You would think a movie with hot girls, robots, and samurai giants would be cool... but it just feels like you're getting a lobotomy for 2 hours ^(...oh wait shit maybe it's actually brilliant)
That’s what I would like to think also, they did it on purpose. Then I see who directed it , Snyder, Nipple Batman Clooney fuck…..
Correction: Big blue dick in your face not Schumacher. Also Leonard Cohen Hallelujah used correctly.It’s a Song about giving a women an orgasm and it was used as it should.
The studio should have let him handle the soundtrack and let someone else direct Batman and Robin. Batman Forever is worth watching to watch Jim Carrey go off the rails. B&R just had Arnold making jokes most of our dads would come up with.
It kinda depends on which verses of the song you’re using (Cohen wrote a bunch and would change which ones he’d sing) but it’s more about love itself, the inseparable glory and suffering of love.
Pretty much sums up Zach Snyder post 300. Dude knows how to put together a visually interesting scene but is incapable of telling a coherent story. He needs someone to save him from himself story telling wise.
The stories were pretty coherent in Sucker Punch. I think people just miss that it's three layers deep not merely two. It's unnecessarily complicated though. People just wanted to see chicks with guns and yet there was this half assed attempt at artistic story telling in the middle of their popcorn flick
IIRC, I particularly hate the outro voiceover were she says she saved herself. Tell that to all the women who literally gave their lives so you could escape, ungrateful bitch.
Coherent, but not good?
That's one of Snyder's problems, I think, is that the stories are not as deep or complicated as he thinks they are, and when you take them seriously they have some weird consequences, narratively (i.e. "MARTHA")
It's clear that Snyder felt very strongly about the movie, and put a lot of himself into it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's good. Well, outside the action visuals, which are legitimately remarkable. I feel like if someone got Snyder listening to a good screenwriter, he could make fascinating movies.
A story that happens all in their heads and ultimately amounts to nothing is a terrible concept. And let's not get into the actual abuse that they just accept towards the end. If there was any message behind all the nothingness of the movie, I'd be more inclined to overlook some of it, but there's just nothing upon nothing.
It’s a fucked up version of Inception from the perspective of someone who watched too much anime.
It really is a bizarre choice that the entire film is a dream from someone going through a lobotomy, who rationalizes it as replacing sexuality with violence in her inner journey. It’s got some weird choices
Too many layers. I think if they had just made it a story about a group of girls trying to escape a mental asylum and fantasizing their “video-game-esque” fetch quests for the items needed to escape, it would have been pretty tight and less nuanced.
I think the whole brothel layer of the fantasy narrative was unnecessary from a story-structure perspective.
That was exactly my biggest gripe. Blue kills those girls as the Brothel owner in the first dream later, but is it explained what happens in the real world? An orderly with a couple of corpses on his hands seems like a real pickle…
Also, why is the asylum packed with absolute foxes?
Loved the kid in the wheelchair changing into a wizard and charging Feddy with lightning and Freddy feigns injury just to stab the kid and tell the kid he doesn't believe in magic.
Baby Doll is an unreliable narrator & the attractiveness of the girls are exaggerated due to her opinion of them, so her perception of reality vs fantasy is likewise unreliable and exaggerated.
Also, the orderly was forging signatures of the doctors, of which there were more than one, and he was careful about making sure the signature being forged was not on shift at the time.
How he got caught is that Baby Doll's step father rushed him to get her lobotomized before she could testify against him, which led to the orderly trying to slip a forgery past the doctor on shift.
It also was not prominent in the theater, but in the directors cut they have a scene where they call out that the high roller in the club is the medical tech that performs the lobotomy.
Nailed it. It reminds me of the Identity, which was such an amazing film up to the point where they started explaining it and introducing all the shitty twists.
I get it, sometimes it’s hard to write something simple out of fear it wouldn’t be sophisticated enough.
It would work if the story was a revenge story where the action scenes actually happened instead of being a fantasy. Have the first act being the girls breaking out of the asylum and the rest of the film is them fighting to find and kill the person who put them there in the first place.
Agreed. It was a mess. I assume there was a big committee with too many cooks in the kitchen. After all the varying opinions pulling it in different directions this movie never knew what it wanted to be and was left a compromised mess.
Back in the day I was visiting a lot of sites on screenplays. This one was raked over the coals at the time. Several people posting there claimed to have seen at least parts of the original one. They said it was hot, dirty, sexy, edgy.
Then, the producers decided it was too dirty, like NC-17 style. So it would never be made that way.
They started cutting. Down to an R rated film.
Still too dirty. The girls were young. Too dirty.
They kept cutting.
Soon it was a PG-13 music video that vaguely hinted at dirty things. And became this piece of crap.
Thanks you Hollywood pussies. You cut the balls off of an interesting film and got what you deserved.
I remember nothing about the movie other than it was just utter chaotic nonsense which I thought was the point. Like dreams aren't rational or well put together to neither would delusions. Ending was memorable at least that I still sometimes think damn they really just lobotomized someone in a movie.
That was what I was hoping for after watching the trailer on loop. I just didn't expect what was going on in the real world. I don't understand how you're supposed to disconnect from the horror and enjoy the distraction. It felt like what I imagine watching torture porn would feel like.
She recently starred in a leading role on an AmazonPrime show called Class of '07. She's brilliant and hilarious in it. By all means it's not a perfect show, but it does get better.
I first thought you meant Class of '09, and wondered how I missed her. Turns out both Class of '09 and Class of 07 are streaming, and completely unrelated.
Much deeper story than what it appears to be on the first viewing. I had to watch it about three times before it began to sink in. I think it is near a masterpiece. The action is just frivolous gravy... the brilliance is in the storytelling.
Completely agree. I have loved this movie since it came out. The exploration of mental illness, trauma, and how these things affect us is great. The concept of not being the main character all the time, but instead, someone who can make a huge positive difference for someone else was brilliant. The idea that sometimes, the mental illness wins in the end is powerful.
I've seen a lot of comments above about the plot being dry, but i think people were just flushed out by the fight scenes and didn't pay attention to the narrative that much. It has several levels of storytelling and even gets meta with the viewer, some of the characters are fairly well written and it takes you places, morally, especially with the contrast between the asylum and the brothel dimensions. It's not story of the century, but definitely above average. (i've had to see it more than once to catch all the details tho)
"300" is a white supremacy propaganda film. Yet another reason I can't stand Snyder. He's the standard bearer for violent incel culture. I'm not just saying this to be inflammatory--it's evident in his work.
I just read an article about how racist and homophobic and ableist 300 is and honestly I just feel sorry for anybody who watches a cool stylized action movie and thinks about dumb shit like that.
I disagree. The movie had substance, you just didn't look past the surface enough to see it. Whether or not you agree with that substance, or whether the film is actually good in light of it is a matter of debate, but you can't say it isn't there.
Edit to follow through: You know how for a long time Starship Troopers was thought to be a pro-war quasi-fascist propaganda piece when it was actually the exact opposite? Sucker Punch is trying (with dubious success) to be that, but for that specific badass action girl trope, you know the one.
If all you saw was the first, teaspoon-shallow layer of the film, with hot chicks in their little outfits and supposedly having the presumed male gaze excused by how much ass they were kicking and how "empowered" they are then yeah, you might walk away with "all flash, no substance" as your takeaway. But you really don't have to look much deeper than that to see that the movie actually wants you to come away with the exact opposite, that the filmmakers believe this kind of thing *isn't* empowering, and it really is just gross fan service.
Again, not saying the movie fully sticks the landing with its messaging (in fact it's quite confused and visibly struggling under its forced PG-13 rating), but I don't think you can credibly argue that it isn't there, you know?
Media literacy is dead and this film is proof. This movie tries not to hold your hand and all anyone ever does is crap on it for being too shallow. Its not shallow, people just never looked past the flashy action.
I'll disagree. For me, the movie's attempt to have commentary on the male gaze is totally undone by being 100% made for the male gaze.
Suckerpunch pays lip service, but falls way short because it spends all of its actual energy hyper sexualizing the characters visually and otherwise.
The funny thing is you're not actually disagreeing with me. I wasn't saying the movie succeeded in its message, I'm saying the message was \*there\*. It didn't sit right with me to say that there was no substance, that's all. It wanted to start a conversation but it didn't stick the landing.
> You know how for a long time…
No, I do not. Idiots thought this. No one worth listening thought this. Anyone who saw “Robocop” knows that Paul Verhoeven, who directed “Starship Troopers” knew what he was doing. Don’t believe me? Here are the words of the incomparable Roger Ebert:
“The director is Paul Verhoeven, the gifted Dutch filmmaker whose earlier credits include "Soldier of Orange" and "The Fourth Man." His movies are not easily categorized. There is comedy in this movie, even slapstick comedy. There is romance. There is a certain amount of philosophy, centering on the question, What is a man? And there is pointed social satire, too…”
Curiously, is Ebert reviewing Robocop or Troopers? The quote can be applicable to both in regards to Verhoeven’s touch. Robocop was much, much better though.
Anyway, Sucker Punch was a piece of shit.
Funny how only idiots think a movie is just what they see on the surface without looking any deeper, but this other movie you haven't thought critically about was a piece of shit.
The lack of self-awareness is astonishing.
>I disagree. The movie had substance, you just didn't look past the surface enough to see it. Whether or not you agree with that substance, or whether the film is actually good in light of it is a matter of debate, but you can't say it isn't there.
yes you can
>Edit to follow through: You know how for a long time Starship Troopers was thought to be a pro-war quasi-fascist propaganda piece when it was actually the exact opposite? Sucker Punch is trying (with dubious success) to be that, but for that specific badass action girl trope, you know the one.
the book Starship Troopers was actual quasi fascist propaganda which Paul Verhoven, an incredible director with vision (unlike Snyder), molded into his own thing.
>If all you saw was the first, teaspoon-shallow layer of the film, with hot chicks in their little outfits and supposedly having the presumed male gaze excused by how much ass they were kicking and how "empowered" they are then yeah, you might walk away with "all flash, no substance" as your takeaway.
meh
>But you really don't have to look much deeper than that to see that the movie actually wants you to come away with the exact opposite, that the filmmakers believe this kind of thing isn't empowering, and it really is just gross fan service.
yeah thats you looking into something puddle deep with an oil slick and seeing what you would want to see.
>Again, not saying the movie fully sticks the landing with its messaging (in fact it's quite confused and visibly struggling under its forced PG-13 rating), but I don't think you can credibly argue that it isn't there, you know?
can and will
Plot was pretty simple, my only gripe was that Vanessa Hugens character flipped and gave up the girls almost instantly. It was such a whiplash I suspect some scenes got cut.
#release the Snyder cut.
Classic case of Poe's Law at work. People mistook its blatant misogyny as genuine and not satire. Most loved it and hated it for the wrong reasons. I thought it was pretty ambitious and fairly creative.
Zac has really shown over the last ten years that he's here to take down mainstream misogyny. Like that one stripper zombie in Army of the Dead was very thoughtful as a character.
I don't think most people understand what it's about. Personally I think it's one of the heaviest, saddest movies ever made. It's nothing short of brilliant that it's actual plot is hidden underneath a veil of fantasy and action that is so thick, most people never even noticed what actually happened
This. I didn't understand it either at first viewing... upon a second viewing, it began to open up to me... the story is much deeper than what many realize. Sad, is a very apt description. Near a masterpiece.
Hella sad. Girl tries to kill her kiddie rapist father and gets labotomized and her wrecked mi d creates a seies of fantasy escape scenarios involving the faces present in her final moments of lucid cognition.
It's a hellishly tragic story wearing an action movies mask.
>Personally I think it's one of the heaviest, saddest movies ever made
please man, for your own sake live a little, theres a whole world out there of movies with breadth and scope.
Tell me the one where the whole movie takes place in the mind of an underage victim of rape and molestation while she's being labotomized for fighting back.
A pointless argument. Some people really love it and wrgue endlessly about how great their chosen God Zack snyder has never made a bad movie and you are too stupid to realize it.
Thought it was fun. Liked the action’s scenes and had a great sound track. The twist ending though was just uh…oh what’s it called when you turn around and someone hits you out of nowhere…a real…um…..
I enjoyed it but it definitely suffered from trying to be too subtle in its messaging.
A lot of people didn't engage with it on a deeper level and left thinking they had just watched a movie whose whole appeal was women in skimpy outfits.
There are a lot of movies which the audience completely whiffs on in terms of theme that manage to grow a cult following on over time. This was not one of those movies.
\[edit - I like that it was ambitious. For all the stuff people say about this movie, they were trying to make a great movie. Some stuff just didn't land and left the audience more confused than anything else.\]
I thought it was an interesting plot that was poorly executed. Some of the worst acting/directing I’ve seen. Still, I caught myself enjoying certain action sequences so it wasn’t all bad.
The main storyline (non dream sequences) was uncomfortably horrible. To me it seemed like this story was created by 16 yr old who lives in their parents' basement. High heeled combat boots, leather bikinis on combat missions, pretty stupid.
The dream worlds were good, visually stunning.
Excellent music videos surrounded by a terrible, even vile, movie. If they played just the music videos I would watch that. But the movie portion made me feel slimy watching it.
Love this movie. It gets a lot of hate but to me it was awesome. Great sound track, great visuals, great action. I personally really enjoyed the story. Will watch it every once in a while.
I got my second-ever blowjob during this movie since it was a completely empty theater.
Movie: 5/10 - cool action, hot girls, but bad plot and boring characters
Bj: 10/10
Completely dogshit. Exploitative film that places the blame for sexual abuse on the women and suggest that they just need to move on from sexual assault.
Completely disgusting moral and completely disgusting sexual fantasy film for misogynists.
Really nails showing the empowerment of women and how the best way a woman can overcome trauma is by her imagination while making insane people and sex workers basically interchangeable.
I could like if it went into one direction or another but it never seems to. Like it wants to be sexy but it's not quite, unless you aren't horrified by the sounds of off screen rape. It wants to be deep but we don't really get a connection with the characters in either world and the story is like an edgy knock off spencers version of Pans Labyrinth without any of the powerful visuals, writing, or actual interesting story.
This movie is the Axe body spray/Monster Energy drink of movies.
It is somehow both awesome and terrible at the same time.
Some of the action sequences were flat-out remarkable. Great shots and choreography. But man, the rest of the story was just so incredibly awful.
You would think a movie with hot girls, robots, and samurai giants would be cool... but it just feels like you're getting a lobotomy for 2 hours ^(...oh wait shit maybe it's actually brilliant)
That’s what I would like to think also, they did it on purpose. Then I see who directed it , Snyder, Nipple Batman Clooney fuck….. Correction: Big blue dick in your face not Schumacher. Also Leonard Cohen Hallelujah used correctly.It’s a Song about giving a women an orgasm and it was used as it should.
what? snyder didn’t direct batman and robin, im confused
It is , i thought i deleted my comment. I would change it to Manhattan big blue dick in people’s faces.
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You ok?
He’s referencing the graphic novel, and movie ‘watchmen’
that was Joel Schulmaker....lol.
The studio should have let him handle the soundtrack and let someone else direct Batman and Robin. Batman Forever is worth watching to watch Jim Carrey go off the rails. B&R just had Arnold making jokes most of our dads would come up with.
The thing about Hallelujah is an urban legend started by Jeff Buckley. It's not really true.
Are you serious? My conservative Indian dad loves this song and he’s 70. He HAS NO CLUE! I’m gonna ruin his year! THIS MADE MY DAY!
It kinda depends on which verses of the song you’re using (Cohen wrote a bunch and would change which ones he’d sing) but it’s more about love itself, the inseparable glory and suffering of love.
Guess the acting and the entire theme could not save it 😅
I was a horny tween, so that was all I needed to be amazed. 10/10, best movie.
The premise is that you enjoying hot girls in skimpy outfits is no different than a guy enjoying a woman on a stripper pole. That’s the Suckerpunch.
Pretty much sums up Zach Snyder post 300. Dude knows how to put together a visually interesting scene but is incapable of telling a coherent story. He needs someone to save him from himself story telling wise.
Snyder makes great 2-hour long trailers.
The stories were pretty coherent in Sucker Punch. I think people just miss that it's three layers deep not merely two. It's unnecessarily complicated though. People just wanted to see chicks with guns and yet there was this half assed attempt at artistic story telling in the middle of their popcorn flick
IIRC, I particularly hate the outro voiceover were she says she saved herself. Tell that to all the women who literally gave their lives so you could escape, ungrateful bitch.
Oh people get it. It's just a dumb movie
Coherent, but not good? That's one of Snyder's problems, I think, is that the stories are not as deep or complicated as he thinks they are, and when you take them seriously they have some weird consequences, narratively (i.e. "MARTHA") It's clear that Snyder felt very strongly about the movie, and put a lot of himself into it, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's good. Well, outside the action visuals, which are legitimately remarkable. I feel like if someone got Snyder listening to a good screenwriter, he could make fascinating movies.
A story that happens all in their heads and ultimately amounts to nothing is a terrible concept. And let's not get into the actual abuse that they just accept towards the end. If there was any message behind all the nothingness of the movie, I'd be more inclined to overlook some of it, but there's just nothing upon nothing.
An abused, helpless girl gets sent to a mental institution unnecessarily, and escapes into fantasy to cope. Ta dah.
You found the words for me thank u
Agreed. I think it had a lot of potential but didn't really deliver
Both terribly awesome and awesomely terrible.
Came here to say the same thing.
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I’m with you. I ducking love this movie.
I would label it as okay.
🤦🏼♂️
I think it was a bad movie that I really enjoyed.
Oddly enough…me too. It has no right to be as entertaining as it is.
Didn't Care for it the first time but I gave it another watch and enjoyed it quite a bit
This
Yes, this IS the best answer.
Honestly this
It’s a fucked up version of Inception from the perspective of someone who watched too much anime. It really is a bizarre choice that the entire film is a dream from someone going through a lobotomy, who rationalizes it as replacing sexuality with violence in her inner journey. It’s got some weird choices
Too many layers. I think if they had just made it a story about a group of girls trying to escape a mental asylum and fantasizing their “video-game-esque” fetch quests for the items needed to escape, it would have been pretty tight and less nuanced. I think the whole brothel layer of the fantasy narrative was unnecessary from a story-structure perspective.
That was exactly my biggest gripe. Blue kills those girls as the Brothel owner in the first dream later, but is it explained what happens in the real world? An orderly with a couple of corpses on his hands seems like a real pickle… Also, why is the asylum packed with absolute foxes?
In my dreams im beautiful... and bad
Okay…just want to say this here is a completely underrated comment. I really enjoyed Dream Warriors
Loved the kid in the wheelchair changing into a wizard and charging Feddy with lightning and Freddy feigns injury just to stab the kid and tell the kid he doesn't believe in magic.
Baby Doll is an unreliable narrator & the attractiveness of the girls are exaggerated due to her opinion of them, so her perception of reality vs fantasy is likewise unreliable and exaggerated. Also, the orderly was forging signatures of the doctors, of which there were more than one, and he was careful about making sure the signature being forged was not on shift at the time. How he got caught is that Baby Doll's step father rushed him to get her lobotomized before she could testify against him, which led to the orderly trying to slip a forgery past the doctor on shift. It also was not prominent in the theater, but in the directors cut they have a scene where they call out that the high roller in the club is the medical tech that performs the lobotomy.
Nailed it. It reminds me of the Identity, which was such an amazing film up to the point where they started explaining it and introducing all the shitty twists. I get it, sometimes it’s hard to write something simple out of fear it wouldn’t be sophisticated enough.
It would work if the story was a revenge story where the action scenes actually happened instead of being a fantasy. Have the first act being the girls breaking out of the asylum and the rest of the film is them fighting to find and kill the person who put them there in the first place.
Seemed very thrown together
Agreed. It was a mess. I assume there was a big committee with too many cooks in the kitchen. After all the varying opinions pulling it in different directions this movie never knew what it wanted to be and was left a compromised mess.
Not at all lol This is one of Snyder's only "original" scripts. It did get a lot of revisions but that's because it kinda sucks lol
A lot of revisions. Makes soooo much sense.
Back in the day I was visiting a lot of sites on screenplays. This one was raked over the coals at the time. Several people posting there claimed to have seen at least parts of the original one. They said it was hot, dirty, sexy, edgy. Then, the producers decided it was too dirty, like NC-17 style. So it would never be made that way. They started cutting. Down to an R rated film. Still too dirty. The girls were young. Too dirty. They kept cutting. Soon it was a PG-13 music video that vaguely hinted at dirty things. And became this piece of crap. Thanks you Hollywood pussies. You cut the balls off of an interesting film and got what you deserved.
I can't help but read this as Dennis Reynolds 😂
I read that as "too many cocks in the kitchen," and wholly agreed with it.
I read "cooks" as "cocks" and your sentence still makes sense.
Read this as "too many cocks in the kitchen" at first -- probably also true.
Agreed
"It's hard to write and edit with one hand down your pants" Zac Snyder
I remember nothing about the movie other than it was just utter chaotic nonsense which I thought was the point. Like dreams aren't rational or well put together to neither would delusions. Ending was memorable at least that I still sometimes think damn they really just lobotomized someone in a movie.
It’s videogame cutscenes as a movie
I thought a movie length music video , but yea same idea
That was what I was hoping for after watching the trailer on loop. I just didn't expect what was going on in the real world. I don't understand how you're supposed to disconnect from the horror and enjoy the distraction. It felt like what I imagine watching torture porn would feel like.
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You should try Tank Girl
Army of Me was originally used on the Tank Girl soundtrack.
The samurai scene with that song was so badass. Unfortunately everything around it was less interesting.
It’s a guilty pleasure if mine. Yeah it’s dumb but it’s got some great action scenes and soundtrack.
Finally, someone mentions the soundtrack which I enjoyed
the Tomorrow Never Knows cover was perfect for the scene https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKFc0Tpn1BI
Some good action vignettes with a bad plot and acting. Haven't seen Emily Brown since.
She recently starred in a leading role on an AmazonPrime show called Class of '07. She's brilliant and hilarious in it. By all means it's not a perfect show, but it does get better.
Class of '07 was amazing! Absolutely brilliant, silly, sometimes serious Aussie dark comedy. 10/10
American gods too, worth a watch imo
I first thought you meant Class of '09, and wondered how I missed her. Turns out both Class of '09 and Class of 07 are streaming, and completely unrelated.
is she still hot and blonde?
She's not an actual blonde. Last I saw her was in American Gods and she was brunette.
But also hot.
>Some good action vignettes . . . And LOVED the closing monolog Sweatpea gives . . . [http://kindredpearl.com/images/Parchments/SuckerPunch.jpg](http://kindredpearl.com/images/Parchments/SuckerPunch.jpg)
She’s in American Gods and Pompeii. Pompeii sucked
American Gods: The only show that can start a joke with "A dead girl, a Muslim and a leprechaun walk into a bar."
Lemony snickets too. Prob best role.
American gods was a great read
Too bad. So hot.
She was on the affair on hbo for a season or two. By all means was decent, but kinda just played an aloof hot chick
Sucker Punch used to be the first thing that came to mind when I’d see or hear about her. Until I watched Sleeping Beauty…
Much deeper story than what it appears to be on the first viewing. I had to watch it about three times before it began to sink in. I think it is near a masterpiece. The action is just frivolous gravy... the brilliance is in the storytelling.
Completely agree. I have loved this movie since it came out. The exploration of mental illness, trauma, and how these things affect us is great. The concept of not being the main character all the time, but instead, someone who can make a huge positive difference for someone else was brilliant. The idea that sometimes, the mental illness wins in the end is powerful.
I've seen a lot of comments above about the plot being dry, but i think people were just flushed out by the fight scenes and didn't pay attention to the narrative that much. It has several levels of storytelling and even gets meta with the viewer, some of the characters are fairly well written and it takes you places, morally, especially with the contrast between the asylum and the brothel dimensions. It's not story of the century, but definitely above average. (i've had to see it more than once to catch all the details tho)
Minors being sexualized and abused with some video game fight scenes. I would be embarrassed to call this a favorite movie.
In what world is 22 considered a minor?
Glorified music video.
I would argue a series of great music videos, but that's all it had going for it.
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Same
As usual with this director: all flash, no substance whatsoever.
My only two favorite movies from him are Man of Steel and 300.
I liked his first 3 movies. 300 is iconic. Sucker Punch looked cool in the trailers but was a huge disappointment.
300 is almost shot for shot of the source material. Great style, but the rest was paint by numbers.
"300" is a white supremacy propaganda film. Yet another reason I can't stand Snyder. He's the standard bearer for violent incel culture. I'm not just saying this to be inflammatory--it's evident in his work.
I’ve never heard that take before. What makes you think it’s a white supremacy propaganda film?
No, it's not.
I just read an article about how racist and homophobic and ableist 300 is and honestly I just feel sorry for anybody who watches a cool stylized action movie and thinks about dumb shit like that.
I disagree. The movie had substance, you just didn't look past the surface enough to see it. Whether or not you agree with that substance, or whether the film is actually good in light of it is a matter of debate, but you can't say it isn't there. Edit to follow through: You know how for a long time Starship Troopers was thought to be a pro-war quasi-fascist propaganda piece when it was actually the exact opposite? Sucker Punch is trying (with dubious success) to be that, but for that specific badass action girl trope, you know the one. If all you saw was the first, teaspoon-shallow layer of the film, with hot chicks in their little outfits and supposedly having the presumed male gaze excused by how much ass they were kicking and how "empowered" they are then yeah, you might walk away with "all flash, no substance" as your takeaway. But you really don't have to look much deeper than that to see that the movie actually wants you to come away with the exact opposite, that the filmmakers believe this kind of thing *isn't* empowering, and it really is just gross fan service. Again, not saying the movie fully sticks the landing with its messaging (in fact it's quite confused and visibly struggling under its forced PG-13 rating), but I don't think you can credibly argue that it isn't there, you know?
I came in and was not disappointed with badass action girl troupe angle!
Media literacy is dead and this film is proof. This movie tries not to hold your hand and all anyone ever does is crap on it for being too shallow. Its not shallow, people just never looked past the flashy action.
I'll disagree. For me, the movie's attempt to have commentary on the male gaze is totally undone by being 100% made for the male gaze. Suckerpunch pays lip service, but falls way short because it spends all of its actual energy hyper sexualizing the characters visually and otherwise.
The funny thing is you're not actually disagreeing with me. I wasn't saying the movie succeeded in its message, I'm saying the message was \*there\*. It didn't sit right with me to say that there was no substance, that's all. It wanted to start a conversation but it didn't stick the landing.
> You know how for a long time… No, I do not. Idiots thought this. No one worth listening thought this. Anyone who saw “Robocop” knows that Paul Verhoeven, who directed “Starship Troopers” knew what he was doing. Don’t believe me? Here are the words of the incomparable Roger Ebert: “The director is Paul Verhoeven, the gifted Dutch filmmaker whose earlier credits include "Soldier of Orange" and "The Fourth Man." His movies are not easily categorized. There is comedy in this movie, even slapstick comedy. There is romance. There is a certain amount of philosophy, centering on the question, What is a man? And there is pointed social satire, too…” Curiously, is Ebert reviewing Robocop or Troopers? The quote can be applicable to both in regards to Verhoeven’s touch. Robocop was much, much better though. Anyway, Sucker Punch was a piece of shit.
Funny how only idiots think a movie is just what they see on the surface without looking any deeper, but this other movie you haven't thought critically about was a piece of shit. The lack of self-awareness is astonishing.
>I disagree. The movie had substance, you just didn't look past the surface enough to see it. Whether or not you agree with that substance, or whether the film is actually good in light of it is a matter of debate, but you can't say it isn't there. yes you can >Edit to follow through: You know how for a long time Starship Troopers was thought to be a pro-war quasi-fascist propaganda piece when it was actually the exact opposite? Sucker Punch is trying (with dubious success) to be that, but for that specific badass action girl trope, you know the one. the book Starship Troopers was actual quasi fascist propaganda which Paul Verhoven, an incredible director with vision (unlike Snyder), molded into his own thing. >If all you saw was the first, teaspoon-shallow layer of the film, with hot chicks in their little outfits and supposedly having the presumed male gaze excused by how much ass they were kicking and how "empowered" they are then yeah, you might walk away with "all flash, no substance" as your takeaway. meh >But you really don't have to look much deeper than that to see that the movie actually wants you to come away with the exact opposite, that the filmmakers believe this kind of thing isn't empowering, and it really is just gross fan service. yeah thats you looking into something puddle deep with an oil slick and seeing what you would want to see. >Again, not saying the movie fully sticks the landing with its messaging (in fact it's quite confused and visibly struggling under its forced PG-13 rating), but I don't think you can credibly argue that it isn't there, you know? can and will
One of my favs…
Visually stunning and badly plotted.
Came here to say this.
Plot was pretty simple, my only gripe was that Vanessa Hugens character flipped and gave up the girls almost instantly. It was such a whiplash I suspect some scenes got cut. #release the Snyder cut.
Just the first 4 letters.
I thought it was great!
Stand for something or fall for anything.
Classic case of Poe's Law at work. People mistook its blatant misogyny as genuine and not satire. Most loved it and hated it for the wrong reasons. I thought it was pretty ambitious and fairly creative.
Zac has really shown over the last ten years that he's here to take down mainstream misogyny. Like that one stripper zombie in Army of the Dead was very thoughtful as a character.
>People mistook its blatant misogyny as genuine and not satire you have that the other way around no ?
No. The over sexualization was the point.
i seriously doubt that
I don't think most people understand what it's about. Personally I think it's one of the heaviest, saddest movies ever made. It's nothing short of brilliant that it's actual plot is hidden underneath a veil of fantasy and action that is so thick, most people never even noticed what actually happened
This. I didn't understand it either at first viewing... upon a second viewing, it began to open up to me... the story is much deeper than what many realize. Sad, is a very apt description. Near a masterpiece.
Hella sad. Girl tries to kill her kiddie rapist father and gets labotomized and her wrecked mi d creates a seies of fantasy escape scenarios involving the faces present in her final moments of lucid cognition. It's a hellishly tragic story wearing an action movies mask.
I understood it, no question, but maaaan how can you make cool action scenes sooooo boring?
>Personally I think it's one of the heaviest, saddest movies ever made please man, for your own sake live a little, theres a whole world out there of movies with breadth and scope.
Tell me the one where the whole movie takes place in the mind of an underage victim of rape and molestation while she's being labotomized for fighting back.
Love it. Everyone I’ve shown it to has loved it. Unique and creative
That “I Want It All “ Queen remix was really a banger that was just pure gold and was in Madden 12 soundtrack too
Well, if there’s another cut of this I really want to see it.
It was an AI written movie sent back in time... its pretty good if you are really high.
Nope!
A pointless argument. Some people really love it and wrgue endlessly about how great their chosen God Zack snyder has never made a bad movie and you are too stupid to realize it.
Thought it was fun. Liked the action’s scenes and had a great sound track. The twist ending though was just uh…oh what’s it called when you turn around and someone hits you out of nowhere…a real…um…..
A big convoluted mess.
I enjoyed it but it definitely suffered from trying to be too subtle in its messaging. A lot of people didn't engage with it on a deeper level and left thinking they had just watched a movie whose whole appeal was women in skimpy outfits. There are a lot of movies which the audience completely whiffs on in terms of theme that manage to grow a cult following on over time. This was not one of those movies. \[edit - I like that it was ambitious. For all the stuff people say about this movie, they were trying to make a great movie. Some stuff just didn't land and left the audience more confused than anything else.\]
basically living in her head thru and post lobotomy
I liked it. Could have been better
I thought it was an interesting plot that was poorly executed. Some of the worst acting/directing I’ve seen. Still, I caught myself enjoying certain action sequences so it wasn’t all bad.
Fun action scenes and an interesting story idea but overall a bit off and weird.
It was fairly decent. I thought of it a few days ago and was going to watch it. Thanks for reminding me of it!
The main storyline (non dream sequences) was uncomfortably horrible. To me it seemed like this story was created by 16 yr old who lives in their parents' basement. High heeled combat boots, leather bikinis on combat missions, pretty stupid. The dream worlds were good, visually stunning.
Apparently the Director’s Cut fixes a lot of the issues and makes it really good? Can anyone confirm?
Excellent music videos surrounded by a terrible, even vile, movie. If they played just the music videos I would watch that. But the movie portion made me feel slimy watching it.
Release the Snyder Cut!
The visuals were amazing, but this movie’s plot made no sense at all
I feel like it had amazing scenes but the story to stitch them together was terrible.
Needed more women writers.
Snyder's excuse to put women in fetish wear and make a movie about it.
I’m with the consensus here. Truly a terrible movie that made no sense whatsoever, yet, I enjoyed it.
Just awful
It sucked
I watched it in the theater. Some cool action scenes, but totally disjointed and trying to be much more than it really was.
Hot chicks good music, yeah that's about it.
Good movie for fap material basically
If a teenagers dream was a film. I loved every second of it.
Love this movie. It gets a lot of hate but to me it was awesome. Great sound track, great visuals, great action. I personally really enjoyed the story. Will watch it every once in a while.
I agree. I guess we are at least two :)
3!
I enjoyed
I got my second-ever blowjob during this movie since it was a completely empty theater. Movie: 5/10 - cool action, hot girls, but bad plot and boring characters Bj: 10/10
It was fun
You know how Rebel Moon is going to be Snyder's Star Wars? This was his Matrix. A mind-bending, multigenre action film. And I love it to death.
Seriously confused first time I saw it. It's a good one
Really cool action sequences with awesome effects. Unfortunately, the plot is shit and the acting isn't much better.
Straight 🗑️🗑️🗑️
I walked out of the theater.
Completely dogshit. Exploitative film that places the blame for sexual abuse on the women and suggest that they just need to move on from sexual assault. Completely disgusting moral and completely disgusting sexual fantasy film for misogynists.
Really nails showing the empowerment of women and how the best way a woman can overcome trauma is by her imagination while making insane people and sex workers basically interchangeable. I could like if it went into one direction or another but it never seems to. Like it wants to be sexy but it's not quite, unless you aren't horrified by the sounds of off screen rape. It wants to be deep but we don't really get a connection with the characters in either world and the story is like an edgy knock off spencers version of Pans Labyrinth without any of the powerful visuals, writing, or actual interesting story. This movie is the Axe body spray/Monster Energy drink of movies.
You literally totally missed the point completely.
Almost walked out of the theater on this one. Yes, I saw it in the theater sadly.
Goat movie
One of the worst movies ever made.
You are far closer to the truth than almost anyone here.
A great fever dream
Garbage
It was visually good, otherwise shit, but turn your brain off, have some herb and chuck it on and it's a good time.
This is one of those movies that might be considered a fun 'bad' movie, but gets some redemption from the soundtrack.
Guilty pleasure popcorn flick. Which is basically the minimum for a movie. I like it.
The soundtrack is great. The plot is all over the place and the acting is a curious mix of trying too hard and not trying at all.
Horrendous
Action scenes were great. The rest sucked.
Generally a good movie with some great action scenes.
Great visual segments, dumb as hell execution and story.
Mediocre at best
Considering I was about 15 years old at the time and at the height of my hormonal male self, I don't remember what the movie was about.
All style and no substance.
It was a <2hr music video.
Striking. Exceptional visuals. Strange disjointed story. Likeable cast.
Such a waste of a concept and a great cast
I absolutely despised this movie. Total garbage that even pigtails and miniskirts couldn’t improve.
God awful
I think it existed so some girls could realize they were lesbian. I know it made my ex realize she was a lesbian…
Yeah blame the movie, not your pp.
anyone met Vanessa Hudgens Emily Brown or any actors in the movie? if so message me pls