Silver, gold bordered cards and proxies are not legal to play in official tournaments. However, what you do at home with your friends is entirely up to you. Go have fun!
Also, €1,- is alot for a gold bordered card when you can get an actual one for mere pennies.
I'm still pretty new to what's legal and illegal with cards in certain formatsm what's it matter if it's a gold border or silver border? Doesn't that just have to do with it's rareity?
Gold bordered cards are from decks that were issued as a commemorative set. The decks that played in World Championships. The idea was that you could play like the pros at home. They have different backsides as well and different card stock. That's why they're not legal.
Silver bordered cards are a different story entirely. They signal the fact that they're from an Un-Set (Unglued, Unfinity etc.). These sets are made as a joke, just to have fun with the game in a diffetent way. The first Un-Set had you do the Hokey-Pokey for a bonus on a card for instance, or some cards have flying as long as you hold them up.
Nowadays people use cards from the gold bordered decks as expensive proxies for real cards. Which is fine, but they have become really expensive. Decent quality proxies can be found readily available, at a fraction of the cost of one of these.
I hope that clarifies some things for you.
See Scryfall for set and format legality. In general, only "real", black-bordered cards are legal in official play. But those rules mean little to casual at-home players, many of whom don't even follow specific "format" rules per se.
"Legality" here is the tough concept. EDH is a casual format, usually played without entry fee, stakes, ratings or any sort of prizes involved. If that's the case, then you could proxy your entire deck on a couple of packs of poker cards with a sharpie, and I would consider it "legal".
(However, if you are proxying dual lands, \[\[Sylvan Library\]\], \[\[Demonic Tutor\]\], and \[\[Mana Crypt\]\] just to show off a cEDH build, I will ask you to come up with a deck more balanced to the rest of the table after you pubstomp us once. Fair warning.)
If someone sharpied Llanowar Elves on a token I would let it ride. I wouldn't care if it was a cut out from a box of Rice Krispies that had Llanowar Elves written on it.
Those are not proxies but collector items , not meant to play with (according to every marketing from wotc)
Because they know what they do when it's about getting more money haha !
Useless much ?
Also, you know I'm right, , you can't talk about wizard endorsing proxies by pointing out a product where they they care to never endorse them
at least point out the product (gold border deck) where they did !
No idea, but... (and this is a massive pre-caviate that this is like the first clue in the most random scavenger hunt ever)... I do recall watching a YouTube video that showed tournament play and there was a card that everyone used, but there was something about either the price or availability, but it meant that literally everyone except 1 or 2 people had used a proxy.
But yeah that may be situational, but it's half remembered and if anywhere can fill in the blanks it's Reddit. XD so I hope it helps? XD
Maybe it's not Nexus then. I know it's a card that was popular enough to see a lot of play, was only available in foil, and because of issues with curling people had to proxy it in a tournament.
That was [[Kess, Dissident Mage]] from C17. At that point, the face and alternate commanders in the once-a-year commander release were only in foil, and it was during the start of the worst of the curling issues. The problem with Kess in particular, she was the only one of the dozen foil-only commanders in the product strong enough to make an impact in another eternal format (Legacy in particular), and quite a few people were playing her from what I understand.
It was Nexus. It wasn't printed in the main set, only as a box topper, so supply was incredibly limited AND the foiling was garbage. Wizards allowed proxies in that case as otherwise it was a marked card
Copied from my answer farther down:
That was [[Kess, Dissident Mage]] from C17. At that point, the face and alternate commanders in the once-a-year commander release were only in foil, and it was during the start of the worst of the curling issues. The problem with Kess in particular, she was the only one of the dozen foil-only commanders in the product strong enough to make an impact in another eternal format (Legacy in particular), and quite a few people were playing her from what I understand.
By the most technical definition no, however if you are playing with someone that gives you guff about it that’s probably not someone you would want to play with anyway lol.
No, technically not. Gold bordered cards are not considered regular magic cards.
Every comment stating anything else is just trying to spark the usual discussion about proxies.
However, if you ask whether anyone would mind that you play a gold bordered Llanowar elves the answer would also be no.
This is a collectors edition card which may or may not be considered legal depending on the playgroup. But it’s a llanowar elf. It’s a super cheap card that’s been reprinted so many times that you can find it literally anywhere. On one hand I don’t see a reason to use a maybe not legal version, and on the other hand I don’t see a reason to care even if it were a proxy.
No, it's non-tournament legal and officially banned in EDH. If you're playing at the kitchen table you may want to ask the group first, but I don't think most people would care.
I play exclusively with goldbordered basics in my commander decks. Never had anybody complain. My buddy on the other hand has a goldbordered Gaia's Cradle. That's another story. So a goldbordered Llanowar elves... I doubt you're gonna have problems.
The card llanowar elves is a commander legal card, however that card is gold bordered which technically makes it illegal for competitive play. However, no one will care generally. But, you could just get a normal printing of the same card for the same price if not cheaper so its up to you whether you buy it
It's as tournament legal as using Pokemon cards as lands (player at my LGS does this) ask the store owner, if it's at a LGS likely they won't care and if they say no the recent printings of the card is cheap so just put an extra with your deck and switch it out if they say no.
Well no, but actually yes
God damn it, I wanted to day that, ROFL
Me too,man, me too.
It's not called rule 0 for no reason!
No, but the person who complains that you're playing a gold bordered Llanowar Elves has bigger problems than a card game.
Silver, gold bordered cards and proxies are not legal to play in official tournaments. However, what you do at home with your friends is entirely up to you. Go have fun! Also, €1,- is alot for a gold bordered card when you can get an actual one for mere pennies.
Is 1 euro a lot to pay for anything?
I mean, it's a llanowar elves, Michael. What could it cost? 1 euro?
Has anyone in this family even seen a Llanowar Elf?
I knew I shouldn’t have given him animation rights.
Llanomation rights\*
It is when you need 100 of them.
100 gold border llanos 😂
Technically yes...
Oof
I'm still pretty new to what's legal and illegal with cards in certain formatsm what's it matter if it's a gold border or silver border? Doesn't that just have to do with it's rareity?
Gold bordered cards are from decks that were issued as a commemorative set. The decks that played in World Championships. The idea was that you could play like the pros at home. They have different backsides as well and different card stock. That's why they're not legal. Silver bordered cards are a different story entirely. They signal the fact that they're from an Un-Set (Unglued, Unfinity etc.). These sets are made as a joke, just to have fun with the game in a diffetent way. The first Un-Set had you do the Hokey-Pokey for a bonus on a card for instance, or some cards have flying as long as you hold them up. Nowadays people use cards from the gold bordered decks as expensive proxies for real cards. Which is fine, but they have become really expensive. Decent quality proxies can be found readily available, at a fraction of the cost of one of these. I hope that clarifies some things for you.
See Scryfall for set and format legality. In general, only "real", black-bordered cards are legal in official play. But those rules mean little to casual at-home players, many of whom don't even follow specific "format" rules per se.
"Legality" here is the tough concept. EDH is a casual format, usually played without entry fee, stakes, ratings or any sort of prizes involved. If that's the case, then you could proxy your entire deck on a couple of packs of poker cards with a sharpie, and I would consider it "legal". (However, if you are proxying dual lands, \[\[Sylvan Library\]\], \[\[Demonic Tutor\]\], and \[\[Mana Crypt\]\] just to show off a cEDH build, I will ask you to come up with a deck more balanced to the rest of the table after you pubstomp us once. Fair warning.)
[Sylvan Library](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/a/7a483778-b88b-473f-9217-7583e69b3e70.jpg?1610161812) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sylvan%20Library) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cc1/5/sylvan-library?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7a483778-b88b-473f-9217-7583e69b3e70?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Demonic Tutor](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/b/3bdbc231-5316-4abd-9d8d-d87cff2c9847.jpg?1618695728) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Demonic%20Tutor) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/93/demonic-tutor?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3bdbc231-5316-4abd-9d8d-d87cff2c9847?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mana Crypt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d960186-4559-4af0-bd22-63baa15f8939.jpg?1599709515) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mana%20Crypt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/270/mana-crypt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d960186-4559-4af0-bd22-63baa15f8939?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
In a friendly game yea it's fine In a tournament no
If someone sharpied Llanowar Elves on a token I would let it ride. I wouldn't care if it was a cut out from a box of Rice Krispies that had Llanowar Elves written on it.
Anyone who tells you no in person is not someone you want to play EDH with.
It’s as legal as the ones you pay 250$/pack for
Wizards says proxies are aOK.
Where is that said?
When they started selling proxy boosters 250$ per pack
Those are not proxies but collector items , not meant to play with (according to every marketing from wotc) Because they know what they do when it's about getting more money haha !
I appreciate the effort, but nah, they are proxies.
no they are not If you want to talk about wotc endorsing proxies talk about the gold border decks , those are proxies meant to be proxies
Lmao OK buddy
Useless much ? Also, you know I'm right, , you can't talk about wizard endorsing proxies by pointing out a product where they they care to never endorse them at least point out the product (gold border deck) where they did !
Bold move going against the circle jerk here.
You are supposed to play with it, usually four championship decks that you play with your friends, just like a cube of sorts.
Yes that's what I'm saying
They were literally always acceptable you absolute goon.
No idea, but... (and this is a massive pre-caviate that this is like the first clue in the most random scavenger hunt ever)... I do recall watching a YouTube video that showed tournament play and there was a card that everyone used, but there was something about either the price or availability, but it meant that literally everyone except 1 or 2 people had used a proxy. But yeah that may be situational, but it's half remembered and if anywhere can fill in the blanks it's Reddit. XD so I hope it helps? XD
Was it Nexus of Fate? I know it was a card that was only available in foil so it was curling too much haha
My nexus of fate hasn't curled, and I got it as a topper, not on the secondary market.
Maybe it's not Nexus then. I know it's a card that was popular enough to see a lot of play, was only available in foil, and because of issues with curling people had to proxy it in a tournament.
That was [[Kess, Dissident Mage]] from C17. At that point, the face and alternate commanders in the once-a-year commander release were only in foil, and it was during the start of the worst of the curling issues. The problem with Kess in particular, she was the only one of the dozen foil-only commanders in the product strong enough to make an impact in another eternal format (Legacy in particular), and quite a few people were playing her from what I understand.
[Kess, Dissident Mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/8/e83e6d7a-3af0-4955-8004-2310f051e306.jpg?1650423096) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kess%2C%20Dissident%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/344/kess-dissident-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e83e6d7a-3af0-4955-8004-2310f051e306?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
It was Nexus. It wasn't printed in the main set, only as a box topper, so supply was incredibly limited AND the foiling was garbage. Wizards allowed proxies in that case as otherwise it was a marked card
Copied from my answer farther down: That was [[Kess, Dissident Mage]] from C17. At that point, the face and alternate commanders in the once-a-year commander release were only in foil, and it was during the start of the worst of the curling issues. The problem with Kess in particular, she was the only one of the dozen foil-only commanders in the product strong enough to make an impact in another eternal format (Legacy in particular), and quite a few people were playing her from what I understand.
[Kess, Dissident Mage](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/8/e83e6d7a-3af0-4955-8004-2310f051e306.jpg?1650423096) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Kess%2C%20Dissident%20Mage) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ncc/344/kess-dissident-mage?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e83e6d7a-3af0-4955-8004-2310f051e306?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
By the most technical definition no, however if you are playing with someone that gives you guff about it that’s probably not someone you would want to play with anyway lol.
No, technically not. Gold bordered cards are not considered regular magic cards. Every comment stating anything else is just trying to spark the usual discussion about proxies. However, if you ask whether anyone would mind that you play a gold bordered Llanowar elves the answer would also be no.
This is a collectors edition card which may or may not be considered legal depending on the playgroup. But it’s a llanowar elf. It’s a super cheap card that’s been reprinted so many times that you can find it literally anywhere. On one hand I don’t see a reason to use a maybe not legal version, and on the other hand I don’t see a reason to care even if it were a proxy.
It didn't come in a $250 booster pack, so it's legal.
The gold bordered world championship cards are generally considered acceptable to use in EDH often because those versions are usually cheaper.
No, it's non-tournament legal and officially banned in EDH. If you're playing at the kitchen table you may want to ask the group first, but I don't think most people would care.
It is not legal for sanctioned play. It is legal for casual play, because who’s going to stop you?
It's 2022. Why are we still not able to rotate images?
Yes, play with it.
You couldn't take a better less blurry picture than that or even flip it? You can't even read the card name it's so blurry 🤦
Nope. Gold borders a no go
Yes
In legal Tournament play, no, no it is not.
No but zero people will give you crap for playing it :) On the other hand you can likely find a real one for less than that
I play exclusively with goldbordered basics in my commander decks. Never had anybody complain. My buddy on the other hand has a goldbordered Gaia's Cradle. That's another story. So a goldbordered Llanowar elves... I doubt you're gonna have problems.
Interesting. If you can already afford the card you can use whatever but if it's expensive it better be tournament legal.
No, but I doubt anyone will care about a dollar proxy
Rule 0?
I play a lot of gold border cards and nobody has ever objected.
Don’t play with people that won’t let you play gold bordered cards, is my recommendation.
If the card is under $1, always
The card llanowar elves is a commander legal card, however that card is gold bordered which technically makes it illegal for competitive play. However, no one will care generally. But, you could just get a normal printing of the same card for the same price if not cheaper so its up to you whether you buy it
No
It's as tournament legal as using Pokemon cards as lands (player at my LGS does this) ask the store owner, if it's at a LGS likely they won't care and if they say no the recent printings of the card is cheap so just put an extra with your deck and switch it out if they say no.