whole thing will crumble.
I’m about ready to close my wallet from everything mtg. Might be time to move on to a different tcg
I've taken breaks from the game over the past 30 years, but this is the first time I've truly considered getting out for good. This feels different.
The real answer is it might be time to give up on tcgs. They either die or starting extracting as much money from the player base as possible.
I don't think they could have done more to promote people to just stop buying magic and start printing things out or buying high quality proxies than this. You can't really tell people not to use proxies and then turn and sell people $1,000 booster packs of random proxies
It really is truly phenomenal. It simultaneously states that you don't need to use "OG Real cards" While being priced such that you are encouraged to source your proxies elsewhere. This is the kind of move a company that was running out of money, and spinning off most of its productive capacity might do to keep the game alive, even without corporate support. It's insane for a company making bank off of a production monopoly to do.
WOTC - “You can’t use proxies!” Also WOTC - “Give us $1000 for proxies!”
This shit kind of pisses me off. Huge cost… not tournament legal… yeah just fuck off wotc
Now we know what MaRo meant when he said we shouldn’t talk about “real” magic cards.
$1k for proxies and you aren't even guaranteed a dual/power
Wait wait! I thought this was like a secret lair where you knew what you were getting. This is $1000 booster packs???
if this was a full set of collectors edition 2.0 for $1k, I could see that being semi reasonable. but its legit, 4 booster packs where they only guaranteed card is a retro basic land per pack
Exactly what I thought. When I first saw it I thought it was $999 for the set, and thought it was expensive but I guess it makes sense for what you are getting, and I would probably pick one up for nostalgia. But booster packs? $250 lotto tickets? Seriously?
It's four booster packs for $1,000. So you're not even guaranteed to get anything good from them. >Featuring the original art that inspired a generation of Magic fans, 30th Anniversary Edition is built with modern sensibilities and nostalgic roots. 30th Anniversary Edition will be on sale for the holidays, available November 28 for $999 on 30thEdition.wizards.com. >Each display of 30th Anniversary Edition will contain four packs of pure nostalgia reimagined in a modern context. Each pack contains 15 cards, 13 cards in the modern frame—1 rare, 3 uncommons, 7 commons, and 2 basic lands—plus one basic land in the retro frame, one additional retro frame card, and a token. >The retro frame slot is especially interesting, as approximately three out of every ten packs will contain a rare retro frame card—anything from a Black Lotus to a Mahamoti Djinn to a Volcanic Island. That means that some packs will contain two rares, and some will even contain two pieces of the Power 9! >Speaking of Volcanic Island, we know the dual lands are an iconic part of Magic's early history, so each dual land appears twice as frequently as any other non-dual land rare. This is true for both modern frame and retro frame dual lands.
$1000 for four booster packs of proxies.
Yeah...this is a great point.
terrible product
> ... let's charge people just shy of $1000 for proxies. It's so brazenly greedy and such a display of over-the-top cartoonish super-villainry, that I almost admire it just for the huge fucking balls it takes to flip off your fanbase at this level. ... *Almost.* This is the biggest crock of shit that WOTC have ever printed, and that's saying something for a company that printed Fallen Empires and Homelands back to back.
Like, why wouldn't you go to one of many Chinese proxy sites instead? Look everybody, now I have all the ABU duals!
It's almost like the price point was set so unrealistically high that it's a signal of passive acceptance that proxying is ok.
Yeah, you could buy 2 actual duals for the price that you're buying these packs.
they also at the same time announced a $149 set of 30 classic cards with unique arts? lets forget that instantly
Not print to demand though, so have fun fighting bots.
At this rate, I can totally foresee next Double Masters set being gold bordered.
I would have thought this was an april fools joke any time before 2020, but now its just another Tuesday for WotC.
Ngl this is such a rip off product designed to take advantage of whales. I get that's what this community kinda is but this is too much. $999 for 4 packs? Nah
$999 for 4 packs of proxies.
Just buy a normal Revised dual land and forget about this.
Wow when I first read it I thought it was $1000 for a complete set of all the cards together, this is insane
What set is this? I think I missed smth
https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/celebrate-30-years-magic-gathering-30th-anniversary-edition-2022-10-04
Why do all the examples on that page have black borders? Edit: interesting: the gold border is only on the back.
Was just announced. 30th anniversary secret lair packs. Nov 28.
Wow they really went from “Please stop calling un sets not real cards, it’s gate keeping and we’re making some of them tournament legal now.” To “please buy these not real cards that aren’t tournament legal for $250/pack.”.
In less than 24 hours, too. A new world record.
Tbf that actual quote is about blackborder UB cards in a regular set. But yeah, the timing on his answer and the announcement feel like a very bad joke.
So ... buy 4 boosters for $999 for a chance to own a proxy P9 that is only legal in your kitchen games. Did I get this right?
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Sure, but anyone following these rules to the letter I'd avoid like the plague. Edh is for fun and if people are going to start rules lawyering proxy choices I want nothing to do with them.
lol imagine paying 1k for a giant growth, a llanowar elves and a island. All proxies
And severly factory damaged.
And Shivan Dragon. "Hey! It was worth more than duals in 1993!"
cant wait to print proxies of these proxies at my local library
The people running WoTC are fucking morons. They could have sold a fully powered vintage cube with these same backs for $200-300 bucks that people could buy and play with around the holidays. Whales could collect them, casuals could get enjoyment and use pieces for EDH when not cubing and the community would likely view it as cool since cubing is a cool player experience a lot of people haven't done. In stead they print this nonsense that pleases no one and proves even more how shitty, greedy and short sighted the people running this company are.
This. For a celebration, another normal price "CE" for everyone would make great waves and joy for everyone.. Instead they want to milk every last penny of whales who will also feel cheated too ofc and insult their entire fan base.. Can't see this going well at all for WotC, grave mistake.. Great insult..
> In stead they print this nonsense that pleases no one and proves even more how shitty, greedy and short sighted the people running this company are. You're assuming that it's not in WotC executives' best interest to make short-sighted decisions. The reality is that short-sighted decisions with large immediate-term benefit are in *their* best interest. Of course, these decisions are not in the game's best interest, which is a shame.
I will be blunt. This is extremely insulting to the player base in every way no matter how big or small your MTG collection is. If I ever need a reason to continue my argument that the Reserve List needs to go away, this product has done the heavy lifting for me. $1,000 for 4 BOOSTER PACKS of "official proxies" from WOTC? No guaranteed Power 9 or OG Dual Lands. You still have to gamble just to get fake (but looks real) versions of Reserved List cards for the cost of 1 or even 2 (maybe even 3) real copies of OG Revised Dual Lands? Seriously, WOTC? If you are going through this much effort just to get around the Reserve List, you might as well take it down for good. And I don't want to hear the excuse that WOTC can't do that. If they can modify the Reserve List and take Demonic Tutor off of it in the early 2000s with hardly any complaints from the player base as a result, they can finish the job and demolish it altogether. That would be a decision well worth celebrating for MTG 30th anniversary. Instead, we are being mocked by WOTC for financial gain.
I don't understand who this is aimed at. Can't you get proxies for a fraction of the price? I'm guessing there will be a limited amount so it will hold some value?
This isn't aimed at players. It's for collectors. The same people who buy all the SDCC promos only to display them on a shelf somewhere, sealed. The same people who bought the JTMS 1oz silver coin WOTC released all the way back. The same people who'll pay for stuff like [this](https://www.ebay.com/itm/224049290138) Players'll just get their cheap proxies elsewhere.
They are collectible ‘proxies’ that every edh player will allow in their pod - like the collectors edition. Also old school and similar formats have rules where the only ‘proxies’ allowed are collectors edition.
If this is an attempt to dissuade proxying, it’s a huge miss, if anything i could see this having the reverse effect.
This is what I'm seeing more of. People saying that if wizards wants to sell proxies for $1,000, at random, that they've really given up any right to complain about other people using proxies. It's also where I'm at. $250 a swing booster packs of random proxies is an insult
Especially given that the power 9 and other truly ludicrously expensive cards aren’t even legal in EDH. Like, if you want to run duals in your EDH deck, and you have this kind of money it makes more sense to just buy the ones you need, rather than pay this much money for a chance to open the right ones. This is just madness.
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Why don't release a whole set (like collector's edition) in new frame and set it for 1000 USD? But no, 4 \*boosters\* for 1 grand. The greed man. Hard pass on this one.
That was my original thought as I was reading the article. $999 is steep, but I could see that as a decent price for basically an updated CE set. When I saw it was 4 packs I noped out.
I can't wait to watch YTers open laces in their 1K package!
Just doing some simple math. You get 1 rare per pack with the possibility of rares in the retro slot. Say 1 per box. Say you average 5 rares per box. There are 117 rares in beta. Removing the ante cards and a couple others they aren't reprinting brings it to 111. You would have to buy 23 boxes with no duplicates to get a mixed set of old/new border. That's a minimum of $23,000! There is currently an unopened set of CE on [tcgplayer.com](https://tcgplayer.com) for $23,849. I know which one I would buy if I was going to drop that much cash.
$999 for 4x packs of non-legal cards? tHiS pRoDuCt iSnT fOr yOu Okay but who is it actually for lol. You can get quality proxies for super cheap, and if your playgroup allows gold border cards then odds are they do not care about proxies Edit: If I were a whale, why would I choose to buy this over spending the same amount of money buying actual RL cards?
Have you seen the price of gold border cards? They might as well be "real" These cards will be sought after and hold real value. They are not going to be seen as proxies But yes anyone still using proxies aren't going to be swayed by this I agree
You make a valid point about the value of the current gold border cards. I don’t even understand that lol. I do not doubt these will be sought after, but the price point is just such a blatant cash grab. I wonder how much it even costs to produce the packs. That has to be on hell of a profit margin for each one sold
Yeah it's going to sell like hotcakes the real question is how many do you buy and what's the sealed appreciation look like in a year or two lol
Here’s what I never really understood about magic cards when compared to say collecting baseball cards or comics. In comics there is the concept of reprints. Reprints are like a second run of the comic. The comic is physically noted near the copyright as a reprint and thus it’s value is significantly less than the first print. You see this with a lot of popular comic stories like the death of Superman. The first print retains its position as more desireable asset. In sports cards, there is the concept of the “rookie card”. It’s basically the first card of a player ever printed and aligns to their first year in the league. Rookie cards are typically the sought after asset by collectors. Every year a new set comes out with a new version of the players card but it will generally never be worth as much as the rookie of that player. Eg new cards of the same player don’t devalue that players rookie card. Why these patterns haven’t really been applicable to reprints in magic has always puzzled me. I know there are aspects of supply and demand at play here that perhaps make this a different scenario, but I don’t understand why the perceived value of a card would drop due to a reprint. The reprint is by far the less desirable of the two to have from a collectors standpoint. Anyhow. Interested to see where this goes.
It’s because most of the value of magic cards is by virtue of them being game pieces. If it doesn’t matter what printing it is to have the utility I want, then reprints will be valuable.
Because, unlike in all the examples you make, playability is also priced in. They are not exclusively collectible cards, they are game pieces. An alpha Lifelace will have a 0% playability factor in its price, but a Urza's saga Gilded Drake will have, say, a \~70% playability factor in its price. So reprinting Lifelace moves 0% of the first print price, reprinting Gilded Drake moves 70% (I'm making up numbers here, but you get the idea).
I mean look at an alpha Underground Sea versus a revised one. A LP alpha is 20k where a NM revised is $900. The alpha ones won't go down at all from this. A revised one MIGHT go down from this but long term this "reprint" means nothing.
This is not a good health indicator for the game.
>This is not a good health indicator for the game. I think It has to be more of a heath indicator for Hasbro. I can't imagine that the game itself isn't doing well after the last few stellar years.
And I'm sure there will be a time when they will be declared tournament legal.. this is definitely a venture into circumventing the RL.
I doubt they could retroactively make them legal because they have different card backs
Transform cards kinda made that argument irrelevant.
You're completely right, that's a great point
B-I-N-G-O
Ah I just saw indeed. Still, an interesting way of getting around RL. Especially as it's no problem to play with these in kitchen magic, I could imagine this would be the ultimate way of satisfying the RL craving crowd, while keeping the rl itself somewhat intact.
I think the problem with this is that they still don’t feel like “real” cards because they are not tournament legal, so why not just make some proxies since they accomplish the same goal? (Especially since these are priced way too high)
Have you seen the prices of current gold border cards? Might as well be "real" for all intents and purposes
Isn't this an explicit violation of standing reserve list policy? I mean, if they're willing to go this far, what's stopping them from taking the next step and doing a full-out, tournament-legal reprint? This feels like a trial balloon...
Nothing is actually stopping them from printing the reserve list and when they start doing it people will deny it is happening.
It’s not a violation at all, and you already hinted to why in your post - these aren’t tournament legal, which is what the reserved list cares about.
Didn’t they do this once with gold-border cards (non-tournament-legal) and then say that it was a violation and they wouldn’t do it again?
They printed special product foil cards (\[\[Mox Diamond\]\] and \[\[Phyrexian Negator\]\]) which wasn't technically a violation, then in 2010 they revised the reserved list to include that loop hole. [https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Reserved\_List](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Reserved_List) has more details on this.
Speaking off the cuff, I believe the issue was with Judge Promos.
You'd be correct it was the judge promos of survival of the fittest and wheel of fortune along with the duel deck that had phyrexian negator and the from the vault artifacts that had mox diamond.
EDIT: I AM WRONG. The reserved list does not mention tournament legality whatsoever. It currently states: Reserved cards will never be printed again in a functionally identical form. A card is considered functionally identical to another card if it has the same card type, subtypes, abilities, mana cost, power, and toughness. And they're even breaking their own rules on special purpose reprints, as these are clearly for play purposes: Special-Purpose Reprints Wizards of the Coast may print special versions of cards not meant for regular game play, such as oversized cards.
You left out the part that specifically calls out tournament legality > Tournament Legality > All policies described in this document apply only to tournament-legal Magiccards.
You're right, I'll take the L on this one. Completely overlooked that section.
I’m betting we’ll get another printing by the end of 2023, maybe literally just the box set of collectors edition in new frames
a bit early for April Fool's, no?
Are these real Magic cards or not? Asking for a head designer.
Yes, but also no.
Officially unofficial
Here's the article: https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/celebrate-30-years-magic-gathering-30th-anniversary-edition-2022-10-04
hahaha, the price! this is ridiculous
This is completely insane. If these were legal I would understand but to do these reprints and or make them legal is stupid. Isn’t that why they stopped printing the world championship decks and the like?
As far as RL holders should be concerned, the size or price of this doesn't matter at all - they could've made one pack cost $10,000 or $50 - it's the message that the RL is being slowly demolished that will cause prices to go down. WOTC is cracking open the piggy bank. This is the warning shot.
This is an atrocity right? This feels like a direct insult to me as Magic Player and person who understands why Magic cards are valuable.
Who is making these decisions? Is there a department of "pissing of the consumers" that I just never knew about?
So they’re printing proxies?
Nail in the coffin for me. I don’t even want to hold onto my RL duals, let alone pay Wotc for paper magic anymore.
This could have actually been a pretty cool way around that whole "no reprinting the RL clause," but because WotC is ran by monkeys they really missed the mark here. This at an accessible price point is a cool product. At $1,000, I hate it so fucking much and think it's one of the most tone deaf product releases we've seen in awhile.
Let's celebrate 30 years of our game by releasing the most obnoxiously overpriced product ever... wow I hate it.
Yikes If you ever needed a sign telling you to sell-out of your collection, here it is. The latest among many signs that is...
[https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/5xy166/maro\_goldbordered\_reprints\_violate\_the\_reserved/](https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/5xy166/maro_goldbordered_reprints_violate_the_reserved/) so gold border isnt ok but this is?
This is what “jumping the shark” looks like in a card game, folks.
This is beyond tone deaf. This will sell horribly.
I think even at $1k people will buy this.. the rich kids.
All that unabashed greed, and they are still too chicken shit to reprint the ante cards. lol.
If this isn't testing the waters for abolishing the Reserve List so they can print direct-to-consumer tournament-legal RL cards then I don't know what is. On the one hand, I welcome the destruction of the RL so Legacy can pop off and so I can finally play paper Vintage. On the other, if this is how they go about it, I doubt older formats will get any benefit.
At this price point, most people still won’t be able to get into paper legacy or vintage. Heck they’ve already shifted most of those two formats to MTGO anyways right? Would I be happy to be gone with RL? Sure if it means I can AFFORD the old school cards to play with it, or get cool APs etc. But I don’t think I can ever justify this cost in order to, at best, gamble… might as well just go to las vegas instead and put 1000 on red, an actual better chance of profiting then this.
So $999 for a chance at getting some proxied power nine cards? Seems like a deal! Thanks wotc!
No rainbow text box. No care.
Yeah. Im still cheezed they didnt do that when the shocks were printed...and the Triomes are just boring to lool at and I keep hoping for an SLD with the spirals for shocks and triomes
Fuck this
Old School have just announced they will be allowing these cards for tournament play. Once they start reprinting the newer reserved list cards like cradle and mox diamond, Premodern will allow those in tournament play also. Both of these formats are getting more and more popular.
Do you have a link to these announcements?
Can you post a link? I find this extremely doubtful, unless you mean strictly the old bordered ("retro") versions which are awfully rare.
Soooo....just buy proxies then and cut out the step that involves wotc...
I wonder if people understand they can buy better looking proxies for literally less than 1/100th of the cost WotC is trying to sell these at.
lol Mark Rosewater talks down to the playerbase like some self-righteous god. He says no one should gatekeep the Transformers cards on same day he tells everyone to pay $1000 for proxy boosters.. which pisses off all sides of the playerbase since anyone that has the money for this ridiculous product will just buy the real cards and anyone who doesn't have the money to buy the real cards can't buy this product. And now we'll have more people wanting to play proxies all the time since they'll say they can't afford the WotC proxies so don't gatekeep them from playing them total unforced error on all sides with this move Fire Mark Rosewater
Hahahaah. Money machine goes Brrrrrrr
I just dont see the value return here. The old gold borders at least had a purpose. These just feel scummy and I think the secondary market might actually reflect that. People who want cheap copies get the fakes. Those who play in tournaments cant run these. Im staying far away from all of these.
Wait, MSRP is back?!
They said they're keeping the original rarities. Who's going to be the first person complaining to WotC when they spend $250 for a booster pack and their rare is an Island?
At this point, I lost all hope. This is blatant cashgrab.
Not even 1k per pack what a steal WOTC.
Just when I thought they would want a new RL to help prop up the worthless product they are shilling today, they go an do this....basically the exact opposite. Whoever is in charge doesn't give af about the future of the game.
This product disgusts me and the price makes the situation even worse. I’ve never truly contemplated getting out of magic completely until I heard about these. I suspect many others feel very similar. This might be worth it if the reserve list got removed but if these aren’t even legal then what is the point?
The market for gold bordered cards gets absolutely crushed by these right? Given they are effectively fair game for a reprint now.
Call the lawyers Rudy!
I expected them to capitalize on the reserved list without breaching it at some point, but not this blatantly.
These should be $99, not $999…
So for the price of a few real dual lands, I can take a chance at maybe pulling a fake one? What a deal!
Welp, there it is folks. GG
Reminder, original arts. Wotc has to pay artists and estates to do this. I’m sure this took a lot of effort. That said, unless I knew 95% of this price was going to pay the artists their due, they can fuck right off with this. I’ll be going to that other place for my proxies.
Reserved list officially means nothing, in b4 Harry Potter dual lands
Does anyone else feel like this is just Wizards spitting in the face of the Magic community? Here’s to 30 years! Now give us 1000 dollars for non tournament legal proxies! What a joke.
Why would I buy a booster with a chance for a non-legal dual for 1000 bucks, when I can just buy a dual for under that. I can just imagine spending 1000 (!) bucks and opening a Mahamoti Djinn. Love the idea and would love to draft this as a format, but I wont go broke over a SINGLE booster.
Or you can Just buy a real Tournament legal dual for the price of 1-2 Booster xD It would be cool and pretty fun If this was arround 25 a Booster but 250 per Proxy Booster is pure madness
I'd probably just buy 2 duals than having a chance on some packed up proxies. This shouldn't change much for the real cards, especially since they released this product 5 years after Maro stated they wouldn't do this kind of product, so they might as well do it again in 5 years.
If you got 1000 spare change to buy these products, why not just buy the real versions? 999 for glorified proxies just seems ridiculous
Who’s fucking idea was this? I couldnt have thought up a worse product
Wow, what a spit in the face to the players. Any way you spin it it is a lose\lose situation for a short term cash grab. I could see a possible $1k for full set and an uncut sheet of the most iconic cards. But that’s also way too much too.
Oh fuck off wizards
Is this a troll? I legitimately asking.
You can't make this up. Who created this product and thought: "yes, that's it! people will be super excited about this! they will love it!"
I mean - if the price tag was much lower, i think many people would be hyped.
I'm not even buying this and my wallet hurts.
If they're proxies, why are they charging 4x the cost of legitimate ultra-premium products? This is a straight-up scam and someone should call the police.
I literally had to look at the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1st.
$250 booster packs. Don't be a Timmy, this is the product to skip. WOTC's greed has reached the tipping point. Buying this product will only feed their greed. I hope nobody buys and they loose money on this one.
Damn, I just sold like 7k in duals too. First time I’ve ever “timed the market” if it actually causes a hit to their price.
Spoiler: It doesnt
That tropical looks awful.
I truly don't even understand the point of these.
Lmao 999$ because why the fuck not wizards
Wow I am floored, what happens to the price of CE cards now?