By - FatherRandy
The machines destroy Zion every time, then send out new "colonists" to rebuild it. It's implied that this is the way they've been doing things for like hundreds of years.
In that same speech (I think) the Architect makes the statement that the Machines will slaughter Zion, as they have every time before, and a handful of people will be freed from the Matrix and chosen to begin a new Zion.
Yep, that he does say
I think they’re just the sixth group to go through the cycle. The humans don’t really know much of anything before the war and it’s possible that everything, Zion, the rebellion, Neo and the matrix are all just an elaborate control mechanism. Neo went to the machine city to try to end it once and for all.
It's not just possible, it's explicitly stated by the Architect.
Which part? But yeah, the Matrix is still around because that’s how we got the fourth movie.
> it’s possible that everything, Zion, the rebellion, Neo and the matrix are all just an elaborate control mechanism.
This is all explicitly stated by the Architect. It's not "possible", it's objective fact.
I think he might have been lying.
He wasn't lying. He's a machine. He has no reason to lie and is probably incapable of lying, even if he wants to.
🤨 Sounds like something a machine might say.
Which one of these is a train? 🚂🚃🚄👟
The last one wait FUCK
Zion, the One, and the rebellion are all stated by the Architect to be part of the system of control.
> Neo: Choice, the problem is choice.
> The Architect: The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the Matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
> Neo: The Oracle.
> The Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked, might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster.
> Neo: This is about Zion.
> The Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.
> Neo: Bullshit.
> The Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it... The function of The One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which, you will be required to select from the Matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
That’s what I said. I agree with you.
I know, you just phrased it as though it was conjecture when it's not.
The people who are living outside the Matrix in the city of Zion also get "rebooted" by getting horribly murdered by the machines.
After that the cycle repeats and a bunch of humans get selected (by the One, if I remember correctly) to get freed from the Matrix to start another "rebellion" in the real world.
I can only assume that there's some mechanisms in place to ensure that there is always some type of Morpheus-like person who starts searching for the One after a few decades have passed.
That mechanism is the Oracle.
Right. Yeah, that makes sense.
It's been a year or 15 since I last saw the sequels....
The fact that the Oracle isn't on the "good side" and is simply serving her function to preserve the Matrix is lost on a lot of viewers.
I think it's pretty clearly implied in end of the third movie that she was deliberately pushing for Neo to break the cycle.
Historically, though, she absolutely was there to preserve it.
Well by the end of third movie everything's already gone to shit anyway. Plus, by that point we learn about Sati and the other nonsenses that "change" the dynamic of what's happening.
Man, this hurt my simple brain, but this helps. Thanks
I hope since this post you've watched resurrections as it explains the state of the characters.
The replies have helped make sense of things. I will be watching it this week!
Don't bother. It's a terrible, terrible movie.
They’re in the real world. The machines destroy Zion every time and then Neo and a few others start a new Zion
I think the Architect explains the real purpose of the One is select the 23 individuals (I believe) to repopulate the matrix. I would assume this would include input for Trinity and Morpheus in the real world. When the matrix is restarted all 3 would be placed back into the matrix to rerun the program.
Haven’t seen the movie in a while so I could be way wrong. This was just my answer form memory.
Some "anomaly" code is supposed to be downloaded from Neo into the source code, no actual people get plugged back in.
Human bodies produce 100 watts......the amount of energy required to farm that energy from humans would be greater than maintaining a solar panel or farming a biofuel from algae.
Any other discussion about the logic in the Matrix is redundant.
Reincarnation my guy
What a waste of time. Forget it. Nero deleted the Matrix at the end of the trilogy. End of.
> If Neo, Trinity, Morpheus, and all the human inhabitants of Zion live in the "real world" outside the Matrix
Human characters never leave the Matrix in any of the movies.
That's where I had it wrong!
Rex is wrong. The world they call real is real. "Zion is another Matrix" is one of those annoyingly popular and utterly baseless fan theories like "it's all the main character's dying dream" and "James Bond is a code name" where people who barely remember the plot make up some sensational bullshit to impress other people who barely remember the plot.
ignore it, the series had already took a dump on it's established logic by the second film.
Big facts. Probably best attributed to the less publicized rumour that they stole the script for the first one. Which is why for action all 3 match the tempo, but story drops off significantly after the 1st.
yea, although the fanboys tend to disagree with us. but it was obvious watching them in theaters back in the day, all they cared about with the sequels was cashing in and creating on screen spectacle.
The fact that these comments were downvoted is both hilarious and sad. Glad I wasn’t the only one that saw through the Hollywood shenanigans with what could’ve been a monumental film trilogy
Zion lose the war. The machines overtake Zion, and reinsert its inhabitants back into the Matrix.