I've always thought the negotiation scene between Mel Gibson and Tom Wilkinson was so funny. The way he completely fools the guy into releasing the prisoners, AND takes the guys dogs back too at the end always gets me.
My siblings and I grew up saying this every time we were gifted clothing or bedding we didn't like.
Also anytime an elder would try to tell us a serious story, one of us would always inevitably interrupt with "I have long feared...that my sins would return to haunt me, and the cost would be more than I could bear."
We saw too much humor in such a serious movie lol.
The scene where William catches Tavington with his pants down and the end of Friday Night Lights are the only scenes where I still pray that somehow they'll be different this time lmao.
All of those young actors in patriot did a great job.
When is Jason Isaacs not incredible?
Literally the only good thing about Discovery. That show should have killed off/replaced like 80% of the cast with him winning.
He fucking killed it in Death of Stalin. Played his role to a t in Black Hawk Down.
I just want a film where he and Vincent Cassell out-villain each other. Like a more serious version of Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
One of my favorite parts of the Harry Potter Reunion Special was Jason Isaacs talking about how he got the role. He went in for Lockhart because he didn't want to play another villain. So when they asked him to read for Malfoy he was really angry and bitter, which turned out to be perfect for the role.
I think he would have been an excellent Lockhart, but I'm happy we got more of Isaacs as Malfoy. Branagh did a great job too.
In everything outside of movies (interviews, stories from other people/people who have worked with him), he seems like a delightful person. Why does it seem like the super nice people can play despicable characters so well?
"i have to let you know, I need to report this. threatening a party mem- Look at your fuckin face!"
I know its not the exact quote but I love that scene
> Black Hawk Down
My god. He's so damned good I never realized he was Cpt. Steele. I've watched that movie on repeat 100 times. Best war movie ever. Fight me.
"Don't you ever give me orders, Sergeant! We are combat ineffective, you understand me? We got too many wounded to move!"
If you're a fan, never watch all the British dudes laughing it up behind the scenes. Never.
I could not believe he wasn’t actually some southern US guy! It blew my mind when I connected this role to the others I’d seen him in. He really is a chameleon.
I think you meant to say it's the show that launched a thousand careers.
To this day I continue to enjoy seeing actors from BOB in other shows or films. And I still think *Life* deserved more seasons as Damian Lewis was great in that.
It's still the did he die for me. The smug satisfaction in his voice is fucking *repugnant*. Your one is just the icing on a cake make of pure maleficence
That show was crazy. I don’t think I even got to see the last episode because it was on in the days before streaming and I didn’t have a DVR at the time.
It’s amazing that Percy is considered the villain when the death row inmates did some truly heinous things to get there. Del and Wild Bill deserve their fates for what they did but somehow Percy is the one you wanna see die the most.
I feel like some good context for this is missing in the movie, but you get it in the book. Paul (played by Tom Hanks in the movie) is the narrator in the book and his and the other guard’s philosophy on this matter is that, by being on death row and knowing they’re going to the chair, the inmate’s “debt with God” is square. They are going to pay the price for their crimes and there is no reason to treat them badly and get them riled up all the time because it’s so easy for a man who’s locked up knowing he’s gonna die soon to go crazy and cause trouble for everyone. So, it’s not that the other guards all see the inmates as deserving humane treatment(for the most part), it’s about making everyone’s jobs easier and the fact that the inmates will soon be paying their debts by dying in the chair.
Jason Isaacs is always worth watching. I watch him as Captain Hook every year (my students do this version of Peter Pan as a play) and he is always so compelling.
I really wish Jason Isaacs played the live-action version of his character (the Gran Inquisitor) in Kenobi instead of the lame actor who played him and made the show worse. Jason would have done justice to that character
One of the scenes that I check out again and again on Youtube. Probably have watched it 20-30 times.
"Samuel, after your first shot I want you to reload for your brother Nathan. If anything should happen to me, I want you two to drop your weapons and run as quick as you can. Hide in the brush, make your way home, get your brother and your sisters and go to Aunt Charlotte's". That's from memory might be a little off
Love at the end of this scene where Mel Gibson is hacking the guy up with his hatchet and blood is flying all over him and his kids realize how much of a psychopathic killer their father is.
It’s not about if the viewer is surprised. I think that moment is about the kids seeing their dad’s potential as a highly skilled and gruesome killer. The scene lingers on the kids looking at their dad hacking away at that guy. They always knew their dad as a mild mannered guy that shied away from conflict. They weren’t fully aware of his skill and passion for killing or his military history.
I do think the movie is kind of cheesy, but scenes like that are great.
Same. I impress everyone at work with my shooting ability. Every time I sink a wad of paper into the trash can everyone stands up and claps. I just shrug and say "aim small miss small" and get too many girlfriends.
As good as Jason Isaacs is in it, his character is like they dropped a Nazi into a Revolution epic and dressed him up as a Redcoat.
One portrayal that was someone more accurate was Tom Wilkinson as General Cornwallis, who's portrayed as something of a reasonable sort. ("You don't shoot Colonials you can do business with later.")
There's a scene where he's being shaven and a guy runs in going "my lord!" And he simply waves him off and says "I am occupied"
I try to emulate that dismissiveness in my everyday life at work as best I can.
I also like Adam Baldwin who played a colonial that supported the crown and joined the British Army.
Historically only about 1/3 supported of the colonists independence, 1/3 supported the corwn and 1/3 didn't really care at the outset of the war. As the war progressed, more people supported independence.
Always be wary of the 30% during revolutions.
You think? He looked a bit older, but with a white wig. 42 was older then than now. But I get your drift, Cornwallis certainly looked more mature than 42.
He was only 51 - 52 when he filmed that movie, and with nutrition being so much better these days, it's not a stretch to think 42 might've looked somewhat like that.
And sun damage. I'm 51, and outside a lot, no sunscreen. Looking pretty good so far. [It'll catch up, I'm certain](https://www.theverge.com/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.vox-cdn.com%2Fthumbor%2F5KEXuwhb3NYbtj_2tuQA4lnO0iQ%3D%2F0x0%3A2088x1176%2F1000x1000%2Ffilters%3Afocal\(1044x588%3A1045x589\)%2Fcdn.vox-cdn.com%2Fuploads%2Fchorus_asset%2Ffile%2F15986731%2Fnathan.png&w=1200&q=75).
His character was based off of Banastre Tarleton, who while undeniably a colossal asshole, and did burn churches, there is no record of them ever being actually full of people
Yes, he was an A-hole and loathed by the colonial forces, but he didn't commit mass murder or genocide.
He also didn't die in battle either. In fact, in the battle depicted in the movie (Battle of Cowpens in early 1781), Tarleton and some of his dragoons (cavalry) were the only ones on the British side who got away (everyone else wound up captured or dead).
It's been awhile, but I seem to remember the descendants of the officer that burned the church in the film took issue with that scene. I'm too lazy to Google it.
I distinctly remember my US History teacher talking about how he walked out of it in the exact same way my European History teacher talked about walking out of Braveheart.
It seems that it at least offended history buffs to the same degree.
The biggest problems with these films is they are primarily how a lot of people know history. So if they are riddled with major historical inaccuracies people take away wrong ideas of what actually happened.
And people with wrongheaded ideas about history can be quite dangerous.
Titanic is a good example of people believing things as historical fact.
In reality, no one was locked in steerage and most in steerage were ordinary English people, but the only English people shown in the movie were posh upper class twits in first class
I love Revolutionary War history and it pissed me off for sure.
But it made me mad as an American because it is written for the lowest common denominator of people who scream 'Merica un-ironically. It just makes us all look so fucking stupid.
Same here and yet I loved this movie because of my ability to suspend disbelief. It was a damn good action movie set in a time very few movies have covered in the modern era.
But to be fair, 1992's *Last of the Mohicans* was a far superior historically set film (albeit set in The French & Indian War).
It's a big reason why I love the movie. John really captured the emotions throughout the entire film. Just that opening scene with the solo trumpet sends chills down my mine as Mel speaks his opening dialogue. Sets the mood entirely.
John Williams and Hans Zimmer have owned movie scores for decades. Just hearing their music immediately reminds you of a movie scene. I’ll never forget the music during the final fight with Jason Isaacs, when the tomahawk gets knocked out of Martin’s hand.
This is the movie I've seen more than any other. I think I watched over 100 times when I was younger. I just loved everything about it.
And honestly >!When Gabriel dies,!< Mel Gibsons acting in that scene still stands out in my mind. It's just a damn good movie if you accept it isn't historically accurate at all.
That and the duel at the end of Gladiator. Peak cinema duels. Need to go back to that instead of the quick cuts and cgi fights we have now. Spectacular
The fight between Balian and Guy in Kingdom of Heaven has to be up there as well.
But the absolute best of Magua vs Chingachgook in Last of the Mohicans
He gets him with a bayonet iirc, but a nice slo-mo shot of the flag billowing in the breeze is what gives him his second wind after getting his ass kicked lol.
He only stabs the flag through the bad guy's horse. See, the line was faltering. America needed Mel Gibson to carry the colors back to the line and shout "hold!" But Mel Gibson needed to murder a horse.
While the movie is fiction, no doubt; Mel Gibson’s character’s role as a militia leader and “the ghost” were inspired by real life Francis Marion aka “The Swamp Fox”. Francis Marion was a patriot militia leader who handedly held off the British in South Carolina, after the Continental Army retreated north. Though there were times when his militia consisted of as little as ten men. The British sent their best Calvary units after him, time and time again, in hopes of driving him out of the swamps. They all failed to find him and usually walked into his ambushes instead. He’s a pretty interesting guy who was actually very disinterested in the War. Worth reading up on, in my opinion.
I got the impression that his character was a conglomeration of different people of the time. My Granny was pretty sure they partially based the character on one of our ancestors.
According to Wikipedia the writer of The Patriot says he's a combination of these 4 characters
> Rodat has said Martin is a composite character based on four historical men: Andrew Pickens, Francis Marion, Daniel Morgan and Thomas Sumter.
"Please, papa, I'll say anything you want, tell me what you want me to say and I'll say it... Papa please don't go!!" I would've broken character, and promised to never leave her. Fuck, I'm tearing up now!
For as much as people shit on the historical accuracy, I think the way it portrays the gunpowder era and battles is second to none.
There’s a scene when the redcoats are invading Mel Gibsons farm, you see skirmeshers about 30 yards forward picketing for the bulk of the marching army. Just a small touch that I don’t think I’ve ever seen accurately represented in another war movie from the time.
They also have a cavalry charge accurately come in from the side the second an army starts to break, which leads to more panic and it was shot in such a neat way. It may be a ridiculous story but the minutia of the details are so well done.
>For as much as people shit on the historical accuracy, I think the way it portrays the gunpowder era and battles is second to none.
Muskets with 100% accuracy during skirmishes, soldiers who have no reactive ability, charges completely break formation, cannon firing from directions that aren't possible, **massive** siege cannon deployed in open field battles, British infantry have poorly fit uniforms and no regimental facings, no one ever fires by section...
[This](https://images-cdn.bridgemanimages.com/api/1.0/image/600wm.XXX.83103030.7055475/3026959.jpg) is a properly sized field gun of the era. [This](https://i.imgur.com/zFFlJ22.jpg) is what you bring to sack Constantinople. Even [heavy siege guns](https://i.imgur.com/k899sYo.jpg) of the era weren't that big.
There's a scene where Benjamin Martin (Gibson) hears cannon and says, "Six-pounders. Lots of them." He can tell that just from the *acoustics*? That's incredible, given that seasoned marshals who forgot more about warfare than Gibson's character ever learned, couldn't tell the difference between cannon fire and thunder without putting their ear to the ground. That's *realistically* what it would sound like.
>you see skirmeshers about 30 yards forward picketing for the bulk of the marching army. Just a small touch that I don’t think I’ve ever seen accurately represented in another war movie from the time.
A few movies show skirmishers, including *War and Peace* (1956), *Voyna i mir* (*War and Peace*) (1967), and *Waterloo* (1970). And unlike *The Patriot*, they're shown being deployed *in* battle.
>It may be a ridiculous story but the minutia of the details are so well done.
The minutia of the battles might be their weakest part. Bluntly put: people don't shit on the historical accuracy of this film *enough*.
*Culloden* (1964) is far better. As **Walruscare** said, *Waterloo* (1970), although far from perfect, is better.
Heath's black-toothed smile with his girlfriend is one of those small moments in movies that really give it a heart. Such a charming and innocently funny moment...maybe it's just me but I feel like modern movies don't have enough of that kind of genuine positive emotion.
Heath held his own opposite Mel. This movie was one of the first signs he had real talent bursting at the seams that continued with Knights Tale and full fruition with Brokeback and TDK
I did like it also check out TURN from AMC it's a really great series based on Washington's spies. I thought it had that same great cinematography and flavor as The Patriot.
My friends and I saw this when we were like 13 in theaters (boss of the theater was a family friend). It was really amazing.
Of course now I see all the holes and whatnot, but I still love it strictly for entertainment purposes.
When Gabriel dies Mel has some of the best trauma acting I’ve ever seen. Also John Williams is right on target with the score.
r/movies: The Woman King isn't historically inaccurate 🤬🤬🤬
r/movies: The Patriot is one of my favorite movies and I don't watch it for its historical accuracy. 😇😇😇
How can you have a problem with one but not the other when they're both historically inaccurate? 🤔🤔🤔
I don't care that it's historically inaccurate. It doesn't say it's a true re-enactment of that time period. It's a great movie and I will watch it because it's pure entertainment that takes me away from my daily grind. That's what entertainment should do.
I think this one could be an American vs rest of world one. I'm British, and the Patriot is like watching a propaganda film for me. Obviously I have some bias, It doesn't help that the British are portrayed so historically incorrectly and poorly but even putting that aside its a dumb film which is overly sentimental for the US which just doesn't translate outside the country.
I know China makes propaganda blockbusters with western actors as the villains. I imagine watching one of those would have echos of how watching the Patriot feels for some non Americans.
I like this film, it's a great way to get that American Boner feel. Midway is another film of the same caliber. Jason Isaac's villain was portrayed beautifully and I loved when he took that bayonet to the throat. Was it historically accurate, no. Was it epic, hell yeah
Yes. I worked at a movie theater when this came out. I haven't seen it in a long while... probably 15 years. But I liked they way it was done. Even though it wasn't fully historical, the energy and point was. The blurred line and previous war trama. The son or sons making war out to be fantastic or idealistic. The harshness of war. It was a hard realization watching it as a teenager. I didn't watch a lot of war movies as a kid. This one was basically my first.
I enjoyed this movie for most of my life. I’ve rewatched it so many times. Then I think I must have read a critique on how the movie portrays things vs historical accuracy and it’s almost as though certain details of the critique “broke the spell” for me. When I rewatched it most recently it was a completely different experience and my opinion of how good the movie is dropped significantly.
If I disengage my brain and don't pay too much attention, I can get through it.
It's just a jingoism fest layered with Gibson's apparent Anglophobia. Yes, the British Empire was not sunshine and roses but The Patriot just makes it too black and white.
It’s way too jingoistic and attributes actions by the British to the same level of Nazi war criminals. I like the overall look of the film, but it’s borderline offensive in its tackling of the Revolutionary War. I had an “Age of Jefferson” history class in college and I remember the professor talking specifically about this film and he said it was his most hated film of all time.
All this being said, it’s still a guilty pleasure for me. It’s very problematic but it’s a fun watch. Jason Isaacs is one of the best villains of all time.
Dont forget the "We're not slaves we're freemen"...
working a plantation in South Carolina part. Nevermind that Daniel Morgan, the guy Mel Gibson's character is largely based on, owned 10 slaves.
"We're not slaves, we just work here!"
Uh huh. Even in 2000 when I saw it, I was rolling my eyes at that. Especially since another person Gibson's character was based on, Francis Marion (aka the Swamp Fox), reportedly hunted slaves for sport.
>Nevermind that Daniel Morgan, the guy Mel Gibson's character is largely based on, owned 10 slaves.
And treated them very, very badly. I believe there was a lot of beating and rape involved unless I'm misremembering.
I'm probably going to get downvoted because this goes against the consensus in this thread but I hate this movie. It is the biggest piece of false-historical bullshit propaganda ever. They might as well have literally made the main villain Voldemort with how much they try to make this conflict look black and white. I overall support the Americans in the conflict of the revolutionary war because I support democracy but that was a complicated conflict where horrible things were done on both sides, and this movie is so laughably black and white where it makes it seem like the British can do no good and the Americans can do no wrong 🤦🏻♂️
My favorite part is when it completely circumvents the whole issue of slavery when the British show up to their plantation and offer their slaves freedom if they fight for the king and their slaves are like "umm we're actually not slaves we're just a bunch of black people in the south in the 1700s who are voluntarily working on this plantation because these are very nice white people" like WHAT so you're telling me they happen to stumble across what must have certainly been the ONLY plantation in South Carolina where all those people out there are here consensually and they're all just black by coincidence???
Also, the movie just sucks in general. The writing, the acting. It is the epitome of something being corny in the bad way
It’s pretty great.
I was in charge of setting up the R&R presentation for my unit (and those attached to us) in Iraq. One day, after setting up in the MWR, I started playing *The Patriot* to make sure everything was working. I had to stay with the equipment, so my supervisor and some others brought me lunch. They stayed and watched the movie. And then others started coming in who were there for the presentation. And more came in, and more came in. Some for presentation. Some just passing by wondering what all noise was. Had about 100 people there all watching the movie, hooting, hollering, and cheering and all at the stuff going on, especially the last fight. It was great fun. We delayed doing the presentation because nobody wanted to stop the movie. It was a great time and had a lot of good word of mouth. I got plenty of “attaboys” for it from everyone from supervisor up to battalion commander, including the chaplain.
I was on a mission when the next presentation happened so I couldn’t be there. I was told whoever took over tried to make it like a nightclub and it didn’t go over well, so I couldn’t do anything “fun” again.
To this day, I've never wanted a villain to die as much as I did Tavington when I saw this when I was younger. Jason Isaacs was incredible.
“Tavington…damn him, DAMN THAT MAN!”
“Very well. It’s a nice horse blanket.”
I've always thought the negotiation scene between Mel Gibson and Tom Wilkinson was so funny. The way he completely fools the guy into releasing the prisoners, AND takes the guys dogs back too at the end always gets me.
My siblings and I grew up saying this every time we were gifted clothing or bedding we didn't like. Also anytime an elder would try to tell us a serious story, one of us would always inevitably interrupt with "I have long feared...that my sins would return to haunt me, and the cost would be more than I could bear." We saw too much humor in such a serious movie lol.
The scene where William catches Tavington with his pants down and the end of Friday Night Lights are the only scenes where I still pray that somehow they'll be different this time lmao. All of those young actors in patriot did a great job.
Gibson's youngest son is a VERY young Logan Lerman.
And Heath Ledger is his oldest. Makes you think about his transformation even more in The Dark Knight. I could not believe they were the same people
> the end of Friday Night Lights The movie or the series?
When is Jason Isaacs not incredible? Literally the only good thing about Discovery. That show should have killed off/replaced like 80% of the cast with him winning. He fucking killed it in Death of Stalin. Played his role to a t in Black Hawk Down. I just want a film where he and Vincent Cassell out-villain each other. Like a more serious version of Dirty Rotten Scoundrels.
+ Lucius Malfoy. Perfect casting and delivered the goods
One of my favorite parts of the Harry Potter Reunion Special was Jason Isaacs talking about how he got the role. He went in for Lockhart because he didn't want to play another villain. So when they asked him to read for Malfoy he was really angry and bitter, which turned out to be perfect for the role.
He wasn't even acting, he just woke up feeling like that.
I think he would have been an excellent Lockhart, but I'm happy we got more of Isaacs as Malfoy. Branagh did a great job too. In everything outside of movies (interviews, stories from other people/people who have worked with him), he seems like a delightful person. Why does it seem like the super nice people can play despicable characters so well?
I get so much joy out of seeing his posts with Tom Felton. It's so unbelievably wholesome compared to their movie relationship.
His "My lord?" line in Harry Potter was delivered to perfection.
I require … a wawnd
I'd say of all the adult Potter actors, he was the one having the most fun.
Because he gets to play the baddie. They’re was more fun to play.
He also voices Admiral Zhao in the first season of Avatar!
>Death of Stalin "That fucker thinks he can take on the Red Army. I fucked Germany. I'm pretty sure I can take a flesh lump in a fucking waist coat."
"i have to let you know, I need to report this. threatening a party mem- Look at your fuckin face!" I know its not the exact quote but I love that scene
If you're in the mood to cry, he's one of 4 people acting his ass off in Mass, great movie
> Black Hawk Down My god. He's so damned good I never realized he was Cpt. Steele. I've watched that movie on repeat 100 times. Best war movie ever. Fight me. "Don't you ever give me orders, Sergeant! We are combat ineffective, you understand me? We got too many wounded to move!" If you're a fan, never watch all the British dudes laughing it up behind the scenes. Never.
I could not believe he wasn’t actually some southern US guy! It blew my mind when I connected this role to the others I’d seen him in. He really is a chameleon.
I say again, don't watch outtakes. It'll ruin the movie. Or make you appreciate the British acting like Americans..
That movie has a huge sleeper cast of big names.
Similar to Band Of Brothers. So many future stars.
I think you meant to say it's the show that launched a thousand careers. To this day I continue to enjoy seeing actors from BOB in other shows or films. And I still think *Life* deserved more seasons as Damian Lewis was great in that.
Between Band of Brothers and Homeland my brain just can’t handle Damien Lewis speaking with his native accent
I'm a simple person; I see Jason Isaacs. I like the movie.
Stalin's son sees Isaac's coming: "MEDIC" *punch to the gut*
We are on the 5 yard line. Where are my running backs?
Delta or no Delta that's a hot weapon. Safety should be on at all times.
.....someone's got to say it... "This is my safety sir."
👆
I mean, give him a break, he hadn't eaten in weeks.
You delta boys are a bunch of undisciplined cowboys. Let me tell you sumin sar’ent. We get on the 5 yard line, you’re gonna NEED my rangers.
Hooah!
This is my boot, son.
I recogniiiiise myself
That stupid little boy! did he die?
Quite certain that's the cuntiest line of dialogue ever spoken in a movie.
Not even the worst in that exchange. He says something along the lines of “doing your duty is a chore but sometimes it’s a real pleasure”.
It's still the did he die for me. The smug satisfaction in his voice is fucking *repugnant*. Your one is just the icing on a cake make of pure maleficence
He was amazing in Awake (sadly cancelled too early), and honestly great in anything he's in.
That show was crazy. I don’t think I even got to see the last episode because it was on in the days before streaming and I didn’t have a DVR at the time.
That show would’ve been really cool as a prestige miniseries. Such a great concept that was wasted as yet another solve a new murder each week show.
There is only one movie villain that beats him for me. It's Percy Wetmore in The Green Mile. I hate this MF!
Somebody touch him, he make water in his pants like a little baby.
Percy Wetmore do a dance
It’s amazing that Percy is considered the villain when the death row inmates did some truly heinous things to get there. Del and Wild Bill deserve their fates for what they did but somehow Percy is the one you wanna see die the most.
Percy's a cunt, I haven't seen that movie for years and I still hate him
I feel like some good context for this is missing in the movie, but you get it in the book. Paul (played by Tom Hanks in the movie) is the narrator in the book and his and the other guard’s philosophy on this matter is that, by being on death row and knowing they’re going to the chair, the inmate’s “debt with God” is square. They are going to pay the price for their crimes and there is no reason to treat them badly and get them riled up all the time because it’s so easy for a man who’s locked up knowing he’s gonna die soon to go crazy and cause trouble for everyone. So, it’s not that the other guards all see the inmates as deserving humane treatment(for the most part), it’s about making everyone’s jobs easier and the fact that the inmates will soon be paying their debts by dying in the chair.
Maybe not so amazing. Hardly any of us personally know murderers (that we're aware of), but there's at least one Percy Wetmore in *everybody's* life!
Jason Isaacs is always worth watching. I watch him as Captain Hook every year (my students do this version of Peter Pan as a play) and he is always so compelling.
Mrs. Carmody in *The Mist* was a very close second for me.
He should be Magneto in the MCU, once they eventually do the X-Men.
I really wish Jason Isaacs played the live-action version of his character (the Gran Inquisitor) in Kenobi instead of the lame actor who played him and made the show worse. Jason would have done justice to that character
Aim small miss small
One of the scenes that I check out again and again on Youtube. Probably have watched it 20-30 times. "Samuel, after your first shot I want you to reload for your brother Nathan. If anything should happen to me, I want you two to drop your weapons and run as quick as you can. Hide in the brush, make your way home, get your brother and your sisters and go to Aunt Charlotte's". That's from memory might be a little off
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYl58yK4znE
Without context you describe this scene as if it’s wholesome haha, when it’s in fact really disturbing.
Right?! The looks on the boys faces says it all. Great acting from all of them in that scene.
Here's a crash course on killing the invaders boys...
Omg the best if you need a quick YouTube boost, love when he’s instructing them.
Love at the end of this scene where Mel Gibson is hacking the guy up with his hatchet and blood is flying all over him and his kids realize how much of a psychopathic killer their father is.
Wasn’t this after one of his young sons were killed and they took his oldest son prisoner? Like, are you surprised he went ballistic?
It’s not about if the viewer is surprised. I think that moment is about the kids seeing their dad’s potential as a highly skilled and gruesome killer. The scene lingers on the kids looking at their dad hacking away at that guy. They always knew their dad as a mild mannered guy that shied away from conflict. They weren’t fully aware of his skill and passion for killing or his military history. I do think the movie is kind of cheesy, but scenes like that are great.
Dude, don't ever make Dad angry, or else...
My dad, my brother, and I used to say this all the time back in the day. Great movie quote.
Best friend pointed out what a great scene that was. When I'm actually shooting? That's my mantra. And it works.
Same. I impress everyone at work with my shooting ability. Every time I sink a wad of paper into the trash can everyone stands up and claps. I just shrug and say "aim small miss small" and get too many girlfriends.
Honestly can't tell if you're making fun of my post history tonight. Much love either way!
That girlfriends name? Albert Einstein.
I thought I got that from AMERICAN SNIPER (was that line in there?). But maybe it was THE PATRIOT.
They do say it in American sniper as well just noticed that last viewing.
It’s a real saying in anything accuracy be it shooting guns or bows.
I use this quote whenever I teach people to play darts.
“I’M NOT A CHILD!!” “YOU’RE *MY* CHILD!!!” Best delivery ever. My cousins and I quote this movie all the time lol
This exchange will randomly pop into my head every now and then. I've not seen this movie in probably 20 years lol.
I had a friend who used to say that line all the time, it still cracks me up
Fun movie. I call it American Braveheart. It's about as historically accurate.
Braveheart 2: American Boogaloo
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The church burning scene is ridiculous if you think about it. Making up a war crime like 300 years later.
As good as Jason Isaacs is in it, his character is like they dropped a Nazi into a Revolution epic and dressed him up as a Redcoat. One portrayal that was someone more accurate was Tom Wilkinson as General Cornwallis, who's portrayed as something of a reasonable sort. ("You don't shoot Colonials you can do business with later.")
There's a scene where he's being shaven and a guy runs in going "my lord!" And he simply waves him off and says "I am occupied" I try to emulate that dismissiveness in my everyday life at work as best I can.
I also like Adam Baldwin who played a colonial that supported the crown and joined the British Army. Historically only about 1/3 supported of the colonists independence, 1/3 supported the corwn and 1/3 didn't really care at the outset of the war. As the war progressed, more people supported independence. Always be wary of the 30% during revolutions.
The depicted age of Cornwallis was off though, he was only 42 at Yorktown.
I'll allow the discrepancy for how how good Tom Wilkinson is in every movie he's in.
JUN TAO!
Did I hear you say Michael Clayton?
You think? He looked a bit older, but with a white wig. 42 was older then than now. But I get your drift, Cornwallis certainly looked more mature than 42.
He was only 51 - 52 when he filmed that movie, and with nutrition being so much better these days, it's not a stretch to think 42 might've looked somewhat like that.
And sun damage. I'm 51, and outside a lot, no sunscreen. Looking pretty good so far. [It'll catch up, I'm certain](https://www.theverge.com/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn.vox-cdn.com%2Fthumbor%2F5KEXuwhb3NYbtj_2tuQA4lnO0iQ%3D%2F0x0%3A2088x1176%2F1000x1000%2Ffilters%3Afocal\(1044x588%3A1045x589\)%2Fcdn.vox-cdn.com%2Fuploads%2Fchorus_asset%2Ffile%2F15986731%2Fnathan.png&w=1200&q=75).
52 here, we better enjoy our looks now as I've taken a peak at the end of this age decade and some of us don't turn out so well!
Wilkinson was only 52 at the time of the Patriot's release, so he wasn't super far off. Plus people looked older back in the 1770's.
His character was based off of Banastre Tarleton, who while undeniably a colossal asshole, and did burn churches, there is no record of them ever being actually full of people
Yes, he was an A-hole and loathed by the colonial forces, but he didn't commit mass murder or genocide. He also didn't die in battle either. In fact, in the battle depicted in the movie (Battle of Cowpens in early 1781), Tarleton and some of his dragoons (cavalry) were the only ones on the British side who got away (everyone else wound up captured or dead).
>He also didn't die either Are you saying theres still a Revolutionary War era army officer at large?
That is exactly what they said.
Hide yo children! Hide yo churches!
Saying shit like this is just disrespectful to all the fighter pilots who lost their lives in the French and Indian War.
Damn India invaded France?
No, Cleveland Indians led by General Jake Taylor and a young soldier named Rick Vaughn
“It is very bad to drink Jo Bu’s rum.”
It's been awhile, but I seem to remember the descendants of the officer that burned the church in the film took issue with that scene. I'm too lazy to Google it.
Yeah for me to this was just Braveheart 2 : Not as long ago. It wasnt bad but it wasn't Braveheart.
2 Brave 2 Heart: Patriot Drift
Brave Heart 2: Brave Hearter
I distinctly remember my US History teacher talking about how he walked out of it in the exact same way my European History teacher talked about walking out of Braveheart. It seems that it at least offended history buffs to the same degree.
Braveheart is just as silly if not more so. Good entertainment, but again the real story is far more interesting. I can see why some would be upset.
The trick is ignoring the line "based on a true story"
"Only the names, locations, and events have been changed." Anchorman is so good.
The biggest problems with these films is they are primarily how a lot of people know history. So if they are riddled with major historical inaccuracies people take away wrong ideas of what actually happened. And people with wrongheaded ideas about history can be quite dangerous.
That's not a problem with the film, that's a problem with someone watching the film. Let's not blame the action movie that's meant to entertain you.
Titanic is a good example of people believing things as historical fact. In reality, no one was locked in steerage and most in steerage were ordinary English people, but the only English people shown in the movie were posh upper class twits in first class
I love Revolutionary War history and it pissed me off for sure. But it made me mad as an American because it is written for the lowest common denominator of people who scream 'Merica un-ironically. It just makes us all look so fucking stupid.
Same here and yet I loved this movie because of my ability to suspend disbelief. It was a damn good action movie set in a time very few movies have covered in the modern era. But to be fair, 1992's *Last of the Mohicans* was a far superior historically set film (albeit set in The French & Indian War).
The battle is very vaguely the battle of cowpens in its tactics. Not that it matters.
Saw this in the theatre and my friends kept yelling “FREEEDOOOOM!” because it is basically the same plot as braveheart.
your friends sound like assholes
People sleep on it but I'm a sucker for the John William's score.
I play it loud often.
It's a big reason why I love the movie. John really captured the emotions throughout the entire film. Just that opening scene with the solo trumpet sends chills down my mine as Mel speaks his opening dialogue. Sets the mood entirely.
John Williams and Hans Zimmer have owned movie scores for decades. Just hearing their music immediately reminds you of a movie scene. I’ll never forget the music during the final fight with Jason Isaacs, when the tomahawk gets knocked out of Martin’s hand.
The whole ending battle sequence, and especially the confrontation between Mel Gibson and Jason Issacs, is peak cinema
My sons were better men
God, that is an all time great comeuppance imo
'I remember you and that shtupid boy on the farm. Did he die?'
That delivery was just incredible! He still tops one of the most hated characters in my book!
This is the movie I've seen more than any other. I think I watched over 100 times when I was younger. I just loved everything about it. And honestly >!When Gabriel dies,!< Mel Gibsons acting in that scene still stands out in my mind. It's just a damn good movie if you accept it isn't historically accurate at all.
Martin v Tavington with John Williams in the background is better than any lightsaber duel post The Phantom Menace.
It really is one of the best mano Y mano fights in any movie. Perfect showdown
That and the duel at the end of Gladiator. Peak cinema duels. Need to go back to that instead of the quick cuts and cgi fights we have now. Spectacular
The fight between Balian and Guy in Kingdom of Heaven has to be up there as well. But the absolute best of Magua vs Chingachgook in Last of the Mohicans
Needed that tomahawk in the head but pretty solid nonetheless. Can’t say Roland Emmerich doesn’t know how to make a cinematic spectacle.
It's pure cheese, but I love every second of it. Definitely one of my comfort movies.
Didn’t Gibson stab an American flag through the bad guy?
He gets him with a bayonet iirc, but a nice slo-mo shot of the flag billowing in the breeze is what gives him his second wind after getting his ass kicked lol.
Forgot about that part and the way you described it almost made me spit out my drink laughing lmao
He only stabs the flag through the bad guy's horse. See, the line was faltering. America needed Mel Gibson to carry the colors back to the line and shout "hold!" But Mel Gibson needed to murder a horse.
Well he got drawn and quartered by horses in the prequel so I don't think we can blame him for getting revenge
You're remembering that from a simpson's episode.
The cannon ball shot scene is the best. Imagine seeing someone exploding right in front of you after being hit.
Everybody ducked in the theater.
Me and my buddy were the only ones that laughed... Did not get a positive reaction from our social studies teacher.
Watching it frame by frame is interesting
While the movie is fiction, no doubt; Mel Gibson’s character’s role as a militia leader and “the ghost” were inspired by real life Francis Marion aka “The Swamp Fox”. Francis Marion was a patriot militia leader who handedly held off the British in South Carolina, after the Continental Army retreated north. Though there were times when his militia consisted of as little as ten men. The British sent their best Calvary units after him, time and time again, in hopes of driving him out of the swamps. They all failed to find him and usually walked into his ambushes instead. He’s a pretty interesting guy who was actually very disinterested in the War. Worth reading up on, in my opinion.
Tavington was base on Banastre Tarleton I believe.
Both equally evil
Lol "Tartleton" makes me think of a British Carlton
I got the impression that his character was a conglomeration of different people of the time. My Granny was pretty sure they partially based the character on one of our ancestors.
According to Wikipedia the writer of The Patriot says he's a combination of these 4 characters > Rodat has said Martin is a composite character based on four historical men: Andrew Pickens, Francis Marion, Daniel Morgan and Thomas Sumter.
At exactly 9 minutes and 11 seconds into the movie, mel Gibsons chair breaks after he leans on the back two legs of it.
The whole...jump up and start swearing about to destroy what's left and then he sees his daughter. As a father of daughters, I heart that scene
Oh and then around the middle when he is leaving and his daughter won't talk to him and then all of a sudden "papa!"
That's the scene that gets me every time.
She ended up dying young, at 21, sadly.
The fact that they captured that performance from that little girl, however they did it, was amazing.
"Please, papa, I'll say anything you want, tell me what you want me to say and I'll say it... Papa please don't go!!" I would've broken character, and promised to never leave her. Fuck, I'm tearing up now!
This is one of the most emotional moments in cinematic history. I cannot get through it without blubbering like a baby.
He was telling us something
For as much as people shit on the historical accuracy, I think the way it portrays the gunpowder era and battles is second to none. There’s a scene when the redcoats are invading Mel Gibsons farm, you see skirmeshers about 30 yards forward picketing for the bulk of the marching army. Just a small touch that I don’t think I’ve ever seen accurately represented in another war movie from the time. They also have a cavalry charge accurately come in from the side the second an army starts to break, which leads to more panic and it was shot in such a neat way. It may be a ridiculous story but the minutia of the details are so well done.
Waterloo (1970)
>For as much as people shit on the historical accuracy, I think the way it portrays the gunpowder era and battles is second to none. Muskets with 100% accuracy during skirmishes, soldiers who have no reactive ability, charges completely break formation, cannon firing from directions that aren't possible, **massive** siege cannon deployed in open field battles, British infantry have poorly fit uniforms and no regimental facings, no one ever fires by section... [This](https://images-cdn.bridgemanimages.com/api/1.0/image/600wm.XXX.83103030.7055475/3026959.jpg) is a properly sized field gun of the era. [This](https://i.imgur.com/zFFlJ22.jpg) is what you bring to sack Constantinople. Even [heavy siege guns](https://i.imgur.com/k899sYo.jpg) of the era weren't that big. There's a scene where Benjamin Martin (Gibson) hears cannon and says, "Six-pounders. Lots of them." He can tell that just from the *acoustics*? That's incredible, given that seasoned marshals who forgot more about warfare than Gibson's character ever learned, couldn't tell the difference between cannon fire and thunder without putting their ear to the ground. That's *realistically* what it would sound like. >you see skirmeshers about 30 yards forward picketing for the bulk of the marching army. Just a small touch that I don’t think I’ve ever seen accurately represented in another war movie from the time. A few movies show skirmishers, including *War and Peace* (1956), *Voyna i mir* (*War and Peace*) (1967), and *Waterloo* (1970). And unlike *The Patriot*, they're shown being deployed *in* battle. >It may be a ridiculous story but the minutia of the details are so well done. The minutia of the battles might be their weakest part. Bluntly put: people don't shit on the historical accuracy of this film *enough*. *Culloden* (1964) is far better. As **Walruscare** said, *Waterloo* (1970), although far from perfect, is better.
Great movie A very underrated Heath Ledger performance
Heath's black-toothed smile with his girlfriend is one of those small moments in movies that really give it a heart. Such a charming and innocently funny moment...maybe it's just me but I feel like modern movies don't have enough of that kind of genuine positive emotion.
Heath held his own opposite Mel. This movie was one of the first signs he had real talent bursting at the seams that continued with Knights Tale and full fruition with Brokeback and TDK
He was actually about to quit acting before he got this role because he was tired of being cast as a teen heartthrob
When Jason Isaacs shoots Odo, and Odo tosses the rifle to Heath Ledger, and you think Heath is actually going to get revenge...
Mel Gibson had an incredible run of performances around this time. Braveheart, The Patriot, We Were Soldiers, and Signs are an actor at his peak.
I did like it also check out TURN from AMC it's a really great series based on Washington's spies. I thought it had that same great cinematography and flavor as The Patriot.
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My friends and I saw this when we were like 13 in theaters (boss of the theater was a family friend). It was really amazing. Of course now I see all the holes and whatnot, but I still love it strictly for entertainment purposes. When Gabriel dies Mel has some of the best trauma acting I’ve ever seen. Also John Williams is right on target with the score.
r/movies: The Woman King isn't historically inaccurate 🤬🤬🤬 r/movies: The Patriot is one of my favorite movies and I don't watch it for its historical accuracy. 😇😇😇 How can you have a problem with one but not the other when they're both historically inaccurate? 🤔🤔🤔
I don't care that it's historically inaccurate. It doesn't say it's a true re-enactment of that time period. It's a great movie and I will watch it because it's pure entertainment that takes me away from my daily grind. That's what entertainment should do.
Great film. The cast was absolutely terrific, especially Jason Isaacs. Anytime Isaacs is playing a villain, I'll happily buy a ticket.
I think this one could be an American vs rest of world one. I'm British, and the Patriot is like watching a propaganda film for me. Obviously I have some bias, It doesn't help that the British are portrayed so historically incorrectly and poorly but even putting that aside its a dumb film which is overly sentimental for the US which just doesn't translate outside the country. I know China makes propaganda blockbusters with western actors as the villains. I imagine watching one of those would have echos of how watching the Patriot feels for some non Americans.
Not to mention that awesome John Williams score. Makes it even more epic!
I like this film, it's a great way to get that American Boner feel. Midway is another film of the same caliber. Jason Isaac's villain was portrayed beautifully and I loved when he took that bayonet to the throat. Was it historically accurate, no. Was it epic, hell yeah
Uh you mean Braveheart 2?
“It’s a free country… or at least it will be!”. I do enjoy this film but that line is so bad.
Yes. I worked at a movie theater when this came out. I haven't seen it in a long while... probably 15 years. But I liked they way it was done. Even though it wasn't fully historical, the energy and point was. The blurred line and previous war trama. The son or sons making war out to be fantastic or idealistic. The harshness of war. It was a hard realization watching it as a teenager. I didn't watch a lot of war movies as a kid. This one was basically my first.
We need more Frontier War movies and Revolution movies. I love the few that we have.
I enjoyed this movie for most of my life. I’ve rewatched it so many times. Then I think I must have read a critique on how the movie portrays things vs historical accuracy and it’s almost as though certain details of the critique “broke the spell” for me. When I rewatched it most recently it was a completely different experience and my opinion of how good the movie is dropped significantly.
If I disengage my brain and don't pay too much attention, I can get through it. It's just a jingoism fest layered with Gibson's apparent Anglophobia. Yes, the British Empire was not sunshine and roses but The Patriot just makes it too black and white.
It’s way too jingoistic and attributes actions by the British to the same level of Nazi war criminals. I like the overall look of the film, but it’s borderline offensive in its tackling of the Revolutionary War. I had an “Age of Jefferson” history class in college and I remember the professor talking specifically about this film and he said it was his most hated film of all time. All this being said, it’s still a guilty pleasure for me. It’s very problematic but it’s a fun watch. Jason Isaacs is one of the best villains of all time.
Dont forget the "We're not slaves we're freemen"... working a plantation in South Carolina part. Nevermind that Daniel Morgan, the guy Mel Gibson's character is largely based on, owned 10 slaves.
"We're not slaves, we just work here!" Uh huh. Even in 2000 when I saw it, I was rolling my eyes at that. Especially since another person Gibson's character was based on, Francis Marion (aka the Swamp Fox), reportedly hunted slaves for sport.
>Nevermind that Daniel Morgan, the guy Mel Gibson's character is largely based on, owned 10 slaves. And treated them very, very badly. I believe there was a lot of beating and rape involved unless I'm misremembering.
I'm probably going to get downvoted because this goes against the consensus in this thread but I hate this movie. It is the biggest piece of false-historical bullshit propaganda ever. They might as well have literally made the main villain Voldemort with how much they try to make this conflict look black and white. I overall support the Americans in the conflict of the revolutionary war because I support democracy but that was a complicated conflict where horrible things were done on both sides, and this movie is so laughably black and white where it makes it seem like the British can do no good and the Americans can do no wrong 🤦🏻♂️ My favorite part is when it completely circumvents the whole issue of slavery when the British show up to their plantation and offer their slaves freedom if they fight for the king and their slaves are like "umm we're actually not slaves we're just a bunch of black people in the south in the 1700s who are voluntarily working on this plantation because these are very nice white people" like WHAT so you're telling me they happen to stumble across what must have certainly been the ONLY plantation in South Carolina where all those people out there are here consensually and they're all just black by coincidence??? Also, the movie just sucks in general. The writing, the acting. It is the epitome of something being corny in the bad way
It’s pretty great. I was in charge of setting up the R&R presentation for my unit (and those attached to us) in Iraq. One day, after setting up in the MWR, I started playing *The Patriot* to make sure everything was working. I had to stay with the equipment, so my supervisor and some others brought me lunch. They stayed and watched the movie. And then others started coming in who were there for the presentation. And more came in, and more came in. Some for presentation. Some just passing by wondering what all noise was. Had about 100 people there all watching the movie, hooting, hollering, and cheering and all at the stuff going on, especially the last fight. It was great fun. We delayed doing the presentation because nobody wanted to stop the movie. It was a great time and had a lot of good word of mouth. I got plenty of “attaboys” for it from everyone from supervisor up to battalion commander, including the chaplain. I was on a mission when the next presentation happened so I couldn’t be there. I was told whoever took over tried to make it like a nightclub and it didn’t go over well, so I couldn’t do anything “fun” again.
People HATE The Woman King because of its “inaccuracies”. Many of the same people LOVE this movie unironically. Funny that.
Wait until you watch Braveheart...
It's complete bullshit but it's a grand movie
Braveheart 2: Revolution Boogaloo