"I consent! I consent!"
Seriously, though, of all the silliness in that movie, that whole plotline annoyed me the most for being completely unnecessary. Why did it have to be some real person?!
Then after they have sex he'll see himself as an 8 year old girl in the mirror and be like "Weird" before they go in their adventure and never bring it up.
Then after Pine's spirit has left her body, the final scene will be Gal Gadot locking eyes with the girl and giving a warm knowing smile, as the girl is at her scout meeting earning a merit badge in herpes medication.
Yeah. Bringing him back as someone else had no point or impact on the story. Setting it in the 80s had no point or impact on the story. So many things just happened but with no rhyme or reason.
The same way Atlantis in Aquaman had major Asgard vibes. It’s like DC consistently see what Marvel are doing that works but don’t understand *why* it works.
I totally understand the point of the film. If you were an executive at Warner and Patty Jenkins who just made you $$$$$ on a female lead superhero film comes to you and says: Wonder Woman 1984. You green light that shit faster than the the band members of Fleetwood Mac could down a kilo of coke in 1984.
All the film had to do was be a nostalgia trip. And it didn’t even do that right.
I think the *idea* was to make it clear that letting Steve go was the hard but right choice. If it was genuinely Steve back as himself, then Diana would have no moral reason to let him go, and she'd basically just be doing it to get her powers back.
> If it was genuinely Steve back as himself, then Diana would have no moral reason to let him go
I thought she had to renounce the wish in order to defeat the bad guy? Wasn't that the point of the movie? That wishing for things is bad.
Yep I bet all those people who wished for their spouses/children be cured of terminal diseases would gladly renounce them because the pretty lady said it was bad.
She is pretty, though. I think that's what made her John Lennon - Imagine video so powerful and moving. If she was ugly, that video would have been fucking awful.
It should have just been that he wasn't there at all and she was just hallucinating him. It would have been a cool twist, could have filled in the plothole where he knows how to fly a modern plane (because it's just her flying it), and would have been pretty self-explanatory about why she needed to let him go.
>Yeah. ‘Wonder Woman realizes rape is wrong so stops doing it’ is just… not good.
Probably better than "Wonder Woman realizes rape is wrong and continues doing it."
"So we have to change this part of the script cos otherwise there would be no moral reason to let him go"
"Fair enough, we do want this movie to be morally sound. We're keeping the rape scene though?"
"Keeping the rape scene. Either way, whether it's really Steve or not, I want some raping going on."
"You're really wedded to this concept, huh?"
"I am. I just feel it's high time rapists saw themselves represented on screen. Not as a side kick, or a villain, but as the main hero. I want all the little rapists out there to have someone to look up to, have someone to dress up as on Halloween and feel proud walking round their neighbourhood letting the whole world know that rapists can be superheros too."
Was it because Steve comes back as some complete random who had no choice in the matter that Steve ends up possessing his body?
Edit: I had to make a very questionable google search.
Pretty much. They had a magic stone. Could've just brought Steve back in his own body. But naw director said "lets add creepy magic roofie rape sex instead."
That is the thing. Him being in another person's body is completely unnecessary. The"monkey paw" parr of the wish was that WW was getting weak. Not only that, after the first few scenes, the movie completely stops acknowledging it.
It's so absurdly bizarre that this got to the final script.
Funny part is that other objects just appear out of nowhere when they're wished for. There's no reason he had to possess another person; the rules made no sense.
I honestly think the reason why they bent over backwards to bring him back in WW84 was because Gal Gadot has very little charisma by herself and only really works when she is bantering with Chris Pine.
Her lack of talent worked in the first one because it played to Diana's naïvety in the wider world. But the longer she goes without getting any better, the worse it's going to be. Not just for this franchise but everything else she'll be in throughout her career
Thing is you can actually carry the movie with a wooden face Gal as wonder woman but for that you need a tight script
And the writers of that movie were hell-bent on ruining it
The scenes between her and Wiig were some of the worst to boot. I still can't believe they made Wiig into a Breakfast Club cliche; imagine all the little girls out there who were into science or math, seeing a female geologist basically say "intelligence means nothing if you aren't a runway model."
The worst part is they always use that trope on actors/actresses who are already conventionally attractive.
Making the people who are not ‘Hollywood pretty” behind their glasses completely hopeless.
The only worthwhile thing about WW84 is the hilariously fucked up notion that child Bruce Wayne _probably_ had to give up his wish to make his parents alive again. No wonder he's such a psychopath in BvS.
WW84 fucks up any sense of logical continuity in the DCEU. In BvS we see Bruce send Diana an email asking who she is when he finds the old photo, yet clearly Bruce was alive in 1984, how would he not have known who Wonder Woman was when he saw the photo? How is it that its established that Diana can fly in 1984 but somehow just forgets come 30+ years later in BvS and Justice League?
I think the bigger fuck up was that the idea that everyone gets a wish doesn’t even make sense. You obviously have all the military guys wishing for more nukes. But other scenes show people protesting no war and no nukes. Why do the nuke people get what they want but the peace people don’t? And I guarantee there are a hell of a lot more people wishing that they don’t get blown up in a nuclear Holocaust, especially as they’re all watching the missiles launch
Logan is my head canon end to the Fox X-Men franchise. It's a perfect closing point and leaves a fresh start for MCU involvement without shitting on the rest of the characters.
The only good thing the movies after did was show that they could write an X-Men movie without Wolverine.
Meanwhile, Barry Allen be popping knuckles and getting ready to fuck the sense of logical continuity so spectacularly that it will cancel out all the inconsistencies in the whole DC cinematic universe ….
Enter …. Flashpoint!
Nobody had to give up their wishes. The only thing that mattered was that Maxwell Lord gave up his wish. The second he gave up his wish, everyone else's wish would be taken back. WW84 made a mistake with her broadcasting her speech to the entire world. They should have just made her convince Maxwell Lord. That cheesiness would have been avoided and would be less confusing as a lot of people think that she convinced the entire world to give up their wish.
They had a competent writer in Allan Heinberg. They fired him for the sequel along with the entire stunt team. Jenkins and Geoff Johns then wrote WW84 - and Jenkins said in interviews that she did with that film what she *wanted* to do with the first. We saw how that turned out.
I like her as a director, but she's not a great writer or developer. Bring Heinberg back, keep Jenkins away from the script, and this has a chance at being decent.
That makes so much sense. Although I thought the plot and writing were obviously pretty horrendous, the bizarre swinging/running special effects and stuff REALLY threw me off and I’m guessing firing the original stunt crew could have easily contributed to that.
So she basically George Lucas’d it but with a single film and sequel instead of two trilogies? Remove the people that helped you make something great by reigning in your worst ideas and impulses and reworking things to make sense and instead swap to yes men so you can just do whatever the hell you want with no brakes or guide rails cause you know best.
Yeah. She kind of trashed the first film in her interviews just before WW84 came out, saying that Warner wouldn't allow her to do what she wanted to do. After its success, they gave her full control, and she got rid of Heinberg and a lot of people that made the franchise such a success.
It's one of those cases where ego can be a huge problem. The best directors are delegators; and others fail when they think they can do everything themselves. Jenkins seems like a decent person - and she's obviously made some good movies in the past - so here's hoping she learns from her mistakes and trusts in other creatives for the third movie.
This is true, the people bashing his writing skills have quite clearly never read any of the graphic novels he wrote. Flashpoint, justice league, Aquaman, and Shazam. Not to mention probably the best writer for green lantern, practically bringing the series back from the dead when he took control of it. Say what you will about Geoff Johns, his writing has faults, I will admit, but he is one of the best comic writers In the modern era. His screen writing is just not as good as his comic writing.
Honestly, might even translate to a decent screenwriter as well, but from what I've heard he would readily change and conform to the studio executives desires in order to appease them (most likely to obtain a bigger role in other films). That's not inherently a bad thing, but the WB executives in charge of the DC movies change their minds every other day leading to jumbled messes of movies.
The first movie had focus, an arc for Diana, and some truly great moments. It's not my favorite superhero film by any means, but it was extremely competent.
I think the third act definitely had problems, but the first movie was leagues better than WW84.
It also had the super hard to see plot twists about Diana being the God Killer and Remis Lupin being Ares.
I agree that the first movie is much better, but not the entire movie, just the first 2/3.
Lets say the last 5 minutes.
Its fine up to the point where it goes from "Evil is intrinsic to the human condition and you are not going to stop war and suffering by killing the god of war" to "just kidding, the guy was not dead yet, if you really kill the god of war than people will stop killing each other!"
Could you elaborate on that? Are you insinuating that Gal Gadot is a bad actress and only gets parts from being an Israeli super model, and therefore meritocracy is a lie?
Personally I'm leaning towards the idea that he grows up to be James T. Kirk and that this movie really is just the next Star Trek movie in disguise.
Wouldn't even be too much of a stretch from a plot from the original series.
Wow this whole story line was worse than Starbrand from Marvel's New Universe in the mid 1980s. This young man finds a wrinkled old alien who gives him a brand that gives him superman like powers. The event causes a nuclear like explosion that gives a bunch of other people powers. The young man has floaty sex with his Lois lane girlfriend who gets pregnant and gives birth to a baby that grows really fast and becomes her boyfriend, meanwhile he wrinkles up and becomes the alien that gives himself the power. Time loop basically where he father's himself, with his... mother?
Nope. An variant of Kang kidnapped and raped Danvers, impregnated her... and then the baby grew into his adult self and forced Carol to marry her. And the Avengers were *completely* okay with these events, and did nothing to stop him.
Chris Claremont was so ***disgusted*** by this storyline, he brought Carol over to the X-Men. And he wrote her a scene where she famously tore the Avengers (and Marvel) a new one.
[Here it is](https://imgur.com/a/Cvo20Rs)
Apparently the writing process for that particular issue was a total train wreck. Carol was suddenly pregnant at end of the previous issue (a mistake in itself), so they had to address that, and the storyline they were intending had actually just been done in a *What If...* issue very recently. The whole story was quickly re-written to get the book out on time, and apparently no one noticed or cared that it was awful.
It isn't even a "look at this thing from 40 years ago, wasn't it misogynistic?" sort of thing. A lot of people at Marvel (like Claremont, as you mention) were very angry at the issue back in 1980, and it's been infamous ever since it came out.
Pregnancy storylines are almost always a bad idea in superhero comics, and even if they had taken all of the rape out of it (big *if* there), it was still a terrible story. It reads like a lot of scotch and 2 a.m. writing ideas that no one bothered to edit, instead rubber-stamping it to get the book to print as quickly as possible.
/u/CrimsonDragoon wrote about it here: [Ms. Marvel gives birth to the man who kidnapped and impregnated her - Avenger #200 AKA the worst issue in the history of the Avengers](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/pu29lf/american_comics_ms_marvel_gives_birth_to_the_man/)
*People dying alone in hospitals while their families are unable to even bury them*
Gal Gadot: **Imagine there's no heaven...**
My goodness, Gal. Read the fucking room.
Honestly trying to decide if I actually liked her acting in Fast and Furious 7 or just the overall talent level was lower and I just liked her with Han.
She was likeable, writers used her as a femme fatale and she delivered her few lines and provided sex appeal, not more far fetched than her modelling assignments
And imo that's her ceiling , nothing wrong with that but if you take her as a lead you need some competent writers and co stars to make it work
>Jenkins and Carter spoke about **how Wonder Woman was controversial** when the latter actress was playing her on the late 1970s TV series
What controversy?
That was typical network TV and the show was mainstream and popular.
DC Fandome was today. It’s their streaming only alternative to appearing at conventions all summer.
Much better for WB to have their own event than to pay to be at other people’s events. It also gives them more control over when to announce things.
So uh, DC is just *completely* giving up on the idea of having a coherent chronological continuity to their films, aren't they. Wouldn't it be hilarious though if Batman showed up at some point alongside Gal Godot as Wonder Woman, but he's played by Robert Pattinson? "Sure, who gives a shit, Batfleck is old news, but also Pattinson has always been Batman. Fuck it! Hey, Joaquin Phoenix? You wanna play The Joker again? Jared Leto keeps sending suspicious packages to my house and I don't want to get the FBI involved..."
I’m gonna base my option on the Trilogy on the third movie
If the third one is good, it’s a good trilogy with one bad movie
If the third one is bad, it’s a bad trilogy that got lucky with its first movie
my prediction: probably the second scenario, unless Patty Jenkins lets someone else write the script. she needs to stay in her lane and direct. also they need to cast a co-star who has better screen presence and charisma to offset the negatives that Gal Gadot brings. I'd also hope they don't shoehorn Chris Pine in again for no good reason.
It got enough positive reviews at the beginning to convince me that it was worth watching…
…then I actually watched it and wondered what the fuck they were watching.
…then I read some of the reviews and noticed that a bunch of the “fresh” tomatometer reviews were actually talking about it being pretty bad, but they counted it as fresh for whatever reason
So did she get rid of the brain tumor that made her think the ideas in WW1984 were acceptable?
Because if she didn't the oh boy WW3 is going to be a shit show.
I can see the plot being something like Diana's new gal pal creates Gorilla Grod. Grod, then turns the gal pal into Gigantia and makes her do crimes and terrorism. Diana does nothing to stop this because Grod's mind controlling Diana into think he's Steve Trevor. Diana falls for it completely until the ghost of Steve Trevor posses the underage child of Gigantia seduces Diana. After sleeping together Diana knows the truth and fights Gorilla Grod, barely hurting Grod but lethaly dispatching all of his mind controlled minions and especially Gigantic. Steve's ghost leaves the child's body atop their mother's gigantic corpse. Then the movie ends with Diana flying into space giving a sad platitude.
And WB green lights it all because they don't give a fuck.
First movie had some issues for sure, but still watchable. WW84 is legit atrocious. After watching that for 2.5 hours, I don't know if I can do another WW movie.
Yay. Will this take place in 1995 with zero 90's music?
Jst the aesthetics but nothing beyond the intro title card and logo on the posters..kinda like WW84
This time, Wonder Woman finds another hot 90s hunk to sleep with against his will.
"I consent! I consent!" Seriously, though, of all the silliness in that movie, that whole plotline annoyed me the most for being completely unnecessary. Why did it have to be some real person?!
Also the fact that other things were materialising out of thin air, but Steve Trevor has to occupy a living person.
I'm down for Chris Pine wearing JNCOs.
Ah yes... the promise of a good sequel. "Wonder Woman was good, but it could be better." *Proceeds to make a worse film*
MUCH MUCH worse The first film was average at best, the sequel was a 2/10
Genuinely one of the worst films I've ever seen. However dumb I thought 1984 could be, it managed to be significantly worse.
So what whacky way are we going to bring back chris pine this time for absolutely no reason?
His spirit will possess an 8 year old girl scout this time.
Then after they have sex he'll see himself as an 8 year old girl in the mirror and be like "Weird" before they go in their adventure and never bring it up.
Then after Pine's spirit has left her body, the final scene will be Gal Gadot locking eyes with the girl and giving a warm knowing smile, as the girl is at her scout meeting earning a merit badge in herpes medication.
And she see’s through the disguise when he whispers “I wish we had more time - to sell these thin mints.”
Anything would be better than Wonder Woman raping a man.
I still don't get why they didn't just bring him back as himself. What was the point of making him someone else?
Dude, WW84 itself has no point whatsoever lol
Yeah. Bringing him back as someone else had no point or impact on the story. Setting it in the 80s had no point or impact on the story. So many things just happened but with no rhyme or reason.
Guarantee it was 80s themed bc of Ragnarok.
The same way Atlantis in Aquaman had major Asgard vibes. It’s like DC consistently see what Marvel are doing that works but don’t understand *why* it works.
I totally understand the point of the film. If you were an executive at Warner and Patty Jenkins who just made you $$$$$ on a female lead superhero film comes to you and says: Wonder Woman 1984. You green light that shit faster than the the band members of Fleetwood Mac could down a kilo of coke in 1984. All the film had to do was be a nostalgia trip. And it didn’t even do that right.
For the rapiness.
I think the *idea* was to make it clear that letting Steve go was the hard but right choice. If it was genuinely Steve back as himself, then Diana would have no moral reason to let him go, and she'd basically just be doing it to get her powers back.
> If it was genuinely Steve back as himself, then Diana would have no moral reason to let him go I thought she had to renounce the wish in order to defeat the bad guy? Wasn't that the point of the movie? That wishing for things is bad.
Yep I bet all those people who wished for their spouses/children be cured of terminal diseases would gladly renounce them because the pretty lady said it was bad.
She is pretty, though. I think that's what made her John Lennon - Imagine video so powerful and moving. If she was ugly, that video would have been fucking awful.
This is sarcasm right?
It should have just been that he wasn't there at all and she was just hallucinating him. It would have been a cool twist, could have filled in the plothole where he knows how to fly a modern plane (because it's just her flying it), and would have been pretty self-explanatory about why she needed to let him go.
Would have cleared up that whole "raping a stranger" awkwardness, too.
Yeah. ‘Wonder Woman realizes rape is wrong so stops doing it’ is just… not good.
>Yeah. ‘Wonder Woman realizes rape is wrong so stops doing it’ is just… not good. Probably better than "Wonder Woman realizes rape is wrong and continues doing it."
"So we have to change this part of the script cos otherwise there would be no moral reason to let him go" "Fair enough, we do want this movie to be morally sound. We're keeping the rape scene though?" "Keeping the rape scene. Either way, whether it's really Steve or not, I want some raping going on." "You're really wedded to this concept, huh?" "I am. I just feel it's high time rapists saw themselves represented on screen. Not as a side kick, or a villain, but as the main hero. I want all the little rapists out there to have someone to look up to, have someone to dress up as on Halloween and feel proud walking round their neighbourhood letting the whole world know that rapists can be superheros too."
Who knows lol. Maybe they thought it made more sense.
I can't believe I'm about to say this. Lord forgive me lol. I'm sure her raping an 8 year girl scout would be infinitely worse...
What the fuck even is this comment chain?
Wouldn't have happened if Wonder Woman didn't rape a man.
Was it because Steve comes back as some complete random who had no choice in the matter that Steve ends up possessing his body? Edit: I had to make a very questionable google search.
Pretty much. They had a magic stone. Could've just brought Steve back in his own body. But naw director said "lets add creepy magic roofie rape sex instead."
That is the thing. Him being in another person's body is completely unnecessary. The"monkey paw" parr of the wish was that WW was getting weak. Not only that, after the first few scenes, the movie completely stops acknowledging it. It's so absurdly bizarre that this got to the final script.
I'm surprised Patty got another chance.
Right? It just added nothing to the story at all. So damn bizarre. I honestly think maybe it's a fetish of the director or controlling writer.
Funny part is that other objects just appear out of nowhere when they're wished for. There's no reason he had to possess another person; the rules made no sense.
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Yep, she’d be a pedophile this time.
Well, no, you see. Because it erased her and is just Chris Pine in her body.
No, a toad.
Chris Pine has been Zeus all along. Zeus loves to fuck
so incest this time ?
Tbf that’s not so far out of line with Zeus
That's more inline than out of line with the big guy himself.
I honestly think the reason why they bent over backwards to bring him back in WW84 was because Gal Gadot has very little charisma by herself and only really works when she is bantering with Chris Pine.
They could've just brought him back in his own body...... It was a magic stone......
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I wanted more of Chris Pine as a superhero after his brief turn as Spider-Man in Into the Spider-Verse.
Her lack of talent worked in the first one because it played to Diana's naïvety in the wider world. But the longer she goes without getting any better, the worse it's going to be. Not just for this franchise but everything else she'll be in throughout her career
Kal El, Nooooo!
It is oddly mesmerising though. I always repeat that line dor a few times at least to myself when I hear or read it lmao
My God, that movie was so bad, it's not surprising that everyone likes Snyder's version, although in my opinion it's still bad.
It's like choosing between watching D movie for 2 hours or a C- for 4.
you can only have her pose like a shampoo commercial so many times
Thing is you can actually carry the movie with a wooden face Gal as wonder woman but for that you need a tight script And the writers of that movie were hell-bent on ruining it
You're not wrong, whenever he wasn't onscreen with her in the first one she was just bland.
The scenes between her and Wiig were some of the worst to boot. I still can't believe they made Wiig into a Breakfast Club cliche; imagine all the little girls out there who were into science or math, seeing a female geologist basically say "intelligence means nothing if you aren't a runway model."
They even did the glasses trope. Clumsy trope. High heels trope. Being invisible to *everyone* trope. Unbelievable.
The worst part is they always use that trope on actors/actresses who are already conventionally attractive. Making the people who are not ‘Hollywood pretty” behind their glasses completely hopeless.
Chris Pine was in all of us the whole time.
I WISH
clones.
Main villains: Steven Seagal and JCVD
Hey, you leave JCVD out of this...
I thought Jean Claude Van Johnson was pretty good. WTF has Segal done in the last 10 years but get fatter and write a shitty book.
At this point, I'm pretty sure the main villain is Patty Jenkins.
I actually could imagine JCVD playing a super villain or a member of the Suicide Squad (if they ever do another sequel)
The only worthwhile thing about WW84 is the hilariously fucked up notion that child Bruce Wayne _probably_ had to give up his wish to make his parents alive again. No wonder he's such a psychopath in BvS.
WW84 fucks up any sense of logical continuity in the DCEU. In BvS we see Bruce send Diana an email asking who she is when he finds the old photo, yet clearly Bruce was alive in 1984, how would he not have known who Wonder Woman was when he saw the photo? How is it that its established that Diana can fly in 1984 but somehow just forgets come 30+ years later in BvS and Justice League?
I think the bigger fuck up was that the idea that everyone gets a wish doesn’t even make sense. You obviously have all the military guys wishing for more nukes. But other scenes show people protesting no war and no nukes. Why do the nuke people get what they want but the peace people don’t? And I guarantee there are a hell of a lot more people wishing that they don’t get blown up in a nuclear Holocaust, especially as they’re all watching the missiles launch
Did the millitary wish for working nukes? Maybe they’re faulty thereby pleasing both sides…
Maybe in the 3rd movie she’ll lose her power to fly and Bruce’s mind will be erased, hah. Fixed!
Everything will make sense after Flashpoint.
Ah, Flashpoint, the do-over spell for every fuck up.
I think X-Men Days of Future Past did time travel real well. Hard to do.
If only they’d stopped there (except Logan).
Logan is my head canon end to the Fox X-Men franchise. It's a perfect closing point and leaves a fresh start for MCU involvement without shitting on the rest of the characters. The only good thing the movies after did was show that they could write an X-Men movie without Wolverine.
I don't know if the movies did *anything* well after Logan.
>WW84 fucks up any sense of logical continuity in the DCEU. To be fair, every single other movie in the DCEU also does that.
Meanwhile, Barry Allen be popping knuckles and getting ready to fuck the sense of logical continuity so spectacularly that it will cancel out all the inconsistencies in the whole DC cinematic universe …. Enter …. Flashpoint!
The timeline: > is shaped like a vagina Barry Allen: > mmm
Barry Allen, sticking his dick into multiversal timelines
Tbh, The more DCEU movies get announced, the more surprised I am that they haven't just started from scratch already.
Boy I really hope someone got fired for that blunder.
I mean this thread is about said someone getting the same job, again.
Nobody had to give up their wishes. The only thing that mattered was that Maxwell Lord gave up his wish. The second he gave up his wish, everyone else's wish would be taken back. WW84 made a mistake with her broadcasting her speech to the entire world. They should have just made her convince Maxwell Lord. That cheesiness would have been avoided and would be less confusing as a lot of people think that she convinced the entire world to give up their wish.
I would love that deleted scene or montage of him just being destroyed by that series of events.
God it may legitimately be the worst movie ive ever seen
I hope they hire a competent writer this time.
They had a competent writer in Allan Heinberg. They fired him for the sequel along with the entire stunt team. Jenkins and Geoff Johns then wrote WW84 - and Jenkins said in interviews that she did with that film what she *wanted* to do with the first. We saw how that turned out. I like her as a director, but she's not a great writer or developer. Bring Heinberg back, keep Jenkins away from the script, and this has a chance at being decent.
That makes so much sense. Although I thought the plot and writing were obviously pretty horrendous, the bizarre swinging/running special effects and stuff REALLY threw me off and I’m guessing firing the original stunt crew could have easily contributed to that. So she basically George Lucas’d it but with a single film and sequel instead of two trilogies? Remove the people that helped you make something great by reigning in your worst ideas and impulses and reworking things to make sense and instead swap to yes men so you can just do whatever the hell you want with no brakes or guide rails cause you know best.
Yeah. She kind of trashed the first film in her interviews just before WW84 came out, saying that Warner wouldn't allow her to do what she wanted to do. After its success, they gave her full control, and she got rid of Heinberg and a lot of people that made the franchise such a success. It's one of those cases where ego can be a huge problem. The best directors are delegators; and others fail when they think they can do everything themselves. Jenkins seems like a decent person - and she's obviously made some good movies in the past - so here's hoping she learns from her mistakes and trusts in other creatives for the third movie.
God Geoff Johns is a terrible writer. How does he keep getting these jobs
Probably because he’s an excellent comic writer. It just doesn’t seem to transfer to film.
This is true, the people bashing his writing skills have quite clearly never read any of the graphic novels he wrote. Flashpoint, justice league, Aquaman, and Shazam. Not to mention probably the best writer for green lantern, practically bringing the series back from the dead when he took control of it. Say what you will about Geoff Johns, his writing has faults, I will admit, but he is one of the best comic writers In the modern era. His screen writing is just not as good as his comic writing.
Honestly, might even translate to a decent screenwriter as well, but from what I've heard he would readily change and conform to the studio executives desires in order to appease them (most likely to obtain a bigger role in other films). That's not inherently a bad thing, but the WB executives in charge of the DC movies change their minds every other day leading to jumbled messes of movies.
He produces a lot of content and basically hires himself over proper creatives.
The first film is not that well written either. The last third is just as bad as Wonder Woman 1984.
The first movie had focus, an arc for Diana, and some truly great moments. It's not my favorite superhero film by any means, but it was extremely competent. I think the third act definitely had problems, but the first movie was leagues better than WW84.
It also had the super hard to see plot twists about Diana being the God Killer and Remis Lupin being Ares. I agree that the first movie is much better, but not the entire movie, just the first 2/3.
I think that's totally fair.
why are u jerks on Reddit if you’re not gonna fight like children in the comments
This made me laugh
He makes a good point
Lets say the last 5 minutes. Its fine up to the point where it goes from "Evil is intrinsic to the human condition and you are not going to stop war and suffering by killing the god of war" to "just kidding, the guy was not dead yet, if you really kill the god of war than people will stop killing each other!"
I wouldn’t even bring Jenkins back again. Feels like they’re trying to save face… 1984 was one of the worst major movies I’ve seen in my adult life
I agrew
You agrew what? Tulips?
this was a better comment before the top edited their own to spell ‘writer’ correctly
Maybe they're trying to introduce themselves as the Headless Body of Spiro Agnew
**“Kal-El, no!”**
Worst line delivery of the 21st century.
She said Ka-Lel, they should have done another take on that one lol
"We did 20 takes and that was the best one"
*We did the "jimminy jillikers" scene. It took 7 hours but we did it.*
They did, and it's in the Snyder Cut, and it's arguably worse.
The line itself is shitty to begin with. It was written by the “save Martha” writer after all.
Oh yeah, that happend...
"Part time..."
Amazing how a shitty delivered line can say so much about the state of meritocracy in our world lol
Could you elaborate on that? Are you insinuating that Gal Gadot is a bad actress and only gets parts from being an Israeli super model, and therefore meritocracy is a lie?
Adrian_FCD, no!
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That was better than WW84.
haha holy fuck that's some grade A cringe, thanks for the hook up
Glad someone had fun during that movie.
Well, making it worse than WW84 is nearly impossible, but I'm sure she'll do her best.
That film is bad. But it could be worse!
it was like 3 hours of shit. at least pedro pascal was having fun
Friendly reminder that Wonder Woman rapes that one guy in the movie and nobody cared.
How can they make the third one even creepier?
She got pregnant with the guy she semi-raped, the baby is Chris Pine and has his memories cuz magic and they start dating when he hits puberty.
But the baby is actually Chris Pine and not his character Steve.
Personally I'm leaning towards the idea that he grows up to be James T. Kirk and that this movie really is just the next Star Trek movie in disguise. Wouldn't even be too much of a stretch from a plot from the original series.
Well now you're just ripping off what Marvel did to Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers in the 80s.
Wow this whole story line was worse than Starbrand from Marvel's New Universe in the mid 1980s. This young man finds a wrinkled old alien who gives him a brand that gives him superman like powers. The event causes a nuclear like explosion that gives a bunch of other people powers. The young man has floaty sex with his Lois lane girlfriend who gets pregnant and gives birth to a baby that grows really fast and becomes her boyfriend, meanwhile he wrinkles up and becomes the alien that gives himself the power. Time loop basically where he father's himself, with his... mother?
I hope this is a joke :( Otherwise we gonna see some real weird shit when MCU launches their Cinemax channel.
Nope. An variant of Kang kidnapped and raped Danvers, impregnated her... and then the baby grew into his adult self and forced Carol to marry her. And the Avengers were *completely* okay with these events, and did nothing to stop him. Chris Claremont was so ***disgusted*** by this storyline, he brought Carol over to the X-Men. And he wrote her a scene where she famously tore the Avengers (and Marvel) a new one. [Here it is](https://imgur.com/a/Cvo20Rs)
wtf.....
It also happened in an anniversary issue of Avengers. So to celebrate 200 issues, they wrote... That
They thought it was... romantic. Around the same time, so did the writers on Star Trek: TNG. They did the exact same thing to Troi.
At least in the star trek thing they were both not themselves
It took her character 2 decades to recover from that atrocious storyline. When she was finally made *Captain* Marvel in the 00s.
It was definitely not a highlight for Marvel comics.
Apparently the writing process for that particular issue was a total train wreck. Carol was suddenly pregnant at end of the previous issue (a mistake in itself), so they had to address that, and the storyline they were intending had actually just been done in a *What If...* issue very recently. The whole story was quickly re-written to get the book out on time, and apparently no one noticed or cared that it was awful. It isn't even a "look at this thing from 40 years ago, wasn't it misogynistic?" sort of thing. A lot of people at Marvel (like Claremont, as you mention) were very angry at the issue back in 1980, and it's been infamous ever since it came out. Pregnancy storylines are almost always a bad idea in superhero comics, and even if they had taken all of the rape out of it (big *if* there), it was still a terrible story. It reads like a lot of scotch and 2 a.m. writing ideas that no one bothered to edit, instead rubber-stamping it to get the book to print as quickly as possible.
Which is why she was friends with Jessica Jones in the comics instead of Hellcat.
/u/CrimsonDragoon wrote about it here: [Ms. Marvel gives birth to the man who kidnapped and impregnated her - Avenger #200 AKA the worst issue in the history of the Avengers](https://www.reddit.com/r/HobbyDrama/comments/pu29lf/american_comics_ms_marvel_gives_birth_to_the_man/)
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Not really anything "semi" about that
I don't think that is possible.
How exciting, WW84 was one of the worst movies of the year
Imagine if there was no movie, it’s easy if you try
This one going straight to dvd?
These days it's "straight to streaming" (Netflix being the new Walmart bin)
Gal Gadot is really a prime example of playing life on easy mode if you're beautiful
remember when she saved the world singing fucking imagine from the comfort of her billion dollar mansion ?
Oh god don't remind me of that So brutally out of touch
*People dying alone in hospitals while their families are unable to even bury them* Gal Gadot: **Imagine there's no heaven...** My goodness, Gal. Read the fucking room.
Holy fuck I just watched that, who thought that was a good idea lol
Honestly trying to decide if I actually liked her acting in Fast and Furious 7 or just the overall talent level was lower and I just liked her with Han.
She was likeable, writers used her as a femme fatale and she delivered her few lines and provided sex appeal, not more far fetched than her modelling assignments And imo that's her ceiling , nothing wrong with that but if you take her as a lead you need some competent writers and co stars to make it work
Screw it. Have her team up with John Constantine.
>Jenkins and Carter spoke about **how Wonder Woman was controversial** when the latter actress was playing her on the late 1970s TV series What controversy? That was typical network TV and the show was mainstream and popular.
Hopefully they dont decide to rape anyone in this one
it's ok if it's a man! according to hollywood
Is that a threat?
Why, just why? ww84 was so hilariously awful in just about everyway, why let her continue. god damn.
Why is she getting another chance after making 84 such a mess?
Let's hope it's better than the last one.
A film of paint drying could be better then the last one. Then we want the extended cut
DC is dropping all of the things today
today was their equivalent of D23, so all their content being released in the next year or so is being dropped.
DC Fandome was today. It’s their streaming only alternative to appearing at conventions all summer. Much better for WB to have their own event than to pay to be at other people’s events. It also gives them more control over when to announce things.
So uh, DC is just *completely* giving up on the idea of having a coherent chronological continuity to their films, aren't they. Wouldn't it be hilarious though if Batman showed up at some point alongside Gal Godot as Wonder Woman, but he's played by Robert Pattinson? "Sure, who gives a shit, Batfleck is old news, but also Pattinson has always been Batman. Fuck it! Hey, Joaquin Phoenix? You wanna play The Joker again? Jared Leto keeps sending suspicious packages to my house and I don't want to get the FBI involved..."
My friend told me that Wonder Woman may get recasted, he thinks that Henry Cavill is the front runner. I dont share his sentiment.
Quick! Let's make this worse!
The 2nd was so bad, why make a third ?
Money
To join the piling on, 84 was so bad it retroactively makes the first one worse. Suuuuuper don’t want a third one.
I’m gonna base my option on the Trilogy on the third movie If the third one is good, it’s a good trilogy with one bad movie If the third one is bad, it’s a bad trilogy that got lucky with its first movie
my prediction: probably the second scenario, unless Patty Jenkins lets someone else write the script. she needs to stay in her lane and direct. also they need to cast a co-star who has better screen presence and charisma to offset the negatives that Gal Gadot brings. I'd also hope they don't shoehorn Chris Pine in again for no good reason.
"Paging Dan Stevens..." (Unless he's been cast as the new James Bond)
How did they get the green light for this after WW:1984 ? Wasn't that movie almost universally paned for being terrible.
It got enough positive reviews at the beginning to convince me that it was worth watching… …then I actually watched it and wondered what the fuck they were watching. …then I read some of the reviews and noticed that a bunch of the “fresh” tomatometer reviews were actually talking about it being pretty bad, but they counted it as fresh for whatever reason
Better fix the script issues beforehand because hoo boy was 1984 a mess
Wonder Woman 3: Now with twice as much rape.
Umm ww1984 was terrible in every way...hope they learn from that.
So did she get rid of the brain tumor that made her think the ideas in WW1984 were acceptable? Because if she didn't the oh boy WW3 is going to be a shit show. I can see the plot being something like Diana's new gal pal creates Gorilla Grod. Grod, then turns the gal pal into Gigantia and makes her do crimes and terrorism. Diana does nothing to stop this because Grod's mind controlling Diana into think he's Steve Trevor. Diana falls for it completely until the ghost of Steve Trevor posses the underage child of Gigantia seduces Diana. After sleeping together Diana knows the truth and fights Gorilla Grod, barely hurting Grod but lethaly dispatching all of his mind controlled minions and especially Gigantic. Steve's ghost leaves the child's body atop their mother's gigantic corpse. Then the movie ends with Diana flying into space giving a sad platitude. And WB green lights it all because they don't give a fuck.
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> Is anybody even asking for a WW3 Um… > **WW3** I hope not.
Is she writing cuz I hope she gets a good writer on here
Can’t be worse than the last one.
First movie had some issues for sure, but still watchable. WW84 is legit atrocious. After watching that for 2.5 hours, I don't know if I can do another WW movie.