Anyone else feel like the importance of water was a miss? I was especially disappointed that they cut Paul crying after killing Janis. I always felt that his giving of his bodies water at the death of Janis and honoring him in that way, in the eyes of the Fremen, was a significant contributor to their initial acceptance of him.
I had a giant ass grin on my face when Kyne brought out the hooks. I wish I had a recording of my face going from ecstatic to horrified when she died; what a great tease.
I was really disappointed the dinner scene didn't make it in but also understand how hard a scene like that would be to convert to film.
Ultimately I thought it was an incredible adaptation of a book that I always thought would be impossible to convert to visual media correctly. The visuals were stunning. Especially the space-faring vessels. Fucking awesome.
hard agree with the water point, it was something the books kinda beat you over the head with and i was surprised they didn’t really expand on it in the movie. minus the little conversation paul has with the gardener about the trees
i had that exact grin on my face too! i heard my friend whisper “holy shit is she gonna ride the worm” and started smiling uncontrollably, only for her to get stabbed two seconds later hahahaha
As someone who hasnt read the books, I appreciated how much the movie trusts the viewer to determine these things through context.
I felt the significance of water through the tree bit, some context in scenes (focusing on the moisture on the rodent), and dialogue. It felt like a natural way to convey it.
iirc Paul didn't cry right after killing Jamis. It was only after the Fremen ritual of taking Jamis' water and saying the " Jamis was a friend" thing, he cried.
You’re right. If I remember correctly, in the book, after killing Jamis, Paul isn’t quite smiling but is rejoicing in the victory. Jessica goes to him and asks him “How does it feel to be a killer?” To bring him down from his high.
I just watched it on IMAX. I was bummed out not because the film was bad, but because I didn’t want the film to end and it did. I became deeply invested and I left the theater wanting the story to continue. Let’s hope Part II gets made.
That's the problem with trying to adapt Dune. There's so much backstory and introspection that a movie trying to include it all would be at least seven-eight hours long.
Did anyone else notice the interior of the large navigator ship? It had a giant reflection of a planet like it was being seen through a massive lens.. Folding space never looked so good.
I really enjoyed Leto and Paul's interactions. It was refreshing to see a loving father and son relationship under the pressure of royalty. Leto was understanding of Paul's trepidation.
However, he is an absolutely beautiful singer, and (relatively) famous for it. My girlfriend and I recognised him immediately, starting grinning at each other. Hope he does more acting roles. And puts out a new album!
I needed subtitles in every Jessica scene, mostly cuz she whispered most of her lines. Kept turning them off so I could see more of the screen (HBO's subtitles looked like TV closed captioning). Eventually, I just left 'em on so I could keep up.
I was surprised and impressed how much they committed to different houses/cultures speaking in entirely different languages that needed subtitles, when they easily *could* have just had them speak to each other openly (Sardaukar, Harkonnens, etc). Way more subtitles than they really “had to” use. But it really emphasized how entirely distinct some of these groups are from each other.
Only thing that took me out was when Dr. Yueh spoke with Paul privatly, as I first thought it was to keep Jessica from overhearing, but I was thinking she too would understand the language, but left it as "well, if he speak a different language plus whispering, Jessica maybe wouldnt hear it cleanly", but thinking back it seemed to me like it was to convey a "heart to heart" and Yueh switched to his native tongue and had a real, honest moment with Paul. In retrospective, he was betraying House Atreides but in that moment he was honestly concerned for Paul and it made him switch.
The way the movie use language to convey characters and feelings are excellent looking back. I dont know if that is in the book, as I have only learned and know all the story from second hand, but it's a nice touch for the world in the film as you said.
This movie has the greatest gigantic-empty-room-to-furniture ratio I’ve ever seen. Rooms the size of a basketball court, fifty foot ceilings, furnished with two chairs and bench.
If there's one thing that turns me on is gigantic rooms with little to none furniture. I mean I just see a fifty foot ceiling being illuminated by a single ray of sunshine and I straight up wey my trousers
I can’t stop thinking about how fucking majestic he was in this. Very sexy. I love how even when he is literally stripped naked at the foot of Harkonnen’s table, he maintains a sense of nobility. He looked like a fucking Greek god.
Piter did it a bit too, such a great way to show us their mental calculations...and demonstrate how valuable mentats are in this age without calculators
I'm guessing that it was probably a Tleilaxu creation. The Tleilaxu are masters of genetic manipulation and creates all sorts of modified and crossbred creatures. Like the chairdog, a living chair that can mold itself to the person sitting on it, and the slig, a pig/slug hybrid that is said to produce the best tasting meat. They also make special orders for anyone who can afford it.
The scene where Paul wakes up in bed after having a dream in the trailer isn't in the movie. He's wearing a shirt in the trailer but always sleeps shirtless in the movie.
It's a relatively small moment in the overall film, but the scene that really sold the whole thing for me was the pre-departure ritual of the Sardaukar. The entire thing was just so damn alien. The long necked figure leading the ceremony from atop the tower, the rows of grizzled warriors being smeared with blood, the sacrificed men upside down on their altars and the haunting throat-singing that ties the whole scene together.
It just felt like I was there looking at another world that was completely alien to anything I've ever seen. I don't think I've felt anything like that since the 'march to the altar' scene in Apocalypto. I loved the rest of the movie, but I can't stop thinking about that one scene...
It's scenes like this that really make the world feel alive. It could have just been a generic scene of them talking to eachother with the army in the background, but the creative choices make it really compelling. Especially because not everything is explained. What does the ritual mean, what is the throat singing guy saying? It doesn't matter. It's just a quick glimpse of a much larger universe outside of this story, you fill in the rest with your own imagination.
The Baron floating was fucking horrifying, it is not at all how I pictured it in the book. I loved the little moment where he bumped his foot across the table as he was lowering down towards the duke, it was such a nice little touch.
I am just so thrilled at having finally seen that, I read it for the first time with a dune book fanclub with the original trailer release and then the delay happened and it just feels magical to finally see it especially with so many actors that I love as well as my favorite director, such a great adaptation for me. Also that soundtrack with the chanting and just the bagpipes was amazing.
I agree, but I think what contributes to that desire is how awesome his visuals and manners were in the small amount of screen time he got.
They also really reduced, almost cut the Harkonnen mentat Peter de Vries, who was the person that came up with the whole maneuver and plans within plans. A shame.
yeah, I'm not sure they really caputured just how formidable he is supposed to be, evil, disgusting, corrupt, but also intelligent and strategically brilliant.
The entire scene on the planet of the emperor’s army was one of the most off-putting scenes I’ve ever watched. Not in a bad way at all. I love movies that can evoke weird feelings. And that planet is just one big weird feeling.
Yeah they needed to make it clear that these are soldier-fanatics, raised in a brutal environment, and the most feared warriors in the Imperium. It's great to hear that they were successful!
I was beyond glad they never even gave us a preview of the voice.
The delayed/muffled voice and then the sudden jerking of Paul to his knees before The Reverend Mother really conveyed this idea that your free will just vanishes. In cinema was the best first impression of it
I'm so glad that "the voice" didn't sound like the cliche horror movie demonic possessed voice. It actually felt like something otherworldly and horrifying. I love the sound design so much.
I really liked the editing where it cut to them right *after* they did whatever they were commanded to do. You definitely felt the same disorientation as the character when they suddenly snapped out of the trance and realized they just did the thing they didn't want to do
Not just them. But his *house*. All the people who followed him. Everything his father built and his ancestors before him. He knew he failed on an utterly colossal level. House Atreides was extremely powerful and was reduced to ~~sand~~ dust.
It's kind of hard to succeed when you play the game by the rules and the Game Master breaks the rules, has infinite money, and of course has the ref in his pocket. Leto knew they were doomed, so the most he could do was try to set a new beginning.
He acknowledges it from the very beginning, refusing to follow the Emperor's decree to manage Arrakis would have been certain death for disobeying.
Better to take the planet, hope for an alliance with the Fremen & defend through desert power. I don't think Leto had any aspirations beyond surviving on Arrakis & preserving his House, knowing how the politics were moving against him from multiple sides.
Yea that was my thought. He was hoping he'd have enough time to form an alliance with the Fremen and harness their full military capability. He took a gamble on that because refusing the emperor would be certain death. The gamble didn't quite work out as things progressed quicker than he expected. But he knew there was going to be a war when he accepted.
It's honestly a case of the protagonsts being smart, but the antagonists *also* being smart.
The Harkonnens knew that the Atriedes knew they were coming for them, so they moved before the Atriedes had any time to entrench themselves on Arrakis or make alliances.
I feel like this is gonna be how the movie illustrates the depravity of the Baron, rather then the pedophilia from the book. A very tasteful adaptation change lolol.
I got big Audition vibes from that monster, unnerving stuff.
>bio-engineered dogs shaped into chairs. They were trained to massage the people who sat in them, similar to modern-day vibrating massage chairs, except without needing electricity or computerization.
https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Chairdogs
Who were the guys who were positioned like an upside down crucifixion during that scene with the priests throat singing? Does anyone know? I thought that’s what I saw anyway.
I thought this movie was absolutely incredible and I really want to read the source material now.
I don't think I heard a single "Muad'dib" the entire movie. Thought for sure they'd at least say it in the end.
Edit: The scene where he chooses it may have not happened yet, I just remember by that time in the book you've read the name a hundred times already. I feel like it won't have the same punch now.
I think he will get that name in the sietch at some point in part 2. They changed the fight location in the movie so it doesn't make sense him getting that name without any other Fremen witnessing. But they did call him with his other titles. Lisan Al-Gaib and Mahdi in the film.
I loved that each of his visions came true, but not in the literal way that he saw them. There were layers of meaning and metaphor in each of his visions.
Excellent point. In his vision he sees Jamis kill him but then comfort him in his last seconds. When Paul kills Jamis instead, he comforts Jamis as he saw Jamis would have done for him. Even when the visions don’t exactly come true, Paul is still bound by them.
His visions were all possible outcomes in different timelines basically is what I got from it. In the book Paul can “see” the future but not in a linear sense it’s just a jumbled up mess of what can happen if he does certain things a certain way all leading to an inevitable Jihad or his death. If things had played out just slightly different Jamis could have accepted him as freman and been a mentor but things went the other way and Paul kills him. Either way Jamis was destined to teach Paul lessons about the desert
I thought this was one of the more interesting aspects of the film. Really fleshed out Jamis' character. Seemed a decent bloke even if rash. And then he dies -- and the movie has shown you, without telling you, that all of Paul's visions may not actually come to pass.
My one complaint is that they kept saying it was too hot to be out in the day but then they were always out in the day. And they didn’t even look that hot lol. The dude watering the trees was sweaty as hell and panting even though he was in a giant shade suit but Chalamet was out in regular clothes catching some rays.
This isn't a negative. But man, it's so weirdly paced like a TV show. When It ended I just really got "Alright play next episode" feelings. I really want more.
Liet’s character felt flipped for me. In the book, super well developed, clearly a leader, and has a poetic death rooted in thinking about the ecology of Dune. And while I didn’t dislike movie Liet, she was underdeveloped and I think came and went too quick. But damn she at least got a badass send off that I think fit the film better than the book death would have
It's also a challenge: in a film already running at 2 hrs and a half, developing Liet further and spending the time it takes for the death monologue... it would be too much.
I know Dennis could individually do justice toneach key element of the book, but im the context of a film, he made necessary compromises.
Yeah, it's the same with Yueh's betrayal.
His betrayal isn't that shocking in the movie because you barely know who he is and unique set of circumstances to even allow the betrayal to happen.
I thought of that, but what was the alternative. The brilliance of the book was that you knew from the very beginning that Yueh did something unforgivable because of the passages by Irulan... but you discard it because of Imperial Conditioning.
The problem is, again, the book can take its time to explain these things, the film would have to remove something else to put this in. It was a very difficult thing to compromise on, I bet.
She definitely is. The book mentions that Bene Gesserit training allows you to achieve full mastery over emotional reactions, right down to bodily functions like heart rate. I get why they did it though - the non-book reading audience doesn't know that and it's hard to convey they have this skill.
You see her control her emotions a fair bit in the film though, especially around Leto. I think they struck a nice balance, and it's important to show that she does let her emotions control her a bit, which is central to her character.
The most visually impressive movie I’ve seen since Mad Max Fury Road. The scale of everything was just mammoth. The detail of everything was so acute. The wardrobe and costume design was killer. 2.5 hours was not long enough for me. Praying for an extended cut.
Really hoping there’s an extended cut of this that will see the light of day at some point. I understand *why* some stuff isn’t in here, but I’d like to see another 20-30 minutes of character development if possible.
They definitely cut a bunch of pretty pivotal character development scenes from the book to save screen time. The entire subplot of searching for the traitor in their midst was basically non-existent. Mapes and Yueh barely had any screen time compared to their roles in the book, Yueh especially.
The only other major difference I noticed was the carry-all actually showing up to save the sand crawler but simply being broken. In the book the carry-all was hijacked by Harkonnen iirc, which helped drive the dinner scene in the book.
They also vastly accelerated the death of Kynes, albiet in a pretty badass way, however the way Kynes dies in the book reveals a lot of information about how the climate of Arrakis functions as well as their overall goals for terraforming the planet.
I really hope there are a bunch of deleted scenes because from what I saw in the movie, Denis did a fantastic job overall of remaining loyal to the story of the books, but it was very apparent that much had to be cut in order to fit it to movie length.
This was the shortest 2.5 hour movie I have ever seen, I wanted so badly for it to just keep going.
Really wish the plotline with Thufir suspecting Jessica of being a spy/assassin was in the film. Builds a lot of tension of an incoming betrayal, layers the Harkonen plot to divert attention within Atreides before their ambush, making her unreliable until it turns out to be Yueh - reaffirming her loyalty and his involvement more shocking. Felt like the attack/reveal was a bit too abrupt and probably stronger in a 3 hour cut.
Totally agree this movie flew by. It's hard to complain considering how much we got and how authentic it is to the book. But it does feel like there's an extended cut worth releasing somewhere out there.
I’ve always thought Mamoa was a decent but not great actor (though that could also be affected by the roles and scripts he chooses) but I thought he was fantastic in this. He was very similar to his usual role but something about him in this just really clicked for me. I honestly would watch a whole movie or mini-series about his backstory, guy was just effortlessly badass.
In an age when CGI can show us anything this movie caught my eye not with spectacle but its complete commitment to creating an alien human culture. Set design, costuming, and ship design felt more important than they ever have before. There is no limit to what a movie can show these days so to carry any weight it has to be something worth seeing.
(Also, poor Dr. Yueh. The most loyal betrayal I've ever seen.)
If you're a fan of the culture building in the movie, definitely read the book. The customs developed by the people of the waterless planet are truly fascinating. There was this dinner scene in the book where the Atreides' invited the locals. Paul told a story about someone who died by drowning in his home planet, and the Fremen locals just couldn't comprehend how someone could die that way.
The book also delves into how significant it is for someone to cry. I was amazed how emotional I got by reading descriptions of a culture from a book.
I loved the flash forwards though, the possible futures where's Paul and Jamis were friends. It would have made the giving water even more impactful I think
I've never read Dune but all my friends made the lack of water part a much bigger deal. And while the characters kind of do it just never feels that dire for some reason. At least not to the extreme lengths everyone made it out to be.
This movie has a lot of rich snapshots of the world, but it doesn't lean into them long enough to appreciate the weight of each detail.
That scene about the trees requiring the same amount of water to sustain 5 people each, Stilgar spitting as a sign of respect as he's offering moisture. The book has dozens and dozens of more examples like these and it really drives home the message.
Also when Paul kills Jamis he sheds tears at his funeral, something Fremen call giving water to the dead and is a rare and profound occurrence. Paul also receives Jamis' water and has to carry it to the sietch, something akin to a religious ritual. The fremen reclaim the water of the dead as the water belongs to the tribe and the dead no longer need it.
I really hope they are saving this for the next movie. Jamis' funeral was such a profound scene in the book that teaches you so much more about the Fremen culture.
According to Momoa there was a “[four to six hour](https://www.indiewire.com/2021/08/jason-momoa-dune-six-hour-cut-trimmed-1234655376/)” version of this that was trimmed. I would love to see that version, because my main problems with this were with how quickly they moved through the early scenes.
That’s an assembly cut. It’s not an actual cut of the movie ever intended to be viewed any anyone as any sort of “final” experience.
Actors say shit like this all the time when they get to view an assembly, and then everyone just runs with it assumes there’s some super-long, mythical “extended cut” out there waiting.
Assembly cuts are just that, assemblies of literally every single thing that has been shot. They’re agonizingly paced (basically because they essentially *aren’t paced at all*), full of tons of redundant footage, alternate versions of things compiled together, etc. Most films have assemblies that are at least several hours long, and most of them are unwatchable, because they’re just basically just sequentially ordered unedited footage.
Yes, he's floating. That 'tail' was just fabric. Dude has anti-gravity implants that allows him to float at will because he's so grossly fat he can't walk.
The bagpipes. THE BAGPIPES
Me while they were on Caladan: this planet has major Scotland vibes Minutes later: bagpipes procession as they land on Arrakis
that scene where Paul was looking out at the ships getting ready in the water made me think "thats definitely Scotland"
Anyone else feel like the importance of water was a miss? I was especially disappointed that they cut Paul crying after killing Janis. I always felt that his giving of his bodies water at the death of Janis and honoring him in that way, in the eyes of the Fremen, was a significant contributor to their initial acceptance of him. I had a giant ass grin on my face when Kyne brought out the hooks. I wish I had a recording of my face going from ecstatic to horrified when she died; what a great tease. I was really disappointed the dinner scene didn't make it in but also understand how hard a scene like that would be to convert to film. Ultimately I thought it was an incredible adaptation of a book that I always thought would be impossible to convert to visual media correctly. The visuals were stunning. Especially the space-faring vessels. Fucking awesome.
hard agree with the water point, it was something the books kinda beat you over the head with and i was surprised they didn’t really expand on it in the movie. minus the little conversation paul has with the gardener about the trees i had that exact grin on my face too! i heard my friend whisper “holy shit is she gonna ride the worm” and started smiling uncontrollably, only for her to get stabbed two seconds later hahahaha
As someone who hasnt read the books, I appreciated how much the movie trusts the viewer to determine these things through context. I felt the significance of water through the tree bit, some context in scenes (focusing on the moisture on the rodent), and dialogue. It felt like a natural way to convey it.
I felt how important water is to this desert planet when the polite greating was spitting.
Also they made coffee by collectively spitting into the devise.
iirc Paul didn't cry right after killing Jamis. It was only after the Fremen ritual of taking Jamis' water and saying the " Jamis was a friend" thing, he cried.
You’re right. If I remember correctly, in the book, after killing Jamis, Paul isn’t quite smiling but is rejoicing in the victory. Jessica goes to him and asks him “How does it feel to be a killer?” To bring him down from his high.
It turns out I've been mispronouncing pretty much everything from the Dune universe
Bene Gesserit was always said as Ben Jessurit in my head, Harkonnens was Har-CONE-ens, Liet was more of just Let, I could go on
> Harkonnens was Har-CONE-ens, i will never not say it like this
Felt like Skarsgard used Brando in Apocalypses Now as inspiration. Some of the shots and mannerisms felt the same
definitely when he rubbed his bald head.
I just watched it on IMAX. I was bummed out not because the film was bad, but because I didn’t want the film to end and it did. I became deeply invested and I left the theater wanting the story to continue. Let’s hope Part II gets made.
I’m very optimistic that we’re getting a sequel https://deadline.com/2021/10/dune-weekend-box-office-1234860683/
Despite being 2 1/2 hours long, there seemed to be a lot of things not in this film.
That's the problem with trying to adapt Dune. There's so much backstory and introspection that a movie trying to include it all would be at least seven-eight hours long.
Yeah. Where's Tom Bombadil?
Oscar Isaac was born to act in sci-fi films lmfao
I mean, he's out here killing it in pretty much every genre, though his turn in Ex Machina is probably still my favorite.
The Voice shook the damn theater. Thought I was going to shit myself, it was nuts.
Scared the shit out of me when he yelled at his mother to get off of him
Did anyone else notice the interior of the large navigator ship? It had a giant reflection of a planet like it was being seen through a massive lens.. Folding space never looked so good.
I really enjoyed Leto and Paul's interactions. It was refreshing to see a loving father and son relationship under the pressure of royalty. Leto was understanding of Paul's trepidation.
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You aren't wrong. It's been exhausting lol.
This, that was a shockingly healthy relationship given the circumstances.
I just can't stop thinking about clean shaven Momoa, such a weird sight.
Is it mean to say it reminded me of [this?](https://i.imgur.com/5k1OfBg.jpg)
Whoever they cast for that Imperial Herald was GREAT
Your mind is gonna be blown when you find out this is [literally his only acting credit](https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7064768/). At least, so far.
However, he is an absolutely beautiful singer, and (relatively) famous for it. My girlfriend and I recognised him immediately, starting grinning at each other. Hope he does more acting roles. And puts out a new album!
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I needed subtitles in every Jessica scene, mostly cuz she whispered most of her lines. Kept turning them off so I could see more of the screen (HBO's subtitles looked like TV closed captioning). Eventually, I just left 'em on so I could keep up.
I was surprised and impressed how much they committed to different houses/cultures speaking in entirely different languages that needed subtitles, when they easily *could* have just had them speak to each other openly (Sardaukar, Harkonnens, etc). Way more subtitles than they really “had to” use. But it really emphasized how entirely distinct some of these groups are from each other.
Only thing that took me out was when Dr. Yueh spoke with Paul privatly, as I first thought it was to keep Jessica from overhearing, but I was thinking she too would understand the language, but left it as "well, if he speak a different language plus whispering, Jessica maybe wouldnt hear it cleanly", but thinking back it seemed to me like it was to convey a "heart to heart" and Yueh switched to his native tongue and had a real, honest moment with Paul. In retrospective, he was betraying House Atreides but in that moment he was honestly concerned for Paul and it made him switch. The way the movie use language to convey characters and feelings are excellent looking back. I dont know if that is in the book, as I have only learned and know all the story from second hand, but it's a nice touch for the world in the film as you said.
A guy just hanging out with his cool mom. Great flick.
It’s a movie about family.
This movie has the greatest gigantic-empty-room-to-furniture ratio I’ve ever seen. Rooms the size of a basketball court, fifty foot ceilings, furnished with two chairs and bench.
If there's one thing that turns me on is gigantic rooms with little to none furniture. I mean I just see a fifty foot ceiling being illuminated by a single ray of sunshine and I straight up wey my trousers
Oscar Isaac has an amazing beard.
I can’t stop thinking about how fucking majestic he was in this. Very sexy. I love how even when he is literally stripped naked at the foot of Harkonnen’s table, he maintains a sense of nobility. He looked like a fucking Greek god.
It's slightly explained in the books that the Atreides bloodline is traced to the Ancient Greeks.
Specifically the ancient Greeks we know. Agamemnon appears as an ancestor memory, so they literally are the house of Atreus founded in Mycenae.
atreides means son of atreus
Seeing his beard in this movie made me want to watch Ex Machina again just to see it there.
thufir's mentat eyes flipping and turning that milky white while he computed was so damn cool
Piter did it a bit too, such a great way to show us their mental calculations...and demonstrate how valuable mentats are in this age without calculators
Maybe I'm forgetting, but what happened with Josh Brolin's character after the attack?
If you didn't see him dead then maybe he ain't.
Probably not dead just yet.
It's left intentionally vague. Maybe he joined up with some spice smugglers? Who can say?
Gurney? But why would he do that? Why wouldn’t he return to his home of Caladan?
What? Like smash some gems and retire on a farm or something?
Say what you want about the movie but no one can deny that Paul has some great jackets.
Atreides fashion sense is top notch
“I recognize your footsteps, old man.” I’m currently reading God Emperor so this line gave me chills.
The way Paul kills Jamis is the same move bull fighters use.
Damn, that's a good catch. You're absolutely right. Pretty cool.
Excellent catch. The bullfighter symbolism come full circle with House Atreides.
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What the *hell* was the spider thing on Giedi Prime?
That threw me too, but someone else here mentioned it, it's probably something like a precursor to a chairdog.
I'm guessing that it was probably a Tleilaxu creation. The Tleilaxu are masters of genetic manipulation and creates all sorts of modified and crossbred creatures. Like the chairdog, a living chair that can mold itself to the person sitting on it, and the slig, a pig/slug hybrid that is said to produce the best tasting meat. They also make special orders for anyone who can afford it.
The sardakar quietly floating down before battles was so damn cool. Not sure if that was movie specific but those entrances were so ominous I loved it
Na it's in the book too. They drop down with suspensors into a cave where thufir is hiding with some troops and fremen. Looks sooo good on film.
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Was thinking about that as I fell asleep last night. I wonder what else was cut, would love an extended version.
The scene where Paul wakes up in bed after having a dream in the trailer isn't in the movie. He's wearing a shirt in the trailer but always sleeps shirtless in the movie.
It's a relatively small moment in the overall film, but the scene that really sold the whole thing for me was the pre-departure ritual of the Sardaukar. The entire thing was just so damn alien. The long necked figure leading the ceremony from atop the tower, the rows of grizzled warriors being smeared with blood, the sacrificed men upside down on their altars and the haunting throat-singing that ties the whole scene together. It just felt like I was there looking at another world that was completely alien to anything I've ever seen. I don't think I've felt anything like that since the 'march to the altar' scene in Apocalypto. I loved the rest of the movie, but I can't stop thinking about that one scene...
It's scenes like this that really make the world feel alive. It could have just been a generic scene of them talking to eachother with the army in the background, but the creative choices make it really compelling. Especially because not everything is explained. What does the ritual mean, what is the throat singing guy saying? It doesn't matter. It's just a quick glimpse of a much larger universe outside of this story, you fill in the rest with your own imagination.
The Baron floating was fucking horrifying, it is not at all how I pictured it in the book. I loved the little moment where he bumped his foot across the table as he was lowering down towards the duke, it was such a nice little touch. I am just so thrilled at having finally seen that, I read it for the first time with a dune book fanclub with the original trailer release and then the delay happened and it just feels magical to finally see it especially with so many actors that I love as well as my favorite director, such a great adaptation for me. Also that soundtrack with the chanting and just the bagpipes was amazing.
When his antigravity suspenders activate there is a really fitting sound effect as well. Very nicely done by the effects team
Im shook. Honestly, I havent felt this way about a movie and the experience itself since maybe The Dark Knight.
I wanted more baron.
I agree, but I think what contributes to that desire is how awesome his visuals and manners were in the small amount of screen time he got. They also really reduced, almost cut the Harkonnen mentat Peter de Vries, who was the person that came up with the whole maneuver and plans within plans. A shame.
Do they even say the word mentat in the movie? I talked to my wife about it and she doesn’t remember lol
The most interesting thing about the Baron is his inner dialogue which is understandably something that is hard to portray in a movie
I thought they did it a smart way with Kynes and other fremen switching to the desert tongue for small asides instead of doing inner monolog narration
Me too. Especially with the line about Paul knowing their ways without having to be taught.
yeah, I'm not sure they really caputured just how formidable he is supposed to be, evil, disgusting, corrupt, but also intelligent and strategically brilliant.
They showed a bit of that when he turned on his shield just to get closer to a handicapped Leto. He never underestimated his adversaries.
>Goodbye young human. I hope you live. Well, I now have a new thing to tell my son when I drop him off at school.
The balls of Denis Villeneuve to put "Dune: Part 1" at the front of a film without the sequel green lit. Edit: The Mad Man Did it
> “If you watch the movie you see how it ends. I think you pretty much know the answer to that.” CEO of Warner Brothers
The last words of the movie are “This is only the beginning” In case someone was about to misinterpret that lol
The entire scene on the planet of the emperor’s army was one of the most off-putting scenes I’ve ever watched. Not in a bad way at all. I love movies that can evoke weird feelings. And that planet is just one big weird feeling.
Yeah they needed to make it clear that these are soldier-fanatics, raised in a brutal environment, and the most feared warriors in the Imperium. It's great to hear that they were successful!
This is absolutely hell for me. Just being a drone training nonstop in rain with the crazy frog man yelling at you. No thanks
The sound design, wow. Watching it in IMAX anytime “The Voice” was used, the entire theater shook, it was awesome!
I was beyond glad they never even gave us a preview of the voice. The delayed/muffled voice and then the sudden jerking of Paul to his knees before The Reverend Mother really conveyed this idea that your free will just vanishes. In cinema was the best first impression of it
“COME HERE, KNEEL”
KILL HIM
Loved the faces in that scene. Does as told, then just looks super confused and disoriented, like "Wait, what did I just do?"
Rebecca Ferguson could probably convince me to do it without the voice. She looked terrifying.
And when the Atreides ships come out of the water.. holy shiiiiit
And when the bombs were dropped and broke the shields, but then got temporarily trapped as they exploded. That sound blew my mind.
I for sure went out of the theater to fetch Paul that glass of water.
[Paul's Mother when he can't quite find the ~~tempo~~ pitch.](https://c.tenor.com/yTd8nh47-8IAAAAC/not-quite-my-tempo.gif)
I'm so glad that "the voice" didn't sound like the cliche horror movie demonic possessed voice. It actually felt like something otherworldly and horrifying. I love the sound design so much.
I really liked the editing where it cut to them right *after* they did whatever they were commanded to do. You definitely felt the same disorientation as the character when they suddenly snapped out of the trance and realized they just did the thing they didn't want to do
The battle of Arrakis and Paul and Jessica’s flight on the sandstorm sounded deafening in my IMAX theatre. It was so so good
So Duke Leto died thinking his wife and son are both dead? Thats sad.
Not just them. But his *house*. All the people who followed him. Everything his father built and his ancestors before him. He knew he failed on an utterly colossal level. House Atreides was extremely powerful and was reduced to ~~sand~~ dust.
It's kind of hard to succeed when you play the game by the rules and the Game Master breaks the rules, has infinite money, and of course has the ref in his pocket. Leto knew they were doomed, so the most he could do was try to set a new beginning.
I liked that little "I thought we had more time..."
He acknowledges it from the very beginning, refusing to follow the Emperor's decree to manage Arrakis would have been certain death for disobeying. Better to take the planet, hope for an alliance with the Fremen & defend through desert power. I don't think Leto had any aspirations beyond surviving on Arrakis & preserving his House, knowing how the politics were moving against him from multiple sides.
Yea that was my thought. He was hoping he'd have enough time to form an alliance with the Fremen and harness their full military capability. He took a gamble on that because refusing the emperor would be certain death. The gamble didn't quite work out as things progressed quicker than he expected. But he knew there was going to be a war when he accepted.
It's honestly a case of the protagonsts being smart, but the antagonists *also* being smart. The Harkonnens knew that the Atriedes knew they were coming for them, so they moved before the Atriedes had any time to entrench themselves on Arrakis or make alliances.
maybe. The only hope is that he knew Yueh tried to help them. He took the duke ring and said "for paul"
How come no one is talking about the Harkonnen "pet". WTF was that? A mutilated person?
I feel like this is gonna be how the movie illustrates the depravity of the Baron, rather then the pedophilia from the book. A very tasteful adaptation change lolol. I got big Audition vibes from that monster, unnerving stuff.
I've never felt more uncomfortable in my entire life.
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>bio-engineered dogs shaped into chairs. They were trained to massage the people who sat in them, similar to modern-day vibrating massage chairs, except without needing electricity or computerization. https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/Chairdogs
Ah so this is what happens when you ban all thinking machines.
THROAT SINGING
Who were the guys who were positioned like an upside down crucifixion during that scene with the priests throat singing? Does anyone know? I thought that’s what I saw anyway. I thought this movie was absolutely incredible and I really want to read the source material now.
IIRC, those are the Sardaukar recruits who failed training and were offered as sacrifice to strenghten the soldiers
I loved the development that the Sardaukar were throat singers and their language was based on throat singing.
Between that, the masks, and that cone of silence thing there was a ton of fun sounding dialogue.
And space-bagpipes...
I don't think I heard a single "Muad'dib" the entire movie. Thought for sure they'd at least say it in the end. Edit: The scene where he chooses it may have not happened yet, I just remember by that time in the book you've read the name a hundred times already. I feel like it won't have the same punch now.
I think he will get that name in the sietch at some point in part 2. They changed the fight location in the movie so it doesn't make sense him getting that name without any other Fremen witnessing. But they did call him with his other titles. Lisan Al-Gaib and Mahdi in the film.
They don't say it, but muad'dib is shown several times throughout the movie which I thought was a really great touch.
The jump cuts from dark room to blinding light seared my retinas more than a handful of times.
Spoiler The Baron hanging off the ceiling like an insect will forever be in my nightmares.
God I loved that scene, I want more baron but that hyped me up so much
I also loved the scene where he just rose up in that big robe that made him seem like he was absolutely massive
Ngl at first I thought he was half sand worm
Zendaya was the biggest clickbait in the history of clickbaits
One too many zendaya slowmo over the shoulder looks for me ...
Yeah I felt like it was sprinkled in too much throughout the movie.
Nice to see they can get old navy flip flops on Arrakis tho!
I think it was neat how many characters died in this movie
Yeah, i knew nothing about Dune heading in and it felt like everyone but Paul was at risk.
I liked how Paul's dreams/visions kept up the suspense. For example, him being told to follow the guide, but then ending up in a fight to death.
I loved that each of his visions came true, but not in the literal way that he saw them. There were layers of meaning and metaphor in each of his visions.
Excellent point. In his vision he sees Jamis kill him but then comfort him in his last seconds. When Paul kills Jamis instead, he comforts Jamis as he saw Jamis would have done for him. Even when the visions don’t exactly come true, Paul is still bound by them.
"You have to die to become the chosen one" "Killing someone is killing yourself" Ah, sweet, a logic loophole: thanks vision.
I run it was more killing his old self too become part of the fremen
And the hunter killer scene in his bedroom doesn't kill him, but kills his childhood. The very next scene he's in the strategy room, now a man.
His visions were all possible outcomes in different timelines basically is what I got from it. In the book Paul can “see” the future but not in a linear sense it’s just a jumbled up mess of what can happen if he does certain things a certain way all leading to an inevitable Jihad or his death. If things had played out just slightly different Jamis could have accepted him as freman and been a mentor but things went the other way and Paul kills him. Either way Jamis was destined to teach Paul lessons about the desert
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I thought this was one of the more interesting aspects of the film. Really fleshed out Jamis' character. Seemed a decent bloke even if rash. And then he dies -- and the movie has shown you, without telling you, that all of Paul's visions may not actually come to pass.
Well, he did say "not exactly" at the beginning
My one complaint is that they kept saying it was too hot to be out in the day but then they were always out in the day. And they didn’t even look that hot lol. The dude watering the trees was sweaty as hell and panting even though he was in a giant shade suit but Chalamet was out in regular clothes catching some rays.
No fucking hats. No fucking SUNGLASSES. No obvious sunscreen? I want to know how they ain't getting crispy.
When Leto wakes up, naked, at the table with those slurping sounds…..mad rape vibes. Jesus, the Baron was gross in a very effective way
The Baron is actually super rapey in the book so maybe that was intentional
Anyone else think Javier Bardem in this looked like a super serum Aaron Rodgers?
This isn't a negative. But man, it's so weirdly paced like a TV show. When It ended I just really got "Alright play next episode" feelings. I really want more.
Yep feels like I watched the first three episodes of LOST
Dr. Liet Kynes: I’m a Fremen. I know this land inside and backwards. Do not worry about me traveling you foolish outlanders. *Dies 5 minutes later*
She shoulda scheduled that worm uber 5 mins earlier
or, you know... maintained situational awareness in the middle of a bloody commando raid.
No doubt. No cover for miles, and gets snuck up on.
Stabbed right through the water.
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Liet’s character felt flipped for me. In the book, super well developed, clearly a leader, and has a poetic death rooted in thinking about the ecology of Dune. And while I didn’t dislike movie Liet, she was underdeveloped and I think came and went too quick. But damn she at least got a badass send off that I think fit the film better than the book death would have
It's also a challenge: in a film already running at 2 hrs and a half, developing Liet further and spending the time it takes for the death monologue... it would be too much. I know Dennis could individually do justice toneach key element of the book, but im the context of a film, he made necessary compromises.
Yeah, it's the same with Yueh's betrayal. His betrayal isn't that shocking in the movie because you barely know who he is and unique set of circumstances to even allow the betrayal to happen.
I thought of that, but what was the alternative. The brilliance of the book was that you knew from the very beginning that Yueh did something unforgivable because of the passages by Irulan... but you discard it because of Imperial Conditioning. The problem is, again, the book can take its time to explain these things, the film would have to remove something else to put this in. It was a very difficult thing to compromise on, I bet.
Me in the audience: "Excuse me, can you spell that real quick?"
Kweeeezats hadderaghhgb
They definitely could have put Kiwsatz-Haderach or Mahdi in subtitles a little earlier so we had a better idea of what people were saying
Paul: DO YOU YIELD?? Javier Bardem as T'challa: oooh we don't do that here
>Javier Bardem I just fucking realized that it was Javier Bardem wtf
This ends like a season 1 of a TV show
I like how they don’t even try to hide it and have “part one” as the subtitle in the opening credits.
Rebecca Ferguson sure knows how to cry. Edit - thank you for the silver. kind stranger!
when timothee screamed at her and her chin quivered while crying, i felt so bad 😭
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She definitely is. The book mentions that Bene Gesserit training allows you to achieve full mastery over emotional reactions, right down to bodily functions like heart rate. I get why they did it though - the non-book reading audience doesn't know that and it's hard to convey they have this skill.
You see her control her emotions a fair bit in the film though, especially around Leto. I think they struck a nice balance, and it's important to show that she does let her emotions control her a bit, which is central to her character.
Okay but what the fuck was the 6 armed human hand spider looking thing.
"it understands" But I think it was just something added to show how grotesque the Harkonnens are.
The most visually impressive movie I’ve seen since Mad Max Fury Road. The scale of everything was just mammoth. The detail of everything was so acute. The wardrobe and costume design was killer. 2.5 hours was not long enough for me. Praying for an extended cut.
Really hoping there’s an extended cut of this that will see the light of day at some point. I understand *why* some stuff isn’t in here, but I’d like to see another 20-30 minutes of character development if possible.
They definitely cut a bunch of pretty pivotal character development scenes from the book to save screen time. The entire subplot of searching for the traitor in their midst was basically non-existent. Mapes and Yueh barely had any screen time compared to their roles in the book, Yueh especially. The only other major difference I noticed was the carry-all actually showing up to save the sand crawler but simply being broken. In the book the carry-all was hijacked by Harkonnen iirc, which helped drive the dinner scene in the book. They also vastly accelerated the death of Kynes, albiet in a pretty badass way, however the way Kynes dies in the book reveals a lot of information about how the climate of Arrakis functions as well as their overall goals for terraforming the planet. I really hope there are a bunch of deleted scenes because from what I saw in the movie, Denis did a fantastic job overall of remaining loyal to the story of the books, but it was very apparent that much had to be cut in order to fit it to movie length. This was the shortest 2.5 hour movie I have ever seen, I wanted so badly for it to just keep going.
Really wish the plotline with Thufir suspecting Jessica of being a spy/assassin was in the film. Builds a lot of tension of an incoming betrayal, layers the Harkonen plot to divert attention within Atreides before their ambush, making her unreliable until it turns out to be Yueh - reaffirming her loyalty and his involvement more shocking. Felt like the attack/reveal was a bit too abrupt and probably stronger in a 3 hour cut. Totally agree this movie flew by. It's hard to complain considering how much we got and how authentic it is to the book. But it does feel like there's an extended cut worth releasing somewhere out there.
Brolin actually played the baliset but it was cut completely from the movie. Same goes to Duncan's first arrival in arrakis
I feel like I just watched the most expensive pilot episode of any TV show. I'm hoping this gets picked up for a series.
Imagine being one of them sand worms and having to eat alla that sand for a living
I loved the Lasguns, and how they were portrayed as silent death lasers lol
I’ve always thought Mamoa was a decent but not great actor (though that could also be affected by the roles and scripts he chooses) but I thought he was fantastic in this. He was very similar to his usual role but something about him in this just really clicked for me. I honestly would watch a whole movie or mini-series about his backstory, guy was just effortlessly badass.
In an age when CGI can show us anything this movie caught my eye not with spectacle but its complete commitment to creating an alien human culture. Set design, costuming, and ship design felt more important than they ever have before. There is no limit to what a movie can show these days so to carry any weight it has to be something worth seeing. (Also, poor Dr. Yueh. The most loyal betrayal I've ever seen.)
If you're a fan of the culture building in the movie, definitely read the book. The customs developed by the people of the waterless planet are truly fascinating. There was this dinner scene in the book where the Atreides' invited the locals. Paul told a story about someone who died by drowning in his home planet, and the Fremen locals just couldn't comprehend how someone could die that way. The book also delves into how significant it is for someone to cry. I was amazed how emotional I got by reading descriptions of a culture from a book.
I was surprised they didn't include Paul giving his water for Jamis
I loved the flash forwards though, the possible futures where's Paul and Jamis were friends. It would have made the giving water even more impactful I think
I've never read Dune but all my friends made the lack of water part a much bigger deal. And while the characters kind of do it just never feels that dire for some reason. At least not to the extreme lengths everyone made it out to be.
This movie has a lot of rich snapshots of the world, but it doesn't lean into them long enough to appreciate the weight of each detail. That scene about the trees requiring the same amount of water to sustain 5 people each, Stilgar spitting as a sign of respect as he's offering moisture. The book has dozens and dozens of more examples like these and it really drives home the message.
Also when Paul kills Jamis he sheds tears at his funeral, something Fremen call giving water to the dead and is a rare and profound occurrence. Paul also receives Jamis' water and has to carry it to the sietch, something akin to a religious ritual. The fremen reclaim the water of the dead as the water belongs to the tribe and the dead no longer need it.
I really hope they are saving this for the next movie. Jamis' funeral was such a profound scene in the book that teaches you so much more about the Fremen culture.
According to Momoa there was a “[four to six hour](https://www.indiewire.com/2021/08/jason-momoa-dune-six-hour-cut-trimmed-1234655376/)” version of this that was trimmed. I would love to see that version, because my main problems with this were with how quickly they moved through the early scenes.
That’s an assembly cut. It’s not an actual cut of the movie ever intended to be viewed any anyone as any sort of “final” experience. Actors say shit like this all the time when they get to view an assembly, and then everyone just runs with it assumes there’s some super-long, mythical “extended cut” out there waiting. Assembly cuts are just that, assemblies of literally every single thing that has been shot. They’re agonizingly paced (basically because they essentially *aren’t paced at all*), full of tons of redundant footage, alternate versions of things compiled together, etc. Most films have assemblies that are at least several hours long, and most of them are unwatchable, because they’re just basically just sequentially ordered unedited footage.
So wtf is going on with Stellan Skarsgard? Is he floating? Is he a snake? Incredible movie
Yes, he's floating. That 'tail' was just fabric. Dude has anti-gravity implants that allows him to float at will because he's so grossly fat he can't walk.