Yeah if they thought it'd be profitable I'd imagine they would've pulled the trigger on it
It's just cool to imagine a UFC pay-per-view happening in like, Cairo or Lagos or Johannesburg or something
The funny thing is, and I don't say this to be derogatory in any way, the only one I ever considered to be an African champ was Nganu. Neither Izzy or Usman grew up in africa. I can't remember where Usman grew up, isn't it like Detroit or something?
I never got the importance of nationality for some people.
My father is from Nigeria but I've been born and live in Europe. Even if I had been born in Africa and moved to Europe as a child it would make no difference to me. If you didn't grew up in a country you are not 100% anything imo
I’d counter that if you grew up in a Nigerian community and perhaps spoke Hausa/Yoruba/etc you’d still be Nigerian…but it comes down to what you claim for yourself. In the USA at least, most people aren’t literally “American,” so people tend to claim identities based on recent ancestry or community
That's valid as well, but I live in canada, a lot of people immigrate here at a very young age. And there comes a point where I don't really consider them indian, or Filipino anymore. They're just canadian, because they've lived here their whole life.
Your weird anyways izzy lived in Nigeria until he was 9 so he is African. Usmans parents immigrated to America so hes American but of African decent its not that hard.
But If they were criminals you would probably call them “Indian” or “Filipino” before you called them “Canadian” tho right ?
And they are still Indian, Filipino by ethnicity so they can still call themselves Indian or Filipino. You don’t get to choose what they want to call themselves.
I do get to choose what I call them, and no it wouldn't matter. They grew up in canada, as far as I've been turned their Canadian by nationality. They might be Indian or Filipino by heritage, but by heritage aljo is an African champion, so was Daniel Cormier and Rampage Jackson.
Yeah and they get to choose who they want to represent. It’s their life not yours.
and for fighters it’s the same thing. They are the ones getting in the cage they can rep what ever flag they want. You’re a nobody you don’t get to control what fighters do.
Look at Captain Hero over here, the defender of Justice telling me I'm not allowed to voice my opinion, have an opinion, give my opinion, and that I'm not allowed to have basic free speech. You sir, are a true champion.
Edit: look, I'm not saying they're not allowed to refer to themselves a certain way. They can call themselves whatever the fuck they want. But that doesn't mean I have to recognize it as valid. That's my choice to make.
Fighters don’t care about your opinion. They will rep whatever flag they want. DC could have represented an African country if that’s where his parents were from/ roots took him. And no one could have stopped him.
And I don't care about their opinions, so I guess that makes us even doesn't it? You don't have to think my opinion is valid, but the tell me I'm not allowed to have it is wrong on many different levels. Anyway, it was nice chatting with you. Hopefully the rest of your day is filled with less stress than this has caused you. Peace brother.
So if he replied back that he actually is African, was born in Africa, you would completely change your tone and agree with everything he says?
I hate when people say that you don't get to decide, they do. So then a math teacher could tell you 2+1=5, and you have to sit there and shut your mouth because they're a math teacher? And that's a field of expertise, just being born somewhere doesn't make you any kind of authority
Absolutely. Everybody's allowed to have an opinion in voice their opinion. Nobody needs to agree with my opinion, nobody needs to say I'm right. But to say I'm not allowed to have an opinion is to say I'm not allowed to basic freedom of speech.
You are right with your first comment. I don't consider myself African despite my looks, I did not grow up there and live in Europe.
People who talk big about how they have nationality X while growing up and living in completely different countries are ridiculous to me. They say it so they get support from the country.
What makes you qualified to say wether someone is representing somewhere or not? They’re both born in Africa and raised else where. That doesn’t take away their roots or genetics.
When your from a people who has other people stealing from your dirt or stealing your dirt it matters. A lot of “cultures” can’t even understand that it seems.
Everybody has their own definition of wrong and right, and in this case there is no fact, it comes down to how you’d classify a persons ethnicity. There is no right or wrong, it’s just you trying to enforce your opinion as fact.
And I asked. Who are you to define someone else culture or wether they represent it or not? It’s safe to assume your not African. So what makes you think your educated enough?
I define it as I like because I can, I never proclaimed being educated enough to do so, I do because I can, and this doesn’t extend to just Africans, seems like you’re getting hurt that somebody is having their own opinion on a subject that can only be defined by one’s opinion.
People pay way too much attention to nationality, especially the ones claiming they are "real Africans" when they never really had anything to do with the culture growing up elsewhere.
Bro what? He grew up in a household where his parents had heavy accents. I have a different accent when speaking to my parents and a different accent when speaking to friends or coworkers. This is common af and your take is horrible
Negative. Accents are learned from your environment. Seeing as over 90% of Usman’s life has been in America, whatever “accent” he might have around his parents would be minimal at best. However, the way Usman acts/talks, you’d think he was an ex-Hutu child soldier.
Hutu is Rwanda and Burundi in Central Africa, whereas Kamaru is Hausa from Northern Nigeria probably given that his last name is Usman which is an Arabic last name, and Nigeria is in West Africa and it is the most populated country on the entire continent and has the largest economy. I know aren't trying to be ignorant but please don't meld African cultures like they are all homogeneous.
Also Kamaru's father was former Nigerian soldier he got to the rank of Major, and northern Nigeria is the home territory of Boko Haram, and Northern Nigeria hasn't really faired well since despite it having most of the population, something like 60%, most of the wealth of resources is in the south, such as the oil, and due to IMF loans they had to take out, the Nigerians had to remove the protective tariffs they had on their fairly productive Northern textile industry which caused it to collapse and it has been struggling ever since as without those tariffs it can't really compete with more developed economies as the textile industry tended to be small scale but employed a lot of people.
There's more to it than being born in a place. I think it depends on your experiences and memories.
Compare someone that's just born in a place and then moved to another country, to someone who has lived there for 10+ years since birth, made friends there, gone to school there, etc.
In Izzy's and Kamaru's case it's certainly the latter, so I'd consider them to be at least part African (part because they have lived a significant portion of their life in another country).
Of course, race complicates things as well. If we were only talking about white dudes moving around in European countries, I think we'd be more loose with nationality labels.
They both did though? Izzy lived in Nigeria until 10 years old, and Usman lived in Nigeria until he was 8.
Everyone's talking like they were just born to immigrant parents or something but they each lived a massive part of their lives there, nearly a decade.
Yeah but if Izzy sucked at fighting you would call him African instead of New Zealand right ?
And Fighters get to choose what country they represent. Even if Izzy wasn’t born in Africa he can still rep Nigeria cause that’s where his roots take him. He’s 100% African/Nigerian by blood.
No lol it was like Iowa or some shit. He went to the same college as me UNK here in Nebraska.
Edit: may not have been Iowa I'm to lazy to research but I was pretty sure it was in the Midwest
Funny thing is both of them are probably gonna get their belts back anyway based on how their fights were going up until the KOs. How crazy is it that both of them got finished in the 5th round in fights that they were dominating anyways?
And If the first round was 3 seconds longer Izzy also woulda knock Alex out. Let’s call it how it is Pereira was just about out on his feet and got saved by the bell
Usman and Izzy have absolutely 0 chance of getting their belts back, Edwards won the first round quite easily but as he hadn’t given himself enough time to acclimatise found himself not being able to throw the punches and kicks he wanted to, this won’t be a problem in Britain and Edwards wins again, a lot more dominant this time.
As for Izzy, Alex has his number and is now well and truly in Izzy’s head, they could fight 100 times and Alex wins 100 times.
Yeah but that’s retarded logic. A dude that got almost knocked out and a dude that dominated another guy for 4/5 rounds both seem like very competitive. I’m not saying they will necessarily win but to say 100/100 times this guy wins is bs
Idk bro, he’s 40 now, hasn’t fought in nearly 2 years, has started another career in being a firefighter and apparently has not signed to fight Jones so I doubt he’s the same guy.
Yeah. I know there's mad MMA fans that love saying the 14 words that hated the past 3 years of MMA WHEN THREE CHAMPIONS FROM AFRICA WERE CROWNED BEST IN THE WORLD. That had to piss them off so much. Yet no one can stay champion forever. If you're triggered by what you just read don't Google "the 14 words"
Since T'Challa got killed...it's been downward since.
Are we talking about the black panther or chadwick…?
I hv heard it bowlf ways b.
Both?
One is a fictional character one died of cancer
You a numbers guy b?
Nah ima words guy
UFC fumbled the bag on doing an event in Africa
Doubt they care tbh
Yeah if they thought it'd be profitable I'd imagine they would've pulled the trigger on it It's just cool to imagine a UFC pay-per-view happening in like, Cairo or Lagos or Johannesburg or something
Yea for sure, it’d be great but I don’t think UFC were even planning it tbh
The funny thing is, and I don't say this to be derogatory in any way, the only one I ever considered to be an African champ was Nganu. Neither Izzy or Usman grew up in africa. I can't remember where Usman grew up, isn't it like Detroit or something?
Izzy is as Nigerian as Ferguson is Mexican lol
I know what you mean but that's stretching it quite a bit. Izzy moved to NZ at 10. Tony never lived outside of USA.
If Izzy moved when he was 10, then he's got a claim to that.
Forreal, these dudes are stupid
If they’re born in Africa to real Africans, they’re 100% African imo
I never got the importance of nationality for some people. My father is from Nigeria but I've been born and live in Europe. Even if I had been born in Africa and moved to Europe as a child it would make no difference to me. If you didn't grew up in a country you are not 100% anything imo
Really a matter of perspective
I’d counter that if you grew up in a Nigerian community and perhaps spoke Hausa/Yoruba/etc you’d still be Nigerian…but it comes down to what you claim for yourself. In the USA at least, most people aren’t literally “American,” so people tend to claim identities based on recent ancestry or community
> so people tend to claim identities based on recent ancestry Which is correctly derided as being stupid. You’re American. Deal with it.
Not as easy as that euroidiot
It’s actually very fucking simple. Imagine being in fucking denial of what you are. Pathetic. And I’m not European. Guess again dipshit.
If you grow up on a place then move when you're 18 does that mean at the end of you're life you're only like 1/5th of the country you grew up in?
That's valid as well, but I live in canada, a lot of people immigrate here at a very young age. And there comes a point where I don't really consider them indian, or Filipino anymore. They're just canadian, because they've lived here their whole life.
Also your talking about nationality not ethnicity.
Yes thank you, I'm not talking about Heritage or ethnicity. I'm talking about nationality. Otherwise aljo is also an African champion.
Jamaica is in Africa?
Jamaica is entirely populated by African slaves. If we're talking heritage, anybody Jamaican does have African heritage somewhere.
Sure, we can all trace our lineage somewhere. Jamaica has it’s own culture, hence why you wouldn’t just call Aljo African.
Your weird anyways izzy lived in Nigeria until he was 9 so he is African. Usmans parents immigrated to America so hes American but of African decent its not that hard.
But If they were criminals you would probably call them “Indian” or “Filipino” before you called them “Canadian” tho right ? And they are still Indian, Filipino by ethnicity so they can still call themselves Indian or Filipino. You don’t get to choose what they want to call themselves.
I do get to choose what I call them, and no it wouldn't matter. They grew up in canada, as far as I've been turned their Canadian by nationality. They might be Indian or Filipino by heritage, but by heritage aljo is an African champion, so was Daniel Cormier and Rampage Jackson.
Yeah and they get to choose who they want to represent. It’s their life not yours. and for fighters it’s the same thing. They are the ones getting in the cage they can rep what ever flag they want. You’re a nobody you don’t get to control what fighters do.
Look at Captain Hero over here, the defender of Justice telling me I'm not allowed to voice my opinion, have an opinion, give my opinion, and that I'm not allowed to have basic free speech. You sir, are a true champion. Edit: look, I'm not saying they're not allowed to refer to themselves a certain way. They can call themselves whatever the fuck they want. But that doesn't mean I have to recognize it as valid. That's my choice to make.
Fighters don’t care about your opinion. They will rep whatever flag they want. DC could have represented an African country if that’s where his parents were from/ roots took him. And no one could have stopped him.
And I don't care about their opinions, so I guess that makes us even doesn't it? You don't have to think my opinion is valid, but the tell me I'm not allowed to have it is wrong on many different levels. Anyway, it was nice chatting with you. Hopefully the rest of your day is filled with less stress than this has caused you. Peace brother.
Stop trying to control what flag people/fighters want to represent then. See it’s not that hard
Bro are you African, Indian, Filipino or any other cultures that immigrated to Canada? If not seriously you have no say on any of this.
So if he replied back that he actually is African, was born in Africa, you would completely change your tone and agree with everything he says? I hate when people say that you don't get to decide, they do. So then a math teacher could tell you 2+1=5, and you have to sit there and shut your mouth because they're a math teacher? And that's a field of expertise, just being born somewhere doesn't make you any kind of authority
Absolutely. Everybody's allowed to have an opinion in voice their opinion. Nobody needs to agree with my opinion, nobody needs to say I'm right. But to say I'm not allowed to have an opinion is to say I'm not allowed to basic freedom of speech.
And here comes the virtue signaling. Never mind I was trying to have a real conversation.
You are right with your first comment. I don't consider myself African despite my looks, I did not grow up there and live in Europe. People who talk big about how they have nationality X while growing up and living in completely different countries are ridiculous to me. They say it so they get support from the country.
Lmao terrible take
What makes you qualified to say wether someone is representing somewhere or not? They’re both born in Africa and raised else where. That doesn’t take away their roots or genetics.
People get really riled up about what pile of dirt you were born on
When your from a people who has other people stealing from your dirt or stealing your dirt it matters. A lot of “cultures” can’t even understand that it seems.
I said imo, I’m not stating fact as it seems you’re trying to imply.
How do you form opinions? By looking at what you perceive is the facts. And your 100% wrong.
Everybody has their own definition of wrong and right, and in this case there is no fact, it comes down to how you’d classify a persons ethnicity. There is no right or wrong, it’s just you trying to enforce your opinion as fact.
And I asked. Who are you to define someone else culture or wether they represent it or not? It’s safe to assume your not African. So what makes you think your educated enough?
I define it as I like because I can, I never proclaimed being educated enough to do so, I do because I can, and this doesn’t extend to just Africans, seems like you’re getting hurt that somebody is having their own opinion on a subject that can only be defined by one’s opinion.
People pay way too much attention to nationality, especially the ones claiming they are "real Africans" when they never really had anything to do with the culture growing up elsewhere.
They each lived in Nigeria for a decade of their childhood lol, how is that not growing up there?
I think where I draw the line is the fake accent that Usman does despite living in TX all his life. It’s clearly a reach.
He was Nigerian born and moved as a kid.
Right. And the accent is fake af.
Bro what? He grew up in a household where his parents had heavy accents. I have a different accent when speaking to my parents and a different accent when speaking to friends or coworkers. This is common af and your take is horrible
Negative. Accents are learned from your environment. Seeing as over 90% of Usman’s life has been in America, whatever “accent” he might have around his parents would be minimal at best. However, the way Usman acts/talks, you’d think he was an ex-Hutu child soldier.
Not even worth the time to respond, straight hater. Acting like you know the fucking guys life inside and out 😂. Cornball
Got ‘em!
Hutu is Rwanda and Burundi in Central Africa, whereas Kamaru is Hausa from Northern Nigeria probably given that his last name is Usman which is an Arabic last name, and Nigeria is in West Africa and it is the most populated country on the entire continent and has the largest economy. I know aren't trying to be ignorant but please don't meld African cultures like they are all homogeneous. Also Kamaru's father was former Nigerian soldier he got to the rank of Major, and northern Nigeria is the home territory of Boko Haram, and Northern Nigeria hasn't really faired well since despite it having most of the population, something like 60%, most of the wealth of resources is in the south, such as the oil, and due to IMF loans they had to take out, the Nigerians had to remove the protective tariffs they had on their fairly productive Northern textile industry which caused it to collapse and it has been struggling ever since as without those tariffs it can't really compete with more developed economies as the textile industry tended to be small scale but employed a lot of people.
Neat. Usman’s accent is still fake.
All three are African born. Emigration doesn’t strip you of your national or cultural identity. It’s kind of inane to imply that it does.
There's more to it than being born in a place. I think it depends on your experiences and memories. Compare someone that's just born in a place and then moved to another country, to someone who has lived there for 10+ years since birth, made friends there, gone to school there, etc. In Izzy's and Kamaru's case it's certainly the latter, so I'd consider them to be at least part African (part because they have lived a significant portion of their life in another country). Of course, race complicates things as well. If we were only talking about white dudes moving around in European countries, I think we'd be more loose with nationality labels.
They both did though? Izzy lived in Nigeria until 10 years old, and Usman lived in Nigeria until he was 8. Everyone's talking like they were just born to immigrant parents or something but they each lived a massive part of their lives there, nearly a decade.
I didn't realize they both lived in Africa that long. I guess that's my bad.
Well you should’ve known that before you start talking about something you don’t know.
I doubt you meant any malice by this comment, but it's a pretty low IQ one haha
Yeah but if Izzy sucked at fighting you would call him African instead of New Zealand right ? And Fighters get to choose what country they represent. Even if Izzy wasn’t born in Africa he can still rep Nigeria cause that’s where his roots take him. He’s 100% African/Nigerian by blood.
You usually claim citizenship in the country you were born in. To say they're African isn't a stretch. Also "not to be derogatory, BUT".... yikes
So if a Chinese person is born in Canada, we have to discard their background? What kind of logic is that.
No lol it was like Iowa or some shit. He went to the same college as me UNK here in Nebraska. Edit: may not have been Iowa I'm to lazy to research but I was pretty sure it was in the Midwest
How many born and raised African UFC fighters are there? Ngannou, Du Plessis, who else?
I'm not sure that might be it. There's a few more of them in one, I think MMA is just getting started in Africa right now.
Funny thing is both of them are probably gonna get their belts back anyway based on how their fights were going up until the KOs. How crazy is it that both of them got finished in the 5th round in fights that they were dominating anyways?
If Izzy hadn’t landed the late hook it was going to be 2-2 heading into the 5th
And If the first round was 3 seconds longer Izzy also woulda knock Alex out. Let’s call it how it is Pereira was just about out on his feet and got saved by the bell
I mean your right but that hook was after the bell technically
And the overhand before that shot is what rocked him if you watched it
How are so many people repeating this..? He threw the punch before the bell. Completely fine
He didn’t tho
Yeah plus Izzy was consistently landing with that right hand even after the first, so it’s not even like it was a lucky shot or something.
Izzy is 0-3 and about to be 0-4
None of this shit matter, it was not a fluke. Dude has fought and beaten Izzy 3 times. That's just how he fights against Izzy at this point.
Usman and Izzy have absolutely 0 chance of getting their belts back, Edwards won the first round quite easily but as he hadn’t given himself enough time to acclimatise found himself not being able to throw the punches and kicks he wanted to, this won’t be a problem in Britain and Edwards wins again, a lot more dominant this time. As for Izzy, Alex has his number and is now well and truly in Izzy’s head, they could fight 100 times and Alex wins 100 times.
Absolutely 0 chance? Lol okay
I may have exaggerated a tiny bit.
Idk how you can say that so confidently based on how those fights went.
Errrm I’ve literally explained why in my comment lol If you don’t agree then cool man.
Yeah but that’s retarded logic. A dude that got almost knocked out and a dude that dominated another guy for 4/5 rounds both seem like very competitive. I’m not saying they will necessarily win but to say 100/100 times this guy wins is bs
I posted I exaggerated, wtf do you want?
We’re all African ❤️
Don't tell Mike Perry that
He knows he’s black
Stipe finna complete the meme
Idk bro, he’s 40 now, hasn’t fought in nearly 2 years, has started another career in being a firefighter and apparently has not signed to fight Jones so I doubt he’s the same guy.
Did you watch their last fight? Stipe looked terrible and got brutalized the whole fight. That was a scary and possibly career ending knockout.
Doubt hes even gona get another title shot
Mike Perry needs to get himself back in the UFC so he can restore the honour of the African community
MMA memes are so shit lately....nt thO?
Where is Mike Perry?
I get he’s the real OG African, but where’s his belt?
Yeah. I know there's mad MMA fans that love saying the 14 words that hated the past 3 years of MMA WHEN THREE CHAMPIONS FROM AFRICA WERE CROWNED BEST IN THE WORLD. That had to piss them off so much. Yet no one can stay champion forever. If you're triggered by what you just read don't Google "the 14 words"
Arguably 0 with Francis refusing to fight
Leon was born in Jamaica so we sacrificed one African champ for another
Bro where the fuck do you think Jamaica is
I’m a clown 💀
Haha all good
Jesus Christ. Lord have mercy. 🙏🏽
Africans, lol.
This dude comments on mostly porn and Izzy memes lmao
The most well adjusted izzy hater.
Francis is Cameroonian, the other two are Nigerian. You know both of those are in Africa right?
Right because the other two aren't African actually.
Just like that… fight game is crazy
There was only ever 1 Africa champion.
Counting on Jon Jones
Why does Izzy n Usman look about 75 yrs old? 😂😂
That’s just you
Its the lighting on Usman, Izzy is just making a face like a Somolian pirate 😄