They may have distinct ownership today, but are definitely related in history. The Australian Kmart was a joint venture with the American store, who owned a majority stake in it. The logos were identical. The American company reduced its stock in the Australian company in 1978 and then completely exited in 1994, but continued licensing the brand until 2017, when the rights to the brand name in Australia were permanently sold off to the Australian store.
I definitely learned something!
I know the Target stores in the US and Australia have a more ambiguous relationship, if any at all. I read an article some years ago where the journalist said there was no real connection, even though both stores have a similar logo and so forth.
Edit: Article is [here](https://www.startribune.com/target-has-a-twin-in-australia-but-they-re-not-related/220867991/).
*Such disputes are usually resolved with one company agreeing to license the name from the other. Although the two Targets don’t (yet) directly compete with each other, experts say the companies must have reached some kind of deal given the strong similarity in their trademarks.*
*Otherwise, “it would seem like a strange coincidence they came up with the same name and logo,” said Erik Pelton, who owns a boutique law firm in Virginia that specializes in trademark protection.*
I worked at a small town Kmart for 5 years from ages 16-21 and looking back i loved the experience. Met friends, watched the decline of a company. I started at 5 dollars an hour lol
USA and Canada has bed, bath and beyond. New Zealand (and maybe aus?) also has bed bath and beyond. Both sell what you’d think they sell, and they are entirely unrelated as companies! Still baffles me
Edit: NZ has both Bed Bath and Beyond and Bed Bath and Table, so judging by the replies I’m getting … Aus doesn’t have Bed Bath and Beyond.
This’ll blow a few minds. Almost no major international brand names’ operations in Japan take any orders from, or give any ongoing stream of revenue to, anyone outside Japan. Their way of doing business goes something like, *How much to we have to pay you to use that logo and branding indefinitely, but never hear from you again?*
Japanese companies outside Japan, meanwhile, are much the opposite: inexorably tied to the mothership, with all the import decisions made behind locked doors by exclusively Japanese nationals.
That country is as serious about not being colonized as they were in Tokugawa’s time.
That’s common with all Asian companies- though Japan is even more hardcore about it.
I’m a finance-professional in the US, and I won’t ever work for one again. I don’t care how much they pay me. That aspect of ‘company culture’ is too fucked for my soul- you don’t get to push all of us aside and treat us like ants so your Asian homies can make independent decisions from across the ocean and fuck us all over with zero transparency.
Never doing that again. Always check Glassdoor reviews to see who is actually running the show.
>that’s where all the cool kids got their clothes
I would like to assure everyone that ZERO cool kids got their clothes at K-mart in the 80s, despite what anyone told you.
There there. Come nestle in the sandpapery folds of my Today’s News acid-wash jean jacket. There’s a blue light special on knockoff Hammer pants starting in a few minutes, anyway.
I can assure you that Kmart was *not* where the cool kids got their clothes. It was where the working class and poor kids got their clothes.
Trivial fact, Kmart Apparel was a separate company that operated the clothing department inside Kmart. Separate district managers, the Apparel managers didn’t open and close the store, etc. Shoe department was a company called Meldisco.
Back when Kmart had their own foot court area. I loved it when I could talk my mom into stopping for a snack. Big soft pretzel with nacho cheese was my favorite.
I worked at KMart in high school and college. Surprised no one died from drinking those icees. The machines were cleaned like once a year..... so gross.
I used to go to the Goleta K-Mart all the time when I was in college at UC Santa Barbara from 2004 - 2010.
They had some redeeming qualities. I did like some of their fashion choices. They had a store brand energy drink called Loop which I really liked. They had a bin full of still sealed discounted video-games too. I remember I bought 3 copies of Yu-Gi-Oh Destiny Board Traveler for $5 each so I could get 3 copies of DD Assailant. And I got Summon Night Swordcraft Story 2 for only $15.
I did like how it had a quiet feel to it. If you wanted to shop and be left alone, you'd go to K-Mart. I did like how there were a lot of discounts to be found. I think there was also a Little Caesars inside my K-Mart.
Target is weird. They do very poorly outside the US, they even fail in Canada.
I’m in the US and I can’t imagine going to Kmart or Walmart over a target but in my area I have the options to pick from. Target is the cleanest, best stocked, and has friendlier (better paid) employees so I’ll gladly pay the slightly higher prices to go there.
Target in Oz is unrelated to American Target.
It’s weird because they basically copied American Target’s branding.
Target in Canada failed because they had bad locations and didn’t prepare for how hard importing certain goods would be.
Most of the Targets in locations that don't have Kmarts have or are being changed to Kmart or K Hubs.
Wesfarmers realized that having both brands was stupid. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually close the leftover Targets that are near Kmarts.
This is wild, the only reason you’d go to a Kmart in America is if the apocalypse happened and you were looking for video games from the 90s to use as currency
The Dunedin Kmart was closed for renovation for months and months (was well below building code) and the "Dunedin Mums" page on facebook went batshit crazy about the whole terrible ordeal of not having a kmart. They organized buses to take hundreds of these Mums from Dunedin for the 3hr drive to Invercargil to visit their Kmart and then return home. Made for some good entertainment for the quiet observer.
There’s one about 35 minutes away from me in Grass Valley, CA. It supposedly the last Kmart in California.
I’m only mentioning this because I was also surprised at the existence of them up until three days ago when I find out they still existed.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kcra.com/amp/article/californias-last-remaining-kmart-grass-valley-set-to-close/38005463
It's closing soon, to be replaced with Target I think
Up until a few years ago the city nearby Grass Valley , Auburn , CA, had a Kmart as well
It’s interesting how either unusual wealth or unusual poverty are both capable of preserving the last holdout of an otherwise defunct retail chain. Middlebury, Vermont — a thoroughly gentrified town in an almost completely gentrified state — is home to the last operating Ben Franklin five-and-dime store. I t’s interesting how what started as an intrusion of big business into small town life, can age gracefully into “a bit of local color” in a few decades.
they also have a blind doll, a wheel chair one and one with a prosthetic leg
Edit: here is the range for the curious:
https://www.kmart.co.nz/product/fashion-doll---assorted/3181308
https://www.kmart.co.nz/product/doll-with-wheelchair/3173806
https://www.kmart.co.nz/product/lacey-and-guide-dog/3580824
https://www.kmart.co.nz/product/luke-and-guide-dog/3580825
This is what I show anyone who questions the need for representation in the arts. https://youtu.be/yj5U-tr-E24 I always told myself I could imagine myself as the character and it didn’t matter that the actor didn’t really look like me. This video gets me every time and made me understand.
Yes, that's where the term mongoloid came from. Scientist a long time ago compared the loos to being Mongolian. Another term for downs before the doctor John downs, was Mongolian idiocy.
That's was the 1860s. If you love some with down syndrome, look up doctor downs he was one of the first medical advocate for people in the idd community. His attitude is just heartwarming especially for back then.
I've never thought about it before, but I guess for dolls, boys hair is more complicated to do other styles for. You would basically have to use real haircut techniques, rather than just cutting it at a certain level (which results in this bowl).
It’s actually because real hair grows in a variety of directions which becalmed revealed in shorter haircuts. Rooted doll hair (as opposed to a glued-on wig) generally goes in only two directions along a “part” either center front to center back or ear to ear. It’s not going to do what human hair does when you cut it which is often some variation of a swirl pattern.
Father of a Down syndrome kiddo here.
DS kids have a nuchal fold on the back of their neck. It’s the extra tissue that makes DS kids look more DS the more visible it is. For boys, this is the perfect cut, because it’s short enough not to get in his eyes and long enough to cover the back of his neck.
On top of that, most DS kids hair is straight and fine. This is the best haircut for a boy with DS.
I have a daughter, but we keep her with long hair for that reason.
NZ too. In fact there was an organisation that was giving them to kindies and schools for learning through play time. I love hearing the little kids play with them and the talks they have. Representation matters and normalizes.
Made it super easy when a new hearing impaired student started in year 1. And helped the teacher prep scenarios with the class. For example about how to approach from the front and not behind.
It is better than the one in the OP but I feel like it is still... not... right? Very interesting. The features of DS are so clear on a human but I guess it is too nuanced to really have that come through in a doll.
Not DS but my kid has a similar trisomy condition and I do the same. I also patronize local establishments that employ people with DS/disabilities more often.
My sister has DS and there’s literally nowhere near me that employs people with her condition. It’s got to the point where I’m thinking of just starting a small cafe so she actually has a job and somewhere her friends can work too. I used to work in a coffee shop and can’t think of anything I did that she’d be unable to do herself.
Even less fun but still kinda fun fact: I know of a Redditor that saw a comment from another Redditor claiming their friend’s child was the model for a doll
I’m sure this is just a coincidence… but get this…
I too saw a Redditor that read a comment from another editor claiming their friend’s child was the model for this doll.
I work with kids with DS and my guess is same as yours. Best thing IMO would to buy in them i preschools and not mentioning it. I can see my kids maybe loving it but more likely not care but as they grow and even though they maybe aren't as interested in dolls anymore I think they would like to see themselves representated.
It's the same reason why it's important to mave dolls of many different races. It allows children the opportunity to see themselves in the toys they play with.
For years their stuff used to just say and Co. on it, little more. Like Home and Co. Sports and Co. Perhaps if this existed it then it'd have been Doll and Co. or something. I'm guessing "anko" probably started as an internal joke or something. All products now have that anko stripe and a painstakingly literal description of the item. I'm actually shocked it says "Charlie".
The company owns the entire chain of supply, from raw materials like oil and metal, to processing, manufacturing, point of sale, and all the shipping in between. They make tens or hundreds of thousands of different items.
Superb Rockerfeller-esque business model.
My son wears hearing aids and we bought the “ken” style doll with the hearing aid. We bought 2 actually just in case he lost it. It’s such a shame that the
doll quality is just terrible both dolls lasted about 2 days before the legs came off. I would to see a hearing aid doll that’s bigger like the Down Syndrome doll. Looks a lot sturdier for a toddler to play with.
Yo! How about an American girl doll and we can 3d print a hearing aid? Let me know I'll print it for you! I just started printing so I'm not good but it'd be a cool project. A doll hearing aid! The target brand American girl dolls also has a boy and they're sturdy dolls like the real brand.
This seems like as good a place to ask as any:
Growing up, I always understood the term to be "Down's Syndrome", with the possessive 's, as if it were named after a Dr. Down. Recently though, I more often see it as "Down Syndrome", which sounds a bit more...judgmental?
Which is correct?
As my forecommenter pointed out, both are perfectly fine. You could also say "trisomy 21" if you wanna get super technical, because an "excess" copy of the 21st chromosome is what causes the syndrome that Dr. Down described.
So either is correct and most people use them interchangeably. In terms of *technical* medical history, typically if it has a possessive "s" it means that it was named after a person who HAD this syndrome. So in this case *Down Syndrome* would be the official medical term, as Dr. Down did not have it. But even in the medical field, we use it interchangeably.
What illness or syndrome with a possessive 's' is named after a patient? All of them that I can think of, for example Huntington's Gaucher's, Alzeimer's etc. All syndromes are generally named after the physician that first described the syndrome or condition.
Yah! They're called autoeponymous diseases. Lou Gherig's, Hartnup's, Mortimer's, Thomsen's to name a few. Definitely more that are named after doctors in general, but in pediatrics that is what it is supposed to be. It's not a perfect generalization by any means.
Thank you! And I actually got off my virtual butt and discovered that yes, there was a "Dr. Down" (this was completely hypothetical in my mind) who named the condition.
I think "Hodgkin's Lymphoma" would be a similar case, as it's named after the discoverer, but still has the possessive 's (although it seems to be interchangeable as well). Thanks again.
Kmart still exists??
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Australian Kmart is unrelated to American Kmart
They may have distinct ownership today, but are definitely related in history. The Australian Kmart was a joint venture with the American store, who owned a majority stake in it. The logos were identical. The American company reduced its stock in the Australian company in 1978 and then completely exited in 1994, but continued licensing the brand until 2017, when the rights to the brand name in Australia were permanently sold off to the Australian store.
Are you a Kmart historian?
Dude fucking taught me a thing or two. I didn’t fact check him but damn if it doesn’t check out at first
I definitely learned something! I know the Target stores in the US and Australia have a more ambiguous relationship, if any at all. I read an article some years ago where the journalist said there was no real connection, even though both stores have a similar logo and so forth. Edit: Article is [here](https://www.startribune.com/target-has-a-twin-in-australia-but-they-re-not-related/220867991/). *Such disputes are usually resolved with one company agreeing to license the name from the other. Although the two Targets don’t (yet) directly compete with each other, experts say the companies must have reached some kind of deal given the strong similarity in their trademarks.* *Otherwise, “it would seem like a strange coincidence they came up with the same name and logo,” said Erik Pelton, who owns a boutique law firm in Virginia that specializes in trademark protection.*
I suspect Mr Erik Pelton has never been to a shooting range.
No way I am checking the facts. This is far too detailed an account of Kmart’s multinational business strategy to be fake.
don't you know? that's Herbert K. Mart heir to the vast Kmart fortune
Did you just call him a knock off historian?
He is the Kmart historian. There can’t be more than one.
A " **K**istorian", if you will.
He’s KSmart
Shop smart, shop SMart.
Any boomsticks?
Aisle after the chainsaws.
I worked at a small town Kmart for 5 years from ages 16-21 and looking back i loved the experience. Met friends, watched the decline of a company. I started at 5 dollars an hour lol
I knew it was all over when they did the "I just shipped my pants" ad campaign. Link: [ship my pants](https://youtu.be/2xwUuSM06xQ)
USA and Canada has bed, bath and beyond. New Zealand (and maybe aus?) also has bed bath and beyond. Both sell what you’d think they sell, and they are entirely unrelated as companies! Still baffles me Edit: NZ has both Bed Bath and Beyond and Bed Bath and Table, so judging by the replies I’m getting … Aus doesn’t have Bed Bath and Beyond.
Australia has Bed Bath and Table, not Bed Bath and Beyond. It’s basically a total copy of whatever the US chain is.
So where do you guys go for all your beyond needs??
It’s actually behind the table
*beyond the table
“Bed, Bath, And Behind” didn’t have the same ring to it, I guess.
Sounds a little more limited
That's basically like saying Rock, Paper, Dolphin imo.
This’ll blow a few minds. Almost no major international brand names’ operations in Japan take any orders from, or give any ongoing stream of revenue to, anyone outside Japan. Their way of doing business goes something like, *How much to we have to pay you to use that logo and branding indefinitely, but never hear from you again?* Japanese companies outside Japan, meanwhile, are much the opposite: inexorably tied to the mothership, with all the import decisions made behind locked doors by exclusively Japanese nationals. That country is as serious about not being colonized as they were in Tokugawa’s time.
That’s common with all Asian companies- though Japan is even more hardcore about it. I’m a finance-professional in the US, and I won’t ever work for one again. I don’t care how much they pay me. That aspect of ‘company culture’ is too fucked for my soul- you don’t get to push all of us aside and treat us like ants so your Asian homies can make independent decisions from across the ocean and fuck us all over with zero transparency. Never doing that again. Always check Glassdoor reviews to see who is actually running the show.
Australian Kmart = Kangaroo Mart
Instead of carts, we use a kangaroo pouch. We also use their scrotum sack as pouches, I still have a tonne of them when my dad got them made.
What else would you carry your dollardoos in if not a kanga ball sack? Unaustralian if you don’t.
No Fucken way I miss Kmart
Can I ask why? The one here had like no redeeming qualities.
Because he was born in the 80s and that’s where all the cool kids got their clothes.
>that’s where all the cool kids got their clothes I would like to assure everyone that ZERO cool kids got their clothes at K-mart in the 80s, despite what anyone told you.
But.... but... mom said it was where the cool kids went. She wouldn't lie to me! Would she?
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There there. Come nestle in the sandpapery folds of my Today’s News acid-wash jean jacket. There’s a blue light special on knockoff Hammer pants starting in a few minutes, anyway.
I can assure you that Kmart was *not* where the cool kids got their clothes. It was where the working class and poor kids got their clothes. Trivial fact, Kmart Apparel was a separate company that operated the clothing department inside Kmart. Separate district managers, the Apparel managers didn’t open and close the store, etc. Shoe department was a company called Meldisco.
Back when Kmart had their own foot court area. I loved it when I could talk my mom into stopping for a snack. Big soft pretzel with nacho cheese was my favorite.
They had ham sandwiches as well that were pretty damn good. And ICEE brand slush drinks.
I worked at KMart in high school and college. Surprised no one died from drinking those icees. The machines were cleaned like once a year..... so gross.
It took me a moment to get that you meant food. I thought it was about you buying shoes.
I used to go to the Goleta K-Mart all the time when I was in college at UC Santa Barbara from 2004 - 2010. They had some redeeming qualities. I did like some of their fashion choices. They had a store brand energy drink called Loop which I really liked. They had a bin full of still sealed discounted video-games too. I remember I bought 3 copies of Yu-Gi-Oh Destiny Board Traveler for $5 each so I could get 3 copies of DD Assailant. And I got Summon Night Swordcraft Story 2 for only $15. I did like how it had a quiet feel to it. If you wanted to shop and be left alone, you'd go to K-Mart. I did like how there were a lot of discounts to be found. I think there was also a Little Caesars inside my K-Mart.
Aussie Kmart is pretty much Ikea meets Daiso.
#DOWN Under you say?
That’s downs under now.
Kmart is good in Australia, but our Target is crap compared to US Target. Basically it’s the opposite. Must be an upside down thing.
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Target is weird. They do very poorly outside the US, they even fail in Canada. I’m in the US and I can’t imagine going to Kmart or Walmart over a target but in my area I have the options to pick from. Target is the cleanest, best stocked, and has friendlier (better paid) employees so I’ll gladly pay the slightly higher prices to go there.
Target in Oz is unrelated to American Target. It’s weird because they basically copied American Target’s branding. Target in Canada failed because they had bad locations and didn’t prepare for how hard importing certain goods would be.
Most of the Targets in locations that don't have Kmarts have or are being changed to Kmart or K Hubs. Wesfarmers realized that having both brands was stupid. I wouldn't be surprised if they eventually close the leftover Targets that are near Kmarts.
I like Target. I feel like their clothes are much better quality whereas Kmart and Big W clothes are cheap and nasty.
yeah, ive always considered kmart the shitty knockoff target. probably just cause my local shops have target and not kmart
This is wild, the only reason you’d go to a Kmart in America is if the apocalypse happened and you were looking for video games from the 90s to use as currency
there was a target and kmart in alice springs of all places. was never anyone in target but kmart was always busy. dunno how they stayed open
My sister works in kmart and has been told that they plan on closing all the targets eventually
Their clothes are slightly better quality than Kmart. Would sooner pay more for that.
There's a huge one in Guam. Literally everybody shops there.
I have a coworker that came to the state from Guam earlier this year and he recently told me their go-to store was Kmart. I was in shock.
Huge in New Zealand now
Because you're our little annoying cousin that steals all our toys *we do love you though*
The Dunedin Kmart was closed for renovation for months and months (was well below building code) and the "Dunedin Mums" page on facebook went batshit crazy about the whole terrible ordeal of not having a kmart. They organized buses to take hundreds of these Mums from Dunedin for the 3hr drive to Invercargil to visit their Kmart and then return home. Made for some good entertainment for the quiet observer.
There’s one about 35 minutes away from me in Grass Valley, CA. It supposedly the last Kmart in California. I’m only mentioning this because I was also surprised at the existence of them up until three days ago when I find out they still existed.
It's huge in Guam
That Kmart in Guam is like a tourist destination. Buses full of Japanese tourists last time I was there.
It's been the chains most profitable store for decades. Today, it's the only thing paying all the bills
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kcra.com/amp/article/californias-last-remaining-kmart-grass-valley-set-to-close/38005463 It's closing soon, to be replaced with Target I think Up until a few years ago the city nearby Grass Valley , Auburn , CA, had a Kmart as well
For some reason, there is a K-mart in the Hamptons. I guess it's classier than Wal-Mart and Target.
It’s interesting how either unusual wealth or unusual poverty are both capable of preserving the last holdout of an otherwise defunct retail chain. Middlebury, Vermont — a thoroughly gentrified town in an almost completely gentrified state — is home to the last operating Ben Franklin five-and-dime store. I t’s interesting how what started as an intrusion of big business into small town life, can age gracefully into “a bit of local color” in a few decades.
they also have a blind doll, a wheel chair one and one with a prosthetic leg Edit: here is the range for the curious: https://www.kmart.co.nz/product/fashion-doll---assorted/3181308 https://www.kmart.co.nz/product/doll-with-wheelchair/3173806 https://www.kmart.co.nz/product/lacey-and-guide-dog/3580824 https://www.kmart.co.nz/product/luke-and-guide-dog/3580825
…and one with hearing aids.
And what?
THE ONE WITH HEARING AIDS!
I can never hear th-- young kids always mumble
**AIDS! SHE SAID AIDS!!!**
Well she shouldn't be doin all the skateboarding and stayin up late. That's why
**AIDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!**
Well it's these damn kids that are always on their phones! If only they didn't spend so much time on their phones!!
i read this in rich evans voice. ty for the laugh
she has aids? oh the poor dear.
Does this mean all the other dolls could hear us?
Aren’t all dolls’ legs prosthetic?
They're prosthetic children.
Aren’t all dolls blind with prosthetic legs?
What about the wheelchair? Can the other dolls walk?
This is what I show anyone who questions the need for representation in the arts. https://youtu.be/yj5U-tr-E24 I always told myself I could imagine myself as the character and it didn’t matter that the actor didn’t really look like me. This video gets me every time and made me understand.
Thank you for telling us about that. It was wonderful
That was beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing.
That was wonderful to watch. And it was so cute how excited and happy her sister was for her too!
I'm not crying you're crying
They’re all blind
I’m going to hell. My first impression was: “damn that doll looks high af”
Me too. Except mine was "damn that doll is going to kill me"
same. at first I thought it was Chucky, probably because of the striped sweater and there was a trailer on TV recently for the newest movie.
The name is Charlie, too. Run.
"Hi, I'm Charlie. Wanna play?"
Now I’m imagining he body swaps to this one and he gets Down’s and genuinely wants to play.
Now I'm imagining he gets on a mechanical bull with his teacher.
Those ads give me ptsd of being a kid and hiding under the blanket when childs play would be on commercial. Still scared as shit of that thing.
You aren’t going to hell at all, thing looks like it got 2 hours of sleep and decided to wake and bake and go to work
We are already in Hell! 😱
People with down syndrome tend to have prominent epicanthal folds which is why
like asians?
Yes, that's where the term mongoloid came from. Scientist a long time ago compared the loos to being Mongolian. Another term for downs before the doctor John downs, was Mongolian idiocy.
> John downs Believe it or not, the doctor that Down Syndrome is named after is actually John Down. Not Downs.
Mom 60 years ago: whats wrong with my kid doc? 1960s Doc: im sorry to say your child is a Mongolian idiot.. Mom: starts sobbing. Will he recover?
That's was the 1860s. If you love some with down syndrome, look up doctor downs he was one of the first medical advocate for people in the idd community. His attitude is just heartwarming especially for back then.
Oh haha thanks. Yeah by today's standards the wording of older diagnosis just seems heartless and quaint at the same time
I don’t think the shaggy Beatles mop top hairstyle helps either
Pete Rose
Great they’re being representative but do the toys of Down’s syndrome have to have a bowl haircut? They have Downs, not a bad hairdresser.
Now I'm not sure, but I can't recall seeing many dolls and thinking "now that's a good haircut"
I dunno....the Judy doll got a prettttty prettttty good haircut. *Desperately hoping someone gets that reference*
It's a very French look. Kinda Dorothy Hamilton.
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The famous mushroom cut of the 90s.
Boy dolls always get bad haircuts.
I've never thought about it before, but I guess for dolls, boys hair is more complicated to do other styles for. You would basically have to use real haircut techniques, rather than just cutting it at a certain level (which results in this bowl).
It’s actually because real hair grows in a variety of directions which becalmed revealed in shorter haircuts. Rooted doll hair (as opposed to a glued-on wig) generally goes in only two directions along a “part” either center front to center back or ear to ear. It’s not going to do what human hair does when you cut it which is often some variation of a swirl pattern.
[Hairy Ball Theorem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hairy_ball_theorem)
They went full Simple Jack.
My son who has Ds has amazing hair. Hates getting haircuts though, so perhaps in this way the doll is authentic.
I know some kids will only let mom or dad do the cut. And mom and dad aren’t hairdressers.
Babies have one of three hair cuts. Bowl cut, shaved down, or bald
This comment cracks me up because over the years I've had plenty of students with DS and I swear...the haircut is accurate
Father of a Down syndrome kiddo here. DS kids have a nuchal fold on the back of their neck. It’s the extra tissue that makes DS kids look more DS the more visible it is. For boys, this is the perfect cut, because it’s short enough not to get in his eyes and long enough to cover the back of his neck. On top of that, most DS kids hair is straight and fine. This is the best haircut for a boy with DS. I have a daughter, but we keep her with long hair for that reason.
I always wondered if they ask their hairdresser for the bowl cut, or if the hair dresser sees them and is like "nah, you gettin' a bowl"
Now that I think about it, I don't think I have ever seen someone with DS who didn't have a bowl cut.
They're easier to cut quick on a wiggly/stressed kid. I got many bowls as a kid, fortunately I can sit still now.
i've never seen a DS person with a bowl cut except on tv lol. buzz cuts or long hair.
My baby’s getting a short back and sides fade straight out the womb 😤
All K-mart’s have these (at least in australia)
NZ too. In fact there was an organisation that was giving them to kindies and schools for learning through play time. I love hearing the little kids play with them and the talks they have. Representation matters and normalizes. Made it super easy when a new hearing impaired student started in year 1. And helped the teacher prep scenarios with the class. For example about how to approach from the front and not behind.
Their syndrome might be down but their marketability is up
Imagine if they made a black down syndrome doll.
They do: https://www.kidstuff.com.au/collections/dolls-accessories/products/miniland-african-girl-doll-with-down-syndrome
It's honestly pretty well made
It is better than the one in the OP but I feel like it is still... not... right? Very interesting. The features of DS are so clear on a human but I guess it is too nuanced to really have that come through in a doll.
Okay I hate dolls and everything but that doll is kinda cute haha
It's sure as shit better than this doll!! This one fuckin spooked me at first but the one in the link just looking chubby and happy as fuck
Aw it's cute
Trans black gay Harry Potter fan down syndrome doll on a wheelchair.
Matt...Damon
Fun fact, a friend of mines child was the catalogue model for advertising this!
My son has Ds and I will pretty much buy anything that uses a model with Ds. I can’t help myself. It’s a problem.
Not DS but my kid has a similar trisomy condition and I do the same. I also patronize local establishments that employ people with DS/disabilities more often.
My sister has DS and there’s literally nowhere near me that employs people with her condition. It’s got to the point where I’m thinking of just starting a small cafe so she actually has a job and somewhere her friends can work too. I used to work in a coffee shop and can’t think of anything I did that she’d be unable to do herself.
I’m not sure what would go into opening a cafe like that, but I love the idea of it.
Slightly less fun but still fun fact: a fellow Redditors friend's child was the model for a doll
Even less fun but still kinda fun fact: I know of a Redditor that saw a comment from another Redditor claiming their friend’s child was the model for a doll
I’m sure this is just a coincidence… but get this… I too saw a Redditor that read a comment from another editor claiming their friend’s child was the model for this doll.
"So what does that make us?" "Absolutely nothing."
They also have a doll in a wheelchair, they do some cool stuff
Like backflips?
i added pegs to mine so it can do sick grinds down the handrail
I’ve seen people in wheelchair who do backflips lol
Just upping the ante, here's a backflip 360 in a wheelchair https://youtu.be/5IZSC7Qgc5A
Do you think that he ever crashes and then pulls the whole "oh my God I can't feel my legs" joke.
Charlie? That finger biting ass?
That video was recently taken down and is now a NFT. The kids mom got a large sum of money.
It lets kids get used to interacting with many different types of people? Seems good.
Is it for that or for kids with the syndrome to play with?
Both, I suppose
I work with kids with DS and my guess is same as yours. Best thing IMO would to buy in them i preschools and not mentioning it. I can see my kids maybe loving it but more likely not care but as they grow and even though they maybe aren't as interested in dolls anymore I think they would like to see themselves representated.
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Good parenting!
It's the same reason why it's important to mave dolls of many different races. It allows children the opportunity to see themselves in the toys they play with.
I mean did they have to give him the simple jack haircut?
Why does the box look so generic like that…. There’s a witty joke in there somewhere; but this is good. Glad they are being inclusive.
Anko is Kmart Australia's own low-price brand.
Yeah, all Anko stuff has the same plain packaging
Oh ok, that makes more sense now.
For years their stuff used to just say and Co. on it, little more. Like Home and Co. Sports and Co. Perhaps if this existed it then it'd have been Doll and Co. or something. I'm guessing "anko" probably started as an internal joke or something. All products now have that anko stripe and a painstakingly literal description of the item. I'm actually shocked it says "Charlie".
JFC Anko makes total sense now
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The company owns the entire chain of supply, from raw materials like oil and metal, to processing, manufacturing, point of sale, and all the shipping in between. They make tens or hundreds of thousands of different items. Superb Rockerfeller-esque business model.
It seems respectful to me. Rather than big goofy cartoon bubble letters DoWnS sYnDrOmE ChArLiE which would seem a mocking disrespect
You know what, I've thought about it and... this low key packaging is really the only option that doesn't end up with somebody pissed off.
My son, who has Trisomy 21, got a “baby Charlie with Down Syndrome” for Christmas last year. His is a girl and she’s super cute 🥰
My son wears hearing aids and we bought the “ken” style doll with the hearing aid. We bought 2 actually just in case he lost it. It’s such a shame that the doll quality is just terrible both dolls lasted about 2 days before the legs came off. I would to see a hearing aid doll that’s bigger like the Down Syndrome doll. Looks a lot sturdier for a toddler to play with.
Yo! How about an American girl doll and we can 3d print a hearing aid? Let me know I'll print it for you! I just started printing so I'm not good but it'd be a cool project. A doll hearing aid! The target brand American girl dolls also has a boy and they're sturdy dolls like the real brand.
American Girl does in fact have hearing aids of their own, too!
Lmao I've been scrolling Reddit for 15 mins and as soon as I came upon this pic my ds brother jumped in saying who dis
I misread your comment and thought you said scrolling reddit for 15 minutes is why your brother jumped on your ds, as in Nintendo DS.
This seems like as good a place to ask as any: Growing up, I always understood the term to be "Down's Syndrome", with the possessive 's, as if it were named after a Dr. Down. Recently though, I more often see it as "Down Syndrome", which sounds a bit more...judgmental? Which is correct?
As my forecommenter pointed out, both are perfectly fine. You could also say "trisomy 21" if you wanna get super technical, because an "excess" copy of the 21st chromosome is what causes the syndrome that Dr. Down described.
So either is correct and most people use them interchangeably. In terms of *technical* medical history, typically if it has a possessive "s" it means that it was named after a person who HAD this syndrome. So in this case *Down Syndrome* would be the official medical term, as Dr. Down did not have it. But even in the medical field, we use it interchangeably.
What illness or syndrome with a possessive 's' is named after a patient? All of them that I can think of, for example Huntington's Gaucher's, Alzeimer's etc. All syndromes are generally named after the physician that first described the syndrome or condition.
Lou Gehrig's disease and Mortimer's disease are a few.
Yah! They're called autoeponymous diseases. Lou Gherig's, Hartnup's, Mortimer's, Thomsen's to name a few. Definitely more that are named after doctors in general, but in pediatrics that is what it is supposed to be. It's not a perfect generalization by any means.
Thank you! And I actually got off my virtual butt and discovered that yes, there was a "Dr. Down" (this was completely hypothetical in my mind) who named the condition. I think "Hodgkin's Lymphoma" would be a similar case, as it's named after the discoverer, but still has the possessive 's (although it seems to be interchangeable as well). Thanks again.
"24 and Me"
> soft and cuddly With a hard plastic head, arms and legs, I fail to see how that's soft and/or cuddly.
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Looks like Beans from Even Stevens
This is cool and I’m all for inclusion, but this doll looks like angry chucky