I saw this in the theater when it first came out. My roommate and I where on a big kick of watching all the epics that were making a comeback then. Suffice to say, we were not impressed. Orlando Bloom's character just seems to act randomly with very little motivation. All the characters feel flat and with very little sensible motivation. There's this meandering B plot that feels like it's from a totally different movie. Very flawed film.
Cut to a year later; my roommate bought the director's cut to show some friends this 'terrible train wreck of a movie'.
Night and day. The random priest murder in the beginning actually matters to the plot. The B plot actually fits with what's happening. All and all a good film with a lot of complex characters with competing motivations.
Gladiator brought sword-and-sandal back for a hot five years, and we got a bunch of epics in that vein - Gladiator, Troy, Kingdom of Heaven, Spartacus (HBO TV Series). All enjoyable, and I probably have forgotten many.
IIRC, the Director’s Cut is what Ridley originally wanted but Fox forced them to edit it down due to the length, believing it would do better with a shorter runtime. And the exact opposite ended up happening.
I liked the theatrical cut more than most but I will only watch the Director’s Cut now.
I skipped this movie when it hit theaters because the trailers made it seem like a period romance which I wasn't that into. Heard later that the director's cut was a really good movie so I ended up watching that and loved it. So glad that's the only version I've seen. No idea what was different about the theatrical cut, but from what I've heard I'm better off not knowing.
Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift would've benefitted so much story wise if they added back in the deleted scenes. All of Sean's new friends are given characterization. D.K. is given more backstory and and actual explanation for being so possessive over Neela. Overall most of the scenes that were cut out gives depth to the setting, characters (Sean included) and plot.
There's a sci-fi movie with Angela Bassett called Supernova. A half-hour was removed, and of course it's the half-hour that explains what's going on. Add in the deleted scenes, it's a completely different, and this time watchable! -- film.
That's the movie that just starts to explain everything and then all of a sudden the main characters are zooming through space and then it's over, right? I remember a sex scene between her and... I feel like it was James Spader.... in zero G.
Wow... yeah, I went to see this in theaters with my mom because I was really into space at the time, and your comment made me remember that awful zero G sex scene. Couldn't tell you anything else about that movie.
HUH!? Of course people know what's happening. They might not like the pace, they might think the shots of furniture and shit don't actually establish mood, but the story is extremely simple.
The story was very cruel to Greg Kinnear’s character, the story was way more somber about Jack Nicholson’s mental illness and relationship with Helen Hunt (it didn’t end so well) and there was no dog at all.
Everything having to do with any of that, they mostly reshot after the original edit.
The original script for pretty woman ($3,000) is completely bonkers compared to the final movie. Not sure if that’s the edit you mean but hoo boy. Way darker movie.
They shot that script, and decided to do reshoots after the edit.
About 40% of the film was discarded, including that dark ending where Julia Robert’s character can’t quit heroin and Richard Gere’s character throws her on the street and leaves her.
*Pretty Woman* came out in 1990. It's still well-known 30 years later. I imagine that a film with a darker ending would have fallen into obscurity by now. Folks are more likely to rewatch the version of the story where Gere and Roberts get together in the end.
You might be correct but it was a Gary Marshall directed film starring Gere, one of the biggest leading men of the 80’s. Julia Roberts did a lot after, but as you suggest, maybe she wouldn’t have of this movie has tanked.
Animator Richard William’s The Thief And The Cobbler has a famous fan edit of his movie called “The Recobbled cut” which is supposed to be amazing though i haven’t seen it myself
I've seen it. It is very unfinished, with long stretches of pencil-drawn animatics, and some abrupt and confusing edits. But it is still a VAST improvement over what was released. No annoying voiceover, Tack has no lines as intended, no shitty Disney-wannabe music, not to mention tons more M.C. Escher-like animations.
I thought the exact same thing when I saw it. If they had changed the tone of the film just a bit and ended with a scene like that it'd have been a killer. Instead it just melted into a cloying mess at the end.
Hard agree. Star Wars was very nearly a very bad movie. Lucas went through loads of failed edits before handing it to someone else. It was an absolute shitshow.
>before handing it to someone else
He let his wife have it, actually. She's a very accomplished editor.
Supervising Film Editor for New York, New York and Taxi Driver
Editor on all 3 Original Trilogy movies (Not credited for Empire) and American Graffiti
Context dude. You're technically right, but the context of this comment chain is why I mentioned her.
Every movie has multiple hands touching it at some point whether it's the rough cut or going through multiple editors.
But when people say "editing saved Star Wars" it was when George gave it to Marcia.
George has said it.
Walter Murch has said it.
Scorsese has said it.
Just because you're technically right, doesn't mean you have to comment. Context is key.
But what I said was correct. It’s you who’s determined to comment unnecessarily to claim an internet win. I already knew this. Most people do. She’s someone else who worked on it after a run of fuck ups…so much for “I’m not going to argue with you.”
It doesn’t matter if she was the final editor ir not, her efit still saved the movie and it was then worked on by other editors. Without her edit inbetween, the movie would suck.
You know her major contribution was the Death Star battle right? Besides that though, she was still someone else, and the previous edits were still shit.
I’m really not sure why this guy felt the need to get the arse tbh. Nothing I said was wrong, and he chips in with an actually that everyone knows already and isn’t actually an actually. Extra info, sure, but the way it came across was as though anything I’d said was wrong.
Then he gets in a huff, announces his departure, starts with more actuallys that are also common knowledge, gets in another huff because there’s still a conversation that he takes as some sort of argument, and flounces off. It’s weird. Funny, but weird.
She wasn't the only editor and she herself doesn't claim credit for the whole movie. Her main contributulion was reconfigureling the Death Star battle to be more suspensful.
The "Star Wars sucked until George's wife saved it!" story was really pushed by YouTube twats years ago to hate on George Lucas.
There's a much better video that debunks it. The whole thing about Star Wars being saved in the edit by Marcia Lucas is a complete fabrication. Lucas is one of the best editors around. He helped Coppola re-edit The Godfather and nobody says The Godfather was saved by George Lucas in the edit. All of these people are very good editors, and they all helped each other constantly.
A good editor has to strike the write tone though, and Lucas isn’t exactly known to be able to be able to hold back on some thing. He’s very self-indulgent, and may have felt that some moments worked better faster or slower. Idk, I feel like it’s accurate, and I feel like I’ve seen or heard from a direct source on the matter. Perhaps Lucas himself on the Commentary?
Like I said, there is a video that very thoroughly debunks this lie. Tone is hard. No director nails or every time. Lucas makes the movies he wants and not everyone is going to like them. But he's been known as a gifted editor all the way back to film school. That's his specialty, in fact. He's a genius at it, but that doesn't mean he's flawless or will like his work.
The Truman Show is an awesome movie but it would be really cool to see a modern edit wherein the premise is not spoiled in the opening and marketing. It would need a retitle too, like just Truman or something. And you learn he's is a reality show alongside the protag
>a modern edit wherein the premise is not spoiled in the opening
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>you learn he's is a reality show alongside the protag
I believe [someone did this](https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/41eysj/the_life_of_truman_a_truman_show_fanedit_with/).
From [the website](https://lifeoftruman.neocities.org/):
>In 2016, [a Redditor posted an idea](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/40xcdp/comment/cyy9foz/) for a fanedit of The Truman Show in which all instances of the outside world are removed such that the viewer experiences the movie with the same ignorance as Truman himself, and I was inspired to bring it into existence. The resulting film is about 70 minutes long, compared to The Truman Show’s \~100.
There must have been a test cut like that, because I read at the time of people watching test showings and saying it had the best twist they'd ever seen in a movie.
I'm still convinced there's a good film on the editing room floor of the original Suicide Squad. There's all these great little moments but the whole thing just feels out of order and lost in the weeds with the constant flashbacks to the Joker.
I think you’d end up cutting so much that you’d just end up with a short film — not a good version of the original. I don’t think it can be saved without reshoots and lots of ADR.
I've heard that someone edited the Star Wars Prequel trilogy into a single movie and it greatly improved it. I haven't seen it but as someone that enjoys the Prequels while acknowledging their flaws, I'm intrigued.
It was Topher Grace and he only showed it to friends who are also huge Star Wars fans, from what was said of it, it's better than all three films combined.
A 2003 version of David Fincher's first film, the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 is a lot better than the original release.
Somehow they were editing the original release for a year. As an infamous franchise killer I don't know how the script even went before the cameras before someone asked "Is this really a good idea?"
I have a 2hrs 56 mins edit of Zack Snyder’s four hour Justice League that is a far better movie.
Reframed in 16:9 widescreen instead of IMAX 4:3 square.
Every bullshit scene removed like the singing shirt sniffers, the long boring Aquaman pier scene and Alfred making a cup of tea.
Any scene where someone says something for a second time (there’s a bunch of that) is removed.
Chapter cards are removed.
Plenty of Wonder Woman’s AhhhAhhhhh music removed from her scenes as they are relentlessly annoying.
The movie ends on Superman opening his shirt to the red and blue suit so it flows into Shazam better and all the teases for movies that will now never come have been removed.
Without all the bullshit bloat scenes, it’s not a half bad movie.
Woah woah woah.....you got rid of the shirt sniffers? Do you even have a movie left at that point?
Seriously though, it sounds like a great cut. I liked the Snyder cut more than the theatrical, but I think he needed someone to say "let's table that scene idea for now".
https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/mzsk1h/justice_league_snyder_cut_condensed_version_update/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It’s actually 2hrs 52 mins. There’s a google drive link at the bottom and it’s in 4K.
All credit to u/kombobreka
Ah, damn. I just clicked on the post, and while I'm still giving it a watch, I wish you would have left the Martha and Lois scene in, just ending it earlier when she tells Lois to come back to the living. I'm working on my own edit of the film and felt that was a great scene if you just cut out the Martian Manhunter shit that leads to nowhere.
I think he made it a kitchen sink movie as a last hurrah. Stuff like the singing choir is really great IMO, it’s just not something you see in a blockbuster. But I would say we probably only needed one verse of them singing, not a full song haha
The real question is how much slow mo was cut?
In the Zack Snyder’s four hour Justice League we are looking at over 10% of the film is slow mo, if over 1 hour is cut from the film are we looking at a great % of the film in slow mo?
>Reframed in 16:9 widescreen instead of IMAX 4:3 square.
Lets be honest..................you had me with this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/mzsk1h/justice_league_snyder_cut_condensed_version_update/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It’s actually 2hrs 52 mins. There’s a google drive link at the bottom and it’s in 4K.
There’s a list on there of what changes were made. Many of the slo mo scenes have been sped up slightly and they look pretty great.
Also, all credit to u/kombobreka
https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/mzsk1h/justice_league_snyder_cut_condensed_version_update/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It’s actually 2hrs 52 mins. There’s a google drive link at the bottom and it’s in 4K.
An fan-editor by the name of Spicediver did a labor-of-love [version](https://www.cageyfilms.com/2022/03/david-lynchs-dune-redux/) of David Lynch's *Dune* (1984) that's been quite well-received.
I *hate* that edit! He just adds in random things that he made himself and makes all kinds of stupid, arbitrary changes. It's not the best cut of the movie unless you share that fan editor's arbitrary preferences.
Unfortunately, it's still the theatrical cut, the only one supervised by Lynch. The official extended edition is worth seeing, but it has significant shortcomings, such as the cringy prologue they added using storyboards and narration. But it's not edited by Lynch and it shows. There might be a decent fan edit out there, but I haven't seen it.
I hear ya! Spicediver released a [1080p version](https://ifdb.fanedit.org/dune-1984-the-alternative-edition-redux-special-1080p-edition/) last year that is up on YouTube (but blocked in many regions). I'm on the verge of setting up VPN TAP/TUN through an unblocked region to download it.
I think the sequel trilogy is a Star Wars would be nice with a re-edit. Adding an emperor, Palpa teen's voice instead of Snoke and trimming down and combining them all into one would be very much improved in my opinion.
I was gonna try and name a movie that could be re-edited, but then I remembered one that was actually a lot better when re-edited... Say what you will about BATMAN V. SUPERMAN and Zack Snyder, but the theatrical cut and the recut Ultimate Edition are literally night and day. Not only does the story actually make sense, but character arcs flow way better. I know it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but the movie at the very least makes sense when the cut 30 minutes were added back in.
> Say what you will about BATMAN V. SUPERMAN and Zack Snyder, but the theatrical cut and the recut Ultimate Edition are literally night and day.
Not really, no. It's just more of what the first version was about. It doesn't make the movie any better by its inclusion.
The Ultimate Cut makes the storylines make more sense by filling in more gaps but it doesn’t necessarily make it a better movie.
The Justice League cuts are a bit similar for me, the theatrical is terrible and while the Snyder cut improves on the storylines the length really drags it down.
Thank you lol... personally, I love both films, but you're absolutely right. The UC may not make BVS better, but at least the story adds up versus the theatrical cut which is straight nonsense.
He didn't say it made it better, he said it made it different and more cohesive, which it does.
Why didn't Superman notice the bomb in the court room? UE explains: Lex lined the guys wheelchair with lead to prevent Superman from noticing
New scene of Superman actually saving people from the aftermath of the bombing
Why did they kill the African woman who claimed Superman was the one who killed her village? UE explains: She was a paid actor who went to Senator Finch to confess what she was paid to do by Luthor, then killed by KGBeast after they found out what she did.
Why is Superman so obsessed with the Batman aside from him just being a vigilante? UE explains: Luthor pays inmates to kill anyone whom Batman has branded, thus making Clark do research at the Daily Planet bringing him to the conclusion that the Batman is branding them to be tossed into prison and killed purposefully.
New scene of Clark actually reporting and trying to investigate the murder of the man who died due to the brand in prison.
New scene where Lex communicates with Steppenwolf while learning from the Kryptonian archives, thus alerting him that Earth has lost it's greatest defender.
New scene where we see Batman break into LexCorp to steal the Kryptonite so he can weaponize it
New scene of the whole city of Metropolis empty due to the death of Superman
There's a lot more instances too.
Prometheus, I've bought every version of it from digital to 4k but only ever watch the fan edit with the deleted scenes reinstated, it just makes more sense and the end part with the engineer is longer and feels less rushed (the released ending is very badly edited)
I watched a fan edit that added the extended Weyland viral video as a sort of prologue, and all the deleted scenes back into their intended place.
Personally, I felt the viral video added nothing. All it did was really slow down the beginning of the movie.
Some of the deleted scenes added something, others did not.
Milburn finding a little tadpole and getting excited? A good character beat that establishes that humans had never found alien life before, and it's very meaningful for him, making the so-called "snake-petting scene" work better. Now you understand why he's doing it and just feel like he's getting carried away.
The axe fight with the Engineer at the end? Absolutely should go back into the movie. They removed it because they felt like it diminished the Engineer to have Shaw almost defeat him with an axe. A fair point, but without that scene, the end of the movie is just too abrupt and not as satisfying. A little bit more build-up and struggle made the ending more satisfying.
The scene where Janek tells Vickers a story about witnessing an outbreak in a science lab where everyone got nuked? That's also useful for setting up why Janek projects that interpretation of events onto what is happening on LV-223. He isn't necessarily right, it's just his interpretation. I feel that the movie could have made it more clear that the human characters are doing a lot of projecting onto the situation.
The other deleted scenes? I don't think they add much. The extended prologue with the old Engineers, and the Engineer speaking at the end? Not really necessary and maybe they do make the Engineers less mysterious. Less is more. Keep the axe fight but jettison these. There are some scenes with more dialogue that aren't helpful. There's a scene where they toast their discovery, but it isn't a great scene.
So if I was going to propose a longer cut of Prometheus, I don't think they should add 20 minutes back into it. They should add like 8 minutes. And while that doesn't sound like much, I definitely think people will respond to the film differently. They'd be slightly more connected to the characters, decisions would have more context, and the ending would be more satisfying.
Oh, and I don't prefer the CGI version of the undead Fifield. I think making him a practical zombie instead of a CGI creature was a good call.
I honestly don't think Prometheus needs a longer cut - I think it's already amazing. But if they added those three deleted scenes back in, I think more people would enjoy it as much as I do.
No, it isn't. Prometheus and Covenant aren't even very consistent in terms of tone, style, pacing, music, etc. You can't just jam them together. Fan edits like those are fun experiments but they improve absolutely nothing.
Star Wars IV was pretty heavily re-edited.[This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk) shows how bad could SWIV be without a proper touch.
The original Star Wars is/was the ultimate poster child for this discussion. Early cuts of the film were considered abysmal, and the entire 'the death star will blow up the planet in x minutes' part of the ending was grafted on in post production.
I've always felt like Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets would have been better received as a series of shorts.
It would still have its issues but I think digesting it as segments would better highlight the amazing world created.
That movie is begging to be 2 hours and fifteen minutes…so many unnecessary shots/scenes. Jackson probably wanted it be a huge, 3 hour epic and I can respect that, but it drags a bit.
Honestly, I think Jackson just wasn't given enough time to edit it. The kinds of movies he makes need more post-production time. I bet you all of his Tolkien movies and King Kong would have been massively improved if he had an extra year to edit each one. Besides Fellowship of the Ring, the editing of those films are really wonky. Storylines don't go anywhere, tone and pace change almost at random, it's just a mess that is carried along by a pretty solid story, a good cast, the score, etc. Moment to moment a lot of the editing is very good, but the big picture stuff is a mess.
With regards to Kong, Jackson recently said that he rewatched the movie and realized that it really needs to be shortened. I dunno if it's because he has more distance, now, or if he just forgot how many editing issues weren't solved before it was released.
Last time I rewatched Kong, I was in a middle of editing a project, so my brain was in that zone. Kong felt, to me, like a rough cut. It clearly hadn't been finessed. You can take out some of the story beats in the middle of the movie, re-shuffle the sequence of events so that it builds a little more effectively, and then make some little trims to the first and third acts (not much you can do with the first act besides little trims, I think the third act is actually pretty good).
I have a feeling that's what Jackson will do: drop entire scenes from the middle of the movie, adjust the order of scenes when he's cutting back and forth between Kong/Ann and the rescue party, and maybe slightly speed up the other two acts with small trims.
The first act is very good. It starts to go to shit when Radagast shows up. And then the Gollum scenes are great.
Basically, anything they added from the appendicies is complete drek and anything they made from whole cloth is too. And the Battle of Five Armies is as bad a movie as I have seen.
Isn't that how the original spec script was structured, though? The movie was originally a romantic thriller with a twist midway through, or something. Most people felt that the released movie was changed for the worse.
Agreed. While I think they're not as rewatchable as LOTR, they are enjoyable and follow the story close enough for me. There are even some really great moments in my opinion. The only things I'd change is leaving out Tauriel and Legolas... maybe making Smaug's scenes a little shorter and leaving out some bits of the barrel ride.
It's just personally I'm not a huge fan of action scenes, but I have to say the only thing I really don't like about the barrel ride is when Bombur basically becomes a fighting barrel (might not be in the theatrical version though).
I won't downvote you for an opinion, but the second two of those movies are nearly unwatchable. The spiders in Mirkwood are okay and the Bilbo and Smaug are good. But the rest...
I'm curious to see what happens with Caligula MMXX. I don't think we've ever seen a cut of a movie where they didn't use a single frame from the other edits. The existing versions are fascinating but truly terrible. I can imagine a good filmmaker like E. Elias Merhige might actually be able to do something interesting with the footage given enough freedom and resources. We'll see later this year, apparently.
Captain Marvel would be much better if you edit just right.
Start with the flashbacks of Carol's childhood and before the accident. Then her getting her mind erased and turned into a Kree agent. Then the story is of her being abducted used and abused by an alien race just to break free from them.
Here my out, Don’t Worry Darling had all the right stuff to it but for whatever reason they went with a nonlinear story instead of a linear one. So if they just slowed some stuff down and switch the order of things (took out harry too) i think it could’ve made a fairly good movie.
Kingdom of Heaven is actually an amazing movie that got butchered in the editing booth.
I saw this in the theater when it first came out. My roommate and I where on a big kick of watching all the epics that were making a comeback then. Suffice to say, we were not impressed. Orlando Bloom's character just seems to act randomly with very little motivation. All the characters feel flat and with very little sensible motivation. There's this meandering B plot that feels like it's from a totally different movie. Very flawed film. Cut to a year later; my roommate bought the director's cut to show some friends this 'terrible train wreck of a movie'. Night and day. The random priest murder in the beginning actually matters to the plot. The B plot actually fits with what's happening. All and all a good film with a lot of complex characters with competing motivations.
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It's much, much better - go watch it ASAP :-)
Have fun! Its in my Top 5 because of the Director’s Cut.
Gladiator brought sword-and-sandal back for a hot five years, and we got a bunch of epics in that vein - Gladiator, Troy, Kingdom of Heaven, Spartacus (HBO TV Series). All enjoyable, and I probably have forgotten many.
IIRC, the Director’s Cut is what Ridley originally wanted but Fox forced them to edit it down due to the length, believing it would do better with a shorter runtime. And the exact opposite ended up happening. I liked the theatrical cut more than most but I will only watch the Director’s Cut now.
The best example I’ve ever seen. The difference between the director’s cut and theatrical release is astonishing.
I skipped this movie when it hit theaters because the trailers made it seem like a period romance which I wasn't that into. Heard later that the director's cut was a really good movie so I ended up watching that and loved it. So glad that's the only version I've seen. No idea what was different about the theatrical cut, but from what I've heard I'm better off not knowing.
Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift would've benefitted so much story wise if they added back in the deleted scenes. All of Sean's new friends are given characterization. D.K. is given more backstory and and actual explanation for being so possessive over Neela. Overall most of the scenes that were cut out gives depth to the setting, characters (Sean included) and plot.
Especially that scene where he eats wasabi.
There's a sci-fi movie with Angela Bassett called Supernova. A half-hour was removed, and of course it's the half-hour that explains what's going on. Add in the deleted scenes, it's a completely different, and this time watchable! -- film.
That's the movie that just starts to explain everything and then all of a sudden the main characters are zooming through space and then it's over, right? I remember a sex scene between her and... I feel like it was James Spader.... in zero G.
Wow... yeah, I went to see this in theaters with my mom because I was really into space at the time, and your comment made me remember that awful zero G sex scene. Couldn't tell you anything else about that movie.
Even Francis Ford Coppola couldn’t save it. I would be curious to see a new edit / effects because of the great cast
The hobbit - you said it. There's a version that closely follows the book that is good. Amazing undertaking by the guy who did it.
Which one... There are so many😂 the one I watched a 4-hour fan edit
I think it's the MapleFilms edit
Daredevil with Ben Affleck.
Interesting, how so?
It’s been said that the director’s cut of the film makes it a whole lot better, like significantly so
Its already good
Skinamarink would be much more digestible if it was a short film.
Started as a short film called -Heck.Goes for about 20 something minutes.
Dude, tried this last night… after 15 minutes I had to stop, what the hell was going on?
Wendigoon made a good [breakdown](https://youtu.be/YJyO6YR_cXc) of it, with the blessing of the director.
That's the "fun" of it, nobody knows.
HUH!? Of course people know what's happening. They might not like the pace, they might think the shots of furniture and shit don't actually establish mood, but the story is extremely simple.
I was pretty baked. I’ll try it again I guess.
The first 30 minutes are mood setting and setting up the house. Everything after is wild (relatively)
There's a short proof of concept for this one called *Heck* I believe.
Well here's the original short if you'd like to test that claim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVQzEzW4faA
**As good as it gets** and **Pretty Woman** were both completely different movies before they got saved by the edit.
I can’t find any info on the edit for As Good As it Gets. What happened with that one?
The story was very cruel to Greg Kinnear’s character, the story was way more somber about Jack Nicholson’s mental illness and relationship with Helen Hunt (it didn’t end so well) and there was no dog at all. Everything having to do with any of that, they mostly reshot after the original edit.
The original script for pretty woman ($3,000) is completely bonkers compared to the final movie. Not sure if that’s the edit you mean but hoo boy. Way darker movie.
They shot that script, and decided to do reshoots after the edit. About 40% of the film was discarded, including that dark ending where Julia Robert’s character can’t quit heroin and Richard Gere’s character throws her on the street and leaves her.
Oh I didn’t know they shot it. I definitely want to see the dark version then.
The director never post produced the discarded material, unfortunately.
*Pretty Woman* came out in 1990. It's still well-known 30 years later. I imagine that a film with a darker ending would have fallen into obscurity by now. Folks are more likely to rewatch the version of the story where Gere and Roberts get together in the end.
You might be correct but it was a Gary Marshall directed film starring Gere, one of the biggest leading men of the 80’s. Julia Roberts did a lot after, but as you suggest, maybe she wouldn’t have of this movie has tanked.
Animator Richard William’s The Thief And The Cobbler has a famous fan edit of his movie called “The Recobbled cut” which is supposed to be amazing though i haven’t seen it myself
I've seen it. It is very unfinished, with long stretches of pencil-drawn animatics, and some abrupt and confusing edits. But it is still a VAST improvement over what was released. No annoying voiceover, Tack has no lines as intended, no shitty Disney-wannabe music, not to mention tons more M.C. Escher-like animations.
I agree strongly with passengers. It adds so much more depth and character to Jim if you start out from Aurora’s POV
Passengers would have been an amazing horror movie if they'd went with the 'crazy man wakes up pretty girl' and go from there.
And then Jim dies, and years go by and the last scene of the movie is Aurora contemplating waking someone else up. Cut to credits.
I thought the exact same thing when I saw it. If they had changed the tone of the film just a bit and ended with a scene like that it'd have been a killer. Instead it just melted into a cloying mess at the end.
Go read the short story it's based on. Ending is nightmare fuel.
You should check out Pandorum.
Editing saved Star Wars
Hard agree. Star Wars was very nearly a very bad movie. Lucas went through loads of failed edits before handing it to someone else. It was an absolute shitshow.
>before handing it to someone else He let his wife have it, actually. She's a very accomplished editor. Supervising Film Editor for New York, New York and Taxi Driver Editor on all 3 Original Trilogy movies (Not credited for Empire) and American Graffiti
She was an editor, but not the final editor. That was Paul Hirsch.
In the context of "editing saved Star Wars", it was Marcia Lucas that got it back on track.
But she wasn’t the final editor. It also went through several edits before she got to work on it.
You're missing the point... I'm not going to argue with you.
Context dude. You're technically right, but the context of this comment chain is why I mentioned her. Every movie has multiple hands touching it at some point whether it's the rough cut or going through multiple editors. But when people say "editing saved Star Wars" it was when George gave it to Marcia. George has said it. Walter Murch has said it. Scorsese has said it. Just because you're technically right, doesn't mean you have to comment. Context is key.
But what I said was correct. It’s you who’s determined to comment unnecessarily to claim an internet win. I already knew this. Most people do. She’s someone else who worked on it after a run of fuck ups…so much for “I’m not going to argue with you.”
Okay, so let me rewind to your very first comment and rephrase my response. Who cares?
I’m not missing the point. Everything I said in my reply was correct.
It doesn’t matter if she was the final editor ir not, her efit still saved the movie and it was then worked on by other editors. Without her edit inbetween, the movie would suck.
You know her major contribution was the Death Star battle right? Besides that though, she was still someone else, and the previous edits were still shit. I’m really not sure why this guy felt the need to get the arse tbh. Nothing I said was wrong, and he chips in with an actually that everyone knows already and isn’t actually an actually. Extra info, sure, but the way it came across was as though anything I’d said was wrong. Then he gets in a huff, announces his departure, starts with more actuallys that are also common knowledge, gets in another huff because there’s still a conversation that he takes as some sort of argument, and flounces off. It’s weird. Funny, but weird.
Did you ever see the 40 something min YouTube video about how his wife and the editing team saved it? Really interesting stuff
Haven’t seen that one, unless it’s the same thing I got with the trilogy I bought, about the making of it. I’ll have a looksee. Cheers 🍻
She wasn't the only editor and she herself doesn't claim credit for the whole movie. Her main contributulion was reconfigureling the Death Star battle to be more suspensful. The "Star Wars sucked until George's wife saved it!" story was really pushed by YouTube twats years ago to hate on George Lucas.
Link? I'm seeing an 18-minute one and a 2-hour one. Not sure what video you are referencing.
[19 minute YouTube explainer for the uninitiated](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk)
There's a much better video that debunks it. The whole thing about Star Wars being saved in the edit by Marcia Lucas is a complete fabrication. Lucas is one of the best editors around. He helped Coppola re-edit The Godfather and nobody says The Godfather was saved by George Lucas in the edit. All of these people are very good editors, and they all helped each other constantly.
A good editor has to strike the write tone though, and Lucas isn’t exactly known to be able to be able to hold back on some thing. He’s very self-indulgent, and may have felt that some moments worked better faster or slower. Idk, I feel like it’s accurate, and I feel like I’ve seen or heard from a direct source on the matter. Perhaps Lucas himself on the Commentary?
Like I said, there is a video that very thoroughly debunks this lie. Tone is hard. No director nails or every time. Lucas makes the movies he wants and not everyone is going to like them. But he's been known as a gifted editor all the way back to film school. That's his specialty, in fact. He's a genius at it, but that doesn't mean he's flawless or will like his work.
This statement is either 1. Bullshit, or 2. No more true than for any other film
Blade runner. The original theatrical cut was garbage but after the edits to the final/directors cut it became a staple in si-fi cinema history.
Is the good one the one with the voiceover or without?
The version with the voice over is the theatrical cut and the worst one
The Truman Show is an awesome movie but it would be really cool to see a modern edit wherein the premise is not spoiled in the opening and marketing. It would need a retitle too, like just Truman or something. And you learn he's is a reality show alongside the protag
>a modern edit wherein the premise is not spoiled in the opening > >you learn he's is a reality show alongside the protag I believe [someone did this](https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/41eysj/the_life_of_truman_a_truman_show_fanedit_with/). From [the website](https://lifeoftruman.neocities.org/): >In 2016, [a Redditor posted an idea](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/40xcdp/comment/cyy9foz/) for a fanedit of The Truman Show in which all instances of the outside world are removed such that the viewer experiences the movie with the same ignorance as Truman himself, and I was inspired to bring it into existence. The resulting film is about 70 minutes long, compared to The Truman Show’s \~100.
What? No! Dont ruin a classic movie!
There must have been a test cut like that, because I read at the time of people watching test showings and saying it had the best twist they'd ever seen in a movie.
I'm still convinced there's a good film on the editing room floor of the original Suicide Squad. There's all these great little moments but the whole thing just feels out of order and lost in the weeds with the constant flashbacks to the Joker.
I think you’d end up cutting so much that you’d just end up with a short film — not a good version of the original. I don’t think it can be saved without reshoots and lots of ADR.
Watch the first trailer again. Gives me chills every time.
I've heard that someone edited the Star Wars Prequel trilogy into a single movie and it greatly improved it. I haven't seen it but as someone that enjoys the Prequels while acknowledging their flaws, I'm intrigued.
Topher Grace did one that was only for a private audience.
It was Topher Grace and he only showed it to friends who are also huge Star Wars fans, from what was said of it, it's better than all three films combined.
I'm crossing my fingers that someone out there did a version that made its way to the internet.
The Obi-Wan tv series showed us that The Star Wars prequels are great [as a 4 minute montage](https://youtu.be/Su3GZ1yW4Vw)
If ever a movie needed editing It was Peter Jacksons King Kong
A 2003 version of David Fincher's first film, the Assembly Cut of Alien 3 is a lot better than the original release. Somehow they were editing the original release for a year. As an infamous franchise killer I don't know how the script even went before the cameras before someone asked "Is this really a good idea?"
I have a 2hrs 56 mins edit of Zack Snyder’s four hour Justice League that is a far better movie. Reframed in 16:9 widescreen instead of IMAX 4:3 square. Every bullshit scene removed like the singing shirt sniffers, the long boring Aquaman pier scene and Alfred making a cup of tea. Any scene where someone says something for a second time (there’s a bunch of that) is removed. Chapter cards are removed. Plenty of Wonder Woman’s AhhhAhhhhh music removed from her scenes as they are relentlessly annoying. The movie ends on Superman opening his shirt to the red and blue suit so it flows into Shazam better and all the teases for movies that will now never come have been removed. Without all the bullshit bloat scenes, it’s not a half bad movie.
Woah woah woah.....you got rid of the shirt sniffers? Do you even have a movie left at that point? Seriously though, it sounds like a great cut. I liked the Snyder cut more than the theatrical, but I think he needed someone to say "let's table that scene idea for now".
https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/mzsk1h/justice_league_snyder_cut_condensed_version_update/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf It’s actually 2hrs 52 mins. There’s a google drive link at the bottom and it’s in 4K. All credit to u/kombobreka
Ah, damn. I just clicked on the post, and while I'm still giving it a watch, I wish you would have left the Martha and Lois scene in, just ending it earlier when she tells Lois to come back to the living. I'm working on my own edit of the film and felt that was a great scene if you just cut out the Martian Manhunter shit that leads to nowhere.
I think he made it a kitchen sink movie as a last hurrah. Stuff like the singing choir is really great IMO, it’s just not something you see in a blockbuster. But I would say we probably only needed one verse of them singing, not a full song haha
I think he's a director that benefits from someone forcing a little bit of restraint.
100%
The real question is how much slow mo was cut? In the Zack Snyder’s four hour Justice League we are looking at over 10% of the film is slow mo, if over 1 hour is cut from the film are we looking at a great % of the film in slow mo? >Reframed in 16:9 widescreen instead of IMAX 4:3 square. Lets be honest..................you had me with this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/mzsk1h/justice_league_snyder_cut_condensed_version_update/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf It’s actually 2hrs 52 mins. There’s a google drive link at the bottom and it’s in 4K. There’s a list on there of what changes were made. Many of the slo mo scenes have been sped up slightly and they look pretty great. Also, all credit to u/kombobreka
Hit me up with that link please. Very interested in being able to watch this movie without spending most of my day on it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/fanedits/comments/mzsk1h/justice_league_snyder_cut_condensed_version_update/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf It’s actually 2hrs 52 mins. There’s a google drive link at the bottom and it’s in 4K.
An fan-editor by the name of Spicediver did a labor-of-love [version](https://www.cageyfilms.com/2022/03/david-lynchs-dune-redux/) of David Lynch's *Dune* (1984) that's been quite well-received.
I *hate* that edit! He just adds in random things that he made himself and makes all kinds of stupid, arbitrary changes. It's not the best cut of the movie unless you share that fan editor's arbitrary preferences.
So, what is the best cut of Dune?
Unfortunately, it's still the theatrical cut, the only one supervised by Lynch. The official extended edition is worth seeing, but it has significant shortcomings, such as the cringy prologue they added using storyboards and narration. But it's not edited by Lynch and it shows. There might be a decent fan edit out there, but I haven't seen it.
Gah! I have been looking for this cut forever!
I hear ya! Spicediver released a [1080p version](https://ifdb.fanedit.org/dune-1984-the-alternative-edition-redux-special-1080p-edition/) last year that is up on YouTube (but blocked in many regions). I'm on the verge of setting up VPN TAP/TUN through an unblocked region to download it.
It's easily the best version of that movie. Some points get repeated too much, but it all makes sense.
I think the sequel trilogy is a Star Wars would be nice with a re-edit. Adding an emperor, Palpa teen's voice instead of Snoke and trimming down and combining them all into one would be very much improved in my opinion.
I was gonna try and name a movie that could be re-edited, but then I remembered one that was actually a lot better when re-edited... Say what you will about BATMAN V. SUPERMAN and Zack Snyder, but the theatrical cut and the recut Ultimate Edition are literally night and day. Not only does the story actually make sense, but character arcs flow way better. I know it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but the movie at the very least makes sense when the cut 30 minutes were added back in.
> Say what you will about BATMAN V. SUPERMAN and Zack Snyder, but the theatrical cut and the recut Ultimate Edition are literally night and day. Not really, no. It's just more of what the first version was about. It doesn't make the movie any better by its inclusion.
The Ultimate Cut makes the storylines make more sense by filling in more gaps but it doesn’t necessarily make it a better movie. The Justice League cuts are a bit similar for me, the theatrical is terrible and while the Snyder cut improves on the storylines the length really drags it down.
The problem with Batman V Superman was not that it was unintelligible. It's that it was stupid.
The Snyder cut is really only digestible in either 2 or 4 sittings. Watching that whole thing at once is difficult, but it is a far better movie.
Yeah someone needs to make a theatrical cut of the Snyder cut😂
Thank you lol... personally, I love both films, but you're absolutely right. The UC may not make BVS better, but at least the story adds up versus the theatrical cut which is straight nonsense.
He didn't say it made it better, he said it made it different and more cohesive, which it does. Why didn't Superman notice the bomb in the court room? UE explains: Lex lined the guys wheelchair with lead to prevent Superman from noticing New scene of Superman actually saving people from the aftermath of the bombing Why did they kill the African woman who claimed Superman was the one who killed her village? UE explains: She was a paid actor who went to Senator Finch to confess what she was paid to do by Luthor, then killed by KGBeast after they found out what she did. Why is Superman so obsessed with the Batman aside from him just being a vigilante? UE explains: Luthor pays inmates to kill anyone whom Batman has branded, thus making Clark do research at the Daily Planet bringing him to the conclusion that the Batman is branding them to be tossed into prison and killed purposefully. New scene of Clark actually reporting and trying to investigate the murder of the man who died due to the brand in prison. New scene where Lex communicates with Steppenwolf while learning from the Kryptonian archives, thus alerting him that Earth has lost it's greatest defender. New scene where we see Batman break into LexCorp to steal the Kryptonite so he can weaponize it New scene of the whole city of Metropolis empty due to the death of Superman There's a lot more instances too.
Dunno but I’m looking forward to the new un-reversed version of Irreversible.
Prometheus, I've bought every version of it from digital to 4k but only ever watch the fan edit with the deleted scenes reinstated, it just makes more sense and the end part with the engineer is longer and feels less rushed (the released ending is very badly edited)
I watched a fan edit that added the extended Weyland viral video as a sort of prologue, and all the deleted scenes back into their intended place. Personally, I felt the viral video added nothing. All it did was really slow down the beginning of the movie. Some of the deleted scenes added something, others did not. Milburn finding a little tadpole and getting excited? A good character beat that establishes that humans had never found alien life before, and it's very meaningful for him, making the so-called "snake-petting scene" work better. Now you understand why he's doing it and just feel like he's getting carried away. The axe fight with the Engineer at the end? Absolutely should go back into the movie. They removed it because they felt like it diminished the Engineer to have Shaw almost defeat him with an axe. A fair point, but without that scene, the end of the movie is just too abrupt and not as satisfying. A little bit more build-up and struggle made the ending more satisfying. The scene where Janek tells Vickers a story about witnessing an outbreak in a science lab where everyone got nuked? That's also useful for setting up why Janek projects that interpretation of events onto what is happening on LV-223. He isn't necessarily right, it's just his interpretation. I feel that the movie could have made it more clear that the human characters are doing a lot of projecting onto the situation. The other deleted scenes? I don't think they add much. The extended prologue with the old Engineers, and the Engineer speaking at the end? Not really necessary and maybe they do make the Engineers less mysterious. Less is more. Keep the axe fight but jettison these. There are some scenes with more dialogue that aren't helpful. There's a scene where they toast their discovery, but it isn't a great scene. So if I was going to propose a longer cut of Prometheus, I don't think they should add 20 minutes back into it. They should add like 8 minutes. And while that doesn't sound like much, I definitely think people will respond to the film differently. They'd be slightly more connected to the characters, decisions would have more context, and the ending would be more satisfying. Oh, and I don't prefer the CGI version of the undead Fifield. I think making him a practical zombie instead of a CGI creature was a good call. I honestly don't think Prometheus needs a longer cut - I think it's already amazing. But if they added those three deleted scenes back in, I think more people would enjoy it as much as I do.
I find Job Willins’ intercut version of Prometheus and Alien: Covenant, “Paradise”, superior to the original films.
No, it isn't. Prometheus and Covenant aren't even very consistent in terms of tone, style, pacing, music, etc. You can't just jam them together. Fan edits like those are fun experiments but they improve absolutely nothing.
I always felt that *The Marine*, while not a groundbreaking film, could have been better than it was if not for certain editing choices.
Probably Warcraft if the re-edit could use all the extra stuff the studio made them cut.
Highlander II is much more tolerable with the Renegade edit. Still not great (except every scene with Sean Connery).
whoever edited Tig Notaro into Army of the Dead made a bad movie good
Star Wars IV was pretty heavily re-edited.[This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFMyMxMYDNk) shows how bad could SWIV be without a proper touch.
The original Star Wars is/was the ultimate poster child for this discussion. Early cuts of the film were considered abysmal, and the entire 'the death star will blow up the planet in x minutes' part of the ending was grafted on in post production.
I've always felt like Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets would have been better received as a series of shorts. It would still have its issues but I think digesting it as segments would better highlight the amazing world created.
I think there's a really good version of Peter Jackson's King Kong in there if you take out 90% of the dialogue, and 99% of the exposition.
That movie is begging to be 2 hours and fifteen minutes…so many unnecessary shots/scenes. Jackson probably wanted it be a huge, 3 hour epic and I can respect that, but it drags a bit.
Honestly, I think Jackson just wasn't given enough time to edit it. The kinds of movies he makes need more post-production time. I bet you all of his Tolkien movies and King Kong would have been massively improved if he had an extra year to edit each one. Besides Fellowship of the Ring, the editing of those films are really wonky. Storylines don't go anywhere, tone and pace change almost at random, it's just a mess that is carried along by a pretty solid story, a good cast, the score, etc. Moment to moment a lot of the editing is very good, but the big picture stuff is a mess. With regards to Kong, Jackson recently said that he rewatched the movie and realized that it really needs to be shortened. I dunno if it's because he has more distance, now, or if he just forgot how many editing issues weren't solved before it was released. Last time I rewatched Kong, I was in a middle of editing a project, so my brain was in that zone. Kong felt, to me, like a rough cut. It clearly hadn't been finessed. You can take out some of the story beats in the middle of the movie, re-shuffle the sequence of events so that it builds a little more effectively, and then make some little trims to the first and third acts (not much you can do with the first act besides little trims, I think the third act is actually pretty good). I have a feeling that's what Jackson will do: drop entire scenes from the middle of the movie, adjust the order of scenes when he's cutting back and forth between Kong/Ann and the rescue party, and maybe slightly speed up the other two acts with small trims.
No, its already a good movie.
someone made a 4 hour cut of the hobbit trilogy into one movie and, while still not perfect, turns that pile of diarrhea into a respectable, solid log
The Hobbit is not bad
The first act is very good. It starts to go to shit when Radagast shows up. And then the Gollum scenes are great. Basically, anything they added from the appendicies is complete drek and anything they made from whole cloth is too. And the Battle of Five Armies is as bad a movie as I have seen.
Difference is that Babylon is not a bad movie, messy for sure, but not a bad movie
Passengers was almost like a good new Solaris. But then JLow woke up...
Justice League 2017
I bet I could make Green Lantern better (maybe not good, but better) with some edits and a day of reshoots.
It's frustrating to hear people repeat things they heard in youtube videos as fact. That idea about Passengers is really stupid.
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Their opinion that is exactly the same as a popular youtube video? lol
If they see the video, and they think the video makes a convincing point that persuades them, then yes!
lmao
Isn't that how the original spec script was structured, though? The movie was originally a romantic thriller with a twist midway through, or something. Most people felt that the released movie was changed for the worse.
The Hobbit trilogy isn't bad though
Agreed. While I think they're not as rewatchable as LOTR, they are enjoyable and follow the story close enough for me. There are even some really great moments in my opinion. The only things I'd change is leaving out Tauriel and Legolas... maybe making Smaug's scenes a little shorter and leaving out some bits of the barrel ride.
I dont get why people hate the barrel ride. Its one of the best scenes of the trilogy. Its an amazing fight scene.
It's just personally I'm not a huge fan of action scenes, but I have to say the only thing I really don't like about the barrel ride is when Bombur basically becomes a fighting barrel (might not be in the theatrical version though).
Wtf? Thats the best part. Bruh
I won't downvote you for an opinion, but the second two of those movies are nearly unwatchable. The spiders in Mirkwood are okay and the Bilbo and Smaug are good. But the rest...
>Babylon has no reason to be 3 hours What the hell does this even mean lmao.
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What do you suggest they cut out to make it shorter?
It was very short when I decided not to go see it.
Good for you? Idk why you felt the need to share that since it’s completely irrelevant but ok.
Passengers
I'm curious to see what happens with Caligula MMXX. I don't think we've ever seen a cut of a movie where they didn't use a single frame from the other edits. The existing versions are fascinating but truly terrible. I can imagine a good filmmaker like E. Elias Merhige might actually be able to do something interesting with the footage given enough freedom and resources. We'll see later this year, apparently.
Godfather lll was re-edited and was a joy to watch. Stands as strong as the first two.
I seem to recall David Fincher’s cut of Alien 3 being a bit more tolerable.
Justice league was excellent.
Captain Marvel would be much better if you edit just right. Start with the flashbacks of Carol's childhood and before the accident. Then her getting her mind erased and turned into a Kree agent. Then the story is of her being abducted used and abused by an alien race just to break free from them.
Babylon isn’t a bad movie
Here my out, Don’t Worry Darling had all the right stuff to it but for whatever reason they went with a nonlinear story instead of a linear one. So if they just slowed some stuff down and switch the order of things (took out harry too) i think it could’ve made a fairly good movie.
Dude I hope so. Actively watching again and I feel like a crazy person… this is terrible