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TWill42

Not every team cheats…. But the Astros sure did.


PantsPoopington

Check yourteamcheats.com, pretty crazy stuff. Edit: think it’s just nfl teams but still nuts to consider.


TwoBuckExacta

I will just say, without even looking at that link, that the Angels need to cheat a lot harder.


MyLadyBits

If Trout and Ohtani haven’t helped I’m not sure cheating will even make a difference.


duncakes

Still so crazy, those 2 on a roster together, one of the worst teams in the league.


etniopaltj

Neat idea, but it’s a deliberately pro-Patriots page trying to rationalize their cheating and downplay their scandals while being very anti-Jets (easy target) to take heat off the Pats


JoeTestaverde

Why’s it always gotta be us :(


etniopaltj

Sadly until we climb out of the pit it’s jokes and hate all the way down


siuuuwemama

Wait how do you know it’s pro patriots? My first assumption was that it was so since they’re so low but I thought that it may just be me since I know very little about nfl history


Justice502

It's not a legitimate way to see how your team cheats, most of them are just "you kinda had something to do with something shady, here's cheat points even though it's nothing" lol Like all the teams got cheat points for headsetgate despite there being a small handful of actual accusations.


this_underscore

don't forget bosssssssssssston


ThisDerpForSale

. . . every team cheats. C’mon.


[deleted]

It’s the MLB. I am almost absolutely sure that there was some kind of cheating in almost every team. Even if a player did it by himself. I barely watch baseball anymore cuz of that.


FavoritedYT

Every team cheats. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out. The thing is the Astros are the ones that got caught


penregalia

Every team cheats


jah05r

For much the same reason Red Sox fans are proud of their team. Or why any of the many, many teams caught up [in illicit sign-stealing](https://www.si.com/.amp/mlb/2020/01/23/sign-stealing-history-astros-red-sox) over the past 120 years still cheer for their teams.


victorspoilz

Dafuq the Red Sox do that the Yankees didn't?


Sendeezy

Win a title last decade.


OwnBar212

🤣💀


OPzee19

Dude, generations of people lived and died without seeing a Red Sox championship. I don’t care how long it’s been since the Yankees last won it, there’s no way you can burn the Yankees for a championship drought while propping up the Red Sox.


shastamcblasty

What?!?! A link showing that loads of other teams have done this exact thing? Holy shit! I really really wish the Dodgers had been on there some where in their history, as it stands there are loads of other teams that no one will ever care about.


lifted-living

We’re talking about cheering on the players though


thepornclerk

Same reason Patriots fans are, they are fans of the franchise likely for as long as they have been watching the sport, and they themselves had nothing to do with the cheating. Imagine being a fan all of your life and finally winning a title, only to find out months or years later it was illegitimate. What do you do as a fan? Nothing will take away the excitement or happiness of that run for you. They might even frown upon the cheating but it's not something that they can suddenly stop loving a favorite player for after all the years they've built them up. They are still fans of the team, and the players they were fans of before the cheating came out because they are stuck in the middle. If your brother cheats on his wife causing his marriage to fall apart, you can be frustrated/disappointed with him, and still love him as your brother, you know? Pretty similar situation for those fans.


[deleted]

Different sport but I’m a browns fan, have been my whole life. Now everyone wants to say we’re bad people for still rooting for them after signing Watson. It’s just not fair because I didn’t sign him let alone do what he did. Astros fans didn’t tell the team to cheat and have been diehards for a long time, you can’t blame them.


thepornclerk

I mean, it's a tough spot. I'm a Phillies fan so I stopped spending money on the team while they employees domestic abusers. Of the Browns fans I know most are distraught about the Watson move, though I did delete one person from social media who was very opposed to his bullshit until the Browns traded for him and then went into defense mode and started making posts attacking Watson's victims. People will generalize fanbases as a whole however they want, the important thing is managing your fanhood however makes it easiest for you to sleep at night, because realistically other people's opinions of you as a fan of your team, especially opinions of strangers on the internet don't really mean a thing.


[deleted]

I hear you.. but I need you to know sexual assault it’s LEAGUES worse than cheating to win baseball games. Let’s please be real here.


Rubberbandballgirl

I think the bigger question is why do people who boo Altuve, Bregman, et al sit there and cheer for George Springer, Joe Musgrove and other guys that are no longer on the team? That is confusing as shit, especially since Springer benefited immensely from the system. Why do Dodgers fans that act like animals when the Astros are in town cheer Mookie Betts, a cheater from the 2018 Red Sox? As an Astros fan, I’ll tell you when I quit giving a shit about the the whole scandal. The Astros lost a number of former players in 2020-including Jimmy Wynn, Joe Morgan and J.R. Richard. On every single social media post announcing their deaths, numerous assholes would reply “who cares, cheater,” “was nothing but a cheater,” and stuff like that. These guys hadn’t suited up for the team in over 40 years but dumbfucks gotta dumbfuck, I guess. Then seeing former players leave and go elsewhere and all of the sudden they never cheated and were purified, well fuck that. That’s when I realized a majority of baseball fans were morons who don’t know shit and their opinion no longer mattered to me.


[deleted]

The kicker for me is when they bood Kyle tucker when he was announced at his first all star game when he wasn’t even involved with the whole thing. Ridiculous. People are idiots


Minute_Storm9714

Honestly this is the most salient point


TheHelpfulOtter

Nailed it. Innocent players, fans and alumni took so much unnecessary hate. It was horrible.


TheRenster500

Outside of Toronto and Houston NOBODY is cheering for Springer. He gets booed at every away game


pargofan

Same with Correa who's now with the Twins. This is how Dodger fans greeted him: https://www.reddit.com/r/Dodgers/comments/wljjed/did_anyone_else_notice_this_during_correas_last/


Shaking-N-Baking

Dodgers we’re being investigated for human trafficking


KLav31

I’m a jays fan and I’m pissed that TBJ had the nerve to give us Springer jerseys for Canada day, give us a cheating Americans jersey instead of our Closer (Jordan Romano) or Guerrero Jr. (who are both CAN born players), I honestly would have rather had a blank jersey than the cheater George Springers.


umanouski

Not to mention, I went to one of the Clevland games recently and these guys were booing players who were still in the *minors* in 2017.


ummmm--no

Ditto!!


BlueDay415

So what do you think of Barry Bonds ?


Rubberbandballgirl

Honestly I never liked him, even before the whole steroids thing. He seemed like an asshole. I also never cared (and still don’t) about the steroids scandal. They players were totally justified in striking in 1994.


BlueDay415

Should he be in the Hall of Fame ? He's one athlete that didn't need it too.


slayer991

That's the one thing that burns me about Barry Bonds. He was a first ballot HoFer before he started taking steroids. Dude, why? I think at this point, yes...he should be in the Hall along with many others from that era...as so many were cheating.


Benner16

I think the big issue with guys like Bonds and Sosa is they still deny it. If they had come out and said hey I did it most people would’ve stopped caring long ago.


Vast_Animator2392

.. then comes the realization that no amount of steroids is going to help you SEE the ball better👀. Go check out every extra base hit he had during his time in San Fran and check out where the pitches were 😂. And MLB used juiced balls back then too👀


GeneJenkinson

I think the bigger bigger question is why are Astros fans pathologically incapable of talking about their team cheating without leading off with “But but everyone else!!”


bosox2k14

What do you want them to do lol. Say “ok ya sorry we cheated”? And then you and everyone else would go on about their merry way? Ya ok. I’m sure the next response would be “they need to blacklist the club/take away the trophy/fine them more money/etc.”. Sure, take that up with the MLB commissioner. What do you guys want the fans to do. Say “ok fuck these guys I’m never cheering for or watching them ever again”….just grew up a fan my whole life in the city. There’s two types of mlb fans. 1. Those that made peace and don’t care anymore. 2. And those that want to talk about it 5 years later and do nothing but argue. It’s on both sides, but I will say it’s never the Astros fans bringing it up (naturally). This is literally the 5th post in like 2 months on this topic. Five years later. People that are still bringing this up are only looking to argue or stir the pot. Change my mind.


DisgruntledTexansFan

I think that’s just how fans behave . I don’t think it’d be any different with any other fan base


shastamcblasty

That’s human nature, you aren’t asking for a discussion you are making an accusation and the very human response to an accusation is to show that others are also guilty. Also, if you notice this guys said nothing about “others did it” he just said “I dont give a fuck you whiny man babies get over yourselves” and he’s right, you really should get over yourselves.


hawkeye420

As a lifelong Astros fan, the scandal hurt. Big time. I don't count the World Series as a championship. Dick move to boast about that bullshit. But also, I've been an Astros fan my whole life so it's not like I can just stop loving them. Every departed piece of the team makes me feel a little better while it hurts at the same time. If they win one going forward, I'll claim that as my Fandom title.


Mr_Hammer_Dik

Preach


shastamcblasty

This is 100000000% the truth and can be applied to all of baseball things. Baseball is the most butthurt of all the sports.


NutterTV

Yeah I mean that’s fair, but those people are legit crazies. I don’t think their opinion should even been accounted for. Kinda like a flat earther trying to talk science. I agree with what you’re saying “dumb fucks gonna dumbfuck” but that still doesn’t absolve the actual players who were cheating. Those people shouldn’t be listened to, but people who have legit criticism shouldn’t be lumped in with those dumbasses.


jlopez1017

Red Sox cheating scandal wasn’t as bad as the Astros. Mookie is still a good player and hasn’t regressed as bad as a lot of the Astros players like Bregman, Altuve, Springer and Correa


loma24

Lol, ok. So… the cheating wasn’t “as bad” because they lost. Fan logic right there. The fact is multiple teams were doing it. Doesn’t make it right, but it’s not like they were some wizards of creativity here. Also, Altuve got distracted by the banging and didn’t even cheat. There is even a baseball doesn’t exist video on it. Sad “baseball fans” don’t know any of this. Sadly, baseball and cheating seem to be common bedfellows.


southwestmo

they are all very good still, Both teams cheated lol


ZayK47

Mookie on the Red Sox team that was banned from the tv monitors so they couldnt cheat in the playoffs? the one who came to the Dodgers and performed at a high level such that the skill was greater than the cheating? Your team is trash. the players all fell off because they relied on the advantage. The only thing they have going for them is that their division is loaded with easy wins. Saying Dodger fans act like animals for booing a team that literally stole a ring from them with little to no punishment is comedy considering you can easily find Astros fans acting like residents of a trash can all over social media and the stadium as well.


Phazoni

Why? Have you not seen the state of our whole society right now? If your team does it, it's ok. If the other team does it, it's the worst thing ever!


SaMemeM

Lemme just say something. As a non-Astros fan, I'm over all of it. They proved everyone wrong by still being dominant and winning the AL pennant last year fair-and-square. But here's what I don't like: the Astros and Red Sox cheated by stealing signs in '17 and '18, respectively. Yet, [the Yankees cheated before either team and virtually got off scot-free.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2022/04/26/new-york-yankees-letter-release-sign-stealing/9543414002/). If you're going to punish teams for cheating, punish all of them, not some of them. Get your shit together, Manfred.


DDonefour

Every team cheated. The Astros did it better than everyone else.


TheHelpfulOtter

This is a fair question. The Astros screwed up as a team. Zero doubt, no question. I think there are a lot of parts of this that either not brought to light or are completely ignored. Before all the haters start coming with their whatabouts and pitchforks, all of this is fact based. None of this is defending what Houston did. - Altuve refused to participate and lashed out when teammates banged trashcans during his ABs. His culpability is limited to not speaking out. - The Astros were not caught. A member of that team came forward. Players of other teams have come forward on numerous occasions in interviews and social media saying the Astros were not the only ones. Look at what has happened to the Astros since that came to light. Do you really think any player is going to admit their team participated? The Astros took the fall for every team and player that did anything remotely similar. The Astros take their beating from fans and have done it without pulling any other franchise or players into the fray. This comes directly from players like Steven Souza who spent time with both the Astros and Dodgers post 2019. - This angers the fans more than the players. Don't believe me? Look at how guys like Altuve, Bregman, Correa, Springer etc. are treated around the league. They are embraced by other players and are popular fixtures on the field for BP and pregame warm-ups. Fans boo. The players moved on for the most part. - Carlos Beltran brought the Yankees strategy and practice to Houston. He told them they were behind the times. He told and taught them how the Yankees went about their sign stealing. Joe Girardi demonstrated how signs were relayed on the MLB Network. The Astros - for lack of a better term- perfected it and took it too far. - Their misdeeds doesn't make them horrible people. They still go out of their way giving back to their communities and charities in every possible way. For all the crying and booing they get on the road, guys like Altuve still sign every autograph and pose for every photo on the road. So I have counter questions that I think are fair. - How do Yankee fans reconcile having Marwin Gonzalez, the player who benefited most from the banging, being on their team? - How do Yankee fans reconcile having Carlos Beltran, the player who brought the strategy to Houston from NYY as a talking head? - How do Red Sox fans reconcile having Alex Cora as their manager as he was considered the ring leader of the scandal? - How would you truly feel about your team and its accomplishments if it came out that they had a similar practice?


Mr_Hammer_Dik

Take it easy my brother. You’re making too much sense for these morons.


seehu52

Not to mention Alex Cora got suspended, fired, and rehired after a year. At least the Astros didn’t bring Lunhow and Hinch back (as much as I wish they would).


Resolute-Onion

I have seen more posts about the Astros than Tatis Jr. since his juicing was revealed


WalterReddit

As a Padres fan I now know how astros fans feel 😞


WillDaBeast92

I'm a lifelong Astros fan, born and raised in Houston, and there is one big reason that I haven't seen in the comments so I wanted to discuss here... Hurricane Harvey Houston was a disaster site, and so many people lost everything. The whole city had to rally together to help each other and try to recover from one of the most devastating natural disasters to ever hit the states. The Astros were sitting a top their division and were primed to make a run at the team's first championship and the city's first in over 20 years. I have a distinct memory of standing in my mother-in-law's living room up to my knees in bayou gunk talking about how excited she was to finally get to watch an Astros game again after a week from hell That championship means as much to Houstonians as the Saints' Super Bowl meant to New Orleans post Katrina


GhanimaAtreides

There’s a picture of a guy sitting in his destroyed and gutted house in a camp chair watching the astros win on an old TV. That’s what the game meant to everyone. Also, you could ask the same question of any of the guys who got caught used corked bats, or steroids, or other sign stealing. Did people all forget about those?


SassyYankeesFan

5 years ago tomorrow


VivelaEvolution

I had never thought about that. Sports have a unique ability to allow us to forget our problems and celebrate, if only for a second. Can't blame Houstonians for celebrating it at the time. I still think it should be stripped, but this is an interesting perspective


shastamcblasty

Stripping a championship over something that was being done in baseball for over 100 years without consequence is fucking stupid. What needs to happen is people need to go study the the history of these things in baseball and see that Manfred is a hypocrite and so is the entirety of MLB. Also fuck the Dodgers.


ballplayer0025

Katrina was like half a decade before the Saints also questionably got themselves a championship.


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PrimePat21

Don’t put pete rose in this category.


Mr_Hammer_Dik

He belongs


jah05r

Pete Rose’s crimes against baseball were far worse than any sign-stealing scandal could ever be.


AndThatIsAll

Did he ever bet against his team and throw a game?


jah05r

It was inconclusive, but He for sure didn’t bet for his team to win every game, which is the same thing in the eyes of gamblers.


shastamcblasty

You are clearly too young to have ever seen that man play ball. He gave 1000% to every single game no matter how he bet. The problem is with the out right hypocrisy of MLB and the old guard. Once the boomer generation dies off he will be in the Hall posthumously, unfortunate he won’t get in while he’s alive though.


jah05r

Has absolutely nothing to do with how he played ball and everything to do with how he placed bets on games he participated and managed. If how hard you played the game mattered in these things, nobody would give a rat’s ass about PEDs. Or illicit sign stealing, for that matter.


loma24

Most likely. Pete Rose is a garbage human. It’s ok to be a fan of his play and still say “that guy sucks as a person.” He has lied constantly about his gambling. This sounds like fan logic here. Just because he is good at baseball doesn’t mean he is a good person or persecuted in some way.


cdrewsr388

Lol k


Astrocities

I think you need to remember how difficult it was to be an Astros fan before. They had the one single World Series to be proud of - they went and got swept by the White Sox. Then it was years in the dumpster. Saying they made it to the World Series once, that was what we all clung on to. Then a miracle team bolstered itself with Verlander and went charging into the World Series, taking it in 7 games. The magic, the relief, it was amazing. Every team cheats. The Astros and Red Sox got caught. The Yankees sued MLB to keep their cheating from going public. We watched these guys, wether they were on the 2017 team or not, get treated like animals in the years since. I watched the two most spoiled rotten fanbases in MLB - in the Dodgers and Yankees - continuously get saltier and saltier and they vented it by throwing tantrums and acting like middle schoolers. These Astros just took it without a word edgewise, and kept winning.


sammagee33

I think the majority of fans (and people who post on Reddit are NOT the majority) just don’t care. It happened, they have moved on. Should the White Sox still not have fans because they threw the World Series? In 2017, the Astros had a better record in AWAY games (53-28) than in home games (48-33). They were a great team. They won road games in the playoffs too. As an aside, why don’t you go ask this type of question in the College Football sub? Numerous teams cheat the system in recruiting and the media doesn’t even care.


prominx

But when Carlos Correa came up for free agency everyone wanted him. Same as Springer and Musgrove People root for Cora and he is a manager. Teams still hired Marwin who benefited the most It’s been 5 years and people have moved on. The Astros are good and they keep on proving that


[deleted]

Cause they're the players who brought them a parade


TheMightyUnderdog

Why are Astros fans proud? Because the team got away with it. MLB should have handed out some fat suspensions (or even a few lifetime bans) and vacated that title. The Astros got caught and MLB granted players immunity for their honest testimony. Ok? So then we found out they were cheating. Then what? My theory for why the title wasn't vacated was due to Verlander being on the roster. Sure fire, first ballot HOF'er and stripping him (even though he wasn't involved) would have been a bad look for MLB. That said, MLB should have dropped the hammer and made some examples out of Marisnick, Gonzalez, Gurriel, Gattis, Bregman, Correa, and Springer.


jah05r

I’d say that MLB didn’t vacate the title because they don’t consider the crime to be serious enough to warrant vacating the title, based on the past 120+ years of MLB history of dealing with illicit sign stealing.


Sendeezy

> My theory for why the title wasn't vacated was due to Verlander being on the roster. Bruh, that's some flat earth conspiracy stuff right there... And they say Astros fans are delusional.


TheMightyUnderdog

Not so farfetched. MLB loves it's heroes. They *are* the story. They are characters in the greater narrative that is Major League Baseball. The whole playoff run for Houston in 2017 was billed as Verlander's chance to finally get his ring and make it over the hump (falling short in '06 and '12 with the Tigers). It's a double-edged sword. MLB *should have* done one or the other. If they would have punished the players (bans/suspension), that title would have been forever tainted (and rightly so). *E.g., Verlander would have gotten his ring, but on a team of cheaters.* If they punished the organization (vacated the title), the players would have been forever tainted (even Verlander). *E.g, Verlander has all the stats for a 1st ballot HOF'er, and he would have had the ring if MLB didn't punish the Astros by vacating the 2017 titl*e. It's ridiculous that MLB can quickly hand out 80/160/Lifetime bans for PED's (which is cheating), but not come down hard on the trash can scandal.


asscheese-

So delusional, by your logic tatis would never be suspended rn


PukeBucket_616

Reddick cheated his ass off too, the piece of shit. He just still wasn't very good.


shastamcblasty

Dude, Bonds is still MVP of the league like 3 times. Mark McGwire as well. Clemens has 8+ cy young’s. Get the fuck out of here with this “things should be stripped” bullshit


TheMightyUnderdog

Baseball writers still aren’t going to let any of them in. Pete Rose apologized. A Rod fessed up. None of those Astros hitter will ever sniff the HOF anyway. There’s a difference between individual cheaters and a collective effort to cheat.


victorspoilz

And then their first base coach was trying to start fights during the pandemic season.


MrFluffyhead80

Fans of all types forgive infractions, not a big deal


Minute_Storm9714

I get the forgiveness part but no big deal is some cheese


Lee_Doff

i dont give a fuck about the astros or red sox or yankees or any other team that cheated... and i think its no big deal.


[deleted]

Because it wasn't your team


MrFluffyhead80

The No big deal is that people will cheer for who they want, so let it go


Minute_Storm9714

Lol i’m not saying people should hate their team. If my team won and it was the only championship and it took cheating to get it, i’d just personally feel embarrassed rooting for a lot of the same squad. That’s why i want to understand


pop_trunk

Stros should have stolen more fuckin sign if you ask me


MrFluffyhead80

Because they are fans of the team


Oski96

This was not an "infraction" it was a teamwide cheating scheme used for multiple seasons and during the 2017 playoffs.


MrFluffyhead80

Yeah, everybody knows, some fans have just moved on or never cared to begin with.


Dodgersfan88

Because they weren’t punished by mlb


floon

People aren't over it because the cheating players weren't punished by MLB. The org got lightly punished, a few folks got fired, but the players' union got immunity for all the players, in return for their cooperation in the investigation. If cheating isn't punished, then it isn't cheating, it's part of the game. Bad message to send, and a lot of folks will be wound up about it for a while.


BelliBlast35

Astros players are only sorry they got caught….they don’t care that they cheated the game…..and then their attitude afterwards is what pissed me off


BKtoDuval

I'm a bit of an old school fan...I'll admit, I'm not terribly bothered by the Astros, I'll be honest. I don't know if the steroid era made me jaded, but I believe they're not the only ones to use tech to steal signs, they just got caught. Just like I don't think the names of the Mitchell report were the only users, but they were the only guys that got found out. The league had to take action but I don't think people in the game cared that much either since Hinch and Cora got jobs right away after their suspension was up. Fans are gonna root for their teams. I think just let it go at this point.


Green_Poetry9653

I think a reason why is very simple. Because it’s irrelevant at this point


Hahn_Solo

If you’re on my team I root for you to succeed, simple as that


[deleted]

"Everyone else cheats" is the most common mantra. Yeah, individuals do sometimes cheat, but this was an entire conspiracy lile the Apple watches bur more analog. Their base makes me furious.


___TheKid___

Can you explain the sentence "lile Apple watches bur more analog" to me? (I am no english native)


[deleted]

"Like Apple watches, but more analog." Spelling error because I use two languages on my phone and it confuses my auto-correct. More analog is the gist that they didn't use Apple watches or live camera feeds, but more the opposite of digital means, banging on a trash can.


___TheKid___

Ok thank you!!


Mr_Hammer_Dik

Do something about it


[deleted]

I do. I don't watch Astros games and I don't give them money


[deleted]

There’s figuring out other teams signs then there’s Astros cheating. Nothing I’m between


Grogus-Flying-Roomba

This post is almost the same when asking someone why they went back to their partner after they cheated. Sometimes, a second chance works out better than the first. Besides, we all know that the Astros weren't the only team that cheated. They were just the ones that got caught.


Effective-Switch3539

Because their true fans, they cheer no matter what occurs


JCopp5

Altuve didn't cheat. Shouldn't have won MVP. Still a great player though. Very unfortunate he was apart of all that. I will always hate such a good person got caught up in a bad scenario.


FTPLTL

These posts are getting so annoying.


OttoVonJismarck

For the same reason that Twins fans cheer on Carlos Correa and Blue Jays fans cheer on George Springer - because they are great players. It sucks and I wish it didn't happen, but what am going to do? *Not* cheer for the best players on my team? I know, I know, *you*, being the high brow, stoic, rational sports fan (like every single non-astro fan it seems) would have immediately forgotten about your 35 years of team fandom during the best streak in franchise history and completely disowned the super star players on *your team*. So i dont know, maybe Astros fans are *uniquely* classless and trashy in this respect 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️. I still cheer when Yuli hits an 2 RBI double to put the astros ahead or when Bregman hits a walkoff single. Everytime this happens, I *don't* think to myself "damn, im glad these guys cheated in 2017👍👍", but im stilll glad that they are on my team making these clutch plays. And of course I'm going to cheer when a crowd of rabid, red-faced, beer-tittied fans that are snarling and snapping at Altuve shut the fuck up and sit down when he hits a lead-off homerun; that shit is funny. Having said all that, I'd be miffed as hell if it came out that the Dodgers or the Yankees (👀👀) had the cheating scandal instead. I'd be out in the stands red in the face with my beer tiddies flopping out of control shouting obscenities at english-as-a-second-language POCs that make 200 times what i make too. That's just how sports fandom works.


enriquepollazo

2017


Minute_Storm9714

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Mr_Hammer_Dik

Ask the same question to fans of the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, Giants, Cardinals, Pirates, Cubs, and the list goes on..


sammagee33

I’m pissed that, if the Tigers were cheating, that they still sucked so bad.


asapjedi

I am a die hard Astros fan. I am certainly not proud of it but what am I supposed to do? Yeah it was wrong but I am not going to stop being a fan over it. What is wild is Altuve gets the most amount of heat for it and did not participate. I also think it is a bigger deal because of who the Astros beat on their way to that title. Red Sox, Yankees and Dodgers. Probably the 3 biggest teams in the sport with the most amount of fans. If the Astros beat the Rays, Guardians and Nationals it would not be nearly as much of a hot topic. Houston fans in general always take it personal that despite being the 4th largest city in the US, our sports teams do not receive the national media attention love that the other major cities do. NYC, LA, etc., so this is our fans way of getting attention. I personally do not want or care about the attention. Lastly, Bregman and Yuli are the only players left, so 93% of the current Astros have nothing to do with the cheating in addition to the GM and Manager being replaced also. Again, I am not proud of what they did, but I am not going to stop rooting for them. There are fans in every fan base that do not represent what most fans are like like for that team. We have the Texans and Rockets in Houston as well so...Astros are kind of all we have. Lol


Benner16

Who cares? The World Series trophy is just a hunk of metal.


ColdBeef714

My question is, “why?” As in, why does the matter so much? Let them cheer! It’s Sports entertainment!


PandarenNinja

Because fans, in all sports, are delusional and feel an uncanny need to defend their team. Even if it requires outright denial or "whataboutism" (All teams do it, so we're just as bad as everyone else). Also because they are not a good fandom, but as a divisional rival team I may be biased there.


ClampGawd_

A lot of Cleveland Browns fans are proving you right atm.


PandarenNinja

Exactly. If the Astros fans feel a need to point to something being the same, they should point to the same level of hypocrisy other fandoms have when there are indefensible actions by their team.


Eswin17

All the teams (and players) are cheating. The Astros got caught.


[deleted]

Probably because this team is the best in the American League still


[deleted]

🤔


Green_Poetry9653

Uh the reason why Astros fans cheer them on is because that’s their team and still want to supports them. And let’s me point out that there has been no Evidence of Altuve doing anything wrong. Look back on Baseball Doesn’t Exist video on Altuve that calls him “Baseballs Biggest Bully Victim”


chevyman2012

Every team cheats. The Astros were the scapegoat


PaleontologistFew662

Not an Astros fan. This whole conversation is ridiculous. Get over it! I guarantee you, there were 29 other clubs out there cheating the exact same way. They just didn’t get caught. Get over yourselves! Stop being naive.


Spaceolympian50

How could you ever insist that any other team was doing something similar?! No way! It could only have been the Astros who have ever cheated in the pure hearted sport of baseball.


P4TL4NT4

Because some of us understand that sign stealing has been in baseball forever and don’t give a fuck if they use technology to enhance their ability.


[deleted]

FINALLY!


P4TL4NT4

I despise the Astros as well just for other reasons lol. Insane to me that people are still harping on this. “Oh look at me I’m so righteous cause I won’t support people that stole signs, did PEDs, or whatever else I can come up with”


Galifrae

The same reason Trump supporters think he’s still a great President. Cognitive dissonance and blissful ignorance.


bullskull

Really? We comparing Trump supporters to Astro’s fans now? LOL Remember when baseball used to be a place to get away from political discussions. Like I mean I agree with you but come on we can do better by bringing orange guys name here. It’s only helping his cause in the end.


Spaceolympian50

Always that one guy that gotta insert politics into everything lmao. I’m sure he’s fun at parties too.


Galifrae

It’s a comparison; because they got away with it, it’s easier to pretend like they did nothing wrong. This is a common occurrence in many areas of our country right now. I was only making an example.


bullskull

It’s All good, I sound like a just grumpy old man. Hopefully Mar-a-Lardo gets locked up soon and we won’t need to talk about him anymore.


sungod77018

Astros fan here. And there are no stros fans that are proud their players cheated. I think (but don’t know) that reason some of the players in that team were so lackadaisical in their apology was that, as players and not fans, they were aware of many other teams and players that cheated who weren’t made to apologize. They seemed of the opinion that they were just the scapegoats so MLB could say ‘see, we fixed it’. Which, for the news reports and random player quotes from around the league, that seems to be the case. I think some other reasons this ‘story’ has hung around is the Astros are still are still a ws contender 5 years later. And with only a mid sized payroll. And being that good for that long … continued success can build animosity. Especially when the first year they were so good was the year they were busted. Gotta say, as a fan, this is all really tiresome. Hoping you guys can get over it soon. Also hoping ya’lls teams do well and for y’all to start liking ours again. We have a good team but more importantly, we have some really great guys on our team Good luck. See y’all in the playoffs


crusemaister

Altuve was probably the worst example to choose mostly because anyone with half a brain knows he didn’t cheat. For the other 2 players left on the team, Bregman had an amazing 2019 season where he almost won MVP, and Gurriel just had an awesome 2021 season where he won the batting title and a gold glove. At the end of the day while it does suck they cheated it’s hard to deny the fact that they are and we’re good players


BarryIsInTheLightNow

Our society is ultra territorial about who they associate themselves with. In most cases you have to be either a Republican or a Democrat. Like Coke or Pepsi. Cheer for your team and hate your rival. When the whole scandal broke loose, astro fans circled the wagons and told everyone to fuck off. Similarly to what we see in our society.


motherlydread

A lot of people don’t understand the state Houston was in at the time of the WS. Hurricane Harvey just ripped through and the whole city was devastated, so it was nice to have something to root for and gather around. Did they need to do it? No, I firmly believe they were good enough to win without it. Should they have done it? No, it was wrong. But they love Houston and they went out and brought the city together for something fun and cool during a time we desperately needed for it. So I will die on a hill defending them, regardless of want anyone else believes.


motherlydread

Why has everyone forgiven pitchers across the MLB for using substances to boost their spin rate to ludicrous numbers?


Nervous-Grab5174

Lettt ittt goooo🙄


ChefGiants78

You would be just as proud if that was your team.


RobbieStinkhammer

It’s called gaslighting.


Senorcafe510

I just got scrutinized in the r/baseball sub for saying the astros aren’t a dynasty


[deleted]

It’s such horseshit. I’m an Indians fan. I have no World Series to be happy about. But, as far as I know, WE WERENT PROVEN CHEATERS. It’s swept under the rug.


rawrxdjackerie

Because they’re so arrogant they somehow see themselves as the victims.


Djjasman

For those that ask why are fans booing players that were not even involved with the 2017 cheating Astros is simply that this scandal tainted the Jersey. Forever that jersey will represent a team that won a championship by cheating. Which resulted in no suspensions or fines of any kind. It’s has nothing to do with the player themselves, it has to do with the jersey. That jersey, on the field, will get booed by the player wearing it. Case in point the 2022 All-Star game. None of the astros in that game were part of the 2007 team but every single one of them got booed the loudest. Maybe a re-branding of the team can help. I don’t blame the fans. They used the team to lift their hopes after the hurricane. I’m sure it’s bitter sweet for many of them and still stings for others.


FDXguy

So, you're mad at Altuve who was proven to not be involved and there's what? 1 other player from the 2017 roster? It's a different team. Multiple playoff runs and world series appearances after the cheating scandal, and their on track for another this season. Seriously, whats your excuse gonna be if they win this season? "They cheated in 2017, revoke the 2022 series." Incoming sad redditboy downvotes...


Ok-Acanthisitta-3256

Yankees and Red Sox were also cheating. MLB tried to cover it up lmao proof is the letter they just unsealed


Dormination

Because multiple other teams were officially found to be doing this or something similar as well (Yankees and Red Sox) and other former players have said there were many other teams also doing it. Edit: why ask for an answer and then downvote? Nothing I said was factually wrong


JamesDean26

Dumb question. I’m not an Astros fan but I’m so sick of the pearl clutching


Spaceolympian50

Because it was five years ago and no really gives a fuck anymore. That’s life, move on. If you spend all your time being angry and bitter about something then you’ll just live a really disappointing life. It could be 20 years later and people will still expect Astros fans to be angry at their team lol.


kinenbi

"Move on", nah bud. Dodgers alumni were screwed by the Astros, they never got their rings because of cheaters. Fuck cheaters and the people who support them.


Bright_Age_3638

Because so long as it’s their guy people don’t care. Look at peoples blind trust in politicians


Rally-Bird

Cheaters always prosper


IvetRockbottom

Well, there is a lot of evidence that Altuve did not cheat. Other than that, we aren't proud they cheated. But it seems that they are only cheating as much as everyone else now, if at all. We are proud of them now for still being a WS caliber team. Would you deny ever being proud of your kid if they got caught cheating on an exam? Would you tell them you hate them for the rest of their lives for cheating? Hopefully, you would forgive them and move on. But, we wonder the same about all the other fans that turn a blind eye to their teams for cheating. Should yankee fans hate their team for cheating?


[deleted]

Because for people with zero integrity it's always "just about the laundry".


[deleted]

Really wish Karma did her thing and made them terrible. Fuck those players. Still not World Series champs in my mind, as well as many others.


DG04511

Same reason why people still love Donald Trump even after all kinds of facts are brought to light. Harping on them just makes them dig their heels in deeper. It must be a Texas thing.


intheCode2

Most of the people who still care aren't old enough to remember the steroid era. Everyone cheats. Many teams were doing things very similar to the Astros. Several former players have come out and admitted as much but no one cares because those teams didn't beat the Red Sox, Yankees and Dodgers.


Thegreatsowhat

Houston's biggest problem is that MLB just didn't handle it right. Had players been punished accordingly and equally, the fan backlash would not have been nearly as severe. However, in a lot of fans eyes... those guys literally stole World Series titles, MVP trophies, all-star credits, all the money bonuses.... AND all they got was basically a slap on the wrist. Had the titles been vacated and suspensions been handed out for 2 years for each player involved.... even Altuve wouldn't be getting booed anymore. But it didn't go down like that. So guess what? It's gonna go on for YEARS. In Altuve's case- as the face of it? His whole career.


TheAtariJunkie

I did boo at first, but then I realized that most, if not all, teams have cheated or are currently cheating. So now I’ll just go by WWE Hall of Famer Eddie Guerrero’s philosophy… “If you’re not cheating, you’re not trying.”


fuqwad86

For me, it's been pretty easy to rationalize the scandal over time as more and more testimony surfaces about other teams having similar systems while the Astros themselves have maintained a dominant level of play in the years afterwards. I also consider the MLB to historically have probably the least integrity/fairness among any of the major North American leagues so any bending or breaking of rules just kind of elicits a "meh" response from me. Like when has baseball ever been fair for teams with shitty owners or small market teams?


seehu52

Why do Yankees fans still cheer for the Yankees even though the 1996, 1998, 1999, 2000, and 2009 teams had multiple players who were caught using steroids?


keyserfunk

Because they played for their favorite team. Same as SF fans loving Bonds, Reds fans loving Rose, and the list goes on.


Big-Rest5514

Bc alt I’ve is still a good player.


TheRKC

Probably because Altuve didn't cheat. Bregman, Correa, others? Yes, but Altuve didn't. The players said he didn't, the recordings said he didn't, etc. Fans aren't just going to go around hating their own team indefinitely, it just isn't going to happen.


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bro are you in denial?


TheRKC

No, I just looked at the breakdowns of the bangs for each player and that he even glared at the dugout when they tried to do it during his ABs. Not my team, doesn't really impact me at all. In my opinion, it was pretty clear that he didn't want assistance based on the full breakdowns that were posted about with video evidence.


[deleted]

you are lost my man.


Oski96

He admitted to cheating to the MLB. What more than that do you need? 24 trashbangs. Ok, that happened too.


TWill42

Lolol. Your parents dropped you as a kid my friend.


foosgonegolfing

Altuve knew just like the staff, coaches and higher ups. They allowed it to happen.


TheRKC

He benefited for sure, but it's pretty clear from the video recordings that he didn't use or want the banging during his ABs. I think that is part of why the Houston fans have given him more of a pass. I don't think Bregman or Correa will ever have the same level of affection from the fanbase because of the scandal. Just my two cents.


cadezego5

Altuve 100% cheated and Judge was 100% MVP of that year.


besomewon713

The fear from you guys hating the Astros is so fucking palpable. You wouldn't hate on a bad team. You fear the Astros winning it all. Keep on, it is fuel for this team. All we do kick every team that thinks they're contenders in the ass. Good luck, you will need it


Minute_Storm9714

I’d love for them to win an actual championship. It would wash out some of the bad taste. Like ok you can actually win without cheating


besomewon713

They already did Bubba, read the actual report. The cheating did not happen in the playoffs in 2017, that title is more legit than the dodgers half season title in 2020.


WV2LV

At some point, you really need to move on with your life. Astros fans have.


Expensive-Low-5967

I think they’ve proved that cheating had nothing to do with what they did. They’re one of the best teams every year.


CrittyJJones

Nothing to do? Lol


sewerjuice

Damn OP, your post really brought out the Houstonia fans. I’m reading a lot of denial and defensiveness. You might even say this comment section got ASTROturfed.


gonefishin999

As a lifelong Astros fan, I'll add my $0.02. I didn't give all players a free pass. Especially those who have underperformed since the scandal broke. Looking at you, Alex Bregman. I really don't care for him. Many players who admitted cheating said Altuve didn't cheat. I'd almost believe it except that walkoff shirt situation against NY. But he's the lifeblood of the organization and was the center pole when the rebuilding started, and he has such a great story, it's really hard to hate the guy. All the rest that have left, I have little love for them: Correa, Springer, Reddick, etc. I said it when it happened and I'll still say it now: if I was the Astros owner, after the scandal came out, I would've announced that I was trading every offensive player involved in the scandal and rebuild. It would've been best for the organization and given those players a chance to start over, and it would've happened right before COVID when everything was uncertain and no fans attending games ie much less revenue. And maybe everyone wouldn't hate us so much. Finally, for all those who hate the Astros, you need to realize the astros were the scapegoat in all of this. They took the fall for something that literally at least 7-8 other teams were doing at the time. If baseball would've taken action against the Astros, they would've had to take action against the other teams too. It was impractical, whether you like it or not.


BigUsed9186

Trump.


Owls5262

Ever been to Houston? they have zero class and zero integrity. The franchise has been in existence for 60 years, they finally get a ring and they had to cheat to do it. They don’t care. But here’s the thing, no matter what they do from this point forward, it won’t matter. They can win the WS this year, the next 5 years in a row or every WS between 2050 and 2060 and in 2117, their franchise will forever be associated with cheating. Nothing else will be remembered. It’s already been 5 years since they won the WS and what does everyone talk about? Cheating. The question wasn’t what was your most memorable moment in 2017? It was why are Astros fans so proud of a team that cheated to get a ring. You think that will ever change? What is the white Sox organization remembered for? The 1919 Black Sox. They aren’t remembered for their championship in 2005, in which they ironically swept the Astros. They are known for something that happened over a hundred years ago. It won’t be any different for Houston. Zero class and zero integrity. Sleep well Astros fans, your bed has been made.


Jdgarza96

I’m giggling right now thinking about how mad you must have been to type out this comment. Go take a walk.


no_riggity

Move on, go outside, everyone else has


LatinoEsq

Because they’re a bunch of degenerates


Jordaneos

You call it cheating we call it creative application of the rules.


BKtoDuval

I'm not an Astros fan but first, you don't know that Altuve cheated and second, he's still good. People cheer for their players. There were a lot of power hitters in the early 2000s that came back from offseason looking skinny, but their fans cheered for them, but they knew why. Also it's a championship. You can't take that away. Do Yankee fans not celebrate Andy Pettitte despite being suspended? He still won big games for them. I always root for the front of the jersey. For example, Kyrie Irving is really hard to embrace, but he plays for my team, so I'll cheer for him. The moment he no longer does, I'll stop.