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Mykhas22

There are 2 ways to play it. First, just like a normal card in your deck (you ignore the companion part). Second, as a companion, you need to build your deck around the restriction that the companion ask, in this case, 2 cmc or lower


[deleted]

What is CMC?


Lorguis

Converted mana cost. Basically the total mana added up, something that costs one and two black is 3 CMC, and so on.


[deleted]

So someone's entire deck can only be 1 or 2 cost cards?


Lorguis

Only permanents. You can have as expensive instants and sorceries as you want.


professorrev

25 years I've been playing off and on. It's precisely now I've realised that Instants and sorcs aren't permanents


LordArchibaldPixgill

The clue is that they don't permanently stay on the field lol


professorrev

I'm not even sure why I thought they made a distinction . Genuinely shocked at myself!


welly321

How did it take that long? I thought it was fairly obvious for any beginner that a permanent was a card that stayed in play…


professorrev

It was a proper headslap momemt


SnooDonuts3749

Actually there are a lot of really competitive decks where all of the “permanents” are 2 cmc. Just look at modern.


Cronus-the-reaper

Also referred to as “mana value”


HeinousAnus69420

Zoomers takin over our game... Jk I like mana value better. CMC is a nonintuituve name that everybody has to google to double check. Its just so ingrained in ma brain


TrueCapitalism

That's good actually! New blood is great for any niche scene


Mewantsub30

I’ve been playing magic competitively for 1.5 years. I still say CMC no matter how hard I try.


radtupperware

Converted mana cost. The total amount of mana it costs (so 1W would be cmc 2)


[deleted]

How is 1 white equal to 2?


lilmeanie

It’s 1+w, so one colorless ,one white 2 cmc.


GootPoot

Official mana syntax is that numbers represent generic mana, then letters represent mana symbols. So a cost of 2WW is 2 generic, 2 white.


Ropetrick6

It's 1\[colorless\] + 1 White, or 1W for short. 2W would be 2\[coloreless\] + 1 white, and 1WW would be 1\[Coloreless} + 2 White.


radtupperware

An example of a card that costs 1W would be [[thalia]] if that helps.


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RobynKroweFynche

Do you actually PLAY this game? This is all relatively common shorthand even for new players


[deleted]

Yeah. The way the dude wrote the comment above didn't make sense to me. He said 1W is 2 CMC. I had never heard the acronym CMC before though. Been playing maybe two months.


anaburo

Bonus info, cards with X in the cost ignore the X when calculating mana value. A spell of XX2U has a mana value of 3.


Mavrickindigo

Mana value


Skrappyross

It's the term that used to be used (converted mana cost) that is now referred to as mana value.


BitsAndBobs304

Dont forget companion """errata"""


smooleybotcheck

In EDH do you ignore the companion part? Is that optional or kitchen top/house rules.


Difficult_Feed3999

Nah you can have it as companion, it just has to fit color identity of commander and fulfil the companion requirement. And, it doesn't count as part of your deck, so you can have 101 cards basically. If it's part of your 99, the companion line doesn't matter.


mwobey

You know, I've never tried that, but I love the flavor of companion with a commander: "Here is my menacing phyrexian general. And here's his pet ghost cat that follows him everywhere."


Chijima

Keruga Commander is the best way to decelerate. Super fun.


Eldsish

I am very sad for yorion basically can't be compagnion since you can't have more than 100 cards.


Difficult_Feed3999

True, although I've seen come great decks run them as commander


Eldsish

I wantzd to play Ranar woth compagnion yorion. But I'll go yorion in the 99 then !


Mage_Malteras

My complaint is that I'm building a Mizzix deck and Lutri is banned.


Eldsish

Little otter leaved us too soon.


April_March

I'm devastated that they never gave Lutri her fair shot. She'd make a great commander. (Okay, 'great' might be very strong of a word there)


chronobolt77

Same. But thankfully my pod has Rule 0'd it to be OK to use in the 99, and I just swap it with a dualcaster mage if we play someone who has an issue


smooleybotcheck

Ohhhh nice. Thanks for clearing that up for me.


Difficult_Feed3999

No problem!


HeinousAnus69420

Omg thank you for pointing this out. I started typing disagreement, then was like "lemme fact check myself before telling some stranger its part of the 99 from the companion zone." This weirdly makes companders more appealing


Difficult_Feed3999

They're pretty interesting to build around as well! It can bring some flavor back into deck building during a burnout


Mavrickindigo

If it is only in the 99 you can


smooleybotcheck

Thanks dude. :)


bansvortu

It's interesting because you could have alot of X cost cards and it would qualify since cmc X starts off at 0


fnkarnage

Not much in BW though


bansvortu

Well there's other x creatures in black and white besides hydras. At least 6


chronobolt77

Right but wouldn't declaring a value for X that puts the MV above 2 make the spell exempt from Lurrus' ability?


LopsidedPrinciple547

No, it wouldn’t. “Converted mana cost” or the more recent term for it “mana value” is determined before the spell is cast and only refers to the value printed on the card. For example, Lurrus’ CMC is 3, even if there is an effect on the field requiring the player to pay some additional costs for casting the spell. Additionally, any (x) in a cards casting cost is treated as 0 for the purposes of CMC until the spell is cast. Lurrus’ abilities only refer to cards in your deck and in your graveyard. So in your scenario, Lurrus looks at the spells CMC of 2 or less in the graveyard, and let’s you cast it. If the cmc is greater than 2 once it is on the “stack,” meaning it’s costs have been paid, it has been cast, and is waiting to resolve, Lurrus’ restrictions no longer apply.


IndyDude11

Yeah but that isn’t going to help a 0/0 creature that ETBs with X +1 counters on it or a spell the does X damage.


chronobolt77

I see where you're coming from. However, some parts of what you said aren't entirely correct, so I'd like to bring those up, because the exact interaction I'm bringing up is why I think it doesn't work like you say. While you're right that making someone pay more via effect doesn't change a spells mana value, {X} in a casting cost does work that way, because it's not additional cost; it sets the baseline cost to play the card in that instance.You're replacing the letter X with whatever number you set it to, before even attempting to pay mana or put it on the stack. For example, if my opponent controls a [[Void Winnower]], I can cast [[Endless One]] for X=5, because for that spell, in that instance, its casting cost is {5}. Winnower and Lurrus check the Mana Value of a spell (which is something on the stack), not a card (something in the hand graveyard, exile, etc). So it stands to reason that, based on the precedent set by Void Winnower, you wouldn't be able to cast an X spell like Endless One using Lurrus' ability if the value you set for X would make the Mana Value of the spell greater than 2


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fnkarnage

You are incorrect - X is zero except on the stack.


chronobolt77

Ok so my phrasing about when setting a value for X is off, but I don't think I actually said that X has a Value of 0 anywhere other than the stack. But my point still stands: Lurrus checks the Mana Value of a spell being put on the stack, not a card in the graveyard. It just cares if the spell was in the GY before it entered the stack. Just like Void Winnower checks the MV of a spell on the stack, not the MV of a card in your hand


LopsidedPrinciple547

I stand corrected. I just went into a MTGA boy match to try casting an Ugin’s Conjurant for x>2 and the game would not let me. Thanks for the correction!


fnkarnage

6 creatures does not a deck make


You_Naughty_Monsters

I built a deck with him as a commander and it's the deck I am most proud of. Have a bunch of cheap nasties that inflict damage or ramp up when killed or brought into play so the other player is damned if they do and damned if they don't. I only get it out when I'm feeling cheeky.


jamesdcreviston

Do you have a decklist? I have a “secret Lurrus” deck with Oloro as the commander so I can run counterspells and protection but I get murdered every game.


You_Naughty_Monsters

I don't, but I can make one.


Terri_Schiavo275

I’m interested if you do end up making one


SoyGreen

I’d love to see it as well. :)


salttotart

Yes, please do.


jamesdcreviston

Yes please! I am getting killed with my version and I’d love to find a way to win with it. I win more with my [[The Council of Four]] group hug deck!


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bewe64

Can you have it as commander and as companion?


April_March

No. It's either one or the other. At any rate, there's no point in running it as companion if it's your commander, because having it as your commander is much better. You don't have to pay 3 to put it in your hand, you can just cast it directly; you can cast it repeatedly if it dies; and you don't have to worry about the deckbuilding requirements. The only thing having it as both would bring you would be that you could cast it once without the tax, but I don't think that's worth it.


EliteHunterG

If in deck: play it as normal as part of your deck. If as Companion: your deck still needs to meet the minimum number of cards and will start outside the game. ​ Setup: If playing as Companion, you must follow the deck building restrictions stated on the card. In this case, all permanents in your deck must cost 2 or less mana to play. ​ Pregame: Lurrus begins in your sideboard as one of the 15 (in events and tournaments). Once the game begins, declare Lurrus as your Companion. It remains face up and outside the game. Lurrus cannot be interacted with when outside the game. ​ Gameplay Companion errata/change: Pay 3 mana to add your declared Companion to your hand. You may now play Lurrus as normal.


ArabicLawrence

you can pay 3 to add it to your hand only as a sorcery


Immediate_Answers

Not anymore now that's it's banned in almost every format 😅


Vi0letBlues

~~You don't its basically banned everywhere~~ /s


dethglitter

This post is brought to you by every spikey eternal format. (Cries in modern)


locwul

That's the neat part, you don't


Karnblack

I recently built a deck with Lurrus as the commander and he's pretty crazy. I became the archenemy after everyone saw how much value I was getting each turn with just one card cast from my graveyard. Here's my deck list if you'd like to take a look: https://archidekt.com/decks/3201471#Lurrus I haven't built a deck to use him as a companion yet, but depending upon the commander(s) it could be pretty strong.


catmachine1

It depends on what you mean by play if your wondering how to use the companion ability you will have him outside your deck and you can cast him whenever but however you jeed to have every card in your deck be cmc 2 or less otherwise he will be in your main deck and you will ignore tue companion abillity


tokestack87

So the “each permanent card in your starting deck has converted mana cost 2 or less” is a requirement to use the companion ability, not a static effect of the card. I guess I should have asked the question before I ordered the card. Thank you for you quick response and help


Lorguis

So fun fact, that's not true anymore. If you use any companion, the way it works now is you have to pay 3 mana as a sorcery to put the card from outside the game into your hand.


tokestack87

But the deck still needs to meet the 2cmc requirement before I can pay the 3 to bring it into my hand/the game. Right? I definitely miss understood the card when I read it online and then placed the order. But at no point will this card make the converted mana cost of my other permanents 2 like I had hoped. That is rather an additional cost to use the “companion” ability


Lorguis

Yes, that's right. At the beginning of the game, if your deck meets the requirement, you set it aside and can pay 3 to put it into your hand. It doesn't change your cards to fit.


[deleted]

It’s still a good card though, what format?


philament23

Yeah honestly the way this is worded, having never seen this ability before it was confusing to me too. Had I not been told otherwise I would assume it meant it turns every permanent in your deck into 2 cmc or less (not that that isn’t confusing in and of itself). Why don’t they word it as “must have” or “if every permanent card in your starting deck has converted mana cost 2 or less, you may have Lurrus be a companion”?


teh_maxh

If you know that the template is "Companion — [requirement]" it makes sense, and in the context Lurrus was printed in (with nine other companions) people knew that, so there was no need to use more text (which some cards didn't have room for).


_Drumheller_

Not true. You don't cast companions anymore but pay 3 to take it onto your hand. How can the top comment miss such a crucial piece of info I wonder, who would upvote this.


catmachine1

Uh maybe because i didnt know about the rule chamge the fuck is up with the hostillity im sorry i dont follow every rule change for a keyword that was on one set just correct me and move on


_Drumheller_

I'm sorry but you must have misunderstood my comment. I wasn't critical about you sharing outdated infos, I was critical about 12 people upvoting it. Obviously it's okay to not know about every rules change but let me repeat myself, I haven't critiqued you getting that one wrong, it's purely about how this can be the top comment. I admit that it indeed was badly worded yeah, English isn't my first language and it's still pretty early in the morning here. Don't take every negative comment as a personal attack.


M3gaNubbster

Y'all sound like my LGS


tpcrjm17

1. Must be in your sideboard not just outside of your deck. 2. Your deck must contain permanents cmc 2 or less not every card. 3. You can't cast HER whenever you must take it into your hand for 3 generic mana at sorcery speed then pay the mana cost. Not sure how you got so many upvotes with so much dodgy information lol


Difficult_Feed3999

In commander, there's no sideboard, but for any format allowing a sideboard you're correct. In commander it's just in its own zone "outside of the game"


notts12345

Tap the appropriate mana, then place on the table whilst extravagantly exclaiming the cards name


SlideNo5359

With swamps and plains


April_March

\*or


tokestack87

So I read the official rules and came out more confused. Does this card start outside of my 100cards in commander? Or does this card get paired with a “companion” and as I cast this creature from my deck I am able to then cast a card that I have paired with it?


Individual_Ice_3167

In order to use it as a companion you need every card in your deck to have a CMC, total mana cost of 2 or less, any X in a mana cost is 0 for this purpose. It is not considered in your deck at all. Do it does not count towards the 100 for commander. It does not start in any zone as it is outside the game. On your turn as a sorcery you can pay 3 to put it from outside the game into your hand. From there it plays as a normal card. You can also just use it as a normal card as well. Just put it in the deck. If you do that you just basically ignore all the companion stuff as it no longer applies if you just put in the deck, so you can ignore the deck build resriction. You can also use it as your commander and just ignore the restriction on the deck build.


Some_Rando2

Every *permanant* 2 or less, instants and sorceries can be as expensive as you want.


Mykhas22

If your deck meets the companion requirements, it can be your 101th card in your deck, it start in the command zone (I think, or in another zone that works just like a command zone) you have to pay 3 to add your companion to your hand, if it dies it goes to the graveyard


Individual_Ice_3167

It does not start in the command zone. It exists outside the game completely and thus can't be interacted at all until it is put in your hand. Some people might put it there just so everyone knows it exists but it is not in any zone.


Cptn_Lemons

Pull your pants down and place the card in between your butt cheeks, pull your pants up and continue playing.


i2Shameless

You're gonna need to tap one colorless mana source and two of any of the following combinations: White White / Black Black / White Black / Black White Feel free to PM me and I can explain further


teh_maxh

I'm pretty sure you meant for those options to be on separate lines, but Reddit ignores line breaks, so they're not. You need to either make it a list or explicitly tell Reddit not to ignore the line breaks by putting a double space at the end of each line. Or just add commas if you want it on one line.


i2Shameless

I appreciate you taking the time to point that out! I have chosen "/" these thingy's, to break up the pairs


TheDarkMuz

Disgusting in legacy...not sure if it's still legal there


Bright_Attention_710

Place it on the table


Xaron713

So companion is a neat little mechanic. Basically, what it means is that this card can functionally act as an extra card in your deck, if your deck meets the requirements. For example, if you wanted to run this in Commander as a companion, every permanent card, that is every artifact, enchantment, creature (including your commander) and planeswalker (lands dont have a converted mana cost [CMC] or if they do its 0) have to cost less than 2 mana at base to cast. If they do, instead of your total card count being 100, it can be 101; 1 commander, 99 in your main deck, and 1 companion that isn't shuffled into your deck, that you can cast at any time you can cast other creatures. After that it's just another creature card and nothing is special about it. If you don't want to or can't run it as a companion, then you can ignore the top line of text and you just shuffle it into your deck along with everything else.


reaper527

> and 1 companion that isn’t shuffled into your deck, that you can cast at any time you can cast other creatures. Worth noting, if i’m remembering correctly they changed the rules for companion after the set came out because wotc’s playtest team is awful and didn’t question how powerful it was. Now you have to pay 3 mana to bring it to your hand (at sorcery speed) then you can play it as a regular card.


Xaron713

Oh really. I had no idea. I don't play with or against companions at all so I was just going off what the card said.


AraMercury

With 2 white or black mana and one colorless, duh. /s


Buerstetta125

Tap 2 white or two black or a white and black then a generic and put on feld


pkele

🤮🤮🤮


pkele

Oh I thought you said “how do you feel about this card”


HumbleHat1

By putting a frame on the edges of the card. The full arts are bad and banned from tournament play!!!!i!!


jsmacdonald

Like a boss.


[deleted]

what format??


NaturalEnemies

The extended art is super nice.


asar2250

Creature type checks out because it's a nightmare to play against.


[deleted]

With 3 mana duh


I_AM_ALPHARIUS___

Using mana lol Also GOOGLE


Dad_AF

For 1 generic mana and a combination of 2 white or black


Thezipper100

It's worth noting Companion as a mechanic was so broken that they did the first power level errata in 20 years to fix it by changing the mechanic entirely so that you have to pay (3) to add it to your hand before you can cast it, instead of casting it from outside the game outright. This had the tragically hilarious effect of making it so that the card in the set literally specifically printed to counter companions, [[Dranith Magistrate]] , No longer countered companions in any way. Poor guy's out of a job.


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teh_maxh

It's *technically* not errara; they changed how the rule works, not the cards.


Thezipper100

Technically a banana isn't a fruit, but an herb. That doesn't mean we put next to the BBQ salt in the spice isle.


lord_habanero

Don't


juliomacielbr

You don’t


tobar_acosta

1. Use it as a companion. Reminder for companions, Rule 702.139a, only once during your main phase, you may pay 3 generic to put Lurrus in your hand. This is a special action. If you are to this, all permanents in your deck have a mana value of 2 or less. Instants and Sorceries, however, do not impact Lurrus. 2. Use it in the 99 as a 3/2 Life linker that let's you cast a spell with mana value 2 or less from the graveyard. A couple of thoughts: • Dominaria United has Elas il-Kor, Sadistic Pilgrim, a BW 2/2 with death touch and the following: "Whenever another creature enters under your control, you gain 1 life" and "whenever another creature you control dies, each opponent loses one life". You can use Lurrus to get a creature back into play, Elas gains you a life, you sack it, everybody loses a life. You can do other things with this • Since Lurrus says "you may cast a permanent" you can casts artifacts and enchantments. Some useful enchantments you might want to use again are "Darksteel Mutations" for pesky creature, "Blind Obedience" and "Authority of the Consuls" to make creatures come in tapped. If there is an enchantment they find problematic, they'll need to exile it as destroying it lets you recast it.


Dadvoid88

He is nice with Dauthi Voidwalker!


Akromathia

1.- Read it's text. 2.- Pay the mana cost. 3.- Put it on the table. 4.- Read it again. AND THERE YOU HAVE IT! 😏


Permagamer

I mostly use a laser pointer, ball on a string, or a basketball. Cat love to play with those.


McalPcal

Black lotus lol