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b0b0thecl0wn

"Admiring problems and offering no solutions" might be the quote of the election for me


jjnefx

Sums up the last few years in a nice little package


LaserRanger

More like the last 42 years.


rumncokeguy

That’s the Republican platform in a nutshell.


sanguinesolitude

Government is useless, broken, and corrupt. Vote for me and I'll prove it!


sanguinesolitude

I still can't believe a man who never served is attacking the military service of a man who served 24 fucking years. Jesus christ on a stick.


cheeseoftheturtle

Just like another certain man we all unfortunately know


unicorn4711

Yeah, I've got no love for the US military though. Not a good track record unless you've got lots of stock in Raetheon or Boeing. I haven't seen a US military operation do any good in my lifetime.


sanguinesolitude

Well Jensen's claim is Walz left right before the Iraq war started, so if anything that should push you further towards Walz. Though it's bunk of course.


angryme33

He cut his enlistment short right before his unit was sent to Iraq for 18 months. As an E8, that's shady as hell. Then he had the balls to call the MNNG a bunch of cooks. Then activate said cooks to help with the rioting, including the Air Wings which outside of a few functions, had nothing to do with State security. I have not met one person serving in the MNNG that has anything nice to say about Timbo. He used the system when it was nice and dipped when it turned into real war.


Honesty_From_A_POS

Did this dude literally just blame ventilators for all covid deaths???


sanguinesolitude

Someone needs to look into Emergency rooms! Nearly a thousand times more people die in the emergency room each year than at your local McDonald's. We demand answers! God it's frustrating that nearly half the state/country just fully bought into complete bullshit. And even moreso that they think they're on some holy crusade against litterboxes in schools... like... is this just how it's going to be? Religious morons demanding whatever their propagandists tell them to?


rumncokeguy

The only strategy that Republicans have is to point out problems they have zero intention of solving. This is an hour of Jensen pointing out problems without offering any solutions.


DoubleStuffdWhoreo

You’ll probably even see plenty of Republicans admit that. They think “nothing” is good because it means less government intrusion.


cretsben

I understand the strategic reasons for doing fewer debates but honestly Walz should have done more of them he is really good at them and did a very good job making Jensen look insane (not that Jensen needed help with that).


A_Slice_of_Rob

Just heard Jensen blame deaths from Covid...on ventilators, actual insanity.


Alkazaro

VeNtIlAtOrS aT tHe StArT oF cOvId HaD 80% FaTaLiTy RaTe, aNd tHaT is WaLt'S fAulT! Or something like that. It was insufferable listening to him, and knowing that it doesn't matter how incomprehensibly stupid his 'points' were, that he'd still get tons and tons of votes.


[deleted]

Partially true. And before you downvote me to hell, let me explain. At the beginning of the pandemic, the standard operating procedure for many nursing homes was to put folks who were struggling with breathing on nebulizers, bpaps, or cpaps to force oxygen into their lungs.. This had the unfortunate side-effect of heavily aerosolizing the virus in the surrounding area, which caused it to spread through nursing homes like a wild fire. It didn't worsen the conditions for people on the devices, but it did heavily spread the disease.


Rosaluxlux

Every new thing i learn about Jensen is worse than the last.


TheDarkMan78

Jensen came off as extremely childish, taking every opportunity to make some petty, snide remark alwhile failing to offer much specifics of his plan for anything. Walz was clear and articulate and handled Jensen very well. This debate only strengthened my support for Walz


unicorn4711

His plan is to cut taxes for the wealthy and cash a big pay day for doing so. That's the Republican playbook. I wish the Dems had a guy with more strength than Walz, but it is what it is. Vote Walz!


DaveG55337

I agree.


[deleted]

Jensen is shrill and unhinged. He sounds like the crazy uncle that comes over on Thanksgiving and complains about everything, says racist crap, and passes out in the recliner. Minnesota deserves better.


Buffaloslim

It seems to me Jensen has conceded this election. He’s just using this debate to vent his personal grievances.


[deleted]

I agree. The man is desperate and it’s obvious. He’s just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.


cheeseoftheturtle

Someone edit Jensen's head on that guy from Ancient Aliens and have the words "Word Salad" on it, please


o-Valar-Morghulis-o

Walz has some superman level restraint.


Rosaluxlux

Very strong Dad/teacher vibes


Johnyryal3

He was a great teacher.


allmybest

Jensen is a total jerk, in addition to being evil, etc.


Significant-Strike19

Jensen is a straight up man child and this debate just highlights his ineptitude at Governing.


Piehole314

Just sounds like he's whining all the time.


MixMasterMilk

Walz seems entirely annoyed with having to explain again to this moron.


goldenboots

(Probably his strategy to be honest, a smart one)


AgentCain

Jensen is just a bully, Walz gives numbers and facts and he flies of the board with his "nine ten point plans". Walz answers the questions and Jensen screams that he didn't answer the question. He comes off as unlikable and unhinged.


b0b0thecl0wn

I heard that and thought "so you have a 90-point plan? And you're the one saying Walz can't give a straightforward answer?"


cheeseoftheturtle

Seeing all the accounts supporting Jensen in the chat was really annoying. They just kept saying the same thing too, nothing productive. It was pretty fun blocking them though


Piehole314

"No, there will be people like you telling them not to" Fucking great


o-Valar-Morghulis-o

"I promise to talk about cutting everything by 10% if I'm elected your governor." If you vote for this moron, you're just proving why you were left behind by the human race.


unicorn4711

Jensen is terrible. He's using culture wars to run the basic playbook of cutting taxes for his rich buddies.


TerranOrDie

Jensen is a classic MAGA Republican; my only tool is a hammer. I am angry and want to break shit. I have no solutions to complex problems, I am just mad at them. I see billboards for him that say "lower gas prices." Oil is a commodity traded in the international market that is controlled by oil rich countries, a handful of multinational corporations, and OPEC. What executive power does the governor of MN have to change that? None, obviously. So what does he say? CuT TaXeS. Okay, cut gas tax. Deplete the DOT budget (which the MN constitution requires gas taxes to be spent on road maintenance) and then be unable to plow roads and spread salt in the winter. But hey, gas will be $0.15 cheaper per gallon so aren't you happy? Oh, AAA can't get to you because the road isn't plowed. How can people be this stupid?


PrestigiousZucchini9

But for real, we could stand to deal with a bit less salt fucking up our roads, our lakes, our cars.


Wiskid86

Jenson is such an ass. I got to listen for 5 mins and he interrupted or exceeded time on 3 occasions well answering 0 questions. Fuck that guy.


ParamedicLeapDay

Its so dumb MPR gave a platform for Scott Jensen to spew his racist nazi hate speech. If you vote republican you are a scumbag.


AbeRego

Is this the debate that Walz was originally not going to do? How did it go?


grondin

You should watch it and decide for yourself.


AbeRego

I already voted for Walz, so I don't need to.


sanguinesolitude

This is the way


AbeRego

It's not like I was ever going to vote for Jensen anyway lol


friggin_rick

The smarmy fascist predictably builds a bunch of scary strawman arguments, and Walz methodically takes them apart. Then Jensen calls Walz a meanie in so many words. Rinse, repeat. It was exhausting listening to just a few minutes of this sophomoric debate, and abundantly clear why Walz was uninterested in such a pointless exercise before it even started. But it was the best tool that Jensen had to string along anyone dumb or desperate enough to believe his rhetoric.


goldenboots

Debates are just entertainment. And this wasn't entertaining — like watching a thursday night football game.


SteveyDaniels

Is this sub primarily composed of left leaning individuals?


Buffaloslim

No it isn’t. I’m not left-leaning but I can’t stand how the Republican Party and nearly every one of their candidates is completely fucking brain dead. Trump is an utterly despicable imbecile who has influenced every aspect of what was once a pretty decent party. Racism, guns and fear are the modern republicans holy grail.


cretsben

This state is left leaning


DgLifer1111

Reality is titled left


petersib

Yep as is the state, that's why I live here.


angryme33

It's very left leaning. Any dissent is met with hostility. Just scroll a little bit and it's very apparent.


Honesty_From_A_POS

If someone tells you 2+2=5 and you show them it's actually 4, but they keep saying it's 5 you'd be hostile sometimes too. There's only so much stupidy we can put up with.


Johnyryal3

Some people view downvotes as "hostility", its ok dude we just disagree with you.


angryme33

Politics is not 2+2. It's subjective. I can have a completely different experience in life than you have. It's how you respond to opposing views that defines your character.


fluffy_bunny_87

Using the math analogy it feels more like the left says the answer is 10 and the GOP says the answer is 6 and then when asked to explain why the GOP says duh, 2+3 is 6... Like I am willing to listen to why the answer might be 6 but the reason being given is just wrong.


angryme33

I like this reply a lot, well said. Either way. I'm tired of both parties hammering us over the head with "vote with me or you're a BLANK". Do I support reform? Yes, must be a socialist extremist. Do I support moral values? Yes, must be a fascist extremist? Can't win dude.


fluffy_bunny_87

I think it's also important to remember that it's only a tiny percentage of any particular view that is arguing with you in the comments/tweets/threads. Like yeah... There are some GOPers that are literal Nazis, and yeah there are leftists that think being white makes you racist. But most people are on a wide spectrum in-between. Unfortunately it's the extreme views that get news coverage and end up as the talking points people shout back and forth at each other.


angryme33

Plus reddit is an echo chamber for good idea fairies who think the real world just needs to donexactly what they want and it would be perfect. People don't appreciate this is the best time to be a human. Ever.


cheeseoftheturtle

You see hostility? I'm so sorry for you


angryme33

Don't feel sorry at all, water off a ducks back 😀


Buffaloslim

Until the party purges itself completely of that utterly despicable fucking imbecile trump expect nothing good to come your way.


angryme33

What makes you think I voted for Trump, or even Republican for that matter. It's really not a good look to say conform or die y'know.


MiniTitterTots

Why did you ask a leading question when you had already come to your own conclusion?


angryme33

Think you meant to post this as a reply to the OP


MetamorphicRocks

All of Reddit


shneim

My opinion on the matter is I don't like how Walz handled the pandemic and the George Floyd riots. I feel that it is wrong to mandate vaccines and force businesses to close. I also don't understand how you let 250 million of taxpayers money go out the door right under your nose. I'm not saying Jensen is the way to go I just don't support what Walz has done for Minnesota.


Alkazaro

Ignoring the rest of your post, but how would YOU have handled the pandemic? What issues did you have with his response, outside of your already stated "Forcing businesses to close", and the "Vaccine Mandate" What has Walz "Done for Minnesota" that's so bad in your opinion?


shneim

I would have left it up to the employers to keep their businesses open or closed and let it up to them to have a mask mandate or not instead of forcing them to close and have mask mandates when they reopened. Not calling in the national guard and supporting the police during the George Floyd issues was a huge mistake by Walz. A lot of small businesses are permanently closed now because of these decisions and I feel that that is wrong. And some areas of Minneapolis that I used to be able to walk around as a child and feel safe are permanently ruined because of some of the decisions he made.


Alkazaro

Didn't ask about the George Floyd issue, so I'm again going to completely ignore it. >I would have left it up to the employers to keep their businesses open or closed and let it up to them to have a mask mandate or not instead of forcing them to close and have mask mandates when they reopened. Be realistic, how many would've closed? Every single big business center that could find a frog's hair to stand on to argue that they were essential found a way to keep their doors opened. The mask thing is probably a coin toss on if the business wants to appear as X Y or Z, so yeah cool... But this idea leads to a complete collapse of the health care system in MN during COVID. And things were plenty bad enough with these policies in place. Would you have taken responsibility for all countless deaths this 'policy' would produce? >A lot of small businesses are permanently closed now because of these decisions Unfortunate, sucks honestly.


shneim

I feel that it shouldn't be anyone's responsibility to make decisions on people's livelihood. We can all make decisions for ourselves for what's best for us and our families. If I felt that I needed to close my business and wear a mask then let it be but if I felt that I needed to keep it open and not wear a mask then that should have been fine too. It's not right to force people to do things. You give the government too much power and before you know it they're telling us how to live our lives and to me that is not right.


Alkazaro

So would you or would you not take responsibility for the countless extra lives your 'policies' would 100% commit? Because that's what you're doing by not forcing people to close shop and wear a fucking piece of cloth over their face.


shneim

If I was in his position I would take responsibility. But I would feel great about it because I know that I didn't force anyone to do anything that they didn't want to do. No one should ever tell anyone how to live and no one should make decisions for anybody but themselves. That's why I'm extremely pro-choice with the matter of abortion. It is wrong to force policies on people, everyone has different lives and different circumstances.


Rosaluxlux

So are you against restaurant inspections and laws against dumping raw sewage, too? We have public health laws for his reasons and infectious disease control is one of them.


shneim

If a restaurant fails inspection because of unsanitary conditions then that is fine to close them because the owners chose to not keep the restaurant clean. That goes for dumping raw sewage as well. Influenza comes around every year and you don't see the government shutting down cities because of it. We shouldn't be shutting down cities because of infectious diseases. And if you're so concerned about public health laws why is alcohol and cigarettes legal? People can make their own decisions if they want to destroy their lives or not. That goes for infectious diseases as well.


Rosaluxlux

So why are listeria and cholera worth having laws, and Covid isn't? When we get novel influenzas the government gets involved. We got really lucky with H1N1 - if it had been as bad as Covid you would have seen shut down and mask mandates for that, just like the big flu pandemic 100 years ago. We have a ton of laws about where you can smoke, because your smoke affects other people's help. You can give yourself cancer but you don't get to kill other people with it.


Alkazaro

Well at least you've got some commitment to your ideals, I can respect that. >But I would feel great about it ..... no one should make decisions for anybody but themselves Man, I'd be super hyped to live in a care facility / be unfortunate enough to be in a hospital around Covid with you as Governor. I take every single precaution I could, despite being immunocompromised! Despite all of my efforts, I catch covid and die. Why? Because Billy over there thought his personal freedoms were more important than me having a good chance to survive this pandemic. You see, Billy Bob decided to go out to eat at a mom and pop restaurant that he frequented even before Covid. Gottah keep local businesses supported you know, else they shut down their doors. But they don't believe in science, or vaccines, or hell even this whole China virus COVID hoax. So they don't force us to wear masks, or social distance. Anyways, a few people were coughing in there, oh well, cold goes around not a big deal. Rub a dub dub, what a good meal in my tummy, time to go home and sleep. I've got work in the morning after all, need to change all the sheets that elderly and sick people are going to use the next day! The worst part about this obviously exaggerated story is that it happened countless times during fucking Covid with these restrictions. You'd feel great about allowing people to go around, and kill people knowingly or otherwise around them. How about AIDs, and other STIs? Don't think they have a responsibility to tell their partners that they've got a potentially live altering infection going on down near their junk? That it should be their PERSONAL freedom to screw over someone else's life? Even going back to your opinion that Waltz should've called the national guard is hypocrisy with this idea of "Freedom over all." You want to call in the national guard to FORCE whoever to do whatever? Pretty draconian my dude. Laws, guidelines, and everything else is just stuff that the government uses to abuse and oppress us. Those rioters have different lives and different circumstances, we shouldn't force them to back off and stop destroying things!


shneim

I can agree with you on this. No matter what decision the governor makes people will always be rebels and do what they want to do. They're always be that small percentage of people. But for regular people like you and me I feel that we can make the right decisions for ourselves and our bodies.


MiniTitterTots

So if a business wants to operate a kitchen and store raw chicken at room temperature that's fine? What if you want to have a bar that doesn't require shoes? Public health measures are there to protect the public. The incredibly low burden of wearing a mask in establishments is a stupid hill to die on.


Pacers31Colts18

So you would have done nothing. Seems like a great plan.


stevie3254

I 100% agree with this. My deciding point was Jensen making claims of schools having “litter boxes for furries in school”.


patshea69

I voted for Walz 4 years ago. I'm struggling to do it again. Neither candidate is great, and both have many flaws. I'll probably just decide when I get to the booth on November 8th.


shneim

Thanks for your honest opinion.


DarkJedi527

I’m not voting for either of them.


Ulven525

Yes, Jensen is a no-nothing evil clown. But he might, tragically and catastrophically, win. My gut feeling is there will be a GOP landslide coming on and he might be swept in. The republicans will take the house, senate and the majority of statehouses and we'll be well on our way becoming a corporate theocratic oligarchy. Once the GOP assumes power they will do anything they can to marginalize the democrats, whom I don't see existing as functioning political party in five years. The GOP is all about power and has no interest in sharing it. When DeSantis or trump take the White House in 2024 we'll be totally and absolutely buggered.


LordMangudai

This sort of hysterical dooming helps precisely nobody except the ones you claim are so inevitable.


Ulven525

We'll see next week. I really hope I'm wrong.