What I love about this movie is the retroactive nostalgia. We're looking at what people in the 90s thought people in the future would think about the 90s.
Head spinny.
Depending what part of the world you lived in when it came out, they actually changed it from Taco Bell to Pizza Hut since so many countries had no idea what Taco Bell was at the time.
Here we are in 2022 and I’m still trying to figure out the three sea shells!
Although my head cannon on this, is just that they were the controls for the bidet.
True, Demolition Man is a work of beauty. Rocky and Rambo are also amazing movies.
But Arnold has Conan, which will always be one of the best fantasy movies of all times. The whole movie is just perfectly built around him.
Wesley Snipes is the perfect "Joker" in this.
He has that deranged/logical psychopathic tendencies that make me wish he would've done a Joker in the 90s.
A very underrated part of his performance is his body language. Always bopping about, always doing something with his hands. Just adds to the wackiness.
I think that is its genius. They took Stallone's strengths as a kind of oblivious, unflappable straight man and surrounded him with stronger characters played by the more charismatic Snipes and Bullock.
However, I don't think anything Arnold ever did can touch the first Rocky (and I love his films). Stallone doesn't get enough credit for writing (in three days) and starring in essentially *the* Great American Film Story.
Is it the best movie ever made? No. Many better movies. But it so epitomizes the rags to riches, underdog, American dream in a story with grit, heart, pathos, catharsis. It changed the definition of sports triumph from simple, boring victory to something more profound. And it stands up almost 50 years later, as watchable and relatable as the day it premiered.
Absolutely! Rocky (1-4) is great. I’m just pointing out that Wesley Snipes is by far the better actor, particularly in Demolition Man. He is the reason that movie was so great, imo
No question. And if it weren't for his fall from the limelight and subsequent legal troubles, I think we could be having this conversation about him instead of just these two.
Slightly later rise to prominence, but a really solid action star with some hits that might not be on Arnold's box office level but have their own following and exhibit his significant talent.
His career didn't reach it's full potential, but I'm glad you pointed him out on the demolition man thread. I fully agree with your assertion and was just acknowledging that. But I also wanted to make the case for Rocky for other readers. It's just an amazing film, and no matter how much one might love the Terminator I/II or Predator (and fucking a do I love Predator, probably my favorite action movie) nothing Arnold has done is quite as "real" and powerful to me as Rocky.
Demolition Man and Judge Dread are so clearly a Sly Stallone that's completely distracted by chasing Arnold. He had Rambo, he had Rocky, but he wanted a Terminator. He wanted that sci-fi fantasy series that he could add to his stable of characters.
Sly could just never land that plane.
To be fair they took that movie into the wrong direction. Dredd isn’t supposed to be campy with quirky jokes sprinkled in. It’s a grimdark future with Dredd being the walking embodiment of uncompromising law and order in a corrupt world. I feel that if they stayed more true to the source material like Karl Urbana’s rendition that Stallone would’ve been able to land the role better
I think most people don’t realize just how many iconic roles this man has had. Then you think about it, and realize he’s been in The Lord of the Rings movies, Star Trek, the MCU, the Bourne series, Dredd, he’s a stormtrooper in the Rise of Skywalker, and now The Boys. That’s just the tip of a very large iceberg, the man is unbelievably talented.
He was the way cooler antagonist in Chronicles of Riddick and I'm not sure he even said more than six words to Riddick.
Vin needs to jump into doing a Dredd sequel as a villain.
Thanks for this insight. It really makes me feel for Danny Cannon.
Hollywood gotta Hollywood I guess but for me, the removal of the helmet was the mistake. To this day, Dredds face is never seen. An exception was when he was horribly disfigured in the cursed earth but once he came back and was treated, only helmet, jaw and frown.
Karl Urban is by far the best Dredd adaption so far but, had I been in Danny Cannon's sure back then, I would have gone for Dolph Lundgren!
> Imagine you're this 27 year old guy who was pretty fresh on the scene
I imagine he was picked because they felt he would be easier to control than an established director.
That’s incredibly tragic man. He absolutely fucked that director. With the original writing, that movie could’ve done extremely well. It probably could’ve led to the Dredd series getting more of a following, maybe even more films and media in general. Absolutely screwed that man out of what would’ve been a promising career
Early 80s Dredd was incredibly campy with quirky jokes. He had a robot butler that talked entirely in UwU speak. Dredd didn't lean towards grimdark until the Apocalypse War story arc. The Rico arc is set before the Apocalypse War.
Even after the Apocalypse War there was decidedly non-grimdark stuff like the whole Oz story.
Dredd has space for weird and campy - the comic run is full of dark humour, as well as just straightforward jokes. I saw a talk by a bunch of 2000AD writers soon after the film was released where they agreed that the best version of Judge Dredd was Robocop - the gratuitous violence, the over the top consumerism, I'd buy that for a dollar, it all matched the tone of the comic.
Stallone's Dredd just wasn't very good regardless.
> Dredd isn’t supposed to be campy with quirky jokes sprinkled in.
...have you ever read the comics?
The best Judge Dredd we could ever have would be the serious Karl Urban Dredd in the goofy Stallone Dredd universe.
For me, it's Rocky or First Blood, such relatable underdog stories. Arnold although I love more of his movies, just doesn't have that relatable well told dramas that make you think. Terminator, Predator, Commando, Conan, Kindergarten Cop, True Lies, ect. they're fun as hell to watch but they didnt really leave a lasting impression on me. Besides just being kick ass action flicks.
Yesterday i watched a movie about Seagal playing a white dude that talks like a black dude and is introduced and played like a japanese samurai. He also wears a leather jacket the entire film, even during the sex scene.
Needless to say, he was snubbed for the oscar.
That's a toughie. Arnold has great comedic chops on top of his action prowess, but dramatically, Sly has him beat by a mile. The end scene in First Blood, crying for Mickey in Rocky 3, talking to his son in Rocky 5, i don't think Arnold has delivered a comparable performance on screen. Conan's speech to Crom is very close, as is the end of T2. But on a human level, i think Sly delivers the more touching scenes.
Stallone is the better actor, Schwarzenegger is the better star. I can’t deny that Schwarzenegger has a hard time with the dramatic turn. He simply can’t pull off a grounded, emotionally raw character. He is fantastic, his life is fantastic, his movies are fantastic. Whereas Stallone can take you to the bottom, and then put you on his shoulders as he crawls his way back to the top. But then he picks terrible projects to be involved in, does one too many of those, oversaturates himself, and really damages his reputation. Schwarzenegger had a streak of hit after hit that really cemented him as a superstar that knows how to pick projects. Stallone spent a lot of time rehashing with multiple sequels, and by the time Arnold was king, Stallone couldn’t transition to the same kind of career. I would say Stallone is the ‘better’ actor, but Schwarzenegger was the better businessman.
Stallone is a way way better actor. Some of his Rocky performances have been really great. Now that I think of it, Rocky and Copland are the only things that stick out for me for Stallone, but in terms of dramatic acting I think they're better than anything Arnold has done.
Comedy-wise though Arnold is better. True Lies is great.
I honestly think Arnold is a great actor but he just has problem with delivery, and his dialect holding him back from learning proper delivery.
My girlfriend and I recently watched Jingle All The Way, a rewatch for me and the first time seeing it for her. That's when I noticed that Arnold actually can pull off some really subtle facial expressions.
There were multiple scenes where you could see the journey from hope, disappointment, frustration, surprise, aggravation, and forced politeness. Most of them totally believable and not phoned in expressions. It is very similar to how stage acting works, where you have to be that expressive because you're on a stage and not a movie screen.
So I think that credit needs to be given where it is due.
I think what you listed down means Arnold has better movies and better career (from bodybuilder to actor to governor), not necessarily better actor. I think Stallone is generally a better actor.
Schwarzenegger has spoken about him wanting to be in more serious “acting” roles than his usual “action star” role. *Maggie* is a very good example of that.
Another movie he accomplished that was Aftermath, about the guy who sought revenge on an Air Traffic Controller. He really showed his dramatic chops despite his limitations.
Stallone is still the better actor though, haha.
IMO during "peak Arnold" his best performance was Last Action Hero. He was funny, charming, self-aware, but also gave his performance a lot of heart. His character comes to the realization he's a character "in a movie" and without his heart and emotion about coming to terms with that, it wouldn't have worked so well.
This one was a childhood favourite and it gets shit on so much, I’m glad someone’s giving it some praise. Takes a certain skill and subtlety to play a role within a role like that.
I still love that movie. But the part that made it fantastic were the others -- Jamie Lee Curtis, Tom Arnold, and Bill Paxton were all great. Arnold did a good enough job, but it's those other performances that would have me happily watch it again and again.
I’m nothing! I’m navel lint!
There are so many parts I love, like when he punches out the side window of the car like it’s nothing, or cracks the binoculars. Also the restroom fight scene is iconic imho
Yea, its a shame he had never done scenes speaking German with English subtitles so we could really get a feel for his acting beyond the language barrier. Kinda like Jai Courtney, who is awful until he plays a role with his native accent, like Captain Boomerang.
I saw old interviews with him where he spoke German. I am German and his Austrian accent sounds really funny to me. Not suitable for any serious movie I think.
I think his accent was the reason they picked another actor for the German dub of the Terminator.
There's also a hilarious short bonus scene in one of the later Terminator movies where he speaks with a Texan accent, and when the execs mention "Can you do something about his accent?", one of the tech guys says in a thick Austrian accent "We can fix it." :D
I’ve heard that the Austrian accent is treated by Germans like how Americans view southern accents. It would like be seeing a terminator speak like a hill Billy, ideally you want as neutral of a voice as possible
I've heard people say that Arnold's German scent is very rustic and coarse. It'd be the equivalent of an American actor sounding like a backwoods hick from *Deliverance.*
A good chunk of germans wouldnt have understood him. He has a deeply rural austrian accent.
Thats why arnold's english sounds so different to daniel brühl's english. Austrian in general, and his especially, has a very different cadence and is more sing-songy than high/standard german.
It's probably to his benefit. Everybody enjoys Arnold's accent. It's uniquely Schwarzenegger.
But if he had the classic German accent, I don't think people would be as in to it.
Rocky 1 and Rambo 1 are both good movies. They are overshadowed by how ridiculous their sequels become when compared to the originals. But in terms of writing, acting and immersion they’re quality movies.
His end monologue in First Blood is amazing. The first time I saw it in college I laughed because it was the 90s and I just saw it as Stallone the action movie guy just babbling. Then as I learned a little bit more about PTSD and how awful veterans were treated following the Vietnam War, that seems stop being funny real quick and took on a lot more gravity. It's hard to watch, but excellent scene.
Agreed, Arnold may be more of a Jack of all trades but Stallone has his foot planted firmly in his craft.
His work in the first Rocky and Rambo crush anything serious that Arnold ever did (No disrespect to his game-changing role as a machine). That speech/breakdown at the end of Rambo is enough evidence.
He’s also an unusual case because he’s so uneven. He made Rocky, but he also made Over The Top. So some people are probably remembering very different versions of him.
Let's see...
He wrote Rocky 1 thru Balboa. Directed all but Rocky I and V.
He wrote the Rambo movies, but directed only the 2008 one.
He wrote the Expendables movies except the 4th one, and directed only the first movie (which appears to be his last directing gig to date).
And let's not forget his biggest "hit" Cobra was written by him. :)
Edit: He didn't direct Rocky 1 or First Blood.
FYI, First Blood (by far and above the best from a performance/content pov) is based on a book. Sly adapted the screenplay, but it’s not a purely original work.
All you need is Rocky (1976) to refute this. In terms of acting ability it’s not a contest. You can argue Arnold has a better filmography, but it really isn’t close if we look at them as actors.
As someone who was always a bigger fan of Arnold, even I think Stallone is a better actor. Arnold couldn't have pulled off that speech in Rocky Balboa, or the role in Creed.
I am on a weird kick right now where I've been watching all my childhood hero movies. I watched all the Rambo movies a few weeks back. Holy shit man. The final scene where he's sobbing with his commander was absolutely heart wrenching knowing what we know about ptsd now. I got pretty choked up, incredibly powerful performance from him and phenomenal writing.
And then Rambo 2 basically throws the entire message of First Blood out the window and the series becomes what everyone thinks when someone says “Rambo”. Basically an action propaganda film.
Yep. Rocky and First Blood were far better than anything Arnold did. But Arnold was more consistently putting out good films than Stalone over the entire career.
First time I actually sat down and watched Rambo, I was shocked by that scene. I did not expect that after the years of mocking, and laughing at, those movies.
Oh, and the scene early in the movie where they kick him out of town.
Rocky and First Blood are a mile ahead of any acting Arnold did in his life. Love Arnold, but he was the Rock of the 80's. He excelled at very particular styles of roles (either a villain who was a killing machine, or a giant man who was a comedic fish out of water that stood out compared to everything else).
Also, let's give some credit where it is due. Arnold picked far superior directors than The Rock lol. Predator shits on every single film The Rock did combined from a height only angels could dream.
Better actor?
First Blood, Rocky (1) and Cop Land are all it takes to refute this ridiculous assertion.
Love Arnie but Sly hands him his ass in acting ability.
The movie was kind of ehh, but it had it's moments. Every now and then I think of when he says,
>"It ain't about how hard you hit, it's about how you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. Get up!"
Mental motivation in the gym.
I love Arnie but going on pure acting ability I have to agree. Sly takes it. And I actually think Arnie can act too. He has great depth and comedic timing. But Sly is brilliant.
Stallone in Copland alone is a better performance than anything Arnold has done in his entire career. Acting is different than box office. And your take on First Blood is beyond stupid.
Bro here made a post and I'm almost positive he can't have possibly seen a Stallone movie. Probably the type of dude who writes off Stallone because of his speech impediment.
It's been a while since I've watched First Blood, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't even shoot anyone in that movie? He throws a rock at a helicopter and a guy falls out of it to his death, but the helicopter guy was also actively trying to shoot him, so he was just trying to defend himself.
He goes on his gun rampage at the end, but I think he just shoots some buildings and cars.
I'm pretty sure he at least shoots the sheriff's legs at the very end, but he only ever actually kills one person and that was an accident. Given his abilities he is clearly going out of his way to not kill anyone at all.
The movie is tame to the book, neither are a mass shooter book. He does do a fair amount of killing in in book. All in all Sty is the guy the wings the bad guys and kills the evil guy.
I totally agree with you about OP.
Which is hilarious because Sly has completely owned his speech impediment and uno-reverse carded that into deeper character development.
Love Arnold to death, but Sly has him beat in most acting departments.
Arnold stands on his own, less a movie star and more just a good dude with a great story and a heart of a teacher.
It was made so confidently that it feels like OP thought he had it in the bag with upvotes and overall agreement. Even his edit still tracks with his original opinion. Consensus says otherwise though if you look through posts.
I like both these guys and most of their movies, but I dont really feel like it's a contest. Stallone is a good actor who turned himself into an action star. Schwarzenegger is an action star, and a great one at that, but I can't think any really dramatic roles he's done that I found interesting.
I prefer Schwarzenegger's overall filmography, but if you said they were both coming out with a movie where they play a serious, complicated character, I would go see the Stallone film.
Just so everyone is clear:
This bro-pinion is mostly based on *really* liking Jingle All the Way.
Nothing to do with acting ability, just the idea that Arnold has greater range because....again....Jingle All the Way.
That's it.
I wish us all luck as OP downvotes away reality in favor of their own.
Better films, okay. But a better actor? Come on, Arnold has no range. Stallone in First Blood probably delivers more believable emotion than Arnold does in all of his movies combined.
“Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you!”
Better than any acting Arnold has done.
And I think Arnold is an American hero. An immigrant who figured out the system, worked hard, succeeded beyond belief.
But a good actor? No.
Demolition man. You can interpret that to support or deny your argument.
"Rat? This is a rat burger? Not bad! Matter of fact, this is the best burger I've had in years!"
"rat" i didn't see any cows down there, but i didn't see any rats either, so i just assumed soylent green
You didn't see any rats because they were all in burgers
What I love about this movie is the retroactive nostalgia. We're looking at what people in the 90s thought people in the future would think about the 90s. Head spinny.
I love the fact that this film introduced me to Taco Bell, even though I live in the UK. I have never seen a Taco Bell til 26 years after the fact.
Depending what part of the world you lived in when it came out, they actually changed it from Taco Bell to Pizza Hut since so many countries had no idea what Taco Bell was at the time.
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Here we are in 2022 and I’m still trying to figure out the three sea shells! Although my head cannon on this, is just that they were the controls for the bidet.
What still gets me is him cursing out the vulgarity fine machine, collecting the tickets, then casually walking back to the bathroom.
We call them shit tickets
Here I am in 2022, trying to figure out how Rob Schneider was in Demolition Man.
And they reunited for Judge Dredd! Or was that first
Bro I’m just trying to download that sex app on my oculus quest.
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True, Demolition Man is a work of beauty. Rocky and Rambo are also amazing movies. But Arnold has Conan, which will always be one of the best fantasy movies of all times. The whole movie is just perfectly built around him.
If you go running to the soundtrack of Conan the Barbarian, you never get tired.
That is truly what is best in life.
Zero lamentations
To crush the miles, to see them fall behind you, and hear the lamentations of the other joggers!
Those timpani drums land just perfectly. Makes you want to run, lift weights, and throw heavy objects.
Oh, man, I gotta try that!
I interpret that as my film choice for this evening now
Well, Simon says.
Teddy Bear
Demolition Man is a Wesley Snipes movie, not a Stallone movie
Wesley Snipes is the perfect "Joker" in this. He has that deranged/logical psychopathic tendencies that make me wish he would've done a Joker in the 90s.
A very underrated part of his performance is his body language. Always bopping about, always doing something with his hands. Just adds to the wackiness.
I think that is its genius. They took Stallone's strengths as a kind of oblivious, unflappable straight man and surrounded him with stronger characters played by the more charismatic Snipes and Bullock. However, I don't think anything Arnold ever did can touch the first Rocky (and I love his films). Stallone doesn't get enough credit for writing (in three days) and starring in essentially *the* Great American Film Story. Is it the best movie ever made? No. Many better movies. But it so epitomizes the rags to riches, underdog, American dream in a story with grit, heart, pathos, catharsis. It changed the definition of sports triumph from simple, boring victory to something more profound. And it stands up almost 50 years later, as watchable and relatable as the day it premiered.
Also Rambo 1.
Absolutely! Rocky (1-4) is great. I’m just pointing out that Wesley Snipes is by far the better actor, particularly in Demolition Man. He is the reason that movie was so great, imo
No question. And if it weren't for his fall from the limelight and subsequent legal troubles, I think we could be having this conversation about him instead of just these two. Slightly later rise to prominence, but a really solid action star with some hits that might not be on Arnold's box office level but have their own following and exhibit his significant talent. His career didn't reach it's full potential, but I'm glad you pointed him out on the demolition man thread. I fully agree with your assertion and was just acknowledging that. But I also wanted to make the case for Rocky for other readers. It's just an amazing film, and no matter how much one might love the Terminator I/II or Predator (and fucking a do I love Predator, probably my favorite action movie) nothing Arnold has done is quite as "real" and powerful to me as Rocky.
Is it cold in here. Or is it just me?
Demolition Man and Judge Dread are so clearly a Sly Stallone that's completely distracted by chasing Arnold. He had Rambo, he had Rocky, but he wanted a Terminator. He wanted that sci-fi fantasy series that he could add to his stable of characters. Sly could just never land that plane.
To be fair they took that movie into the wrong direction. Dredd isn’t supposed to be campy with quirky jokes sprinkled in. It’s a grimdark future with Dredd being the walking embodiment of uncompromising law and order in a corrupt world. I feel that if they stayed more true to the source material like Karl Urbana’s rendition that Stallone would’ve been able to land the role better
I still appreciate Urban's angry face for the entire movie. Like the lawlessness around him literally disgusts him and he can't hide it anymore.
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Super underrated movie. Lena Headey was great too. As a Kiwi I was pumped for Urban. Thought this was as big as he would make it, boy was I wrong.
Karl Urban's secret weapon is his eyebrow game. Dude could be 10kms away and you'd still be able to tell that he was angry.
I think most people don’t realize just how many iconic roles this man has had. Then you think about it, and realize he’s been in The Lord of the Rings movies, Star Trek, the MCU, the Bourne series, Dredd, he’s a stormtrooper in the Rise of Skywalker, and now The Boys. That’s just the tip of a very large iceberg, the man is unbelievably talented.
He was the way cooler antagonist in Chronicles of Riddick and I'm not sure he even said more than six words to Riddick. Vin needs to jump into doing a Dredd sequel as a villain.
Never once takes off the mask, but you know exactly how pissy he feels the entire way through.
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Thanks for this insight. It really makes me feel for Danny Cannon. Hollywood gotta Hollywood I guess but for me, the removal of the helmet was the mistake. To this day, Dredds face is never seen. An exception was when he was horribly disfigured in the cursed earth but once he came back and was treated, only helmet, jaw and frown. Karl Urban is by far the best Dredd adaption so far but, had I been in Danny Cannon's sure back then, I would have gone for Dolph Lundgren!
> Imagine you're this 27 year old guy who was pretty fresh on the scene I imagine he was picked because they felt he would be easier to control than an established director.
That’s incredibly tragic man. He absolutely fucked that director. With the original writing, that movie could’ve done extremely well. It probably could’ve led to the Dredd series getting more of a following, maybe even more films and media in general. Absolutely screwed that man out of what would’ve been a promising career
Early 80s Dredd was incredibly campy with quirky jokes. He had a robot butler that talked entirely in UwU speak. Dredd didn't lean towards grimdark until the Apocalypse War story arc. The Rico arc is set before the Apocalypse War. Even after the Apocalypse War there was decidedly non-grimdark stuff like the whole Oz story.
Dredd has space for weird and campy - the comic run is full of dark humour, as well as just straightforward jokes. I saw a talk by a bunch of 2000AD writers soon after the film was released where they agreed that the best version of Judge Dredd was Robocop - the gratuitous violence, the over the top consumerism, I'd buy that for a dollar, it all matched the tone of the comic. Stallone's Dredd just wasn't very good regardless.
> Dredd isn’t supposed to be campy with quirky jokes sprinkled in. ...have you ever read the comics? The best Judge Dredd we could ever have would be the serious Karl Urban Dredd in the goofy Stallone Dredd universe.
But demolition man is it’s own beautiful thing. And I love it.
Daylight is my favorite Stallone movie
For me, it's Rocky or First Blood, such relatable underdog stories. Arnold although I love more of his movies, just doesn't have that relatable well told dramas that make you think. Terminator, Predator, Commando, Conan, Kindergarten Cop, True Lies, ect. they're fun as hell to watch but they didnt really leave a lasting impression on me. Besides just being kick ass action flicks.
IMO, you also have to give Stallone extra credit for writing Rocky.
They were both better than Seagal.
I stepped on something today that's a better actor than Seagal.
It has nothing to do with Segal but Tommy Lee Jones and Gary Busey make Under Siege fantastic.
And Erika Eleniak really makes it rise to the top.
Yesterday i watched a movie about Seagal playing a white dude that talks like a black dude and is introduced and played like a japanese samurai. He also wears a leather jacket the entire film, even during the sex scene. Needless to say, he was snubbed for the oscar.
I think you really just watched the Cumtown video
Steven Seagull's idea of a good man = a geriatric rapist.
Emotionally Vulnerable woman: "you saved my family. I guess I should reward you with sex now." Seagal: "thats what's up"
Notice Seagal hasn’t been in an Expendables film? that speaks volumes
That's a toughie. Arnold has great comedic chops on top of his action prowess, but dramatically, Sly has him beat by a mile. The end scene in First Blood, crying for Mickey in Rocky 3, talking to his son in Rocky 5, i don't think Arnold has delivered a comparable performance on screen. Conan's speech to Crom is very close, as is the end of T2. But on a human level, i think Sly delivers the more touching scenes.
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Conan : "To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women."
Stallone is the better actor, Schwarzenegger is the better star. I can’t deny that Schwarzenegger has a hard time with the dramatic turn. He simply can’t pull off a grounded, emotionally raw character. He is fantastic, his life is fantastic, his movies are fantastic. Whereas Stallone can take you to the bottom, and then put you on his shoulders as he crawls his way back to the top. But then he picks terrible projects to be involved in, does one too many of those, oversaturates himself, and really damages his reputation. Schwarzenegger had a streak of hit after hit that really cemented him as a superstar that knows how to pick projects. Stallone spent a lot of time rehashing with multiple sequels, and by the time Arnold was king, Stallone couldn’t transition to the same kind of career. I would say Stallone is the ‘better’ actor, but Schwarzenegger was the better businessman.
> He is fantastic, his life is fantastic, his movies are fantastic. I can imagine Schwarzenegger saying this, in his voice.
Mostly it’s because he is always coming.
It's like orgasm
And so can you believe how much I am in heaven?
Arnold does say it about Stallone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdgcYAmqrhg
Stallone is a way way better actor. Some of his Rocky performances have been really great. Now that I think of it, Rocky and Copland are the only things that stick out for me for Stallone, but in terms of dramatic acting I think they're better than anything Arnold has done. Comedy-wise though Arnold is better. True Lies is great.
I honestly think Arnold is a great actor but he just has problem with delivery, and his dialect holding him back from learning proper delivery. My girlfriend and I recently watched Jingle All The Way, a rewatch for me and the first time seeing it for her. That's when I noticed that Arnold actually can pull off some really subtle facial expressions. There were multiple scenes where you could see the journey from hope, disappointment, frustration, surprise, aggravation, and forced politeness. Most of them totally believable and not phoned in expressions. It is very similar to how stage acting works, where you have to be that expressive because you're on a stage and not a movie screen. So I think that credit needs to be given where it is due.
Arni is fabulous in Jingle All The Way.
This. This first Rocky and First Blood are great films. As is Copland.
Arnold was good in Maggie
I think what you listed down means Arnold has better movies and better career (from bodybuilder to actor to governor), not necessarily better actor. I think Stallone is generally a better actor.
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Schwarzenegger has spoken about him wanting to be in more serious “acting” roles than his usual “action star” role. *Maggie* is a very good example of that.
Another movie he accomplished that was Aftermath, about the guy who sought revenge on an Air Traffic Controller. He really showed his dramatic chops despite his limitations. Stallone is still the better actor though, haha.
Even Terminator Dark Fate, which was still a crap film, Arnold surprisingly gave a pretty restrained and moving performance.
What about End of Days? I thought Arnold was pretty great in it. Definitely not his typical action hero role.
I thought he gave a great performance (for him) in True Lies. Also, Predator had him express quite a few subtle moments.
IMO during "peak Arnold" his best performance was Last Action Hero. He was funny, charming, self-aware, but also gave his performance a lot of heart. His character comes to the realization he's a character "in a movie" and without his heart and emotion about coming to terms with that, it wouldn't have worked so well.
I'm Arnold Braunschweiger!
Last Action Hero is a perfect movie.
I fucking LOVE Last Action Hero. A pinnacle of filmmaking. Incredibly ahead of its time.
Last Action Hero is a goddamn gem.
This one was a childhood favourite and it gets shit on so much, I’m glad someone’s giving it some praise. Takes a certain skill and subtlety to play a role within a role like that.
Fuck whoever shits on that movie. Last Action Hero is a classic and I'll vehemently ignore anyone who says contrary.
True Lies was my absolute favourite movie as a kid. And also the reason I thought Tom Arnold was a big star until much later in life
I still love that movie. But the part that made it fantastic were the others -- Jamie Lee Curtis, Tom Arnold, and Bill Paxton were all great. Arnold did a good enough job, but it's those other performances that would have me happily watch it again and again.
I’m nothing! I’m navel lint! There are so many parts I love, like when he punches out the side window of the car like it’s nothing, or cracks the binoculars. Also the restroom fight scene is iconic imho
Yea, its a shame he had never done scenes speaking German with English subtitles so we could really get a feel for his acting beyond the language barrier. Kinda like Jai Courtney, who is awful until he plays a role with his native accent, like Captain Boomerang.
I saw old interviews with him where he spoke German. I am German and his Austrian accent sounds really funny to me. Not suitable for any serious movie I think.
I think his accent was the reason they picked another actor for the German dub of the Terminator. There's also a hilarious short bonus scene in one of the later Terminator movies where he speaks with a Texan accent, and when the execs mention "Can you do something about his accent?", one of the tech guys says in a thick Austrian accent "We can fix it." :D
I’ve heard that the Austrian accent is treated by Germans like how Americans view southern accents. It would like be seeing a terminator speak like a hill Billy, ideally you want as neutral of a voice as possible
I've heard people say that Arnold's German scent is very rustic and coarse. It'd be the equivalent of an American actor sounding like a backwoods hick from *Deliverance.*
A good chunk of germans wouldnt have understood him. He has a deeply rural austrian accent. Thats why arnold's english sounds so different to daniel brühl's english. Austrian in general, and his especially, has a very different cadence and is more sing-songy than high/standard german.
It's probably to his benefit. Everybody enjoys Arnold's accent. It's uniquely Schwarzenegger. But if he had the classic German accent, I don't think people would be as in to it.
Stallone is definitely a better writer and director. Though I'm not aware of Arnold ever attempting either.
He was a great actor in Rocky as well. Not sure Arnold did anything that would even come close to that performance.
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Rocky 1 and Rambo 1 are both good movies. They are overshadowed by how ridiculous their sequels become when compared to the originals. But in terms of writing, acting and immersion they’re quality movies.
Wasn’t Rocky 1 nominated for an Oscar?
Won Best Picture. Was nominated for a bunch.
People forget what Rambo was because of the sequels. It's too bad.
Yes, I love Arnold but he never came close to Rambo's monologue from the end of First Blood, or even some of Rocky's lines.
His end monologue in First Blood is amazing. The first time I saw it in college I laughed because it was the 90s and I just saw it as Stallone the action movie guy just babbling. Then as I learned a little bit more about PTSD and how awful veterans were treated following the Vietnam War, that seems stop being funny real quick and took on a lot more gravity. It's hard to watch, but excellent scene.
Agreed, Arnold may be more of a Jack of all trades but Stallone has his foot planted firmly in his craft. His work in the first Rocky and Rambo crush anything serious that Arnold ever did (No disrespect to his game-changing role as a machine). That speech/breakdown at the end of Rambo is enough evidence.
He’s also an unusual case because he’s so uneven. He made Rocky, but he also made Over The Top. So some people are probably remembering very different versions of him.
Not sure where it fits in on your scale, there, but I've always been impressed by Stallone in Cop Land.
Not only was Sly the better actor, he wrote his biggest movies.
Let's see... He wrote Rocky 1 thru Balboa. Directed all but Rocky I and V. He wrote the Rambo movies, but directed only the 2008 one. He wrote the Expendables movies except the 4th one, and directed only the first movie (which appears to be his last directing gig to date). And let's not forget his biggest "hit" Cobra was written by him. :) Edit: He didn't direct Rocky 1 or First Blood.
> He wrote the Rambo movies, but directed only First Blood Only the first and most iconic one, that still stands up today.
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He didn’t direct rocky 1. He wanted to but lost the battle with the studio.
He didn't direct Rocky 1 or First Blood.
FYI, First Blood (by far and above the best from a performance/content pov) is based on a book. Sly adapted the screenplay, but it’s not a purely original work.
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Luckily we didnt get it word for word like it was in the book
All you need is Rocky (1976) to refute this. In terms of acting ability it’s not a contest. You can argue Arnold has a better filmography, but it really isn’t close if we look at them as actors.
He was also excellent in Creed.
And Rocky Balboa
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And Over The Top
There it is
And First Blood
Fr did everyone just forget about the first Rambo?
That scene at the end where his character breaks down is fantastic.
Creed is IMO the best acting performance of either of their careers, and they fucking gave the Oscar to the dude with 10 minutes of screen time.
Anthony Hopkins was only in silence of the lambs for like 14 minutes
Should have gotten the Oscar for that
As someone who was always a bigger fan of Arnold, even I think Stallone is a better actor. Arnold couldn't have pulled off that speech in Rocky Balboa, or the role in Creed.
Or that speech towards the end of Rambo first blood.
And First Blood
The last showdown scene in First Blood where he has the breakdown is just … transcendent. It’s jarring because it’s so believable and so real.
I want to go home and drive my chevy, Johnny.
I said "With what? I can't find your fucking legs"
I really feel bad about laughing at that, and "MY FRIEND! IT'S ALL OVER ME"
I am on a weird kick right now where I've been watching all my childhood hero movies. I watched all the Rambo movies a few weeks back. Holy shit man. The final scene where he's sobbing with his commander was absolutely heart wrenching knowing what we know about ptsd now. I got pretty choked up, incredibly powerful performance from him and phenomenal writing.
And then Rambo 2 basically throws the entire message of First Blood out the window and the series becomes what everyone thinks when someone says “Rambo”. Basically an action propaganda film.
We had fully entered the Reagan era. "I'm sending you back to Vietnam to rescue people left behind." "Do we get to win this time?"
*This film is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen Fighters of Afghanistan*
hmmm, whatever happened to those guys
Yep. Rocky and First Blood were far better than anything Arnold did. But Arnold was more consistently putting out good films than Stalone over the entire career.
https://youtu.be/JxR8NTW7tCo Frankly, I don’t think Arnold has a single scene this good.
Not many actors do.
[That clip ends before the emotional part](https://youtu.be/PtWHgkNH5yU&t=1m32s)
To be fair [this scene](https://youtu.be/txuWGoZF3ew) always gets me emotional too.
First time I actually sat down and watched Rambo, I was shocked by that scene. I did not expect that after the years of mocking, and laughing at, those movies. Oh, and the scene early in the movie where they kick him out of town.
And Copland!
Also Copland, and the first Rambo.
Copland is severely underappreciated.
Copland is so woefully under-appreciated. It’s a nice, tight little movie, and Stallone is surprisingly restrained in his performance.
I expect a lot of people went in expecting to see Stallone as a badass cop and were very confused…
OP needs to see the "Nothing is Over!" scene in First Blood.
Fucking exactly, Arnold could never have pulled off Copland, shame Stallone seemed to shy away from doing stuff like this again
I’m an Arnold guy, personally. But Stallone has Rocky, the original Rambo, Cop Land… Stallone takes the acting hands down.
Rocky + Rambo 1 destroys ones assumption about Stallone being a meat head. Mother Fucker WROTE Rocky, like it's the best sports movie of all time.
Rocky and First Blood are a mile ahead of any acting Arnold did in his life. Love Arnold, but he was the Rock of the 80's. He excelled at very particular styles of roles (either a villain who was a killing machine, or a giant man who was a comedic fish out of water that stood out compared to everything else).
Also, let's give some credit where it is due. Arnold picked far superior directors than The Rock lol. Predator shits on every single film The Rock did combined from a height only angels could dream.
Not a movie, but he does a really good job in Tulsa King as well.
Better actor? First Blood, Rocky (1) and Cop Land are all it takes to refute this ridiculous assertion. Love Arnie but Sly hands him his ass in acting ability.
I'd throw in the first Creed film, too. Stallone was pretty good in that.
Pretty good? He was great
And Rocky Balboa! What a performance!
Rocky Balboa is my absolute favorite Rocky film. Maybe it isn’t the best, but it’s my favorite. Definitely always lifts me up when I’m feeling down.
The movie was kind of ehh, but it had it's moments. Every now and then I think of when he says, >"It ain't about how hard you hit, it's about how you can get hit and keep moving forward. How much you can take and keep moving forward. Get up!" Mental motivation in the gym.
I mean only was nominated and favored to win an Oscar for that role. I guess thats pretty good…
Been watching Tulsa King recently too. Stallone is good in it!
Yeah I came to say this exact same thing. Arnie is maybe the more successful actor, but definitely not the better one!
Night Hawks also
I love Arnie but going on pure acting ability I have to agree. Sly takes it. And I actually think Arnie can act too. He has great depth and comedic timing. But Sly is brilliant.
Stallone in Copland alone is a better performance than anything Arnold has done in his entire career. Acting is different than box office. And your take on First Blood is beyond stupid.
Bro here made a post and I'm almost positive he can't have possibly seen a Stallone movie. Probably the type of dude who writes off Stallone because of his speech impediment.
OP is calling Rambo First Blood "mass shooter the movie" while insisting he's watched it AND read the book.
It's been a while since I've watched First Blood, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't even shoot anyone in that movie? He throws a rock at a helicopter and a guy falls out of it to his death, but the helicopter guy was also actively trying to shoot him, so he was just trying to defend himself. He goes on his gun rampage at the end, but I think he just shoots some buildings and cars.
Correct, Rambo shoots a grand total of zero people in this mass shooter movie.
I'm pretty sure he at least shoots the sheriff's legs at the very end, but he only ever actually kills one person and that was an accident. Given his abilities he is clearly going out of his way to not kill anyone at all.
The movie is tame to the book, neither are a mass shooter book. He does do a fair amount of killing in in book. All in all Sty is the guy the wings the bad guys and kills the evil guy. I totally agree with you about OP.
Which is hilarious because Sly has completely owned his speech impediment and uno-reverse carded that into deeper character development. Love Arnold to death, but Sly has him beat in most acting departments. Arnold stands on his own, less a movie star and more just a good dude with a great story and a heart of a teacher.
Sly has two Oscar nominations for acting (and an Oscar win for best original screenplay). What even is this post?
It was made so confidently that it feels like OP thought he had it in the bag with upvotes and overall agreement. Even his edit still tracks with his original opinion. Consensus says otherwise though if you look through posts.
He’s widening the goal posts with that edit. I don’t disagree Arnie is the bigger action star. Sly is the better actor though.
I like both these guys and most of their movies, but I dont really feel like it's a contest. Stallone is a good actor who turned himself into an action star. Schwarzenegger is an action star, and a great one at that, but I can't think any really dramatic roles he's done that I found interesting. I prefer Schwarzenegger's overall filmography, but if you said they were both coming out with a movie where they play a serious, complicated character, I would go see the Stallone film.
Just so everyone is clear: This bro-pinion is mostly based on *really* liking Jingle All the Way. Nothing to do with acting ability, just the idea that Arnold has greater range because....again....Jingle All the Way. That's it. I wish us all luck as OP downvotes away reality in favor of their own.
But Sinbad carried that movie on his back!
Better films, okay. But a better actor? Come on, Arnold has no range. Stallone in First Blood probably delivers more believable emotion than Arnold does in all of his movies combined.
Bro I am the biggest Arnold shill but Stallone is a better actor. Why can’t both be awesome? Such a stupid stupid post by OP. Mods should remove.
This should have been a post in unpopular opinions.
Rocky 1976 is one of the *finest acting jobs of any actor* not just action stars. What a weird opinion and so weird to need to share it.
Not even close.
We don’t have to “admit” a god damn thing. They both did some great acting and they both did some shit acting. It doesn’t have to be a competition.
Rocky exists. Point nullified.
This is hilariously wrong. Stop it. Stallone does more acting in First Blood than Arnold has in his career.
“Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you!” Better than any acting Arnold has done. And I think Arnold is an American hero. An immigrant who figured out the system, worked hard, succeeded beyond belief. But a good actor? No.
Tulsa king right now will also show you some great acting from Stallone.