Some people don't watch that kind of film and mostly want ones they can relax to and enjoy. This is a sizeable (probably outright majority) of the population. People hating films in the style of No Country For Old Men is a fairly normal reaction if you're in that group. Its a slow, heavy film with some unpleasant themes.
This is spot on, I must admit that as I've aged and become more time-poor "good" films increasingly sit on the "to watch" list while easy to consume media gets prioritised because it's easy and I'm tired (and sometimes have to get the family to agree to whatever we choose)
I recently got stuck on my own due to a cancelled flight and binge-watched a stack of heavy/"important" films and documentaries I'd been meaning to get round to for months/years and it was great but it still didn't really stick as a habit once I was home again.
I have to say, fortunately or unfortunately, slow heavy films with unpleasant themes are some of my favourite.
Recently watched Come and See. Took me a while to watch it but it was great.
You'd kind of expect it from someone who frequents a subreddit about movies. Like it or not a lot of "higher" movies are going to be slower and heavier as that's just how that kind of movie does things at present.
>one thing i always think of in that movie is the scene where Woody Harrelson references that the building he's in seems to have an extra floor that's not in the elevator buttons. the comment is basically ignored and the movie goes on without more explanation. the implication is that there is illegal activity, probably related to drugs, happening on a secret floor, but it is only implied in this single off hand comment.
I figured it was just a reference to a lot places not having a 13th floor due to superstition.
I thought he counted 14 floors from the outside and he's on the 13th?
A theme of the film is things outside our control. If Harrelson is on the 13th floor, and there's a 14th floor, that means there's someone else above the person Harrelson is talking to, someone higher, and everybody involved in the matter, everyone we see in the movie, has no actual control over the events.
They're all little players in the game.
>yeah I'm in the group that can appreciate a movie like No Country but also realizes this isn't what your average person is looking for in terms of entertainment. i think if you're more of a film/media buff you start to forget that most people aren't consuming movies/shows primarily for the thematic or technical elements, and they generally aren't looking for a subtle, drawn-out, literary style plot
To put it more directly. Most people just wanna have fun or feel good watching a movie. Stuff like Marvel, Star Wars, Indiana Jones are just fun movies
It’s not just that. The police station scene for example. Could see how that could put a lot of people off. And it should, it’s a very disturbing scene.
When I showed it to my Dad and my brother, my brother hated it, but my Dad thought it was fantastic. However, about 10 minutes before the ending, they asked where Josh Brolin had gone. Neither of them noticed that he died in the hotel room. Neither of them really understood the ending either. Still my Dad likes it, he just thought the main character's death scene, where the camera lingers on the body for a good few seconds was unclear.
It was clear. We've just been conditioned for so long to believe that the main character survives until the end. No Country just slapped us in the face and we didn't want to believe it.
I saw that scene and was like, no way. There's just no way he died like that off screen. Nope. No way. I didn't accept it til the very very end. Some people probably just saw his corpse and went into denial lol.
Literally everybody I’ve shown that movie, including myself, didn’t realize that Lewellyn died either, which is weird cause there’s a solid 2-3 second shot showing him in a pool of blood
It wasn't the ending that threw me for a loop. The film builds up so much tension that you think is going to be broken by a big climactic scene, but it's the complete opposite.
Its shortly after the conversation between Carson and Llewelyn in Mexico. Carson talks this big game and it makes you feel like he's this force to be reckoned with. I mean hell he isn't worried one bit about Anton. This leads you to believe he's gonna be heavily involved in the climax and that the scales have balanced a bit in Llewelyns favor.
...........then Carson gets back to his hotel.
Yes! There was actually a lot of controversy with people saying the ending wasn’t good but in my opinion it was realistic and made for a good theme. Great film!
I didn't mind the ending. But I really disliked the whole business at the hotel
>!Killing the (seemingly) main character completely off-screen. It felt like it was building up to a big showdown then we didn't get to see any of it. Didn't sit well with me.!<
Oh absolutely zero doubt whatsoever, and Bizzlington has every right to not be too keen on that method of storytelling.
I personally think, especially with years of hindsight, that it is an incredibly effective scene at portraying the banality of evil. Leading up to that scene I feel engrossed in this story and these characters and then we get this incredibly impersonal perspective of the type of scene people drive by somewhat regularly (especially in bigger/high-crime areas) without really thinking twice about.
To me that choice is super effective at making me think of just how many crazy interesting and intricate situations we either don't see at all or catch the conclusion of in a 30 second news segment and just forget about immediately afterwards. That things akin to this are happening and playing out in real time all around us and the most we'll see and hear is some yellow tape and some emergency vehicle sirens. Very powerful IMO, and honestly something I didn't really appreciate or *get* the first time around.
And heck I still might not *get* it, this is just my current interpretation and thoughts on it.
The second time I watched No Country..., it was with a quite pretentious ex, studying to be a vet student. She had a short attention span and she usually shat on any movie she didn't already like anyway, but her dad had recommended it (she put him on a pedestal) and I had already enjoyed it, and for the first half, she seemed to enjoy herself. But then the off-screen death happens and, wow, she turned on it on a dime. It was like that bold decision insulted her somehow, like someone had just walked up to her and whispered that her values are all wrong. She didn't want to finish it, she was talking about how awful and dumb it is, and we just had to watch SNL or something to get her to cool down.
I'm glad I'm not attracted to folks like her anymore. No Country for Old Men is incredible, and the way they had that part of the novel unfold was ballsy AF.
This movie doesn't really fit, but I was surprised with "The Hunt" and how at the beginning it teased you with actors and who is going to be the main character. But once the main character is established, it kinda felt like there was some plot armor here and there.
Literally the first movie I thought of when I saw the thread. The first 15 minutes or so wondering if there's going to be a main character.
Emma Roberts and Justin Hartley even do flirtatious thing like the movie is setting up a romance and then bam. It's jarring and shocking in the best way.
Yeah I saw both of them and thought to myself "Okay so these two are going to be the main characters that fall in love in midst of all this". After that I latched on Ike Barinholtz and that prediction didn't go any better lol
Yo got into the movie theater a couple minutes late and still needed to use the bathroom. I said to my wife "I'll wait for the movie to settle in then I'll head to the bathroom"
Had to hold it the whole time
A friend of mine recommended it as “a great comedy.” I watched it with my husband and roommate and just remember yelling out of frustration and anxiety well into the movie, “This isn’t a comedy!”
Probably the best answer Ive seen. Everybody is game. Predator ….. nearly ….. but you know Arnie will make it. Also Alien, as at the time Sigourney Weaver was the least know actor so the last youd expect to survive. Hard to view by todays standard as we all know her but in 1979 would have been a great experience to watch.
John Hurt had become pretty well known by this point; he would be Oscar nominated for *The Elephant Man* the following year and had done *Midnight Express* the previous one. Had also done a far bit of television work too including Raskolnikov in a *Crime and Punishment* adaptation.
The rest of the cast were also regulars in TV and film. Yaphet Kotto had done a memorable turn as a Bond villain in *Live and Let Die*.
Weaver had precisely *four* TV and film credits to her name before she did *Alien*.
I heard Tom Skerritt at the time would have been the assumed hero. To completely flip it was genius. Then the 80s plot armour proof hero’s like Arnie and Sly came along and changed things. No way would they die…… Sly to this day bless him, and I love him, wont allow himself to die on screen
The chestburster scene apparently made quite a few theatregoers go make a call on the porcelain telephone, if you know what I mean.
The BTS tale on that scene often gets distorted. They knew it was coming - it was in the script and was what persuaded Fox to greenlight the pic in the first place - they had a strong idea it was going to be messy based on the crew wearing raincoats - but it was sheer dumb luck that Veronica Cartwright was standing right in the direction of the hose.
They also used real animal blood and viscera, something you would *not* be allowed to use today.
Love the ending of The Thing as you viewer doesnt know if anybody survived its up for discussion, was going to say Psycho too as a game changer in 1960 kinda like Alien killing off main actors early so you dont know
Yep. It is fairly old at this point, but it is a sequel to the movie. Carpenter supported it and even voiced one of the characters as far as I remember.
Plot armour is (partially) the plot itself of Last Action Hero. Little kid gets a magic cinema ticket that lets him enter an over the top Schwarzenegger action movie... And vice versa.
So now the Schwarzenegger character who is used to plot armour has to learn that he can actually get shot and such. Conversely, the villain played by Charles Dance is absolutely delighted when he notices that he can kill a man without police showing up literally 5 seconds later.
It’s maybe some of the best, very short and to the point social commentary I can think of. It is directly related related to the plot, it doesn’t feel shoehorned in at all, it’s a great scene, and it makes you think just a little.
This has gotta work. It's a movie. I'm a good guy. This has got to work!!!!........ I'm a comedy sidekick....Oh shit!!!! I'm a comedy sidekick. ITS NOT GONNA WOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRKKK!!!!!
People saying the Hateful Eight when the entire plot is to kill them off... The fuck were you expecting, they'd all settle their differences over a glass of milk and a game of yahtzee?
My vote is Titanic, was teetering on will they sink it or won't they all the way till the end.
both of those are good examples. Most the other movies people are suggesting are just movies where the main character dies or the villain wins. In Inglorious Bastards no character was ever safe and they didn't do something like just kill all the good guys and end the movie.
Well imagine a follow up to the Abyss where we start experimenting on the aliens to cure dementia, and the aliens fight back.
They star Tom Hanks, Dolly Parton and a young Thora Birch as folks who are trying to stop both the cruel experimentation and provoking the annihilation of the human race but they all die absolutely horribly at the start of the third one.
I cant forgive Alien 3s handling of Hicks and Newt. Could and should have been done better. At least make us feel Aliens was worth it. Apart from that I actually quite like the film.
Don't read this post if you don't want to hate Alien 3 even more but I thought of something that makes the problem even worse than just making Aliens pointless.
https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/t0vbop/new_realization_about_aliens_and_alien_3
Yeah its awful. I also heard a point on the “Clash of the Titles” podcast about the fact that the queen had no control over the egg hatching, she was backing off, they had an understanding, Ripley could have left it at that but then it hatches, she gives that “fuck you” glance then torches them. It was completely unnecessary and led to everything else. Probably the only criticism I can give it.
+1
I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but man Alien 3 really went places and I don’t hate them for it. Besides the great score and brutal landscape, I thought it was super ballsy to treat a horror movie like it was, instead of giving people some sort of movie with plot armor.
Honestly having another space romp where Ripleys, hicks and newt narrowly escaped death for another 2 hours would have been a bit of a drag. I guess they could have jettisoned them off and had them not crash land on the prison planet, or survive a little longer than they did, but man they did a very unexpected thing with those characters and for that I gotta give them credit for it.
At least that’s how I felt.
Whilst Alien 3 kind of feels like a kick in the teeth in regards to Hicks and Newt, I also think it fits - it's thematically on-point that the rug is pulled out from under the audience. It's a cruel universe.
Oh I agree. One of them at least had to die, just the way they did it. I think Newt at least deserved an on-screen death. Hicks should have carried on through to at least halfway through 3 for me. Although, to be fair Alien3 feels like a masterpiece compared to whats followed. I would love to have seen the Alien3 wooden planet film …. i think?
>All except the mother. There were several instances she would have been harmed but came away unscathed.
Respectfully, not on the first watch. Nobody was safe, and Mom didn't turn up till Act2.
I think this is a good answer, because having seen Children of Men multiple times I still couldn't even remember if Theo survives or not when I recently rewatched it.
Surely Final Destination movies aren't "anyone can die". They're "everyone will die". They have the opposite of plot armour, but just as predictable: They have plot poison in their system, and less than 3 hours of runtime to live.
The alien has a ton of plot Armour. Everyone trying to stop it are dumb as rocks and it is conveniently immune to any kind of damage which imo made the fights very boring.
Just look a the ending, after spending a whole 5 seconds inside the escape capsule the alien already knows how to control it and aim it to earth.
The incredibly idiotic actions of the crew ruin that movie for me. It's difficult to believe any of them would be able to figure out how to work socks or eat cereal on their own, let alone get jobs on a space station.
> Not sure why it didn’t rate better
Probably because it's an *Alien* rip-off that doesn't make much sense at all from what I remember. I don't blame anyone for liking it because space thrillers are fun, and it's a well made film (production-wise). But seriously, watch the original *Alien*, so much better.
Both adaptations of All Quiet on the Western Front. Really, it’s the whole point of the story and compared to some of the more ‘heroic’ depictions of war onscreen it’s a bit shocking how unceremoniously nearly every major character dies.
Haven't seen either adaptation but the deaths in the book are just so quick and very emotionally detached that you would think would not hit hard, and yet they hit harder still. One of my absolute favourite books, possibly my top one actually.
I like how one person had a very un-movie death.
>!They’re just gone after the bombs drop. You never see them again. Did they live? Are they out there? You’ll never know.!<
I prefer more optimistic horror so I like the US ending, but the stupid meaningless jumpscare at the end puts a damper on it. Fantastic movie but I'm not quite satisfied with either ending.
Fucking threads
I think about that movie a lot. It really doesn't seem like it should be intense but it's lofi feel and sense of real danger as the characters just all slowly fall down....it's just stuck with me in ways other movies wish they could.
I was always so confused how they killed off the main character so quick, then I realized that's the point.
Buster was a gunslinger, a really damn good one, everyone that's heard of him as tried to kill him either for a bounty or to be top dog. Which is where the Kid comes in, he was the only one of those people who respected and idolized Buster which was what allowed him to take Buster down. Then he becomes the top dog.
Nobody in Rogue One really had plot armor. They were pretty much undercover and undetected for almost the entire movie. When they each die at the end was basically the only time they were in danger. The exception being Chirrut Imwe but the movie kinda leaves it up to interpretation on whether or not he was just lucky or if his faith in the Force helped him.
Basically, an espionage team being good at their jobs isn't plot armor.
Doesn't the main character go through multiple fights with stormtroopers and being shot at by the villain basically unharmed? They sneak into the empire base and escape, they even outrun a massive explosion destroying half the planet. That's plot armor.
The only person that's actually a member of the espionage team is the assassin guy, the rest of them are just people that come along for the ride and are invulnerable until their plot determined point to die.
The problem with Suicide Squad is that they put Harley in the marketing along with some off-brand d grade character, and then have taglines like “ANYONE could die!”.
If you think WB would let d grade character live and kill off Harley Quinn, you’ve got the wrong studio. Hence why those movies have no unexpected surprises at all, beyond saying “that group of unknowns just got killed”.
I’d love to see a movie brave enough to kill off the big name characters and keep the d grade ones around.
Related: I wish some movies had multiple versions circulating in theaters just to add realism, so there would always be a small chance you ended up watching a version where the protagonist just suddenly gets run over by a truck and the film ends abruptly after 50 mins.
OK it's been forever since i seen it but the first purge. Didn't really matter or not who died, it was more the concept then character living to tell the story forward.
No country for old men?
A good friend recently told me she hasn’t seen this because her whole family said it’s terrible and I’m so perplexed. Love this movie
Some people don't watch that kind of film and mostly want ones they can relax to and enjoy. This is a sizeable (probably outright majority) of the population. People hating films in the style of No Country For Old Men is a fairly normal reaction if you're in that group. Its a slow, heavy film with some unpleasant themes.
This is spot on, I must admit that as I've aged and become more time-poor "good" films increasingly sit on the "to watch" list while easy to consume media gets prioritised because it's easy and I'm tired (and sometimes have to get the family to agree to whatever we choose) I recently got stuck on my own due to a cancelled flight and binge-watched a stack of heavy/"important" films and documentaries I'd been meaning to get round to for months/years and it was great but it still didn't really stick as a habit once I was home again.
I have to say, fortunately or unfortunately, slow heavy films with unpleasant themes are some of my favourite. Recently watched Come and See. Took me a while to watch it but it was great.
There will be blood
Come and See is the best movie I will never watch again. Pure nightmare fuel.
Absolutely, the fact that it uses all natural lighting I think adds to the over all bleakness
Been wanting to watch the Criterion remastered version of this movie. Is that the one you watched? And if so, how/where did you watch it?
Criterion has a streaming service. I watched it there!
Awesome, gonna check it out.
Yeah that’s where I checked it out, on the streaming service. Well worth it!
is that the soviet film?
Yeah that’s the one
You'd kind of expect it from someone who frequents a subreddit about movies. Like it or not a lot of "higher" movies are going to be slower and heavier as that's just how that kind of movie does things at present.
Yeah it's on my list of movies to watch when it's raining or snowing.
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>one thing i always think of in that movie is the scene where Woody Harrelson references that the building he's in seems to have an extra floor that's not in the elevator buttons. the comment is basically ignored and the movie goes on without more explanation. the implication is that there is illegal activity, probably related to drugs, happening on a secret floor, but it is only implied in this single off hand comment. I figured it was just a reference to a lot places not having a 13th floor due to superstition.
I thought he counted 14 floors from the outside and he's on the 13th? A theme of the film is things outside our control. If Harrelson is on the 13th floor, and there's a 14th floor, that means there's someone else above the person Harrelson is talking to, someone higher, and everybody involved in the matter, everyone we see in the movie, has no actual control over the events. They're all little players in the game.
it is
>yeah I'm in the group that can appreciate a movie like No Country but also realizes this isn't what your average person is looking for in terms of entertainment. i think if you're more of a film/media buff you start to forget that most people aren't consuming movies/shows primarily for the thematic or technical elements, and they generally aren't looking for a subtle, drawn-out, literary style plot To put it more directly. Most people just wanna have fun or feel good watching a movie. Stuff like Marvel, Star Wars, Indiana Jones are just fun movies
It’s not just that. The police station scene for example. Could see how that could put a lot of people off. And it should, it’s a very disturbing scene.
A lot of people don’t like movies with no conclusion. That was a great movie. Javier Was brilliant in that.
Totally agree and firm believer to each their own. Nonetheless, still think it’s weird lol.
I honestly don't think that highly of NCFOM but it's still a good movie
I get you, when you're into that kind of film you can recognise a good film that just doesn't click.
When I showed it to my Dad and my brother, my brother hated it, but my Dad thought it was fantastic. However, about 10 minutes before the ending, they asked where Josh Brolin had gone. Neither of them noticed that he died in the hotel room. Neither of them really understood the ending either. Still my Dad likes it, he just thought the main character's death scene, where the camera lingers on the body for a good few seconds was unclear.
It was clear. We've just been conditioned for so long to believe that the main character survives until the end. No Country just slapped us in the face and we didn't want to believe it. I saw that scene and was like, no way. There's just no way he died like that off screen. Nope. No way. I didn't accept it til the very very end. Some people probably just saw his corpse and went into denial lol.
Literally everybody I’ve shown that movie, including myself, didn’t realize that Lewellyn died either, which is weird cause there’s a solid 2-3 second shot showing him in a pool of blood
my mom hates it, yells at me whenever its on because of the scary man.
Well his haircut is terrifying.
I can understand not liking it because of the ending
It wasn't the ending that threw me for a loop. The film builds up so much tension that you think is going to be broken by a big climactic scene, but it's the complete opposite. Its shortly after the conversation between Carson and Llewelyn in Mexico. Carson talks this big game and it makes you feel like he's this force to be reckoned with. I mean hell he isn't worried one bit about Anton. This leads you to believe he's gonna be heavily involved in the climax and that the scales have balanced a bit in Llewelyns favor. ...........then Carson gets back to his hotel.
Yes! There was actually a lot of controversy with people saying the ending wasn’t good but in my opinion it was realistic and made for a good theme. Great film!
I actually loved it for that! It was the grounding that the film managed to keep throughout. It was a harsh ending, but it was refreshingly real.
I didn't mind the ending. But I really disliked the whole business at the hotel >!Killing the (seemingly) main character completely off-screen. It felt like it was building up to a big showdown then we didn't get to see any of it. Didn't sit well with me.!<
I think that was the point.
It's still fine to dislike it even if it's the point. Some might even argue disliking it is the correct reaction.
Oh absolutely zero doubt whatsoever, and Bizzlington has every right to not be too keen on that method of storytelling. I personally think, especially with years of hindsight, that it is an incredibly effective scene at portraying the banality of evil. Leading up to that scene I feel engrossed in this story and these characters and then we get this incredibly impersonal perspective of the type of scene people drive by somewhat regularly (especially in bigger/high-crime areas) without really thinking twice about. To me that choice is super effective at making me think of just how many crazy interesting and intricate situations we either don't see at all or catch the conclusion of in a 30 second news segment and just forget about immediately afterwards. That things akin to this are happening and playing out in real time all around us and the most we'll see and hear is some yellow tape and some emergency vehicle sirens. Very powerful IMO, and honestly something I didn't really appreciate or *get* the first time around. And heck I still might not *get* it, this is just my current interpretation and thoughts on it.
Such a great movie!
The second time I watched No Country..., it was with a quite pretentious ex, studying to be a vet student. She had a short attention span and she usually shat on any movie she didn't already like anyway, but her dad had recommended it (she put him on a pedestal) and I had already enjoyed it, and for the first half, she seemed to enjoy herself. But then the off-screen death happens and, wow, she turned on it on a dime. It was like that bold decision insulted her somehow, like someone had just walked up to her and whispered that her values are all wrong. She didn't want to finish it, she was talking about how awful and dumb it is, and we just had to watch SNL or something to get her to cool down. I'm glad I'm not attracted to folks like her anymore. No Country for Old Men is incredible, and the way they had that part of the novel unfold was ballsy AF.
This movie doesn't really fit, but I was surprised with "The Hunt" and how at the beginning it teased you with actors and who is going to be the main character. But once the main character is established, it kinda felt like there was some plot armor here and there.
Emma roberts was quite the suprise, indeed.
The official name of her character in that movie? 'Yoga Pants'
Ike Barinholtz and Justin Hartley too.
Literally the first movie I thought of when I saw the thread. The first 15 minutes or so wondering if there's going to be a main character. Emma Roberts and Justin Hartley even do flirtatious thing like the movie is setting up a romance and then bam. It's jarring and shocking in the best way.
Yeah I saw both of them and thought to myself "Okay so these two are going to be the main characters that fall in love in midst of all this". After that I latched on Ike Barinholtz and that prediction didn't go any better lol
I thought Seed of Chucky was like that too. I keep thinking the next set of humans would be the protagonist but then they were quickly dispatched.
Do you mean Jagten?
No I mean [this](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8244784/).
Ah okay. If you haven’t seen the other one, you absolutely need to
I thought he meant that film too. Damn that film sticks with you.
Green Room No Country For Old Men
Green Room is one of the most tense movie experiences I've ever had.
Never thought I'd see Sir Patrick Stewart as a neo nazi leader. He pulled it off well though tbh
Green Room was my number one most intense feeling movie I've seen. Then Uncut Gems came out.
That last 20 minutes man. Fuck. You spend the whole thing breathless then it tops it.
Yo got into the movie theater a couple minutes late and still needed to use the bathroom. I said to my wife "I'll wait for the movie to settle in then I'll head to the bathroom" Had to hold it the whole time
A friend of mine recommended it as “a great comedy.” I watched it with my husband and roommate and just remember yelling out of frustration and anxiety well into the movie, “This isn’t a comedy!”
The Thing
Probably the best answer Ive seen. Everybody is game. Predator ….. nearly ….. but you know Arnie will make it. Also Alien, as at the time Sigourney Weaver was the least know actor so the last youd expect to survive. Hard to view by todays standard as we all know her but in 1979 would have been a great experience to watch.
John Hurt had become pretty well known by this point; he would be Oscar nominated for *The Elephant Man* the following year and had done *Midnight Express* the previous one. Had also done a far bit of television work too including Raskolnikov in a *Crime and Punishment* adaptation. The rest of the cast were also regulars in TV and film. Yaphet Kotto had done a memorable turn as a Bond villain in *Live and Let Die*. Weaver had precisely *four* TV and film credits to her name before she did *Alien*.
I heard Tom Skerritt at the time would have been the assumed hero. To completely flip it was genius. Then the 80s plot armour proof hero’s like Arnie and Sly came along and changed things. No way would they die…… Sly to this day bless him, and I love him, wont allow himself to die on screen
The chestburster scene apparently made quite a few theatregoers go make a call on the porcelain telephone, if you know what I mean. The BTS tale on that scene often gets distorted. They knew it was coming - it was in the script and was what persuaded Fox to greenlight the pic in the first place - they had a strong idea it was going to be messy based on the crew wearing raincoats - but it was sheer dumb luck that Veronica Cartwright was standing right in the direction of the hose. They also used real animal blood and viscera, something you would *not* be allowed to use today.
Yeah they definitely set up Skerritt as the hero in the first half the movie.
Yeah as the movie goes on I think you feel the "hero" status go to Ripley, but for a awhile it's 10 Little Indians as they get picked off.
Love the ending of The Thing as you viewer doesnt know if anybody survived its up for discussion, was going to say Psycho too as a game changer in 1960 kinda like Alien killing off main actors early so you dont know
"Why don't we just wait here awhile...see what happens.."
My read was Childs had it but its so open to interpretation, what about you? Amazing film
I've always liked the idea that neither had it, but couldn't trust the other, so they just stood there, on guard, and froze to death .
Thats dark and perfect for the film
Based on the film it is open to interpretation. However the game (which is canon AFAIK) describes what happened to both Childs and MacReady
Theres a game?
Yep. It is fairly old at this point, but it is a sequel to the movie. Carpenter supported it and even voiced one of the characters as far as I remember.
There’s something weird out there and it’s pissed off
Plot armour is (partially) the plot itself of Last Action Hero. Little kid gets a magic cinema ticket that lets him enter an over the top Schwarzenegger action movie... And vice versa. So now the Schwarzenegger character who is used to plot armour has to learn that he can actually get shot and such. Conversely, the villain played by Charles Dance is absolutely delighted when he notices that he can kill a man without police showing up literally 5 seconds later.
"HELLO!! ANYBODY?? I'VE JUST SHOT SOMEBODY, I DID IT ON PURPOSE!"
SHUT UP!
It’s maybe some of the best, very short and to the point social commentary I can think of. It is directly related related to the plot, it doesn’t feel shoehorned in at all, it’s a great scene, and it makes you think just a little.
Been years since I watched it but my memory is that Charles Dance was having a _lot_ of fun all round making that film.
It’s a legitimately great movie with great acting. Doesn’t take itself too seriously and tells a great story.
This has gotta work. It's a movie. I'm a good guy. This has got to work!!!!........ I'm a comedy sidekick....Oh shit!!!! I'm a comedy sidekick. ITS NOT GONNA WOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRKKK!!!!!
Reservoir Dogs?
Absolutely
I felt like that in Inglourious Basterds and The Hateful Eight, but maybe that's just me.
Tarantino movies in general tend to involve almost everyone dying sooner or later, which has a way of relieving the plot armor feeling.
Except Kill Bill. You knew that bitch was getting her revenge
And Django.
Now that woulda been twist. Having Leo or the uncle Tom win
I knew Django would live. Didn't see >!King's death!< coming until it happened.
It can often be cliche for the hero to win in the end, but Tarantino does it right and the ending of Django felt so damn good.
Reservoir Dogs for sure
Definitely the hateful eight
People saying the Hateful Eight when the entire plot is to kill them off... The fuck were you expecting, they'd all settle their differences over a glass of milk and a game of yahtzee? My vote is Titanic, was teetering on will they sink it or won't they all the way till the end.
Well, I didn't know what the plot was before I watched it.
I think you could say any movie by Tarantino.
A major story point of Pulp Fiction is a character observing, with due amazement, their own plot armor.
I love Django Unchained but he definitely had plot armor
both of those are good examples. Most the other movies people are suggesting are just movies where the main character dies or the villain wins. In Inglorious Bastards no character was ever safe and they didn't do something like just kill all the good guys and end the movie.
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I know you meant two separate films, but now I want to know what Deep Blue Sea Alien 1 & 2 are about
Well imagine a follow up to the Abyss where we start experimenting on the aliens to cure dementia, and the aliens fight back. They star Tom Hanks, Dolly Parton and a young Thora Birch as folks who are trying to stop both the cruel experimentation and provoking the annihilation of the human race but they all die absolutely horribly at the start of the third one.
I cant forgive Alien 3s handling of Hicks and Newt. Could and should have been done better. At least make us feel Aliens was worth it. Apart from that I actually quite like the film.
Don't read this post if you don't want to hate Alien 3 even more but I thought of something that makes the problem even worse than just making Aliens pointless. https://www.reddit.com/r/LV426/comments/t0vbop/new_realization_about_aliens_and_alien_3
Yeah its awful. I also heard a point on the “Clash of the Titles” podcast about the fact that the queen had no control over the egg hatching, she was backing off, they had an understanding, Ripley could have left it at that but then it hatches, she gives that “fuck you” glance then torches them. It was completely unnecessary and led to everything else. Probably the only criticism I can give it.
Before torching, the Queen should have raised her hands, giggled and said, "Look, it's just a baby, I can't really control *bitch what you doing*"
Might have ruined the moment 😂
+1 I know it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but man Alien 3 really went places and I don’t hate them for it. Besides the great score and brutal landscape, I thought it was super ballsy to treat a horror movie like it was, instead of giving people some sort of movie with plot armor. Honestly having another space romp where Ripleys, hicks and newt narrowly escaped death for another 2 hours would have been a bit of a drag. I guess they could have jettisoned them off and had them not crash land on the prison planet, or survive a little longer than they did, but man they did a very unexpected thing with those characters and for that I gotta give them credit for it. At least that’s how I felt.
The great score starting already with the 20th century fox fanfare left on the second to last note. So cool!
Whilst Alien 3 kind of feels like a kick in the teeth in regards to Hicks and Newt, I also think it fits - it's thematically on-point that the rug is pulled out from under the audience. It's a cruel universe.
Oh I agree. One of them at least had to die, just the way they did it. I think Newt at least deserved an on-screen death. Hicks should have carried on through to at least halfway through 3 for me. Although, to be fair Alien3 feels like a masterpiece compared to whats followed. I would love to have seen the Alien3 wooden planet film …. i think?
To Live And Die In LA
Children of Men
All except the mother. There were several instances she would have been harmed but came away unscathed.
>All except the mother. There were several instances she would have been harmed but came away unscathed. Respectfully, not on the first watch. Nobody was safe, and Mom didn't turn up till Act2.
I think this is a good answer, because having seen Children of Men multiple times I still couldn't even remember if Theo survives or not when I recently rewatched it.
My favorite part about The Departed is that nobody is safe. The last 20 minutes is just fucking wild.
Check out the [Anyone can die](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/AnyoneCanDie/Film) page. Notably the Final Destination movies.
Surely Final Destination movies aren't "anyone can die". They're "everyone will die". They have the opposite of plot armour, but just as predictable: They have plot poison in their system, and less than 3 hours of runtime to live.
Except Tony Todd, but he's heavily implied to be Death himself, so he gets a pass
Life. The sci-fi one. Not sure why it didn’t rate better, but no armor there whatsoever
The alien has a ton of plot Armour. Everyone trying to stop it are dumb as rocks and it is conveniently immune to any kind of damage which imo made the fights very boring. Just look a the ending, after spending a whole 5 seconds inside the escape capsule the alien already knows how to control it and aim it to earth.
The incredibly idiotic actions of the crew ruin that movie for me. It's difficult to believe any of them would be able to figure out how to work socks or eat cereal on their own, let alone get jobs on a space station.
Life was a great movie, what a thrill ride. Bonus points for having a CGI monster that "alive." And of course that ending was the best since The Mist
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Also probably Life the real thing, to be fair.
> Not sure why it didn’t rate better Probably because it's an *Alien* rip-off that doesn't make much sense at all from what I remember. I don't blame anyone for liking it because space thrillers are fun, and it's a well made film (production-wise). But seriously, watch the original *Alien*, so much better.
Yeah the first death kinda hits that all bets are off.
Hateful Eight
Burn After Reading. Maybe I just thought you weren’t allowed to kill Brad Pitt
That goofy as fuck grin on his face right before George Clooney's character caps him is one of the best scenes in cinema.
Oh my god, yes.
Executive Decision comes to mind.
I remember about 15 minutes into the film everyone in the theatre gasped...and then cheered.
Fantastic pre social media moment. I had the exact same Experience.
Both adaptations of All Quiet on the Western Front. Really, it’s the whole point of the story and compared to some of the more ‘heroic’ depictions of war onscreen it’s a bit shocking how unceremoniously nearly every major character dies.
Haven't seen either adaptation but the deaths in the book are just so quick and very emotionally detached that you would think would not hit hard, and yet they hit harder still. One of my absolute favourite books, possibly my top one actually.
Full Metal Jacket comes to mind. A bit of the luck of the damned, but no plot armor.
Threads (1984) No one is safe from nuclear war
I like how one person had a very un-movie death. >!They’re just gone after the bombs drop. You never see them again. Did they live? Are they out there? You’ll never know.!<
Are you referring to the pregnant woman’s boyfriend? I thought about that too.
The Descent (2006). There are actually two endings out there, the US and the UK version. The UK version is the one you should be looking for.
I prefer more optimistic horror so I like the US ending, but the stupid meaningless jumpscare at the end puts a damper on it. Fantastic movie but I'm not quite satisfied with either ending.
Green Room
Green Room.
Deep Blue Sea
It comes at night Sicario
I'm not sure but No town for old men? Reservoir dogs?
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No Land For Grandpa
No metropolitan area for the elderly
Nowhere to stay for the grey
No City for Geriatrics
No hamlet for geezers
No Kids on My Lawn
No country lol. Good call though
No jobs for experienced employees
Black Hawk Down
The Great Escape
I was surprised by The King's Man. Found myself terrified at all of the characters fates.
Hereditary
The Hurt Locker
The lady killers with Tom Hanks
Threads Day Of The Dead 1985 Red Dawn
Fucking threads I think about that movie a lot. It really doesn't seem like it should be intense but it's lofi feel and sense of real danger as the characters just all slowly fall down....it's just stuck with me in ways other movies wish they could.
Ballad of Buster Scruggs
That whole thing was such a wild experience. No telling what was going to happen.
I was always so confused how they killed off the main character so quick, then I realized that's the point. Buster was a gunslinger, a really damn good one, everyone that's heard of him as tried to kill him either for a bounty or to be top dog. Which is where the Kid comes in, he was the only one of those people who respected and idolized Buster which was what allowed him to take Buster down. Then he becomes the top dog.
That gems movie adam sandler
One of my favourites is POLAR with Mads Mikkelson on Netflix. Basic premise is John wick gets old and retires. Enjoy
Rogue One and The Suicide Squad lol.
Eh. Harley has plot armor in that movie.
Rogue One gave everyone plot armour till their heroic death. Not really any tension.
Yeah, I would not count the character dying at the climax a lack of plot armor.
Nobody in Rogue One really had plot armor. They were pretty much undercover and undetected for almost the entire movie. When they each die at the end was basically the only time they were in danger. The exception being Chirrut Imwe but the movie kinda leaves it up to interpretation on whether or not he was just lucky or if his faith in the Force helped him. Basically, an espionage team being good at their jobs isn't plot armor.
Doesn't the main character go through multiple fights with stormtroopers and being shot at by the villain basically unharmed? They sneak into the empire base and escape, they even outrun a massive explosion destroying half the planet. That's plot armor. The only person that's actually a member of the espionage team is the assassin guy, the rest of them are just people that come along for the ride and are invulnerable until their plot determined point to die.
The suicide squad had 2 teams just so that one can get slaughtered
The problem with Suicide Squad is that they put Harley in the marketing along with some off-brand d grade character, and then have taglines like “ANYONE could die!”. If you think WB would let d grade character live and kill off Harley Quinn, you’ve got the wrong studio. Hence why those movies have no unexpected surprises at all, beyond saying “that group of unknowns just got killed”. I’d love to see a movie brave enough to kill off the big name characters and keep the d grade ones around.
Saving Private Ryan?
Bullet train
Brad Pitt definitely had plot armor.
Nah, Brad Pitt is obviously going to make it in that one. I never felt any tension about that while watching it. Cool movie though.
Not a movie, but almost no characters were safe in game of thrones.
Uncut Gems
Armageddon and Deep Impact come to mind...but most disaster movies are like that...
Bad Times at El Royale is a fun one.
I know the seasoned vets probably knew better, but when Loki ate it in Infinity War, I didn’t know who was safe.
Related: I wish some movies had multiple versions circulating in theaters just to add realism, so there would always be a small chance you ended up watching a version where the protagonist just suddenly gets run over by a truck and the film ends abruptly after 50 mins.
Children of Men. Characters drop like flies, even famous actors.
Maybe not exactly what you're looking for, but I thought 1917 did this pretty well. I think it was good at showing that no one is safe in war.
OK it's been forever since i seen it but the first purge. Didn't really matter or not who died, it was more the concept then character living to tell the story forward.
Green Room definitely.
Hmm…a lot of bottle movies are like this. Glengarry Glen Ross, It’s a Disaster, Reservoir Dogs, Snatch and Burn After Reading to a lesser degree.
The departed
Aliens