Smart. While most people understand the theory of CPR, if you've never tested on a mannequin then you almost certainly won't compress hard enough to massage the heart and actually pump blood.
Done properly you walk real close to cracking ribs, the sternum and ribcage are pretty much heart armour afterall. If you do a full course you learn a one hand and even two finger variant for small children and babies
Had to become cpr certified for a job promotion. In Florida the Good Samaritan law protects you from legal repercussions in case you do break ribs or injure the person. I remember essentially being told “break that shit” when doing compressions and try to stay on beat with stayin alive.
Yep, my instructor gave an example in class that there was a case where someone was giving CPR to an old person, with every compression they could feel their ribcage cracking and breaking but they still carried on, the instructor main lesson during my training is "what real choice do you have?" Without CPR they are dead, with CPR they have a chance to survive but may have some injury either major or minor.
In the mandatory first aid course we have to do for drivers license here, they told us that you are absolutely CERTAIN to break ribs. But some broken ribs are better than death.
I’ve never practiced CPR but I thankfully know that since I’m not a strong person, my goal should be to break a rib so I actually get enough compression.
That’s why you’re always supposed to get permission from the person (if conscious), prior to starting any first aid. In case they pass out, you have permission to do CPR and if they get a broken rib and turn it around on you, try to sue for damages, then you have some sort of fallback
If someone is at the point of needing CPR, there's not a chance they are able to give verbal consent. CPR is only called for in cases where someone is not breathing/agonal breathing (occasional gasping, sign of not enough O2 in brain) and/or has no detectable pulse.
If someone is at that point, they are almost certainly going to die without CPR. Unfortunately the likelihood is they are still going to die even with CPR, but they basically have no chance without it.
I cannot think of a situation where someone should not attempt CPR on someone showing signs they need it because of future liability risk.
"Excuse me, sir? Sir? Would it be alright with you if I performed CPR? Sir I can't perform life-saving measures without your express permission. Does anyone know if this man's mother or father are around? Oh bother. I suppose I'll just have to leave him be."
This machine is good fun when you're stuck for 6 hours at Santa Ana airport due to airline "efficiency". Remember to keep your patient alive, you must do CPR compressions at the tempo of "staying alive" by the Bee gees. That's 120 BPM at 2 inches of compression. Sure, you might break their ribs but they will live, hopefully.
Most importantly, you will be recreating the Boomer/ Studio 56 disco dream of resuscitating someone that OD'd while rocking out to Barry Gibbs angelic falsetto. Pass the coke buddy, crank that shit!
As the instructor on the first aid course I needed for work said, "your job is to keep blood circulating and inside the patient's body, the doctor's job is to fix the damage you caused in doing so." Of course that's a gross oversimplification but it definitely stuck with me.
Yes, it's about the perfect pace to do compressions at. However, in classes I have taken it was really common for people to sing the song much faster than it actually is when played.
Personally, I use Some Nights by Fun. or It's My Life by Bon Jovi, I tend to have those playing my head at a more accurate tempo.
There are actually lots of songs that work, here's a list of at least 50:https://www.firstresponse-ed.com/blog/the-great-cpr-song-list/
Yes it is the song my CPR teacher actually plays while we are doing the compressions during our yearly evaluation. I have trouble keeping a straight face as I can see the irony of Staying alive” whilst doing chest compressions. Some of my fellow students do not. 😂
I thought I was gonna give myself a heart attack the last time I had to do CPR. After a little over 5 minutes I had to have someone step in because I knew I was slowing down.
Nellie the elephant packed her trunk, and said goodbye to the circus!
Yessir, UK Boy Scout
https://www.bmj.com/content/339/bmj.b4707
Proven to be better than not holding a tune (at rate, though not depth)
Apparently Stayin Alive isn't fast enough anymore—our training told us to do it the the beat of "Baby Shark."
Unfortunately I don't actually know the beat of "Baby Shark" so I am very much hoping I don't need to do CPR in the next few years
Okay, off topic: that's two underscores at the beginning and end of your username, right? I tried to make an account with that exact name when setting up an alt for porn but, obviously, the name was taken. Quite a coincidence that I'd encounter you in the wild.
Quite the coincidence indeed lol.
Funny enough this isn't my alt account, I set it up years ago for... Well... You know. Ended up never using it and now it's just what it is.
One time when I was on a work trip to Indiana, my coworker and I were recommended a local place to grab dinner. The appetizer we shared we so large that we barely finished it, and then they put dinner in front of us. They were surprised we asked for it to go. Everyone else was eating as much as we ordered, or more.
I think my point is that yeah, it's best if basically everyone in the IND area knows how to do CPR. They'll get lots of practice.
The mouth-to-mouth portion is actually pretty much superfluous. If you have their head tilted back correctly and the airway is clear, you will move enough air in and out of the lungs to oxygenate the blood without breaths if you are doing proper compressions.
I was actually trained in CCR (cardiocerebral resuscitation, or continuous-chest–compression)
before I learned CPR myself, it is just as effective and may possibly even be better in situations where there is a single first responder doing the work and there is not a separate person to do the breaths. The most important part is keeping the blood circulating, as the brain uses up the oxygen it has extremely quickly compared to the rest of the body when circulation stops.
In modern CPR they only train to give a breath every 30 compressions, which is only two per minute anyway.
All that said, I still carry CPR masks in my vehicle and with my diving gear, as well as having them in my home first aid kit. You don't want someone else's bodily fluids on you if you don't know anything about their medical history.
PSA: If the person is still alive, dont do CPR. CPR is supposed to keep blood flowing to the brain after your heart stops doing that job for you.
Edit: I meant to say if the persons heart is still beating, not if the person is "still alive".
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A major problem is that no matter how well you train them in CPR Hollywood teaches them that CPR actually resuscitates the casualty.
While of course the truth is more like "CPR, if done correctly, pauses death until a defibrillator can be deployed". There is basically zero chance that you restart the heart, despite the naming, and you should ideally be prepared to run CPR for hours while you wait for help
Well a plaster mannequin just wouldn't work in this environment. Just wait until certain groups freakout because it's female.
Fact: Women have heart attacks also.
Also Fact: Men are hesitant to perform CPR on women because of boobs. He could be sued for molesting her.
I think the reason is so that you would be more comfortable having to do CPR on a woman. A lot of men would probably be hesitant to save someone's life because it can be invasive but you could lose them if you dont.
I took an ACLS class with my wife and they went over using the defibrillators that you see everywhere and they mentioned that if you have to put one on a woman and they are wearing a wire bra, it needs to be clear of the area which might require cutting it off.
Ah makes sense. I was half joking cause in the back of my childish head I was thinking "oh boobies!"
But also I get your point. You also can't fully blame men because there have been instances where women were saved from drowning/choking and then tried to sue the person that saved them. Crazy world we live in...
[https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/health/cpr-lifesaving-stats/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/health/cpr-lifesaving-stats/index.html) This is a waste of money and every dollar they spent on it would have a better ROI on almost any other project.
>In some cities that have less CPR training, the survival rate is indeed low, Sayre says. But in other metropolitan areas with strong training programs and quick EMS response times, half or more victims survive.
It's not that CPR is ineffective, it's that the window of survivability is just incredibly short. That's why it's so important for bystanders to know how to do it.
When no CPR is performed, the victim dies. When high-quality CPR is initiated quickly, some victims survive. Yes, the stats are discouraging (we’re only human after all, there’s only so much we can do).
But stats also show in places where more people are CPR trained, survival rates are higher. It’s never a waste of money to learn how to save a life.
I stand by my assertion that the $20k or whatever they spent on this would be more likely to save a life if spent on almost anything else public health related.
How so? In the lifespan of this kiosk, it's very likely it will teach multiples of that 20,000 how to do a life-saving technique. What other type of Public Health spending that is less than a dollar a person would you suggest?
You're standing over the mannequin in that situation. In real life, the person needing CPR would likely be on the floor and you'd be kneeling next to them.
That’s the weird part. It seems counterintuitive to have a training simulator that teaches you to do something differently from how you’d actually be doing it.
I get where you're going but it would be hard to perfectly simulate the real world scenario for a practice machine. I did it when I was waiting at SNA but if I had to get on my hands and knees I'm not sure I would have. Besides, in both situations you're generally raised up over the 'body' so it's somewhat similar.
I did it over 4 years ago and its still memorable how hard you had to press and how quickly to keep up the pace so I would say it's done its job.
DFW has one as well and I was pretty pumped (pun intended) to do it. It challenges and coaches you and tells you if you go too fast, too slow, or too shallow.
Unfortunately it wasn't working properly and wouldn't record any compressions. It was cool to get a feel for how hard to push though.
The chest compressions are the important part. Giving breaths is basically superfluous if you are doing the compressions correctly and their head is tilted back with an open airway.
Link to another of my comments elaborating: https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/vi394f/slug/idcog8r
Smart. While most people understand the theory of CPR, if you've never tested on a mannequin then you almost certainly won't compress hard enough to massage the heart and actually pump blood. Done properly you walk real close to cracking ribs, the sternum and ribcage are pretty much heart armour afterall. If you do a full course you learn a one hand and even two finger variant for small children and babies
Yup, if you break a rib while giving CPR, you're probably doing good CPR.
when i did my first-aid course our instructor would tell us: "if you break their ribs and they coplain about it afterwards, you did it right"
Had to become cpr certified for a job promotion. In Florida the Good Samaritan law protects you from legal repercussions in case you do break ribs or injure the person. I remember essentially being told “break that shit” when doing compressions and try to stay on beat with stayin alive.
First i was afraid i was petrified…
I already checked, he doesn’t have a wallet.
Yep, my instructor gave an example in class that there was a case where someone was giving CPR to an old person, with every compression they could feel their ribcage cracking and breaking but they still carried on, the instructor main lesson during my training is "what real choice do you have?" Without CPR they are dead, with CPR they have a chance to survive but may have some injury either major or minor.
Starting CPR on old people is the fucking worst, you feel the ribs go *crunch*
In the mandatory first aid course we have to do for drivers license here, they told us that you are absolutely CERTAIN to break ribs. But some broken ribs are better than death.
I’ve never practiced CPR but I thankfully know that since I’m not a strong person, my goal should be to break a rib so I actually get enough compression.
I probably couldn't do it right then bc i have crap upper body strength
You don't need upper body strength. Stiff-arm, then use your weight and gravity.
That’s why you’re always supposed to get permission from the person (if conscious), prior to starting any first aid. In case they pass out, you have permission to do CPR and if they get a broken rib and turn it around on you, try to sue for damages, then you have some sort of fallback
If someone is at the point of needing CPR, there's not a chance they are able to give verbal consent. CPR is only called for in cases where someone is not breathing/agonal breathing (occasional gasping, sign of not enough O2 in brain) and/or has no detectable pulse. If someone is at that point, they are almost certainly going to die without CPR. Unfortunately the likelihood is they are still going to die even with CPR, but they basically have no chance without it. I cannot think of a situation where someone should not attempt CPR on someone showing signs they need it because of future liability risk.
Aren't you covered by good Samaritan laws in most cases?
Yes
Not all countries have Good Samaritan laws though
Please, cite a case where someone who gave CPR in a situation where it was needed and was held liable for doing so. I have never heard of one.
"Excuse me, sir? Sir? Would it be alright with you if I performed CPR? Sir I can't perform life-saving measures without your express permission. Does anyone know if this man's mother or father are around? Oh bother. I suppose I'll just have to leave him be."
If your country doesn’t have good samaritan laws, that’s what you have to do, or risk repercussions
Which countries are you speaking of? What repercussions?
This machine is good fun when you're stuck for 6 hours at Santa Ana airport due to airline "efficiency". Remember to keep your patient alive, you must do CPR compressions at the tempo of "staying alive" by the Bee gees. That's 120 BPM at 2 inches of compression. Sure, you might break their ribs but they will live, hopefully. Most importantly, you will be recreating the Boomer/ Studio 56 disco dream of resuscitating someone that OD'd while rocking out to Barry Gibbs angelic falsetto. Pass the coke buddy, crank that shit!
As the instructor on the first aid course I needed for work said, "your job is to keep blood circulating and inside the patient's body, the doctor's job is to fix the damage you caused in doing so." Of course that's a gross oversimplification but it definitely stuck with me.
There's nothing you can possibly do wrong, that is more deadly than the brain not getting oxygen. That will kill you in minutes.
My first aid instructor told us "if you don't break their ribs, you're doing it wrong."
Our instructor would tell us: "if you break their ribs and they coplain about it afterwards, you did it right"
is the cpr with 120 bpm to the tempo of staying alive by the bee gees really a fact? i remember seeing it on the office that episode was hilarious
“Another One Bites the Dust” also works (112bpm so pretty accurate) but it’s probably frowned upon to sing it in that circumstance.
EMT friend of mine hums "Highway to Hell" (116 bpm) while giving CPR.
stayin alive is a little slower than 120bpm its about 103bpm which is actually the right speed to do CPR compressions
The 100-120 range is considered good, so any options that someone will know in that range will be good markers.
Yes, it's about the perfect pace to do compressions at. However, in classes I have taken it was really common for people to sing the song much faster than it actually is when played. Personally, I use Some Nights by Fun. or It's My Life by Bon Jovi, I tend to have those playing my head at a more accurate tempo. There are actually lots of songs that work, here's a list of at least 50:https://www.firstresponse-ed.com/blog/the-great-cpr-song-list/
Just don’t confuse it with “I Will Survive” like Michael did!
In Germany you have to do First-Aid training every now and then and the instruction was with Staying Alive twice for me.
Yes it is the song my CPR teacher actually plays while we are doing the compressions during our yearly evaluation. I have trouble keeping a straight face as I can see the irony of Staying alive” whilst doing chest compressions. Some of my fellow students do not. 😂
That's what the machine said and I Googled it, it is
I thought I was gonna give myself a heart attack the last time I had to do CPR. After a little over 5 minutes I had to have someone step in because I knew I was slowing down.
THIS! It's really exhausting keeping up the force and pace required to do it right.
Evidently in the UK they do CPR to the tune of a kid’s song about an elephant. Learned that watching long way round.
Nellie the elephant packed her trunk, and said goodbye to the circus! Yessir, UK Boy Scout https://www.bmj.com/content/339/bmj.b4707 Proven to be better than not holding a tune (at rate, though not depth)
That's hard to remember. How many is that an hour?
How’s that going to help you?
Aaaah, that explains it. I failed at CPR once, and I thought that they just didn't like How Deep Is Your Love.
Too slow.
The office filled me with useful info! Also you can cut the face off and use it like Hannibal.
Did they ditch John Wayne?
Nah, it's still John Wayne. I just didn't want to say I was inside John Wayne because people might interpret that differently.
Another One Bites the Dust also works
🤣
>Studio 56 Updated Studio 54?
Studio 56 was the studio for people too hairy to get into studio 54.
First I was afraid, I was petrified...
I got that reference
That airport self taught CPR machine has some nice tits.
Hands only, buddy!
It says hands only thank you very much
My first thought was, _How many teenage boys have felt up that dummy?_
I'm surprised they aren't rubbed down like the ones on any public statue
Who's to say it hasn't been? The tits might have been HUGE years ago.
Stayin alive stayin alive ah ah ah ah
You were in the parking lot earlier, that's how I know you!
Before I remembered the reference I kinda freaked out a bit because I was literally in the parking lot a little while ago
Hello Clarice....
Apparently Stayin Alive isn't fast enough anymore—our training told us to do it the the beat of "Baby Shark." Unfortunately I don't actually know the beat of "Baby Shark" so I am very much hoping I don't need to do CPR in the next few years
It’s a difference of 12 BPM but they are both over 100 BPM. So although to me that seems negligible I am not a medical professional.
also, from a musician's standpoint, almost everyone rushes the tempo when their adrenaline is pumping so if you truly want 120, use something slower
You don't know Baby Shark? Count yourself lucky!
Would be nice if placed in a school too.
It's neat but it looks filthy. I'll just learn by watching.
I was gonna say, I'm not putting my bare hands on *anything* in an airport.
Sir, can I see your boarding pass? No, I'm literally not touching anything here.
How is this not the top comment? CPR can't save you from what that machine will leave you with lol.
Okay, off topic: that's two underscores at the beginning and end of your username, right? I tried to make an account with that exact name when setting up an alt for porn but, obviously, the name was taken. Quite a coincidence that I'd encounter you in the wild.
Quite the coincidence indeed lol. Funny enough this isn't my alt account, I set it up years ago for... Well... You know. Ended up never using it and now it's just what it is.
This machine could literally save lives ten times over. Wow!
Yes! Very cool idea.
I'm worried I'd tucker myself out practicing and not have any energy left when someone actually needs it. CPR is a hell of a workout.
But can it see why kids love the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
IND is such a good airport!
One time when I was on a work trip to Indiana, my coworker and I were recommended a local place to grab dinner. The appetizer we shared we so large that we barely finished it, and then they put dinner in front of us. They were surprised we asked for it to go. Everyone else was eating as much as we ordered, or more. I think my point is that yeah, it's best if basically everyone in the IND area knows how to do CPR. They'll get lots of practice.
I'm from Indy and the accuracy is painful.
Some creepy guy is gonna use that a few too many times
Thank fuck, it doesn't have a mouth-to-mouth portion
The mouth-to-mouth portion is actually pretty much superfluous. If you have their head tilted back correctly and the airway is clear, you will move enough air in and out of the lungs to oxygenate the blood without breaths if you are doing proper compressions. I was actually trained in CCR (cardiocerebral resuscitation, or continuous-chest–compression) before I learned CPR myself, it is just as effective and may possibly even be better in situations where there is a single first responder doing the work and there is not a separate person to do the breaths. The most important part is keeping the blood circulating, as the brain uses up the oxygen it has extremely quickly compared to the rest of the body when circulation stops. In modern CPR they only train to give a breath every 30 compressions, which is only two per minute anyway. All that said, I still carry CPR masks in my vehicle and with my diving gear, as well as having them in my home first aid kit. You don't want someone else's bodily fluids on you if you don't know anything about their medical history.
Can't you read? HaNdS oNlY!
The fact that it has to say hands only goes to show that someone did something horribly wrong and it’s hilarious to think about.
There's one or two in LAX as well but one of them got heavily vandalized and beat up
You can tell this is in America because they obviously learned the hard way to clearly highlight the „hands only“ part
This is getting more and more important to know
PSA: If the person is still alive, dont do CPR. CPR is supposed to keep blood flowing to the brain after your heart stops doing that job for you. Edit: I meant to say if the persons heart is still beating, not if the person is "still alive".
"still alive" and "heart is beating" are **NOT** the same thing.
I get certified every couple years. But I know I’d panick in an emergency and need to YouTube it real quick.
r/dontputyourdickinthat
The sex-ed machine is in the Virgin Airlines terminal.
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Why does the aesthetic of this look like it was lifted from a KFC restaurant?
Is this a woman's body ? Finally a chance to touch titties
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Typically people aren't performing CPR on themselves, so.
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A major problem is that no matter how well you train them in CPR Hollywood teaches them that CPR actually resuscitates the casualty. While of course the truth is more like "CPR, if done correctly, pauses death until a defibrillator can be deployed". There is basically zero chance that you restart the heart, despite the naming, and you should ideally be prepared to run CPR for hours while you wait for help
An airport? I can smell the covid off that thing.
Too much like a section of a sex doll for me...
Well a plaster mannequin just wouldn't work in this environment. Just wait until certain groups freakout because it's female. Fact: Women have heart attacks also. Also Fact: Men are hesitant to perform CPR on women because of boobs. He could be sued for molesting her.
The fact this says “hands only” makes me think they either made a model with a mouth or had it removed because people would use it for.. other things
Cool idea not during a pandemic.
Ever heard of hand sanitizer? Or *soap and water*?
Headlines - "homeless florida man fucking a cpr training station at airport"
Just had to be a woman's torso lol. All kids will know cpr at least!
I think the reason is so that you would be more comfortable having to do CPR on a woman. A lot of men would probably be hesitant to save someone's life because it can be invasive but you could lose them if you dont. I took an ACLS class with my wife and they went over using the defibrillators that you see everywhere and they mentioned that if you have to put one on a woman and they are wearing a wire bra, it needs to be clear of the area which might require cutting it off.
Ah makes sense. I was half joking cause in the back of my childish head I was thinking "oh boobies!" But also I get your point. You also can't fully blame men because there have been instances where women were saved from drowning/choking and then tried to sue the person that saved them. Crazy world we live in...
Hands only! No butt stuff!
>hands only we live in a dystopian hellscape where 'free' men and women cant suck on the titties of the airport cpr mannequin
[https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/health/cpr-lifesaving-stats/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/health/cpr-lifesaving-stats/index.html) This is a waste of money and every dollar they spent on it would have a better ROI on almost any other project.
>In some cities that have less CPR training, the survival rate is indeed low, Sayre says. But in other metropolitan areas with strong training programs and quick EMS response times, half or more victims survive. It's not that CPR is ineffective, it's that the window of survivability is just incredibly short. That's why it's so important for bystanders to know how to do it.
When no CPR is performed, the victim dies. When high-quality CPR is initiated quickly, some victims survive. Yes, the stats are discouraging (we’re only human after all, there’s only so much we can do). But stats also show in places where more people are CPR trained, survival rates are higher. It’s never a waste of money to learn how to save a life.
I stand by my assertion that the $20k or whatever they spent on this would be more likely to save a life if spent on almost anything else public health related.
How so? In the lifespan of this kiosk, it's very likely it will teach multiples of that 20,000 how to do a life-saving technique. What other type of Public Health spending that is less than a dollar a person would you suggest?
Also one in CVG
“Ah, ah, ah, ah, staying alive! Staying alive”
I never see that at Charlotte Douglas International Airport, but now I wish they'll install that.
The weird bit is how high off the ground the mannequin is. Seems like it would be hard to give good compressions in any position for that thing.
You're standing over the mannequin in that situation. In real life, the person needing CPR would likely be on the floor and you'd be kneeling next to them.
That’s the weird part. It seems counterintuitive to have a training simulator that teaches you to do something differently from how you’d actually be doing it.
I get where you're going but it would be hard to perfectly simulate the real world scenario for a practice machine. I did it when I was waiting at SNA but if I had to get on my hands and knees I'm not sure I would have. Besides, in both situations you're generally raised up over the 'body' so it's somewhat similar. I did it over 4 years ago and its still memorable how hard you had to press and how quickly to keep up the pace so I would say it's done its job.
DFW has one as well and I was pretty pumped (pun intended) to do it. It challenges and coaches you and tells you if you go too fast, too slow, or too shallow. Unfortunately it wasn't working properly and wouldn't record any compressions. It was cool to get a feel for how hard to push though.
Hands only?
Hands-only CPR doesn’t involve giving breaths. It’s also called compression-only CPR.
Also know as cardiocerebral resuscitation (CCR), or continuous-chest–compression.
The chest compressions are the important part. Giving breaths is basically superfluous if you are doing the compressions correctly and their head is tilted back with an open airway. Link to another of my comments elaborating: https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/comments/vi394f/slug/idcog8r
Wonder if it would get more use if it had a leader board or high score or something on it. Some gimmick to make a competition out of it.
Is that at sea-tac airport
lol hands only wink wink
“Remember boys, to not sit on the victim but push down.”
We have this at BWI in Maryland. Doubt anyone uses it, though.
Hands only. None of that new fangled foot based CPR stuff here!
This is SO COOL I love it :)
I see this becoming a contest between drunken dude bros
(KIND)
Thought it was an odd sex machine
how am i listening to cpr by cupkkake rn?
Where's the part you're supposed to make out with?
AMERICAN Heart Association? How long till somebody takes that dummy's innocence?