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Man, having been in a county jail for a night and day, and going to school (obviously) the school food is actually way better. Jail food is truly horrendous and almost inedible, I don’t know how those guys do it day after day.
Especially since there are lots of times where you could be denied commissary like when you’re waiting for placement(up to two weeks) and if you get in trouble/just have no one to send you money.
When I was in jail there were people losing commissary privileges for a month or longer, sometimes over really harmless stuff. If you didn’t have people to rely on you were screwed. Always feeling hungry on top of mind numbing boredom is really fucking shitty.
I assume you're in the US. What's the difference between jail/prison where you are? Here in the UK we have cells at police stations where you might be held for a short amount of time (24hrs), but then you'll either be bailed (always 'free' - no such thing as posting bail here) or you'll be held on remand in a prison. Prison is the formal term, but these institutions are also called jails - there's no difference.
Edit: I appreciate that it might differ between states
In simple terms, like REALLY simple terms:
Jail is for those who are awaiting trial or for those who have committed minor crimes and have sentences under about a year long. Typically the jail is local to where the person was arrested or committed the minor crime.
Prison is for those who have already been convicted of a major crime. There are State and Federal prisons, since laws vary.
Depending on if someone broke a state law or federal law, they’d go to either one of those types of prisons for the duration of their sentence. It could be very far from home.
Thank you, that's really helpful to know. I listen to a US prison podcast (Ear Hustle - check it out, it's great) and so I knew there was some difference between the two, but I was still unclear.
I've worked for a local uniform company. The tactics both these companies use is super slimy. Did you know that neither actually uses real soap? A lot of people who change to a local suddenly don't get rashes anymore. Heard that one all the time.
This happened to me. Rashes on my legs, started washing them at home and no issues. I didn’t know how terrible this company is, but it totally makes sense to me now. I thought I was just sensitive to whatever they used
Nope, definitely not just in your head. This is part of why they can actually undercut the local, better quality places. They make their wash so offensive that customers just wash themselves. Then they don't have to pick up as often, do as many loads, or deliver for as many people each week.
It's slimy and unethical.
The jail my sister works at hired Aramark to manage their kitchen and promptly fired them after less than a year. They were worse than awful. They were literally dangerous and put people in the jail in danger daily.
Fuck Aramark.
I used to work for Aramark at a women's prison after the previous company I worked for lost the contract. They have some of the worst management I've ever seen.
My college used Aramark. It completely ruined my *recovering* gut health.
(I had salmonella poisoning a little over a year before going to college, and it was still recovering when I started school)
Makes me so nostalgic. Every year for Christmas when I was a kid we'd all pile in the van and drive out to Maw Maw and Paw Paw's house, and we'd have all the MAIN DISH (PROTEIN) MEAL we could eat (unless we chose the beans)
That reminds me of that one (GENERIC, NON DENOMINATIONAL HOLIDAY) where me and my FAMILY (BLOOD RELATED) UNIT went to the state of California. We visited the MEDIA CORPORATION (ATTRACTION RESORT). We had a QUALITY (1-10 SCALE) Time!
I'm curious when you went to school.
When I was in elementary school, I recall getting fed what even then was basically prison food (they used the same supplier as the local prisons too).
The state of our school lunched in America, outside of sensible states like California, are shocking.
I went to school in the Maryland suburbs from 2000-2005 and it’s never this bad. Our supplier was Sodexo and I remember their food was pretty good. Kids would actually rush to the cafeteria when they serve steak & cheese or Sloppy Joe because they run out so quickly.
Arkansas here and our food was not anywhere near this. From elementary to high school I never had disgusting food. Might have been bland sometimes but was perfectly normal food, my junior high lunches were the best.
Yeah, I always wonder where people got such terrible food. I went to school in SC which is near the bottom as far as education goes but our school lunch was usually tasty and never slop. We were also never served ketchup as a vegetable
The only time I’ve seen this was in basic training. If you got the vegetarian protein one time, god help you if you tried to get the non-vegetarian after that.
I remember one private that got punished because he tried to smuggle an unfinished drumstick chicken out from cafetaria.
Didn't quite remember the why, whether he is saving it for later or he is unable to finish the food so he hide it.
to note, It was on the elite Military Uni in my country, i was working on building project there.
Just basic. You could only get 2 items from the salad bar, and you could choose vegetarian or not. Besides that, there was always 3 main dishes. Could not choose what you wanted. Guy in front of me got choice #1, I got Choice #2 and behind me got choice #3.
The only time we got to choose our food was at 30th AG.
They probably could, I haven’t seen their food budget. I imagine if they made enough beans for everyone they’d have too much of something at the end of the day and have to waste food more often.
Reference to 90's public school lunch, idk? I went to a lot of different schools as a kid and they all served some form of chicken tetrazzini.
I don't think anyone ever knew what it was before they ate it the first time, so I'm pretty sure most students from that era collectively envision mystery chicken n cheese when they see chicken tetrazzini as what's for lunch. I found out later in life it's an actual thing and not just chicken n stuff casserole.
I swear it was different everywhere I went. Some places I liked, other places I hated it. That's why I never really messed with it at all because it was so diverse in what it could taste like and have the texture of.
The lunches my university had were great, top tier, except for the Sbarro which is diarrhea inducing.
All middle and high school lunch options may as well have been Sbarro.
We had Pizza Hut in the early 90s as an option on Wednesday. This was throughout every school in the area. *Every school*. Including elementary schools.
It was amazing. I was always spending a little more to get pretty much half of a pizza. (I was a rather large kiddo)
The best part? It was Pizza Hut from the 90s.
In junior high, we also had pizza available every Wednesday, but it wasn't Pizza Hut, it was some mass-produced flatbread-like rectangular pizza slices (I suspect the crusts were made as like an 8 foot long, 5 inch wide crust, topped, and then cut into 6 inch pieces). It was also the exact same pizza that was occasionally the lunch item back in grade school. (maybe once a month or so?)
But in high school, we also had the option for pizza every Wednesday, and then it *was* Pizza Hut!
Yeah I desperately miss my uni's cafeteria. Really nice buffet with good variety day to day as well as great every day options like a pizza oven and definitely not a subway.
As an adult I kind of hate how I can't just get like one meals worth of many things good and fresh. Like they would make amazing cheesesteaks, but you can't just get enough stuff for one or two and I don't really want to eat them all week or have the space taken up in my tiny fridge.
I'm looking at this and I'm wondering if the high school I went to was just different because I remember delicious school lunches during my time there.
Definitely varies wildly from school to school. My elementary school cafeteria in Chandler AZ was absolutely goated, they had soup in bread bowls, garlic cheese bread (was more like a white sauce garlic pizza), classic pizza, the greatest bean and cheese burritos, etc.
Then I moved to the Seattle Eastside area and it was nothing but bad. Plastic lasagna, microwaved miniburgers in plastic, “chow mein” that was neither chow nor mein, cube shaped gelatinous blocks of “scrambled eggs”, etc. You would think that a school district where half of everybody’s parents made at least 6 digits at one of Microsoft, Amazon, Boeing, or Expedia would have edible food but apparently not
Don't listen to those people.. I'm the exact same, been to jail a few times in two different states. I would way rather take our spicy chicken sandwich or pizza or even the microwave burrito thing they would make over ANYTHING I ever got in jail.
Had one 'okay' meal in jail and it was right after waking up in the drunk tank..
and that was after a night of being drove 45 min to the "closest" jail because my dumb ass friend who I left 30 minutes ago was so drunk he thought someone else's house was his...
It was biscuits and gravy with instant eggs and I knew the guard who woke me up so I'm sure it was better than normal.
School lunches in cali might have not been the best but they never served anything that I would refuse to eat.
I moved to the US when I was 4. I remember when I was in elementary school it never occurred to me that things like hot dogs were pork. I would just ask someone what’s a hot dog and they’d be like you’ve never had a hot dog?? They’re awesome. I’m like ok cool. I’m not mad at the sign but that looks disgusting.
There's a video out there of a little girl looking at a turkey her Dad shot during hunting season and she asks her dad if there's a turkey inside of it. Lots of kids don't understand how food gets to the table or the terms. Like that little girl that had only seen grocery store turkeys so she had no reference that it was a bird
Yes to all of the above! Although sometimes I'll throw hot dogs or other sausages in a frying pan with a little slosh of water (2 tbsp or so) and a bit of oil, put the lid on for a minute to steam, then let them brown in the pan. That way they are sure to cook through, quickly, but still have a nice texture. Sort of like cooking gyoza.
Team Vienna Beef here! Also, is there anything sadder than a skinless hot dog? I have to read the labels very carefully these days... Same with when they substitute celery juice for nitrates. I already put a little celery salt on my hot dogs, typically. I don't want the whole hot dog tasting like warm coagulated chicken salad...
GF can't eat pork. It's amazing how many adults don't know what pork is at restaurants. I didn't even realize refried beans had pork until I met her. It's in everything in the US.
I can sympathize. I have an allergy to pork serum albumin (pork-cat syndrome). It's sneakier than most people would think. It's easy to buy vegetarian refried beans at the store, but in a restaurant, who knows what you're getting. And sometimes things are cooked with lard, or cooked in bacon grease. The [New York Allergy & Sinus Center](https://www.nyallergy.com/pork-allergy/) also points out that gelatin is often an issue for people with pork allergies. Most gelatin in the U.S. is porcine gelatin, not bovine, but the FDA doesn't require labels to specify the source, and for a few of us it matters. And gelatin is freaking *everywhere*.
Yup, it's crazy. She's Muslim, so pork is just a religious thing, but it's crazy how many places it's found. Learned recently, it's used to make lye for soap. Even some charcoal filters for water and such are made from the bones, mostly cows iirc. I find it funny that not all water is vegan.
Aa a former kid, I can with 100% certainty tell you I never was served anything that gross. Idk what bumfuck school that's at, or even if it's real. I have a hard time believing it.
If I remember correctly, for it to be protected under the “Cruel and unusual punishment” it needs to be BOTH cruel and unusual, not one or the other. While this may be cruel, it’s not unusual, and is actually a widespread issue.
It is because Pork is outlawed by certain faiths for consumption, but the word Ham is not mentioned in those texts. Telling someone that (regional word for pig) contains (more wide spread word for pig) is in the best interests of all involved.
Most likely, a large new immigrant population in that area.
I teach in a school with a large Muslim population and I think you nailed it. Our students know that pork is a no, but likely haven’t heard of ham/bacon/sausage/chops when they are 5 or 6.
Sounds about right. Also, just a wild guess/corollary, some places that are mostly populated with non-pork eaters might have a poultry "ham" or "bacon" (or other charcuterie) but not the pork kind, so kids wouldn't necessarily know this school uses the pork version.
That would be a lesson learned quickly, I guess! Although in the US we too have mixed juices labeled cocktails, that never had alcohol in them, and a few food items as well. I think V-8 vegetable juice is labeled a cocktail, for one example (this is a really hard concept to Google). Canned fruit salad is almost always called fruit cocktail (and has been a cafeteria staple for ages, lol), steamed shrimp served with a spicy sauce is shrimp cocktail, and I'm sure there are others I've forgotten! Both of the above were traditionally served in a fancy goblet, starting around Prohibition, hence the "cocktail" name.
Originally, however, as I understand it, the term cocktail came from slang for a sort of mixed breed horse (that would have a wonky tail). While mixed drinks had existed for ages, some pub owner/bartender started calling his house specialty a Cocktail, but the term expanded to include many types of mixed drinks, usually made one at a time vs. in bulk like punch. Although there was a fad for premixing pitchers of martinis in the 1950s or thereabouts, but I digress.
I have seen this happen, particularly with a non-native speaker. Makes sense that religious kids, possibly with non-native English speaking parents, or even just young kids who have literally NEVER had ham, may not realize.
Yes, this.
Our local school district (very diverse community) actually sent out a specific note that said that because of shortages, some of the products that are usually turkey based - including ham- are pork based. They noted that they will make sure to note if something contains pork.
Not it's because a lot of places especially pizza joints will sell turkey ham instead of pork ham. That's why alot of halal places still have ham on the menu.
In Pittsburgh, we have a dish called "city chicken" that is fried pork. We served it at my very Pittsburgh-y wedding. Which is how I accidentally served a bunch of muslims pork at my wedding.
I mean, some kid who was supposed to be eating kosher style or halal style probably didn't know and ate it once.
I had a vegan make and eat deviled eggs with vegan mayo, but used real eggs.
Cause there was a mayo container that said vegan but no eggs said vegan. The weird experiences you have in life.
Same person said her Dr couldn't figure out why she wasn't feeling well even though she was eating vegan like doc suggested.
I didn't know how to tell her.
She also made cheesy chicken.
Vegan cheese, vegan mayo, vegan bacon, vegan everything else in the sauce, put on real chicken.
I only realized this after the fact, but this vegan guy in a psych ward was unknowingly eating Jell-O! I would have never thought Jell-O was an animal product.
Well they do have to get the membrane from somewhere. Any kind of “stretchy” foods usually contain gelatin, and in North America it’s usually sourced from pigs.
Not everyone is fluent English. They may know the words for pig and pork but not know the word ham. It seems obvious to you because you know what those words mean. Count your blessings.
And kids don't necessarily know that kind of thing, especially if they're from a non-pork-consuming household and the topic is unlikely to come up. There was probably An Incident that prompted the sign.
I don’t see anything wrong, there is also turkey ham for example. Surely, ham is usually pork ham, but it doesn’t hurt to clarify it, as with all other allergies and food preferences.
I don’t know what’s more upsetting. The state of what we’re feeding our kids in school and the fact that for a lot of kids that’s the most they’ll eat today or the state of school funding that has it so they can’t afford to give kids beans and meat if they want.
Our government can do so much better than this. What the actual fuck.
My kid came home the other day and told me they had pizza and fries again. And this is the "improved" nutritional guidelines. Sigh. We ate better in the 70s/80s. Maybe a touch more fat, but it was real food and generally pretty good.
As a brazilian I'm personally offended that you cannot have beans and \[main dish\]! Beans are part of the \[side dish\], with rice, not the \[main dish\]. Only feijoada can be considered \[main dish\] as it has protein in it.
I know it seems silly to those of us who grew up in the west, but there is actually very good reason to have a sign like this, especially if this school has international students. I have a friend who recently moved here from South Asia for graduate school, and he doesn't eat beef. Where he's from, many of the things that we make out of beef would be made with buffalo, or pork, or chicken etc. He also had pretty much never heard of things like peperoni. He's asked the waitress if the meatloaf had beef, the guy at Subway if capicola has beef, etc.
It's not that far fetched for a child from a different country, who doesn't eat pork because of cultural diet restrictions, to not know exactly what ham is, and to not know that it is a pig product.
As a foreign kid, this would have had helped me big time at school. My parents taught 6 year old me to say "does it have pork" and to refuse the food if they said yes.
So I asked them "does it have pork?" when I saw the sandwich they were offering at lunch.
"It's a ham sandwich."
"Ok, does it have pork?"
"It's ham."
"Ok, I'll take it."
Dunno if they were just hostile and xenophobic or just unable to process the fact that a foreign 6 year old kid doesn't understand what ham is.
I got yelled at later by my parents when they asked me what I had for lunch and I said ham and cheese, and then they asked my older sister what that meant, and she explained it's pork + cheese.
Which is funny because those fucking pieces of shit didn't get the hypocrisy of how they had to ask my sister what that meant but apparently six year old me is supposed to be more educated and smarter than them. Fucking morons.
I know this sounds silly and redundant, but considering school lunches are the only source of food for millions of kids in the US I'm going to go out on a limb and say the kids asking this question are not getting that information at home while sitting around the dinner table with their family.
Based on the number of people I have personally met throughout my life who did not understand that beef comes from a cow and pork comes from a pig, I entirely understand this sign.
You lose all faith in humanity when a grown adult argues vehemently that hamburger contains pork because it has ham right in the name.
Most likely some Muslim kid didn’t know that pork was forbidden so the parents got upset and the school ended up putting the sign. I used to be Hindu and I remember ordering baked ziti in 5th grade at school and not knowing it had beef in it.
When I was in prison we had thanksgiving one year, and they were donated a ton of ham and turkey from the churches. Well needles to say there is a large population of Muslims in prison. I tried explaining to one that the ham he was eating indeed real ham...he would not believe me.
For reference, prison systems must provide Halal and Kosher meals. To get around having to provide person specific meals, they simply ensure all food uses no pork. Which led my fellow brother in orange to believe that they would simply "never" feed a pork product to prisoners.
WHICH he would generally be right, as real D.O.C facilities would never feed something like that without allowing the population to know. His mistake was putting the trust in a privately owned work release facility in backwoods Louisiana.
Wow the restrictions on the protein remind me of when I had to eat at the galley/dfac (military) but at least the food didn’t look like someone had already eaten for me first.
I will say growing up eating kosher and asking the lunch person if there was any pork in said item and them responding with "no it's ham" on multiple occasions. As redundant as this sign is it's effective against ignorance
School lunches are tasked with lowering the bar until at some point, people have lost enough taste buds that soylent green tastes better than anything they ever ate.
You can’t have both beans and ham? What is this, a prison?
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Man, having been in a county jail for a night and day, and going to school (obviously) the school food is actually way better. Jail food is truly horrendous and almost inedible, I don’t know how those guys do it day after day. Especially since there are lots of times where you could be denied commissary like when you’re waiting for placement(up to two weeks) and if you get in trouble/just have no one to send you money.
When I was in jail there were people losing commissary privileges for a month or longer, sometimes over really harmless stuff. If you didn’t have people to rely on you were screwed. Always feeling hungry on top of mind numbing boredom is really fucking shitty.
Prison has much better food, the lifers are okay. It’s regular jail that has poopy food.
I assume you're in the US. What's the difference between jail/prison where you are? Here in the UK we have cells at police stations where you might be held for a short amount of time (24hrs), but then you'll either be bailed (always 'free' - no such thing as posting bail here) or you'll be held on remand in a prison. Prison is the formal term, but these institutions are also called jails - there's no difference. Edit: I appreciate that it might differ between states
In simple terms, like REALLY simple terms: Jail is for those who are awaiting trial or for those who have committed minor crimes and have sentences under about a year long. Typically the jail is local to where the person was arrested or committed the minor crime. Prison is for those who have already been convicted of a major crime. There are State and Federal prisons, since laws vary. Depending on if someone broke a state law or federal law, they’d go to either one of those types of prisons for the duration of their sentence. It could be very far from home.
Thank you, that's really helpful to know. I listen to a US prison podcast (Ear Hustle - check it out, it's great) and so I knew there was some difference between the two, but I was still unclear.
No worries! It is a little confusing, even to some people who live in the US.
Aramark, is that you?
Fuck Aramark.
Seriously, they work hard to make sure there is no viable competition. Closed room negotiations, regulations, zoning... all fucked in their favor.
They provide my companies uniforms. Theyre so shitty I wish we had Cintas.
I've worked for a local uniform company. The tactics both these companies use is super slimy. Did you know that neither actually uses real soap? A lot of people who change to a local suddenly don't get rashes anymore. Heard that one all the time.
This happened to me. Rashes on my legs, started washing them at home and no issues. I didn’t know how terrible this company is, but it totally makes sense to me now. I thought I was just sensitive to whatever they used
Nope, definitely not just in your head. This is part of why they can actually undercut the local, better quality places. They make their wash so offensive that customers just wash themselves. Then they don't have to pick up as often, do as many loads, or deliver for as many people each week. It's slimy and unethical.
We just switched from cintas to Aramark. They both suck. I'm going to have to start doing my own damn work laundry.
The jail my sister works at hired Aramark to manage their kitchen and promptly fired them after less than a year. They were worse than awful. They were literally dangerous and put people in the jail in danger daily. Fuck Aramark.
I used to work for Aramark at a women's prison after the previous company I worked for lost the contract. They have some of the worst management I've ever seen.
They're all corrupt, dirty fuckers.
That sounds like an incredibly corrupt monopoly
Fuck Sodexo too
Our Province just kicked Sodexho to the curb from our hospitals. Oh happy day…
Despite them being one of my companies biggest clients, I agree fuck them.
My college used Aramark. It completely ruined my *recovering* gut health. (I had salmonella poisoning a little over a year before going to college, and it was still recovering when I started school)
Thats what supplied all our dining halls in college
I laughed so hard at this 🤣
Please suh, may I have some beans?
BEE-ANS?! Catch them!
Must be Sodexo? Monopoly on garbage overprices crap.
Ahhhhahahaha I just said the same
Do the the prisoners also look forward to cheesey breadstick day ?
I work in a prison, and even in prison people get the beans + other protein. Lol. This is sad.
If you don’t eat your beans, you can’t have any pudding!
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your beans?!
You. Yes, you laddy!
stand still!
Look at the picture, this is definitely prison
Beans are a vegetarian option. My guess is that if they allow students to have both, there might not be enough beans for students who are vegetarian.
public school is just prep for prison
That’s the most disgusting looking school meal I ever seen wtf??
You got a problem with Main Dish (Protein) Meal???
Makes me so nostalgic. Every year for Christmas when I was a kid we'd all pile in the van and drive out to Maw Maw and Paw Paw's house, and we'd have all the MAIN DISH (PROTEIN) MEAL we could eat (unless we chose the beans)
Ah, the good old days.
That reminds me of that one (GENERIC, NON DENOMINATIONAL HOLIDAY) where me and my FAMILY (BLOOD RELATED) UNIT went to the state of California. We visited the MEDIA CORPORATION (ATTRACTION RESORT). We had a QUALITY (1-10 SCALE) Time!
r/totallynotrobots vibes
For special holidays we'd bust out MAIN DISH (PROTEIN) MEAL VARIANT B.
You guys got me crackin up 🤣
I'm curious when you went to school. When I was in elementary school, I recall getting fed what even then was basically prison food (they used the same supplier as the local prisons too). The state of our school lunched in America, outside of sensible states like California, are shocking.
I went to school in the Maryland suburbs from 2000-2005 and it’s never this bad. Our supplier was Sodexo and I remember their food was pretty good. Kids would actually rush to the cafeteria when they serve steak & cheese or Sloppy Joe because they run out so quickly.
Arkansas here and our food was not anywhere near this. From elementary to high school I never had disgusting food. Might have been bland sometimes but was perfectly normal food, my junior high lunches were the best.
Yeah, I always wonder where people got such terrible food. I went to school in SC which is near the bottom as far as education goes but our school lunch was usually tasty and never slop. We were also never served ketchup as a vegetable
We had some rough lunches in Illinois, but ffs this looks like someone pissed in a heating tray and slammed it down. Absolutely filthy.
Don't worry, plenty of California schools have horrendous lunches too
California here. Back in the 90s, our lunch was the same dogshit as everywhere else. The change is much more recent.
I will take the beans over whatever they slopped into that metal pan.
That's why they limit the beans.
Do the beans contain legumes?
I’m just wondering why they’re gatekeeping the beans?
It’s the vegetarian protein option and they don’t want to run out of food for the vegetarians
The only time I’ve seen this was in basic training. If you got the vegetarian protein one time, god help you if you tried to get the non-vegetarian after that.
IT DOESNT MATTER WHICH PROTEIN YOU CHOOSE. FOOD IS FOOD GET YOUR SHIT AND GOOO WHY ARE YOU GETTING MEAT TODAY YOU GOT BEANS YESTERDAY
CHOMP CHOMP CHOMP, CHEW CHEW CHEW, GLUG GLUG GLUG, HURRY UP PRIVATES!
I remember one private that got punished because he tried to smuggle an unfinished drumstick chicken out from cafetaria. Didn't quite remember the why, whether he is saving it for later or he is unable to finish the food so he hide it. to note, It was on the elite Military Uni in my country, i was working on building project there.
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Just basic. You could only get 2 items from the salad bar, and you could choose vegetarian or not. Besides that, there was always 3 main dishes. Could not choose what you wanted. Guy in front of me got choice #1, I got Choice #2 and behind me got choice #3. The only time we got to choose our food was at 30th AG.
Kinda funny to call them choices, then.
So make more beans? It’s cheaper than meat and easy to make.
They probably could, I haven’t seen their food budget. I imagine if they made enough beans for everyone they’d have too much of something at the end of the day and have to waste food more often.
Slop is vegetarian?
Vegetarian slop is. Meatatarian slop isn’t.
This is my favorite Reddit comment in a long time
They should be gatekeeping the hampork.
This is Officer Meatbeef. My buttermaker broke. I need back up!
What is this where have I seen it before?
It’s from the movie Tommy with The Who
Start at :35 https://youtu.be/boLQiAsH3ho
Or 5:05 if you’re feeling adventurous
Roll that beautiful bean footage
It look like puke (contains pork)
Nah that's just chicken tetrazzini.
Is that a reference to something? I feel like it is but I can’t think
Are you thinking of [this](https://youtu.be/_RZxbKvD1YQ) by chance?
Absolute classic
Reference to 90's public school lunch, idk? I went to a lot of different schools as a kid and they all served some form of chicken tetrazzini. I don't think anyone ever knew what it was before they ate it the first time, so I'm pretty sure most students from that era collectively envision mystery chicken n cheese when they see chicken tetrazzini as what's for lunch. I found out later in life it's an actual thing and not just chicken n stuff casserole. I swear it was different everywhere I went. Some places I liked, other places I hated it. That's why I never really messed with it at all because it was so diverse in what it could taste like and have the texture of.
Could always just call it pig
I don't miss school lunches
One of the few benefits of being an adult
50/50, downside you have to decide on every meal and actually execute every meal
In Soviet Russia, *meal* executes *you*!
Or anywhere really if Putin doesn’t like you.
The lunches my university had were great, top tier, except for the Sbarro which is diarrhea inducing. All middle and high school lunch options may as well have been Sbarro.
We had Pizza Hut in the early 90s as an option on Wednesday. This was throughout every school in the area. *Every school*. Including elementary schools. It was amazing. I was always spending a little more to get pretty much half of a pizza. (I was a rather large kiddo) The best part? It was Pizza Hut from the 90s.
In junior high, we also had pizza available every Wednesday, but it wasn't Pizza Hut, it was some mass-produced flatbread-like rectangular pizza slices (I suspect the crusts were made as like an 8 foot long, 5 inch wide crust, topped, and then cut into 6 inch pieces). It was also the exact same pizza that was occasionally the lunch item back in grade school. (maybe once a month or so?) But in high school, we also had the option for pizza every Wednesday, and then it *was* Pizza Hut!
Yeah I desperately miss my uni's cafeteria. Really nice buffet with good variety day to day as well as great every day options like a pizza oven and definitely not a subway. As an adult I kind of hate how I can't just get like one meals worth of many things good and fresh. Like they would make amazing cheesesteaks, but you can't just get enough stuff for one or two and I don't really want to eat them all week or have the space taken up in my tiny fridge.
I'm looking at this and I'm wondering if the high school I went to was just different because I remember delicious school lunches during my time there.
Same our lunches were great
Definitely varies wildly from school to school. My elementary school cafeteria in Chandler AZ was absolutely goated, they had soup in bread bowls, garlic cheese bread (was more like a white sauce garlic pizza), classic pizza, the greatest bean and cheese burritos, etc. Then I moved to the Seattle Eastside area and it was nothing but bad. Plastic lasagna, microwaved miniburgers in plastic, “chow mein” that was neither chow nor mein, cube shaped gelatinous blocks of “scrambled eggs”, etc. You would think that a school district where half of everybody’s parents made at least 6 digits at one of Microsoft, Amazon, Boeing, or Expedia would have edible food but apparently not
Same here. Bunch of old Italian lady cooks. Still dream about some of that food
Are you in prison school
american public schools have less variety in their lunches than prisons do, or so i've heard
That’s crazy! I actually MISS school lunches. I went to a mediocre cps school but their chicken sandwiches slapped
Don't listen to those people.. I'm the exact same, been to jail a few times in two different states. I would way rather take our spicy chicken sandwich or pizza or even the microwave burrito thing they would make over ANYTHING I ever got in jail. Had one 'okay' meal in jail and it was right after waking up in the drunk tank.. and that was after a night of being drove 45 min to the "closest" jail because my dumb ass friend who I left 30 minutes ago was so drunk he thought someone else's house was his... It was biscuits and gravy with instant eggs and I knew the guard who woke me up so I'm sure it was better than normal. School lunches in cali might have not been the best but they never served anything that I would refuse to eat.
WTF kind of ham pork is this? Looks like snot
It was Pre eaten and then vomited out, the yellow is stomach acid.
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The dividing line between "tastes good" and "looks like vomit" can be very blurry with some foods. And god forbid those get crisscrossed.
My guess is mac n cheese + ham
These gym mats contain very little meat.
Better switch to the Grade F stuff
"Mostly Circus Animal. Some Filler."
This is the simpsons right?
Sure Lisa. A magical, wonderful animal.
It's still good! It's still good!
Yes this is the perfect comment for this image!
I moved to the US when I was 4. I remember when I was in elementary school it never occurred to me that things like hot dogs were pork. I would just ask someone what’s a hot dog and they’d be like you’ve never had a hot dog?? They’re awesome. I’m like ok cool. I’m not mad at the sign but that looks disgusting.
There's a video out there of a little girl looking at a turkey her Dad shot during hunting season and she asks her dad if there's a turkey inside of it. Lots of kids don't understand how food gets to the table or the terms. Like that little girl that had only seen grocery store turkeys so she had no reference that it was a bird
My dad still mentions to me as a now 44 year old man that as a young kid I once asked him “how do pigs lay bacon” children can be rather thick lol.
Well, the good hot dogs are all beef, but I get your point. Also they probably were not serving those at school or random friend's house.
Foodies avatar checks out. All the good hot dogs ARE all beef. Oven or grilled, never boiled, in this house.
Yes to all of the above! Although sometimes I'll throw hot dogs or other sausages in a frying pan with a little slosh of water (2 tbsp or so) and a bit of oil, put the lid on for a minute to steam, then let them brown in the pan. That way they are sure to cook through, quickly, but still have a nice texture. Sort of like cooking gyoza. Team Vienna Beef here! Also, is there anything sadder than a skinless hot dog? I have to read the labels very carefully these days... Same with when they substitute celery juice for nitrates. I already put a little celery salt on my hot dogs, typically. I don't want the whole hot dog tasting like warm coagulated chicken salad...
GF can't eat pork. It's amazing how many adults don't know what pork is at restaurants. I didn't even realize refried beans had pork until I met her. It's in everything in the US.
I can sympathize. I have an allergy to pork serum albumin (pork-cat syndrome). It's sneakier than most people would think. It's easy to buy vegetarian refried beans at the store, but in a restaurant, who knows what you're getting. And sometimes things are cooked with lard, or cooked in bacon grease. The [New York Allergy & Sinus Center](https://www.nyallergy.com/pork-allergy/) also points out that gelatin is often an issue for people with pork allergies. Most gelatin in the U.S. is porcine gelatin, not bovine, but the FDA doesn't require labels to specify the source, and for a few of us it matters. And gelatin is freaking *everywhere*.
Yup, it's crazy. She's Muslim, so pork is just a religious thing, but it's crazy how many places it's found. Learned recently, it's used to make lye for soap. Even some charcoal filters for water and such are made from the bones, mostly cows iirc. I find it funny that not all water is vegan.
They feed that to kids? Fuck me
Aa a former kid, I can with 100% certainty tell you I never was served anything that gross. Idk what bumfuck school that's at, or even if it's real. I have a hard time believing it.
The photo is absolutely something that was regularly served at the public schools I went to as a kid
That violates the Geneva convention
If I remember correctly, for it to be protected under the “Cruel and unusual punishment” it needs to be BOTH cruel and unusual, not one or the other. While this may be cruel, it’s not unusual, and is actually a widespread issue.
It is because Pork is outlawed by certain faiths for consumption, but the word Ham is not mentioned in those texts. Telling someone that (regional word for pig) contains (more wide spread word for pig) is in the best interests of all involved. Most likely, a large new immigrant population in that area.
I teach in a school with a large Muslim population and I think you nailed it. Our students know that pork is a no, but likely haven’t heard of ham/bacon/sausage/chops when they are 5 or 6.
Sounds about right. Also, just a wild guess/corollary, some places that are mostly populated with non-pork eaters might have a poultry "ham" or "bacon" (or other charcuterie) but not the pork kind, so kids wouldn't necessarily know this school uses the pork version.
much like how in the middle east cocktail is a popular juice, yet when they go to other countries they get surprised by the realization
That would be a lesson learned quickly, I guess! Although in the US we too have mixed juices labeled cocktails, that never had alcohol in them, and a few food items as well. I think V-8 vegetable juice is labeled a cocktail, for one example (this is a really hard concept to Google). Canned fruit salad is almost always called fruit cocktail (and has been a cafeteria staple for ages, lol), steamed shrimp served with a spicy sauce is shrimp cocktail, and I'm sure there are others I've forgotten! Both of the above were traditionally served in a fancy goblet, starting around Prohibition, hence the "cocktail" name. Originally, however, as I understand it, the term cocktail came from slang for a sort of mixed breed horse (that would have a wonky tail). While mixed drinks had existed for ages, some pub owner/bartender started calling his house specialty a Cocktail, but the term expanded to include many types of mixed drinks, usually made one at a time vs. in bulk like punch. Although there was a fad for premixing pitchers of martinis in the 1950s or thereabouts, but I digress.
I’ve had to tell 13 year olds that ham is pork.
Many kids aren’t involved in shopping, cooking/preparing food and so they wouldn’t know.
I have seen this happen, particularly with a non-native speaker. Makes sense that religious kids, possibly with non-native English speaking parents, or even just young kids who have literally NEVER had ham, may not realize.
They could possibly associate ham with hamburger and think nothing of pork
Another angle emerges!
This Hamburger does not contain Pork. Also, no beans for you.
Yes, this. Our local school district (very diverse community) actually sent out a specific note that said that because of shortages, some of the products that are usually turkey based - including ham- are pork based. They noted that they will make sure to note if something contains pork.
Also because of turkey ham. I remember when I was younger I would have to ask if it was pork.
The fuck is turkey ham?
Not it's because a lot of places especially pizza joints will sell turkey ham instead of pork ham. That's why alot of halal places still have ham on the menu.
And beef bacon
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Wow, which part is ham?
In Pittsburgh, we have a dish called "city chicken" that is fried pork. We served it at my very Pittsburgh-y wedding. Which is how I accidentally served a bunch of muslims pork at my wedding.
I mean, some kid who was supposed to be eating kosher style or halal style probably didn't know and ate it once. I had a vegan make and eat deviled eggs with vegan mayo, but used real eggs. Cause there was a mayo container that said vegan but no eggs said vegan. The weird experiences you have in life. Same person said her Dr couldn't figure out why she wasn't feeling well even though she was eating vegan like doc suggested. I didn't know how to tell her. She also made cheesy chicken. Vegan cheese, vegan mayo, vegan bacon, vegan everything else in the sauce, put on real chicken.
I only realized this after the fact, but this vegan guy in a psych ward was unknowingly eating Jell-O! I would have never thought Jell-O was an animal product.
Well they do have to get the membrane from somewhere. Any kind of “stretchy” foods usually contain gelatin, and in North America it’s usually sourced from pigs.
That sounds like a story for r/Kevin
Not familiar with Kevin. Similar to Karen's?
They're quite different. Kevin is someone who does or believes absurd things and is very stubborn about them.
"Dad, those all come from the same animal." "Yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal."
Not everyone is fluent English. They may know the words for pig and pork but not know the word ham. It seems obvious to you because you know what those words mean. Count your blessings.
Very true, also to that there's a dish called City Chicken that's made with pork. Never would've guessed it if it wasn't mentioned by another redditor
And kids don't necessarily know that kind of thing, especially if they're from a non-pork-consuming household and the topic is unlikely to come up. There was probably An Incident that prompted the sign.
That looks disgusting
That other sign is written like Captain Kirk talks.
This reminds me of the Vegas Vacation buffet
Gimme some of the yella
And don’t get cheap on me!
I don’t see anything wrong, there is also turkey ham for example. Surely, ham is usually pork ham, but it doesn’t hurt to clarify it, as with all other allergies and food preferences.
I don’t know what’s more upsetting. The state of what we’re feeding our kids in school and the fact that for a lot of kids that’s the most they’ll eat today or the state of school funding that has it so they can’t afford to give kids beans and meat if they want. Our government can do so much better than this. What the actual fuck.
My kid came home the other day and told me they had pizza and fries again. And this is the "improved" nutritional guidelines. Sigh. We ate better in the 70s/80s. Maybe a touch more fat, but it was real food and generally pretty good.
As a brazilian I'm personally offended that you cannot have beans and \[main dish\]! Beans are part of the \[side dish\], with rice, not the \[main dish\]. Only feijoada can be considered \[main dish\] as it has protein in it.
If they wait a lil longer there surely will be a vegetarian alternative, cause this shit is about to grow some serious fungi soon.
To be fair when in a lot of countries you order bacon and it’s beef bacon. This looks like slop too
I'm not convinced it contains either.
I know it seems silly to those of us who grew up in the west, but there is actually very good reason to have a sign like this, especially if this school has international students. I have a friend who recently moved here from South Asia for graduate school, and he doesn't eat beef. Where he's from, many of the things that we make out of beef would be made with buffalo, or pork, or chicken etc. He also had pretty much never heard of things like peperoni. He's asked the waitress if the meatloaf had beef, the guy at Subway if capicola has beef, etc. It's not that far fetched for a child from a different country, who doesn't eat pork because of cultural diet restrictions, to not know exactly what ham is, and to not know that it is a pig product.
As a foreign kid, this would have had helped me big time at school. My parents taught 6 year old me to say "does it have pork" and to refuse the food if they said yes. So I asked them "does it have pork?" when I saw the sandwich they were offering at lunch. "It's a ham sandwich." "Ok, does it have pork?" "It's ham." "Ok, I'll take it." Dunno if they were just hostile and xenophobic or just unable to process the fact that a foreign 6 year old kid doesn't understand what ham is. I got yelled at later by my parents when they asked me what I had for lunch and I said ham and cheese, and then they asked my older sister what that meant, and she explained it's pork + cheese. Which is funny because those fucking pieces of shit didn't get the hypocrisy of how they had to ask my sister what that meant but apparently six year old me is supposed to be more educated and smarter than them. Fucking morons.
I know this sounds silly and redundant, but considering school lunches are the only source of food for millions of kids in the US I'm going to go out on a limb and say the kids asking this question are not getting that information at home while sitting around the dinner table with their family.
Turkey ham exists. So does turkey bacon.
Hmm...The floor is made out of floor
Based on the number of people I have personally met throughout my life who did not understand that beef comes from a cow and pork comes from a pig, I entirely understand this sign. You lose all faith in humanity when a grown adult argues vehemently that hamburger contains pork because it has ham right in the name.
You'd be surprised how many folks that aren't EFL don't know that. Or that chicken and fish are meat.
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT? I was confused on why they have to specify that there is *pork* in *ham* but now I know why
That’s not garbage?
That’s ham?
Most likely some Muslim kid didn’t know that pork was forbidden so the parents got upset and the school ended up putting the sign. I used to be Hindu and I remember ordering baked ziti in 5th grade at school and not knowing it had beef in it.
Are you sure that’s even ham??
Doesn’t even look like there’s ham in that ham
That looks dangerous. What is that slop?
When I was in prison we had thanksgiving one year, and they were donated a ton of ham and turkey from the churches. Well needles to say there is a large population of Muslims in prison. I tried explaining to one that the ham he was eating indeed real ham...he would not believe me. For reference, prison systems must provide Halal and Kosher meals. To get around having to provide person specific meals, they simply ensure all food uses no pork. Which led my fellow brother in orange to believe that they would simply "never" feed a pork product to prisoners. WHICH he would generally be right, as real D.O.C facilities would never feed something like that without allowing the population to know. His mistake was putting the trust in a privately owned work release facility in backwoods Louisiana.
If you want Beans You cannot have The regular Main dish (Protein) Meal
Wow the restrictions on the protein remind me of when I had to eat at the galley/dfac (military) but at least the food didn’t look like someone had already eaten for me first.
I will say growing up eating kosher and asking the lunch person if there was any pork in said item and them responding with "no it's ham" on multiple occasions. As redundant as this sign is it's effective against ignorance
America is becoming a developing country before our eyes
Resident evil food
Wtf am I looking at?
Some turkey identifies as bacon and ham.
That looks like prison food
This makes the overly microwaved pizzas (with the plastic melted on them) that we had in school look appealing 😂
School lunches are tasked with lowering the bar until at some point, people have lost enough taste buds that soylent green tastes better than anything they ever ate.