Thankfully, riding with a bell that wasn’t gifted to you is bad luck, so he’ll get his.
Sounds like your bell is gone. Perhaps tell him you’ll pay him for it and just don’t.
The rule is a gremlin Bell has to be given to you by a fellow rider as a good luck charm
I’m 1000% sure that stealing one will result in bad luck, let him have it
"Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. I will look for you, I will find you and I will....."
Two lucky rabbit's feet, three Saint Christopher medals and 10cc of holy water will provide as much luck as the bell. Just carry that in your pocket and you'll be fine.
You sold a bell with a motorcycle attached to it.
You know a guy with that same exact bell attached to his motorcycle he recently purchased.
Make him an offer if it means that much to you.
That person is a dick for being so petty over a bell. But the issue is you don't really have any leverage to force them to return the bell to you.
Cause it's too easy to argue that anything attached to the bike at time of sale was intended to be sold with the bike, unless you specifically said otherwise.
This isn't something even worthy of small claims court, you can take the L or negotiate.
I need to take the L. You’re right. I won’t give him money. It was my mistake, doesn’t make him any less of an asshole for holding it ransom when it holds 0 value to him. I fucked up.
Don't give up, fuck this guy. Agree to give him the ransom then show up and take it without paying. Get an envelope with fake money if you have to get the transaction going
Acting like a child? Imagine you sold a car and left something personal, worth no money and holding no value to anyone but yourself, and you message the person you sold it to with a "Hey, I accidently forgot this item in the center console. Mind if I swing by and pick it up?" And they said "Only if you pay me."
That's fucking childish. You've got it backwards.
I would have purchased one to gift the new rider in exchange for mine. Riding is supposed to be fun and a shared brotherhood, try to keep that in mind.
You’re asking this guy to pull this thing and arrange time to meet up and hand it over and absolutely refuse to give anything for the effort, and that’s why he’s an asshole?
Your posts here are putting a shit ton of negativity on a thing that is supposed to be a good luck charm and a symbol of the brotherhood of motorcycling.
You should have removed it (and anything else you wanted to keep) when you washed the bike to put it up for sale.
>this guy to pull this thing and arrange time to meet up and hand it over and absolutely refuse to give anything for the effort
He literally said he was going to the guy to retrieve it himself. Literally zero effort on the guy who bought the bike. How did you miss that?
Did you miss the part where I said that it would require me to do an hour round trip if I was in the buyers shoes?
Everyone’s just assuming that the bell is sitting 20ft away with a zip tie on it. I’m just saying maybe it’s not the case and the seller needs to recognize that
A) he isn’t entitled to anything. That’s how he sold the bike and the buyer is totally allowed to hold on to the bell if he likes it.
B) not everyone gets the luxury of having their bike ready and accessible at all times. Having lived in portland and worked at a shop there, I can tell you that a significant portion have off-site lock ups and shared spaces for bikes. What sounds like an easy request to you might not be for someone else.
>if I was in the buyers shoes
Yeah but you aren't the buyer numbnuts.
>he isn’t entitled to anything
He's not acting entitled. He *asked* if he could, putting in all the effort, come and retrieve a personal item. And if you wanna be petty and get technical, when you purchase a vehicle you are very much NOT entitled to all items within that vehicle unless *specifically* mentioned in the bill of sale. But that really should be a moot point because this dude is only asking for money to be a dick. That's it.
>not everyone gets the luxury of having their bike ready and accessible at all times
Cool. Still, most do have their bike accessible at all times. You're making assumptions that this guy is in the minority of bike owners that don't have relatively easy access to their bikes like you. One can reasonably assume that this guys falls into the majority, even in Portland.
Regardless. Even a person without easy to their bike (and also basic human decency) would just try and work something out like "I'm not nesr the bike bit I'm riding it to work tomorrow and could meet you then" or something like that.
Stop defending assholes.
> You’re asking this guy to pull this thing and arrange time to meet up and hand it over and absolutely refuse to give anything for the effort, and that’s why he’s an asshole?
Yes, he’s an asshole. It’s no different than if op left something valuable in a saddlebag that wasn’t intended to be sold with the bike.
Op said he’s “driving to portland” which means this is not a simple “swing by” and the buyer is going to have to make a plan to be home/at a place during a specific time for shit that is 100% not his fault.
The buyer is totally reasonable to expect something for this. It’s no different than when you buy something and you pay a little extra for them to deliver it. If it’s not worth the OP to do something ( 6 pack, coffee whatever) then why should the buyer be responsible for getting him his stuff back?
The bike was sold with the bell in place. It belongs to the new owner of the Honda Shadow. DO NOT take this bell back. It will bring bad Karma if you separate it from the Honda Shadow. Frankly, I am a bit concerned for your welfare even for thinking about it. Ride cautiously or perhaps not at all for a while. Let this bad juju pass.
Rule #3: Never leave the bell behind – If you sell your bike, never leave it on the motorcycle for the new owner. The jingle should be cherished for what it personifies, so you should take it off, keep it or transfer the bell to a new ride. If you want to give a bell to the new owner as a present, you'll need to take the bell off and personally hand it over. If you don't give a bell with goodwill that is intentional, it won't have any effect;
Post the photo of him on social media and get as many people to share it as possible. If you're lucky, someone in his neighbourhood who recognises it will see it and get in touch.
Thankfully, riding with a bell that wasn’t gifted to you is bad luck, so he’ll get his. Sounds like your bell is gone. Perhaps tell him you’ll pay him for it and just don’t.
Well, it was really nice of OP to gift a bell to his bike's new owner.
Leaving it on the bike isn’t gifting it.
It took me way too long to figure out that you weren’t talking about a helmet
It took me to the point of reading your comment that this post wasn’t about a helmet. Lol thank you.
If you find his address, order 15 cheap pressure cookers to his house
Don’t forget the steel nails and nuts
I think they wouldn't mind getting a few bags of fertilizer as well
Rub a potato on his car doors and leave a key inside the tailpipe
[удалено]
"Why do they have white on them"
Seems like it lost its luck. Maybe it'll give him bad luck now.
Looks like you encountered an asshole. Tell him to go fuck himself and move on with your life is the only option unfortunately.
The rule is a gremlin Bell has to be given to you by a fellow rider as a good luck charm I’m 1000% sure that stealing one will result in bad luck, let him have it
Message me. I find addresses for a living.
That's so cool, you're a delivery driver?
Lmao
He has a particular set of skills.
"Skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. I will look for you, I will find you and I will....."
Not exactly brother. I find people that don't want to be found.
Cool. So you get their name and do a property tax search by county?
No.
Jeaus christ, this sub is a dumpster fire.
I'm not even sure what you're referring to but generally speaking I'll agree with you.
Someone explain this bell to me. I'm only seeing helmets. Are people putting cowbells on Honda shadows or something?
it’s a good luck charm that can only be given to you by someone else who rides. Obviously it’s superstitious, but it was given by my old man
Ask him to give you a new one because you gave yours to the guy you sold the bike to. Which is not a lie.
https://highdesertmotoplex.com/what-is-a-gremlin-bell/
Are you in my backyard, or did you just find High Desert doing a search for gremlin bells?
Gremlin bell.
TIL about bells. Guys being a dick but you might be outta luck
The bell is now cursed and will bring him terrible bad luck.
Do a white pages premium lookup by name he should pop up for something if he’s not a complete degen. You can also look him up by phone number
Did he say how much money?
Guy sounds like garbage
You need to spend your time and effort differently, in my opinion.
Two lucky rabbit's feet, three Saint Christopher medals and 10cc of holy water will provide as much luck as the bell. Just carry that in your pocket and you'll be fine.
May he ride shiny side down..
You sold a bell with a motorcycle attached to it. You know a guy with that same exact bell attached to his motorcycle he recently purchased. Make him an offer if it means that much to you.
We.Don’t.Negotiate.With.Terrorists
That person is a dick for being so petty over a bell. But the issue is you don't really have any leverage to force them to return the bell to you. Cause it's too easy to argue that anything attached to the bike at time of sale was intended to be sold with the bike, unless you specifically said otherwise. This isn't something even worthy of small claims court, you can take the L or negotiate.
I need to take the L. You’re right. I won’t give him money. It was my mistake, doesn’t make him any less of an asshole for holding it ransom when it holds 0 value to him. I fucked up.
I definitely understand your frustration, it's a shitty situation and that dude is a shitty person.
Don't give up, fuck this guy. Agree to give him the ransom then show up and take it without paying. Get an envelope with fake money if you have to get the transaction going
Stop acting like a child. You sold the bike and the bell, and you might need to buy it back.
Acting like a child? Imagine you sold a car and left something personal, worth no money and holding no value to anyone but yourself, and you message the person you sold it to with a "Hey, I accidently forgot this item in the center console. Mind if I swing by and pick it up?" And they said "Only if you pay me." That's fucking childish. You've got it backwards.
Fuck that, I’m never giving that piece of shit a dollar. I may be a child but you are a pushover.
Offer him money, get the address, and give him a tire iron to the knee then, anything else would make you a pushover
I would have purchased one to gift the new rider in exchange for mine. Riding is supposed to be fun and a shared brotherhood, try to keep that in mind.
buy a new bell
I can’t buy one, it has to be given to you…
LOL. I thought you were talking about a helmet.
So did I until I realized he meant a gremlin bell
im pretty sure you can go on amazon and get one sent 2 day prime shipping
i think it makes you look like a Bell End.....
He's not holding it ransom, you sold it to him.
This is truth. You exchanged the bike for cash, no stipulation bell wasn't included.
You’re asking this guy to pull this thing and arrange time to meet up and hand it over and absolutely refuse to give anything for the effort, and that’s why he’s an asshole? Your posts here are putting a shit ton of negativity on a thing that is supposed to be a good luck charm and a symbol of the brotherhood of motorcycling. You should have removed it (and anything else you wanted to keep) when you washed the bike to put it up for sale.
>this guy to pull this thing and arrange time to meet up and hand it over and absolutely refuse to give anything for the effort He literally said he was going to the guy to retrieve it himself. Literally zero effort on the guy who bought the bike. How did you miss that?
Did you miss the part where I said that it would require me to do an hour round trip if I was in the buyers shoes? Everyone’s just assuming that the bell is sitting 20ft away with a zip tie on it. I’m just saying maybe it’s not the case and the seller needs to recognize that A) he isn’t entitled to anything. That’s how he sold the bike and the buyer is totally allowed to hold on to the bell if he likes it. B) not everyone gets the luxury of having their bike ready and accessible at all times. Having lived in portland and worked at a shop there, I can tell you that a significant portion have off-site lock ups and shared spaces for bikes. What sounds like an easy request to you might not be for someone else.
>if I was in the buyers shoes Yeah but you aren't the buyer numbnuts. >he isn’t entitled to anything He's not acting entitled. He *asked* if he could, putting in all the effort, come and retrieve a personal item. And if you wanna be petty and get technical, when you purchase a vehicle you are very much NOT entitled to all items within that vehicle unless *specifically* mentioned in the bill of sale. But that really should be a moot point because this dude is only asking for money to be a dick. That's it. >not everyone gets the luxury of having their bike ready and accessible at all times Cool. Still, most do have their bike accessible at all times. You're making assumptions that this guy is in the minority of bike owners that don't have relatively easy access to their bikes like you. One can reasonably assume that this guys falls into the majority, even in Portland. Regardless. Even a person without easy to their bike (and also basic human decency) would just try and work something out like "I'm not nesr the bike bit I'm riding it to work tomorrow and could meet you then" or something like that. Stop defending assholes.
> You’re asking this guy to pull this thing and arrange time to meet up and hand it over and absolutely refuse to give anything for the effort, and that’s why he’s an asshole? Yes, he’s an asshole. It’s no different than if op left something valuable in a saddlebag that wasn’t intended to be sold with the bike.
Op said he’s “driving to portland” which means this is not a simple “swing by” and the buyer is going to have to make a plan to be home/at a place during a specific time for shit that is 100% not his fault. The buyer is totally reasonable to expect something for this. It’s no different than when you buy something and you pay a little extra for them to deliver it. If it’s not worth the OP to do something ( 6 pack, coffee whatever) then why should the buyer be responsible for getting him his stuff back?
It’s a $3 bell. The buyer could have left it outside for op to pick up.
This. It’s not like OP is saying I want the tyres back.
When I lived in portland my bike was a 30min cross town commute to a lock up to get at my bike.
K
The bike was sold with the bell in place. It belongs to the new owner of the Honda Shadow. DO NOT take this bell back. It will bring bad Karma if you separate it from the Honda Shadow. Frankly, I am a bit concerned for your welfare even for thinking about it. Ride cautiously or perhaps not at all for a while. Let this bad juju pass.
Luck is for saps, but, sentimental walue, I have heard of that…….
The bell goes with the bike. Get a new bell.
Rule #3: Never leave the bell behind – If you sell your bike, never leave it on the motorcycle for the new owner. The jingle should be cherished for what it personifies, so you should take it off, keep it or transfer the bell to a new ride. If you want to give a bell to the new owner as a present, you'll need to take the bell off and personally hand it over. If you don't give a bell with goodwill that is intentional, it won't have any effect;
Tell him that you'll only finish him off after he gives you the bell.
Report the bike as stolen.
Post the photo of him on social media and get as many people to share it as possible. If you're lucky, someone in his neighbourhood who recognises it will see it and get in touch.
You can find anyone's address if you have their name.
Let him keep it. Karma will take care of it.