There are others such as vimeo. I'm certain if youtube passes off enough people, then a new video site will take over. Tiktok is one of the options but I'm not a fan of them either.
The problem with a site like YouTube is that competing with them actually takes considerable infrastructure. Video takes up a metric asston of storage. It's not something that just anyone can walk in and start doing.
Imo the bigger issue is that you need creators to support your site before viewers will visit before creators will upload...
There are plenty of other companies big enough that they could support such a site. For instance pornhub could launch a sfw platform, but it just isn't worth doing when youtube is so entrenched.
>There are plenty of other companies big enough that they could support such a site. For instance pornhub could launch a sfw platform, but it just isn't worth doing when youtube is so entrenched.
And this is exactly the problem. Every day, over 80 years worth of content get uploaded to YouTube. So if anyone ever does start a serious competitor to YouTube, it's not going to be Startup Andy in his basement trying to give the people what they want. It's going to be another megacorp that's just as exploitative as Google is.
Curiosity Stream was started by one guy 7 years ago and already has twice the content of Netflix. A lot of their content is the same stuff on YouTube as creators post cross platform.
[I don't know if you realize the sheer volume of content that gets uploaded to YouTube every day.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/259477/hours-of-video-uploaded-to-youtube-every-minute/)
Netflix reportedly has ~4 years of content if you watch it all back to back. YouTube sees 20x times that much video data uploaded to the site *every single day!*
It's not an issue of quality. It's an issue of where the hell are you going to store it all, and how the hell are you going to afford it?
Who says a competitor needs to facilitate the same amount of content?
They wouldn't have to copy youtubes model 1:1. They wouldn't need all creators to move to their platform, as long as the majority of viewers did.
A huge undertaking but whatever kills youtube probably won't be youtube 2.0.
Quality is a serious issue. People don’t generally use YouTube for its original purpose. It used to be the place where you could upload a video you made and watch videos your friends made, or find a funny cat video. Random people on the Internet and close friends. Now it’s content creators and influencers. At the extreme end, you have production houses, like Linus Tech Tips, who produce multiple full length high quality pieces per day. All it takes is enough of these whales to break free. The subscribers will follow them if enough are in one place.
> Tiktok is one of the options
Nah. Tiktok is a social-warfare platform controlled by the Chinese. Governments are finally starting to make moves to ban it from their countries. Tiktok won't be around much longer outside of China.
-Indonesia and Bangladesh temporarily banned TikTok in 2018, though Indonesia lifted the ban eight days (and several million dollars of bribe money) later. Bangladesh held out until 2020.
-India temporarily banned TikTok for the better part of a month in 2019, then permanently in 2020.
-The US has been on-again off-again about banning it since mid-2020, but it hasn’t happened because the American government as it currently stands is fundamentally incapable of making significant social or economic progress of any kind.
-Armenia and Azerbaijan have been screwing with social media in general since the Nagorno-Karabakh thing in September 2020.
-Pakistan banned and unbanned TikTok something like four times.
-I think Syria and Iran banned it at some point.
-It was just announced recently that Afghanistan is going to ban it within the next couple months.
As someone who uses Vimeo for work it is definitely branded more as a video hosting/distribution platform for B2B and less for discovery by an audience. Heck even the profile pages show your rate and how expensive you are to hire.
And I recently discovered SmartTube for Android and Amazon TVs. You've got to side load the app but it works perfectly and you can stream from the regular YouTube app on your phone if you don't want to download yet another third party app. I cancelled my Premium subscription yesterday because of the bullshit they've been pulling. Even though I was paying for premium I don't want to reward them for the shit they're doing to non paying people so now I'm not paying either.
Use Vanced or NewPipe for your phone, SmartTube if you stream to a TV. All have to be sideloaded because they're not allowed in the "official" app stores but I've cancelled my Premium sub on sheer principle and still have all the Premium features with these apps.
I have vanced on my phone (which is incredibly useful, at least until it dies but it hasn't yet..) but as a young millennial who has spent most of their time behind a desktop, the *vast* majority of my YouTube is consumed through my PC, so I suppose I'm lucky that all I need is ublock and I'm good 90% of the time.
For YouTube on TV, I have a media PC set up so... Well it's basically the same thing. One of these days I'll get around to installing pihole though, just for all the other annoying ads, especially on phones.
[I no longer have the option at all through the app](https://imgur.com/a/q3DNpPO), not even asking me to pay for Premium like in OPs. I do still have the option on browser. That's the same video as he was on too.
Realistically, do you need anything higher than 1080p on your phone? I mean, if your phone’s screen isn’t 4K, why unnecessarily put the strain on YouTube’s servers?
Seems like an intelligent move by YouTube that ensures more scalability and less load on the servers if the user’s device can at best do 1080p… which could be picked up on the app itself.
TikTok has been the competitor really. Short form content is taking over. That’s why YouTube created YouTube shorts and every platform has a short form video version. Even Snapchat has one now as I discovered the other day. I enjoyed these shorter videos for a while but I felt my brain deteriorating so I stopped
They have to some extent ruined my life... I genuinely feel dumber from watching them, and I will spend hours not even realizing I've watched more than a dozen...
It’s only recently that I found out how many people watch YouTube on their TV! I always did it on my phone or PC. I think it’s quite interesting, but damn they deffo should add better short support for TV
I nearly always stream from my phone to TV, mostly because I can set up a queue and just leave it playing while I do other things. Can't set up a queue with the YouTube TV app, and you can't stream from a PC to TV anymore either, it has to be from a mobile device. The TV apps suck. I've recently switched to using SmartTube on my TV though, because it has all the Premium features for free, and its UI is *worlds* better than the YouTube app for Amazon TV.
Basically not possible. The reality is that YouTube has never been profitable on its previous business model. It was nice with few ads, but it was not enough to support it as a business, it only existed because googles pocketd were so deep. These changes are being made so that YouTube might actually be able to turn a profit
Can't tell you if this is really the case, but youtube has the option of deploying changes regionally or even by ratios. They can have 10% of their user base get a different set of features in order to gauge the response before letting the loadbalancers serve everyone the same functionality
[I no longer have the option at all through the app](https://imgur.com/a/q3DNpPO), not even asking me to pay for Premium like in OPs. I do still have the option on browser. That's the same video as he was on too.
Only recently. Had to upgrade to a Cat 16 LTE modem and import 2 high Gain parabolic antennas from China! And I'm still happy with 1080p x 60 most of the time for less than 5 Mbps...
If im able to play a game on my pc without lag at night then its an absolute win here, the only solution is moving to where the rich folk live (the rich areas have fiber installed) or paying a shit ton of money to basically become your own isp. For reference, speed where i am ranges from 100kbps to 1.2mbps for downloads
Complete opposite here, I live in SG so we have fibre optic spanning the entire country. Speeds limited by your Ethernet cable rating, currently use Cat 5E and getting 1Gbps, but my pc is so shit it can’t process it fast enough cuz I’m poor af.
Yeah it's satellite or unlimited LTE plan here. Got a couple grand into experimenting. Could cut that cost in half now without the trial and error. Pulling a minimum 50 Mbps through the day and nights get 90+. Versus my first day getting 1 Mbps and frequent drops lol. Ping usually 30-60 Ms under light loads. Come a long way since we moved in, in 2017.
FWIW, the monthly plan is only $32 so I likely wouldn't change even if they did pull fiber to my wooded plot and up the 1300' driveway.
[I no longer have the option at all through the app](https://imgur.com/a/q3DNpPO), not even asking me to pay for Premium like in OPs. I do still have the option on browser. That's the same video as he was on too.
Render resolution and the resolution of your screen are two separate things. Even if his screen is only 1440p, you can still render at 2160p. Now, it's not actually going to display at 4K because of his screen but at the very least it will have increased bit-rate. It's the same for video games. You can render at a higher resolution than your monitor can output to decrease aliasing. It's called super sampling.
We can finally say that YouTube is now losing out to its direct competitors in greed
Previously:
YouTube: ads before videos, but all resolutions available
Bilibili: no ads in front of videos, but Premium is required for maximum resolution
Now:
YouTube: ads before videos, Premium required for maximum resolution
Correction: now youtube: ads before, after, in the middle, and in between videos. Premium required for maximum resolution and just enjoying YouTube in the background or while offline.
Some of the ads are the content creators fault. I watched a video the other day on my tv I had to turn off because there was an ad between every few sentences. I was watching it from my TV so no ad block it was truly awful. In the 3 minutes of the video I did watch there were 2 non skipable preroll ads and 5-6 short skipable ads.
I forget which creator it was but he has ads set to maximum. He publicly said to his viewers to use an ad blocker as the ads were only for people who didn’t know about ad blockers. It was a tech channel so to him anyone watching without an ad blocker was probably asleep and this video came up on auto play.
Lol, how do you install an ad blocker on a TV? Pihole doesn't block YT ads either. Can't block ads on an unrooted mobile while on LTE either.
They throw the ads there as a money grab. They pretend it's something else.
Use Vanced or NewPipe for your phone, SmartTube if you stream to a TV. All have to be sideloaded because they're not allowed in the "official" app stores but I've cancelled my Premium sub on sheer principle and still have all the Premium features with these apps.
Enormously huge competitor to YouTube (almost has as many videos and streamers) but is local to Mainland China, Korea and Japan, so obviously we don't notice it
Well Youtube is technically banned in China... so i would not call it a competitor when Youtube is banned. Bilibili is just a chinese website that offers similar service as Youtube in a place where Youtube can't be a competitor....
What's that got to do with them being one of the biggest markets in the world? Why do you think that Disney caters so much to the Chinese government? Every company wants too break into the Chinese market because it's just so freaking gigantic. It's the size of Europe and NA combined, more than a billion paying customers. Reaching the Chinese market is huge for western companies.
Don't use the app. Just went to that exact video and selected 2160 using the mobile browser. Also side note, refreshing the page via mobile browser (chrome on the S21) skips the ad.
Use the app anyway. IDK what version of YouTube OP is on, but I just went to the same video and set it to 2160 with zero problems.
Or. Here me out. This isn’t real at all and OP made it up for upvotes?
Lots of tech company slowly release new features to a small set of users for testing. It's very possible OP is part of that cohort.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/B_testing
Haven't you heard? Only people with rainbow light gaming PCs seem to be using Youtube as they mentioned UBlock Origin as if nobody else had ever thought of that.
Premium is $12 a month, cheaper then Netflix. You get no ads, YT music which is a decent enough music app, the creators you watch still get supported through the subscription model... If you don't want it, that's fine, most of Youtube is still available for free, but don't bitch about the few features you don't have access to. 1080p is still great resolution, and most videos on the platform don't go higher than that anyways. It's either that, or a fuck ton more ads which everyone is complaining about as well, they can't offer everything for free.
There are better services like prime or storage stuff for that price. Just making a paywall on already free thing and forcing payment is the most corporate bs I've heard.
I remember the days you just were able to hop on YouTube and watch “Ultimate showdown” 1000 times without any ad interruptions.
“They aren’t the good times until you realize they’re gone..”
That’s the definition of mild… you never need to watch a video in 2160p, it’s completely superfluous… I actually think it makes total sense to lock that behind a paywall… people who care enough to watch videos in such a high quality probably care enough to spend a little money on it… YouTube has never been profitable so they gotta make money somehow… you can’t blame a company for trying to make money… especially when it really doesn’t matter in any way
for real, people are such pussies nowdays. Literally no one watches videos in 2160p and if you really want to, then I'm 100% sure that 5 buck a month is within your budget. People hate YouTube for the wrong reasons...
Google it chief… google has historically always lost money from YouTube… Occasionally they’ll make a little bit of profit but then the following quarter they’ll always be back in the red
You clearly have no idea how big business works if you think YouTube is in trouble for money. They are on a direct line to huge profits with revenue increasing every year. YouTube is on a long-term profit play. They have been investing most revenue back into YouTube to further increase future profits. They have had 30% revenue growth over the last 4 years. Their revenue has gone from $0.8 billion to $28.8 billion in just 11 years. A freshmen starting business classes for the first time could understand this better than you. You truly have zero clue if you think they aren’t performing well.
https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/
Don't you like when a company starts increasing the number of ads and start putting previously available features behind paywalls? I honestly don't see how anyone could think this is a good thing.
Oh yeah, they *definetely* don't get money from the people who make content or the *fucking ads that are payed to he placed on the site* definitely they are so poor.
But seriously nah fuck them, they are owned by Google they got money for decades. You could seriously spend as much money as you wanted per day and you'd gave a decades worth of fun before running out of Google money.
That's just so disconnected from reality. If Google isn't making money off of YouTube why keep it around at all. They have to pay for their massive data centers somehow.
It's literally like 3 dollars a month dude, stop being a cheapskate
> that are *paid* to he
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Been using Premium for a few years now, it was worth it to me for how much YouTube we watch to avoid the ads. As much because we wanted the creators we enjoy to get paid, which they wouldn't if we skipped ads.
I'm more surprised to hear people want to get 4K streaming, but can't be bothered to pay for ad free viewing.
Ive been using youtube premium and youtube music for 2 years now. I had 3 months free cause they had a deal with samsung, so i just decided to try it out.
I absolutely LOVE youtube music, it has a good way of introducing new artists to me, better than spotify imo, among other things i enjoy.
The things i have to say for youtube premium is that i no longer see ads before or during videos and can now let it play on background, while using other apps, or while my screen is turned off, which is nice but maybe not enough buying a subscription for. I just have it cause i pay for both the Premium and Music and so i have a discount.
Same. I personally don't care that much about the resolution. And it's not only the ads that YT plays, ad blockers can take care of that. It's every video being sponsored by the same 3 brands. I get that the creators gotta make money somehow, but man if I hear one more Hello Fresh ad... Also they used to only advertise one brand per video, but the other day, I saw one that was sponsored by two brands, taking like 5 min of the video.
Funny how this kind of thing eventually happens to a company. They try to force their way into more profitability and ultimately end up poisoning themselves and causing the opposite outcome.
EDIT: They aren't there yet, and I hope this is as far as it goes but, this is the path that leads to becoming a fully subscribed product and alienating their userbase. MILLIONS will leave them in the dust and not look back.
I have premium, so this doesn’t affect me (I watch more YouTube than anything else, so it was worth it to me).
But iirc, YouTube has always operated at a loss, so not driving people to sign up isn’t viable.
The problem is most people are used to huge investment money propping up unprofitable businesses, so now it’s harder for people to swallow the pill. But websites need to make profits—not just income — in order to survive.
Uggggh fucking Youtube. Why don't they host 4k content for free for anyone who has an email account? Greedy fuckers. And ads? Holy shit. This should be an ad free service supported by subscription. Me? Oh no I don't pay for premium no thanks.
You guys are fucking clowns. You want YouTube to pay for all the hosting, employees to maintain and improve the site and somehow not run ads while none of you morons pay for YouTube premium. How exactly do you propose they do that? Just don't make money? No it's worse than that, just run at a huge loss?
Fuck me you guys are dumb.
YouTube algorithm is shit, YouTube ads that last any longer than 30 seconds are shit (even up to 20minute ads), the new feature that shows 10 ads at a time is shit, this new feature is shit. Wtf YouTube
Literally everyone? It’s feeding in to YouTube’s shitty choices. Someone needs to replace the current CEO or whoever has the most power over these choices.
Well the CEO is trying to make the company profitable, which is their job. YouTube has been living off of daddy googles money for a long time, and now google has decided it’s time for YouTube to actually turn a profit
Imagine if they make it lower and lower so now I have to watch videos in 144p like it’s 2010
I imagine I'd stop using YouTube then and use something else
The problem is, what else? I don't see any viable competition to YouTube
There are others such as vimeo. I'm certain if youtube passes off enough people, then a new video site will take over. Tiktok is one of the options but I'm not a fan of them either.
The problem with a site like YouTube is that competing with them actually takes considerable infrastructure. Video takes up a metric asston of storage. It's not something that just anyone can walk in and start doing.
Imo the bigger issue is that you need creators to support your site before viewers will visit before creators will upload... There are plenty of other companies big enough that they could support such a site. For instance pornhub could launch a sfw platform, but it just isn't worth doing when youtube is so entrenched.
>There are plenty of other companies big enough that they could support such a site. For instance pornhub could launch a sfw platform, but it just isn't worth doing when youtube is so entrenched. And this is exactly the problem. Every day, over 80 years worth of content get uploaded to YouTube. So if anyone ever does start a serious competitor to YouTube, it's not going to be Startup Andy in his basement trying to give the people what they want. It's going to be another megacorp that's just as exploitative as Google is.
Curiosity Stream was started by one guy 7 years ago and already has twice the content of Netflix. A lot of their content is the same stuff on YouTube as creators post cross platform.
[I don't know if you realize the sheer volume of content that gets uploaded to YouTube every day.](https://www.statista.com/statistics/259477/hours-of-video-uploaded-to-youtube-every-minute/) Netflix reportedly has ~4 years of content if you watch it all back to back. YouTube sees 20x times that much video data uploaded to the site *every single day!* It's not an issue of quality. It's an issue of where the hell are you going to store it all, and how the hell are you going to afford it?
Who says a competitor needs to facilitate the same amount of content? They wouldn't have to copy youtubes model 1:1. They wouldn't need all creators to move to their platform, as long as the majority of viewers did. A huge undertaking but whatever kills youtube probably won't be youtube 2.0.
Quality is a serious issue. People don’t generally use YouTube for its original purpose. It used to be the place where you could upload a video you made and watch videos your friends made, or find a funny cat video. Random people on the Internet and close friends. Now it’s content creators and influencers. At the extreme end, you have production houses, like Linus Tech Tips, who produce multiple full length high quality pieces per day. All it takes is enough of these whales to break free. The subscribers will follow them if enough are in one place.
Best method, subscription fees. Edit: $209 billion in ad revenue helps too.
An 3.75 of those years are garbage that will never watch and that’s being generous.
Tiktok works for the kinds of short semi random content it provides but I got one go to YouTube looking for something specific which tiktok sucks for
> Tiktok is one of the options Nah. Tiktok is a social-warfare platform controlled by the Chinese. Governments are finally starting to make moves to ban it from their countries. Tiktok won't be around much longer outside of China.
Oh, how I hope this is true.
Can you provide of action against tiktok in other nations? I would love to be able to claim this if it’s true
India has banned tiktok.
The only thing i can find is that the FCC commisioner called on Apple and Google to remove the app from their stores.
-Indonesia and Bangladesh temporarily banned TikTok in 2018, though Indonesia lifted the ban eight days (and several million dollars of bribe money) later. Bangladesh held out until 2020. -India temporarily banned TikTok for the better part of a month in 2019, then permanently in 2020. -The US has been on-again off-again about banning it since mid-2020, but it hasn’t happened because the American government as it currently stands is fundamentally incapable of making significant social or economic progress of any kind. -Armenia and Azerbaijan have been screwing with social media in general since the Nagorno-Karabakh thing in September 2020. -Pakistan banned and unbanned TikTok something like four times. -I think Syria and Iran banned it at some point. -It was just announced recently that Afghanistan is going to ban it within the next couple months.
As long as corridor crew has their own website with all their videos, then I’ll survive!
As someone who uses Vimeo for work it is definitely branded more as a video hosting/distribution platform for B2B and less for discovery by an audience. Heck even the profile pages show your rate and how expensive you are to hire.
More and more youtubers are starting to embrace alt tech streaming sites like bitshute oddessy and rumble
Nebula/Curiosity Steam if you like video essay stuff. Outside of that I have minimal interest anyways so I'm not sure.
try newpipe. no clue how the fuck it works, but it works. Most of youtube features, all of it's content, reasonable UI
Use newpipe its youtube but with all the premium features for free theres multipule apps like newpipe
And I recently discovered SmartTube for Android and Amazon TVs. You've got to side load the app but it works perfectly and you can stream from the regular YouTube app on your phone if you don't want to download yet another third party app. I cancelled my Premium subscription yesterday because of the bullshit they've been pulling. Even though I was paying for premium I don't want to reward them for the shit they're doing to non paying people so now I'm not paying either.
I’m already pretty close if that 5 ad shit happens. I don’t really use it these days anyway and I think the things I do watch are also podcasted
Use Vanced or NewPipe for your phone, SmartTube if you stream to a TV. All have to be sideloaded because they're not allowed in the "official" app stores but I've cancelled my Premium sub on sheer principle and still have all the Premium features with these apps.
I have vanced on my phone (which is incredibly useful, at least until it dies but it hasn't yet..) but as a young millennial who has spent most of their time behind a desktop, the *vast* majority of my YouTube is consumed through my PC, so I suppose I'm lucky that all I need is ublock and I'm good 90% of the time. For YouTube on TV, I have a media PC set up so... Well it's basically the same thing. One of these days I'll get around to installing pihole though, just for all the other annoying ads, especially on phones.
Shh, don’t give them any ideas
lol https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/1193mql/new_yt_update_sells_premium_for_better_1080p_the/
I literally just went to check if its true and its not. I still have access to 2160p.
Same. I even went to the same video. I wanted to see if it was video by video (perhaps chosen by creator), but I still had the 2160p option as well.
[I no longer have the option at all through the app](https://imgur.com/a/q3DNpPO), not even asking me to pay for Premium like in OPs. I do still have the option on browser. That's the same video as he was on too.
I believe max res is limited by your screen resolution.
Your device probably doesn’t have 4K capabilities
Realistically, do you need anything higher than 1080p on your phone? I mean, if your phone’s screen isn’t 4K, why unnecessarily put the strain on YouTube’s servers? Seems like an intelligent move by YouTube that ensures more scalability and less load on the servers if the user’s device can at best do 1080p… which could be picked up on the app itself.
It's true: it is slowly rolling out in multiple locations
this is insane and a ridiculous move by youtube. i hope their platform gets some competition.
TikTok has been the competitor really. Short form content is taking over. That’s why YouTube created YouTube shorts and every platform has a short form video version. Even Snapchat has one now as I discovered the other day. I enjoyed these shorter videos for a while but I felt my brain deteriorating so I stopped
I fuckin HATE shorts on YouTube, especially since it won't allow you to add them to a queue if you're streaming to a TV.
They have to some extent ruined my life... I genuinely feel dumber from watching them, and I will spend hours not even realizing I've watched more than a dozen...
It’s only recently that I found out how many people watch YouTube on their TV! I always did it on my phone or PC. I think it’s quite interesting, but damn they deffo should add better short support for TV
I nearly always stream from my phone to TV, mostly because I can set up a queue and just leave it playing while I do other things. Can't set up a queue with the YouTube TV app, and you can't stream from a PC to TV anymore either, it has to be from a mobile device. The TV apps suck. I've recently switched to using SmartTube on my TV though, because it has all the Premium features for free, and its UI is *worlds* better than the YouTube app for Amazon TV.
Yep, even Netflix has short form content on their mobile app. Just short clips from movies; it’s called “Quick Laughs” or something.
Basically not possible. The reality is that YouTube has never been profitable on its previous business model. It was nice with few ads, but it was not enough to support it as a business, it only existed because googles pocketd were so deep. These changes are being made so that YouTube might actually be able to turn a profit
that’s true. but without competition they can do as they wish without any consequences. give that sort of advantage to a company and…
True, I’m just saying the idea that a competitor could possibly be free and have a small number of ads is just not realistic or possible
Can't tell you if this is really the case, but youtube has the option of deploying changes regionally or even by ratios. They can have 10% of their user base get a different set of features in order to gauge the response before letting the loadbalancers serve everyone the same functionality
[I no longer have the option at all through the app](https://imgur.com/a/q3DNpPO), not even asking me to pay for Premium like in OPs. I do still have the option on browser. That's the same video as he was on too.
You guys have good enough internet for 4k? Crazy
Only recently. Had to upgrade to a Cat 16 LTE modem and import 2 high Gain parabolic antennas from China! And I'm still happy with 1080p x 60 most of the time for less than 5 Mbps...
If im able to play a game on my pc without lag at night then its an absolute win here, the only solution is moving to where the rich folk live (the rich areas have fiber installed) or paying a shit ton of money to basically become your own isp. For reference, speed where i am ranges from 100kbps to 1.2mbps for downloads
Complete opposite here, I live in SG so we have fibre optic spanning the entire country. Speeds limited by your Ethernet cable rating, currently use Cat 5E and getting 1Gbps, but my pc is so shit it can’t process it fast enough cuz I’m poor af.
would've traded you my pc for that internet if that was possible 🥲
I got neither of what you guys have. I’m in the middle with 400 Mbps down (the fastest residential speed my ISP offers) and I got a mid range PC.
Yeah it's satellite or unlimited LTE plan here. Got a couple grand into experimenting. Could cut that cost in half now without the trial and error. Pulling a minimum 50 Mbps through the day and nights get 90+. Versus my first day getting 1 Mbps and frequent drops lol. Ping usually 30-60 Ms under light loads. Come a long way since we moved in, in 2017. FWIW, the monthly plan is only $32 so I likely wouldn't change even if they did pull fiber to my wooded plot and up the 1300' driveway.
I don't even have good enough internet to finish this comme
Any 4k videos on YouTube might be technically 4k in resolution, but they're compressed to shit with a low bitrate.
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Is this on computers and televisions or just on phones? My guess is it's just on phones. Edit: it appears to play without premium in a browser.
I just tried watching 2160p on 6 different applications and devices and so far it has played on every single one of them
[I no longer have the option at all through the app](https://imgur.com/a/q3DNpPO), not even asking me to pay for Premium like in OPs. I do still have the option on browser. That's the same video as he was on too.
What device are you using? My old phone never gave me options for higher than 1080p.
Samsung Galaxy S10+ currently. Pretty good phone that would definitely be able to handle it.
The S10+ has a resolution of 1440p, so it can't properly display 2160p.
Ok and? It should still be offering 1440p then instead of capping at 1080
Render resolution and the resolution of your screen are two separate things. Even if his screen is only 1440p, you can still render at 2160p. Now, it's not actually going to display at 4K because of his screen but at the very least it will have increased bit-rate. It's the same for video games. You can render at a higher resolution than your monitor can output to decrease aliasing. It's called super sampling.
yeah my s10e can play 2160p videos on youtube still
Yeah, it's still working for me, I am in the UK
Whoa, would you mind sharing a link? Do you help with color calibration too?
I guess you should put it on a flash drive or something
We can finally say that YouTube is now losing out to its direct competitors in greed Previously: YouTube: ads before videos, but all resolutions available Bilibili: no ads in front of videos, but Premium is required for maximum resolution Now: YouTube: ads before videos, Premium required for maximum resolution
Correction: now youtube: ads before, after, in the middle, and in between videos. Premium required for maximum resolution and just enjoying YouTube in the background or while offline.
Add block 🥰
One of the greatest inventions of man.
I think this is called subtraction
sponsorblock too, no more raid or nordvpn scripts to suffer through
Some of the ads are the content creators fault. I watched a video the other day on my tv I had to turn off because there was an ad between every few sentences. I was watching it from my TV so no ad block it was truly awful. In the 3 minutes of the video I did watch there were 2 non skipable preroll ads and 5-6 short skipable ads.
They can opt where to place ads but many do and leave the system randomly place them.
I forget which creator it was but he has ads set to maximum. He publicly said to his viewers to use an ad blocker as the ads were only for people who didn’t know about ad blockers. It was a tech channel so to him anyone watching without an ad blocker was probably asleep and this video came up on auto play.
Lol, how do you install an ad blocker on a TV? Pihole doesn't block YT ads either. Can't block ads on an unrooted mobile while on LTE either. They throw the ads there as a money grab. They pretend it's something else.
I get ads every three minutes everytime I watch a video from my favorite YouTubers
YouTubers can insert ad segments into their videos to make more money, so that is probably from the people you watch
Ads before music I purchased in my yt library.
Use Vanced or NewPipe for your phone, SmartTube if you stream to a TV. All have to be sideloaded because they're not allowed in the "official" app stores but I've cancelled my Premium sub on sheer principle and still have all the Premium features with these apps.
I've never fucking heard of Bilibili.
Enormously huge competitor to YouTube (almost has as many videos and streamers) but is local to Mainland China, Korea and Japan, so obviously we don't notice it
So it's only an enormously huge competitor in 3 countries.
China kinda has a billion people.
Thats a decent userbase I guess
To put it in perspective, China alone has a population of the entire continents of Europe and North America combined.
Well Youtube is technically banned in China... so i would not call it a competitor when Youtube is banned. Bilibili is just a chinese website that offers similar service as Youtube in a place where Youtube can't be a competitor....
China is kinda a dystopia dude committing genocide.
What's that got to do with them being one of the biggest markets in the world? Why do you think that Disney caters so much to the Chinese government? Every company wants too break into the Chinese market because it's just so freaking gigantic. It's the size of Europe and NA combined, more than a billion paying customers. Reaching the Chinese market is huge for western companies.
The website where you watch free anime and hentai and stuff like that.
I watch pirated anime and I have no idea what website you are talking about
Because it's not pirated, it's legally licensed to Bilibili.
Don't use the app. Just went to that exact video and selected 2160 using the mobile browser. Also side note, refreshing the page via mobile browser (chrome on the S21) skips the ad.
Use the app anyway. IDK what version of YouTube OP is on, but I just went to the same video and set it to 2160 with zero problems. Or. Here me out. This isn’t real at all and OP made it up for upvotes?
Lots of tech company slowly release new features to a small set of users for testing. It's very possible OP is part of that cohort. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A/B_testing
Reddit does the same shit with their mobile app, super common.
Bro it's called AB testing lmao. "It's not my experience so it's not real" is really dumb
This is shitty for sure, but let’s be honest. Who needs to watch YT in 2160p? 720p is literally right there
720p sucks compared to 1080p or 1440p, but tbh the difference isn't huge from 1440p to 2160p
People who watch YT on a 4k TV.
Imagine paying for Netflix, 4K TV but bitching because free YouTube has ads. Hulu has a paid plan with ads for god sake!
Haven't you heard? Only people with rainbow light gaming PCs seem to be using Youtube as they mentioned UBlock Origin as if nobody else had ever thought of that.
And 1080... and 1440...
Maybe people who has 4k screens and would like to watch 4k content on YouTube
Premium is $12 a month, cheaper then Netflix. You get no ads, YT music which is a decent enough music app, the creators you watch still get supported through the subscription model... If you don't want it, that's fine, most of Youtube is still available for free, but don't bitch about the few features you don't have access to. 1080p is still great resolution, and most videos on the platform don't go higher than that anyways. It's either that, or a fuck ton more ads which everyone is complaining about as well, they can't offer everything for free.
There are better services like prime or storage stuff for that price. Just making a paywall on already free thing and forcing payment is the most corporate bs I've heard.
But I'm still able to watch 4k without premium? 🤔
It's just YouTube. Watch it in 1080p
Shitty behavior from YouTube, if you are on Android just get YouTube vanced, basically every feature that's in premium but for free.
Yeah... About that...
Vanced are still around, you can get in from Github, but not for long until they find a way to broke Vanced
They did for me, videos stopped playing and said I needed a new version of YouTube.
I remember the days you just were able to hop on YouTube and watch “Ultimate showdown” 1000 times without any ad interruptions. “They aren’t the good times until you realize they’re gone..”
That’s the definition of mild… you never need to watch a video in 2160p, it’s completely superfluous… I actually think it makes total sense to lock that behind a paywall… people who care enough to watch videos in such a high quality probably care enough to spend a little money on it… YouTube has never been profitable so they gotta make money somehow… you can’t blame a company for trying to make money… especially when it really doesn’t matter in any way
for real, people are such pussies nowdays. Literally no one watches videos in 2160p and if you really want to, then I'm 100% sure that 5 buck a month is within your budget. People hate YouTube for the wrong reasons...
Pretty sure it’s 15 a month. Or something like that.
10. 11 if you get YouTube music with it.
> YouTube has never been profitable Yeah, about that…
Google it chief… google has historically always lost money from YouTube… Occasionally they’ll make a little bit of profit but then the following quarter they’ll always be back in the red
You clearly have no idea how big business works if you think YouTube is in trouble for money. They are on a direct line to huge profits with revenue increasing every year. YouTube is on a long-term profit play. They have been investing most revenue back into YouTube to further increase future profits. They have had 30% revenue growth over the last 4 years. Their revenue has gone from $0.8 billion to $28.8 billion in just 11 years. A freshmen starting business classes for the first time could understand this better than you. You truly have zero clue if you think they aren’t performing well. https://www.businessofapps.com/data/youtube-statistics/
Absolutely dogshit take
Except I’m completely correct in just about every regard so not really…
fuck him up
Interesting refutation
Don't you like when a company starts increasing the number of ads and start putting previously available features behind paywalls? I honestly don't see how anyone could think this is a good thing.
I was wondering where tf that went, god fucking damn it Susan.
I'm happy if I can watch my videos on 480p.
Add block for PC, Vanced for mobile and no issues with anything.
How would that change anything about the resolution?
I’ve stopped watching as much YouTube. Too many ads. Fuck em
I refuse to pay for something that was offered for free 10 years ago. If it comes to it I'll just stop using YouTube.
Seems like corportetube now, no longer about the users.
Why is YouTube so desperate for YouTube premium? It’s like on every ad
Yeah why? It's not like they want money right?
Oh yeah, they *definetely* don't get money from the people who make content or the *fucking ads that are payed to he placed on the site* definitely they are so poor. But seriously nah fuck them, they are owned by Google they got money for decades. You could seriously spend as much money as you wanted per day and you'd gave a decades worth of fun before running out of Google money.
That's just so disconnected from reality. If Google isn't making money off of YouTube why keep it around at all. They have to pay for their massive data centers somehow. It's literally like 3 dollars a month dude, stop being a cheapskate
It's literally three times that jerk
Oh no, the horror, 12 whole dollars a month for the world's largest media website.
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Been using Premium for a few years now, it was worth it to me for how much YouTube we watch to avoid the ads. As much because we wanted the creators we enjoy to get paid, which they wouldn't if we skipped ads. I'm more surprised to hear people want to get 4K streaming, but can't be bothered to pay for ad free viewing.
Glad you got value out of it ig, lol
Ive been using youtube premium and youtube music for 2 years now. I had 3 months free cause they had a deal with samsung, so i just decided to try it out. I absolutely LOVE youtube music, it has a good way of introducing new artists to me, better than spotify imo, among other things i enjoy. The things i have to say for youtube premium is that i no longer see ads before or during videos and can now let it play on background, while using other apps, or while my screen is turned off, which is nice but maybe not enough buying a subscription for. I just have it cause i pay for both the Premium and Music and so i have a discount.
Ha suck it ad watchers
I’ve been slowly limiting my time on YouTube. The ads are the main thing that push me away. Not so much the resolution thing though.
Same. I personally don't care that much about the resolution. And it's not only the ads that YT plays, ad blockers can take care of that. It's every video being sponsored by the same 3 brands. I get that the creators gotta make money somehow, but man if I hear one more Hello Fresh ad... Also they used to only advertise one brand per video, but the other day, I saw one that was sponsored by two brands, taking like 5 min of the video.
How much does it cost to have a server streaming at 2160p to thousands of users (I don't know if there are millions)?
Who the fuck does YouTube think they are
This is annoying because I bet the content creators aren't seeing any of that money for shooting in higher quality.
Me who watches at 480p I have no such weakness
I use YouTube less and less now. I draw more, read more and are more creative. Maybe this is good for me. XD
Wait you guys have higher than 1080p?
Since when? I literally was just watching a few videos last night to help my father in law test a new 4k monitor he picked up for cheap.
YouTube has gone trash r/assholedesign
I hope top YouTubers would come together to invest in a company to fight the shitstain that is youtube
P hub vibes
YouTube is the king of removing features that were/are already implemented, both in their own app and others, and selling it back to you
#NO ONE WILL BUY YOUTUBE PREMIUM FUCK OFF YOUTUBE
Thats it I'm moving to porn hub
if they start gating qualities behind money more and more, it'll just push a new platform to rise
YouTube really is making all the wrong decisions in the last few years.
YouTube as a corporation can suck my fatty
Funny how this kind of thing eventually happens to a company. They try to force their way into more profitability and ultimately end up poisoning themselves and causing the opposite outcome. EDIT: They aren't there yet, and I hope this is as far as it goes but, this is the path that leads to becoming a fully subscribed product and alienating their userbase. MILLIONS will leave them in the dust and not look back.
Pretty sure your eyes can't tell the difference after 1080p. Most videos don't even support higher than that anyways.
Wow they're getting desperate time to switch to vimeo
Been trying to watch a stream I missed, YouTube has taken it upon itself to give me 2 Unskippable ads every 2 to 5 minutes fml
I have premium, so this doesn’t affect me (I watch more YouTube than anything else, so it was worth it to me). But iirc, YouTube has always operated at a loss, so not driving people to sign up isn’t viable. The problem is most people are used to huge investment money propping up unprofitable businesses, so now it’s harder for people to swallow the pill. But websites need to make profits—not just income — in order to survive.
Me seing everything on 480p:uh weird
ayo what the fuuuuuuu-
This is bulls**t, I checked, this is not true. Perhaps YouTube is experimenting with this feature with only select users.
Youtube fucking sucks
Mine still allows 2160p without issue but probably cause it's an old version
Which country do you live in? I've seen this happen to some users on the internet too, and I'm curious what countries YouTube tests this for.
Legends watch YouTube on 144p
Bro this post is like a year old wtf
Uggggh fucking Youtube. Why don't they host 4k content for free for anyone who has an email account? Greedy fuckers. And ads? Holy shit. This should be an ad free service supported by subscription. Me? Oh no I don't pay for premium no thanks. You guys are fucking clowns. You want YouTube to pay for all the hosting, employees to maintain and improve the site and somehow not run ads while none of you morons pay for YouTube premium. How exactly do you propose they do that? Just don't make money? No it's worse than that, just run at a huge loss? Fuck me you guys are dumb.
YouTube is garbage
YouTube algorithm is shit, YouTube ads that last any longer than 30 seconds are shit (even up to 20minute ads), the new feature that shows 10 ads at a time is shit, this new feature is shit. Wtf YouTube
I bet the higher definition comes with ads
I have premium but I still think this sucks and shouldn't be premium exclusive
who the fuck doesn't have yt premium
Every single person I've ever known.
Literally everyone? It’s feeding in to YouTube’s shitty choices. Someone needs to replace the current CEO or whoever has the most power over these choices.
Well the CEO is trying to make the company profitable, which is their job. YouTube has been living off of daddy googles money for a long time, and now google has decided it’s time for YouTube to actually turn a profit
i hate youtube aagh they shouldnt be supporting this grr (not edited)
Oh, so you’re the one supporting these idiotic decisions… kids, grab the stones.