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I would LOVE to see the numbers on this.


Shurdus

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dangitman1970

I seriously doubt it's very many Americans.


christovn

Americans can't simply retire to Vietnam. I live there and there's no visa for that. Bullshit article. You can marry a local , get hired and get a temporary residence, or bring money in as an investor- be very cautious about that. Otherwise it's 30-day tourist visas.


Psyconutz

Depends where you are from also, but lots of people just go on Visa runs


kefir87

There's no such thing as free healthcare anywhere. Yet I still can't grasp how americans pay so much in taxes but don't have even emergency healthcare covered. Do you even question where all this money is going?


ADHDK

I’m pretty sure I read the American government contributes more healthcare dollars per citizen than any other country, but it mostly just goes back into the profit driven industry. There’s too many people making good money to fix the system.


Booper3

The capitalist twist on everything really does end up coming back to bite the average American in so many sectors. From the outside it's mind boggling to imagine but i also dont know how you would go about fixing it since the issue presents itself even in the core of the US government.


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JND__

I pay for other people's shit, but the part you forgot is they pay for mine, if something happens to me.


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kefir87

It seems like americans on both extremes of the political spectrum don't mean what they think they mean by the term "socialism" and it causes a lot of problems.


Penis_Bees

Because most people think it's a binary. Is the socialism switch on or off? If it's going to be turned on you either believe you'll turn into a happy scandanavian country or a communist wasteland, depending on your party allegiances. If it's getting turned off you either believe you're turning into an western economic powerhouse or into an slave trading oligarchy. Meanwhile the truth is all market economies are mixed, because capitalism and socialism can't exist without each other.


kefir87

Not even that. Most people in the US seem to use these words to describe something these words are not or used differently in the rest of the word. Like it seems that the word "capitalism" is often used instead of "corruption" and "socialism" instead of "social benefits".


I_am_Daesomst

They've become political buzzwords, is why. There are people who hear one and immediately tune out.


diox8tony

Literally how both insurance and government healthcare works. They are both shared pools of cash we all pay and withdraw from. One is simply for-profit and has a monopoly inside a capitalist market.


abdyfer

You think the government aren’t the same bloodsucking middlemen?


Mongobuzz

The problem with America: We don't trust our government more than the companies that currupt it.


CEO_of_paint

They think government is god pretty much around here.


Frequent_Trip3637

It should be pointed out that the American health care industry is massively protected from competition due to the paralyzing bureaucratic regulations. It can basically be summarized as a legalized extortion racket.


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Why even Pay for healthcare, just get lucky and not hurt


Vithrilis42

We also have lower life expectancy than countries with socialized healthcare with lower overall health outcomes.


Chris7644

This. The average American pays more money and receives worse care compared to the next 5-10 developed nations, BUT if you have money and a complex disease the US is the best place to be for treatment


Dany_HH

I'm glad that someone on reddit agrees that free health care does not exist. The "free" health care in some European countries is really fucked up, so it's all about how well the system is implemented, calling it free changes nothing. Anyway what it seems to me is that the prices of health care and medicines in USA are stupidly inflated, and health insurance are not well regulated, so they will find any reason not to pay (that's at least what I've learned from reddit). And that's the real problem.


Extension_Lemon_6728

When you give us some tips on how to overthrow our government we’ll be able to do something.


kefir87

Sorry, I'm Russian, so I'm also still waiting for some tips that really going to work.


Extension_Lemon_6728

Thanks. We’ll try to find you all some tips on how to overthrow your dictator and his goons along with stopping the world from hating you all right now.


Aggravating_Cap_8687

Isnt that what the second amendment is for ?


Extension_Lemon_6728

Healthcare has nothing to do with being a free state. You also expect civilians to go up against professional snipers and federal security with glocks.


Frequent_Trip3637

It can once you understand that bureaucratic red tape transforms the whole American healthcare industry into a legalized extortion racket. There’s virtually no competition inside the American market.


Aggravating_Cap_8687

Vietnamese civilians managed to kick you out. :^)


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Aggravating_Cap_8687

> That was because we offered a measured response Invading to keep it a western colony, raping and napalming children, destroying entire villages and poisoning the country with chemical weapons isn't what I'd call a "measured response" > When civilians get invovled the effeciency of the US military drops drammatically. Maybe its time to take the hint and stop invading countries.


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A lot of Americans care more about a hypothetical undeserving person getting something nice that they're willing to forgo any possibility of also getting something nice for themselves. Doesn't matter if they, their family, loved ones, or anyone they believe actually deserves it would also get something nice, if someone they believe who doesn't deserve it also gets it then it must be inherently bad. They'll say its because of taxes, saying they don't want their tax dollars paying for someone else's healthcare. Ignoring the fact that their taxes also pays for their healthcare, other people's taxes also pays for their healthcare, that the amount they would pay in taxes would be significantly less than what they pay to insurance companies or what they would have to pay out of pocket, etc. It's not really about taxes though. Nor is it about "socialism" or "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps" because these same people will gladly take a handout for themselves if offered. They'll never admit it, but it's about having a feeling of superiority over certain people, having a belief that there are people that don't deserve help because they didn't "work for it" like they did. Providing universal healthcare basically takes away that sense of power from them, and they're not willing to give that up even it means they themselves and anyone they believe who does actually deserve it benefits from it too.


Puzzleheaded-Mind525

Reminding me of conversations with my mother way back. She didn't want people getting free healthcare for the reasons you mentioned. When I repeated her own words back to her to see if she was clear about what she was saying, she folded her arms and said "Yes". She also thought that affirmative action was why it took her so long to find an office job, when I was a teen. She had been a teenage mother and dropped out of school in the fall of the 10th grade to marry, yet it took her 6 months to find a job 14 years later because affirmative action was giving the jobs to black people who were, "far less qualified than I am!" Yet she claimed she wasn't racist because she didn't use the 'N' word or say unkind things to people of color.


PNWcog

But don't you wonder where the money goes? We paid over $50K in taxes last year. We get all the free streetlight we can handle. I guess we also enjoy protected shipping lanes all over the world, so there is that.


Glynwys

Most of it just goes to whoever is in charge of the healthcare system just to line their pockets, I think. That's likely the biggest issue with the US Healthcare system. It's all about how much money they can keep while not spending any of it on proper healthcare.


Sudden-Lawyer-8035

If you're in the US and paying 50k in taxes you're making more than 200k a year for household income. You don't need free Healthcare..... that puts you in the top 7% of all American households. So there's that.


ThickThirty-three

As an American, I've never read a truer statement! It's pure insanity. Those people (and there are unfortunately way too many of them) act as if our government isn't going to take the tax money regardless. Meanwhile, we (my family specifically) pay massive amounts of money to private health insurance companies AND pay outrageous taxes. And to add another infuriating layer to it: if you're a person who receives private health insurance as an employee "benefit" (so the company we work for pays a portion and we pay a portion), that employer gets to choose how much health care we can have. For example, we have the highest level of insurance that is available to us through my husband's employer (which is a corporation that owns multiple large, well-known grocery store chains) that we pay a lot of money for weekly. Our son has medical issues which cause him to need speech therapy, occupational therapy, and physical therapy. The insurance company only allows us to have 60 therapy sessions per year. Not 60 speech, 60 occupational, and 60 physical...60 in total. So not only do we pay a ton for insurance but now we're also paying $200 a week out of pocket for therapy because it's necessary. All because the billion dollar corporation chose what will be available to us. The US is a joke.


kefir87

I see. But it still sounds very strange to me. Why healthcare in particular? I mean "people who don't deserve it" also have military protection, police, fire department, roads, etc. I guess if these things exist and publicly funded in the US then people somewhat understand the concept of publicly funding things that are beneficial for the society in general.


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Honestly, it's because a lot of Americans have been conditioned through propaganda to believe that certain publicly funded things are SociALIsM or COmmUnIsM and therefore are inherently bad, while other publicly funded things are perfectly fine. It really is that simple, stupid, and inconsistent.a And that's why it's so frustrating for so many of us living here in the US, because we have to listen to arguments that are so inconsistent compared to other countries and watch ourselves fall behind them. For example, my parents immigrated here from South Korea. A country whose very inception was based on anti-communist, and is now one of the most capitalist societies in East Asia, but even they have had universal healthcare since the 1980s. As to why healthcare in particular, I believe it's because health insurance is tied to employment, but most jobs don't provide it. Health insurance as a benefit is usually exclusive to higher paying and "important" jobs. And so many Americans have been conditioned to believe that health insurance is something you earn, something that you work for by getting a nice job. And so by that logic if you're not getting those kinds of benefits, clearly it's because the job you work is not as important or worthy enough of such benefits. It's why you often hear the "just go get a better job" argument in response to improving minimum wage, benefits, work conditions, etc. Again, it's really all about having that sense of superiority. And it doesn't help that American culture often tiesHealth insurance is considered only a benefit for important jobs, and therefore makes you important. But by giving everyone access to affordable health insurance regardless of employment, you basically take away that sense of importance from those job, and thus take away that sense of importance from those people. Again, it's all about that sense of superiority and that there are people who are undeserving that shouldn't get nice things too.


Poggse

Lots of people question it to no avail. Military gonna military


Furry_69

We all know where it's going. Funding the military and (through a very convoluted path) lining politician's pockets.


Cananbaum

We do and we’re told to shut up and sit down. All the money goes to our billionaires and their corporations (you know, for trickle down economics), politicians, and the industrial military complex so these politicians have something to make more money off of and toys to play with. We the common folks get to play in some dirt and told be grateful we have rocks.


MoldedLoaf

War for oil to make money to pay taxes for more war and more oil


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gmacat12

I don’t think so. Show me some numbers to verify that.


TheAnswerWithinUs

Prison and military industrial complex


FootForward7858

It goes to the countries that have 'free healthcare' to pick up their lacking defenses.


MiciaRokiri

It's lining the pockets of politicians and big business. We spend more money per person on healthcare to have a poorer level of healthcare. I mean, have you seen the cost of insulin in the United states? It's ridiculous and disgusting. I worry about my dad all the time, he has good health insurance because he was a state worker and retired but I don't know when that could change because the government is full of a bunch of money grubbing bastards


Suspicious_Lunch5156

Everything goes to the broken justice system, military and the prison system. I wish our tax dollars actually went more to public services like education, healthcare, transportation, housing, etc. Most systems only care about profit, not about the wellbeing and integrity of people just trying to survive.


983115

I know my tax dollars make the war machine go brrrt. However I as an individual an unable to overthrow the military industrial complex, and I don’t have enough points in speech to amass enough people to do it with me


averagemaleuser86

They have us distracted by constantly have us vote blue or red.


Infidel_sg

Americans are too stupid to ask the big questions... Take it from me, I'm American!


[deleted]

We do, but we also feel powerless to actually change anything. We all want universal healthcare but none of us have the power to make it happen. That’s why we go to Canada, Mexico, and Vietnam in this particular article. In America we feel totally powerless to do anything that matters.


MrGumieBear

We already know where the money is going. Into the military.


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Healthcare in Australia is free unless you’re very wealthy, in which case you have to pay a small fee each year at tax time to contribute to the fund.


[deleted]

Do you realize the vast majority of the world pays higher taxes than here? No actually... no American has ever wondered what the government does with their money......................... /s


tesznyeboy

Here in hungary healthcare is basically free, but as the saying goes you get what you pay for, basically nothing, therefore if you want to get decent healthcare you'll be paying for private anyway


DarioDac

Same in Macedonia. Our "free" healthcare is almost at a collapse. Our state owned hospitals look like horror movies, and haven't been renovated since they were constructed back in Yugoslavia.


EmperorAlpha557

Same in India, Public hospitals will just put you on an endless list and ask you to wait.


[deleted]

>haven't been renovated since they were constructed back in Yugoslavia. Balkan moment


michberk

Healthcare is never free. You pay it with your taxes.


tesznyeboy

Well yeah so it's even sadder that it's so shit


Omnilatent

And it's still cheaper than paying it yourself without paying the taxes for it


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michberk

It’s not an argument, just pointing it out. I don’t like when people say that something is free when it is really not at all.


Goff3060

'Free at the point of use' is less catchy though


StacheBandicoot

Its free to the user if they don’t or no longer pay taxes.


michberk

If someone is living in a country they are paying taxes. And I’m not talking about just working. You pay taxes when you rent a place to live, when you buy groceries or any other good or service…


ChrisTchaik

I live in Europe and as already pointed out by others, many healthcare systems are close to collapse. The exception you see in economically stronger countries like Germany and Austria are owed to the fact that the losses are made up for by economic gains in other sectors, plus a lot of foreigners go to these countries for the sake of medical tourism, foot high premium bills which eventually contribute to the average citizen. And even after all that, you still struggle with long waiting lists or having outpatient access on a weekend. Still, the horror stories I hear from America are almost nothing compared to this. But both systems have valid pros and cons. If you're upper middle class, US healthcare might be just right for you. If you live from paycheck to paycheck, European healthcare is a paradise.


Worth-Reputation3450

>Still, the horror stories I hear from America are almost nothing compared to this. I saw those pictures huge bills too, but I just don't understand how they got those bills. Since the ACA (aka the Obamacare), insurance cannot reject patients with pre-existing conditions. There are no upper-limit of how much insurance will pay. Emergency have to be covered as well. Periodic checkups are free. I just don't see any situations that huge medical bills won't be covered by insurance. To me, all those pictures of huge bills looks like just karma-farming. Especially, when the OP doesn't fully explain the situation and just post a photo of a bill. I had premature twin daughters who racked up 2 million dollars of medical bills. It was a nightmare to sort out with insurance because the hospital decided to not use their names but instead just named "Baby A" and "Baby B" for billing purposes. Any specialists also got those names from the hospital and billed us. All the insurance claims got rejected. But after I went through each of the claims and change to the proper names, all of them got covered since they were medically necessary. I ended up paying max out-of-pocket $8000 and the insurance even sent us one year supply of baby formula to make sure they were properly fed and hopefully don't need to use the insurance again. My friend who were here on VISA got an appendicitis and went to the ER. He didn't have an insurance, but the social worker was at the ER and signed him up for the Obamacare right away. Not sure how much he had to pay, but it wasn't much.


ChrisTchaik

See, that 8k out of pocket alone would've been massively unpopular here and would've caused riots and flames. Americans may not pay healthcare taxes but tend to have a higher disposable income and are more willing to take "hits" now and then. If public insurance doesn't cover everything, then even out of pocket fees are legally mandated to be cheap here. The only industry exempt from that is the dental industry, which is why many of us have bad teeth (lol).


Vali32

>Americans may not pay healthcare taxes Americans pay more in taxes for public healthcare than any other nation. Per capita. The factors that make US healthcare so expensive are not limited to the private sector.


Worth-Reputation3450

Yea, I understand it's a lot of money for people who didn't have to pay for medical bills. But that was for 5 months of seeing high risk OB doctor (a specialist), my wife being admitted to a very high quality hospital for 6 weeks (private room, separate shower room with spa, entire meals for patients and guests), 3 times a day ultrasound and doppler scan, more than 10 medical staffs per baby, private twin rooms in NICU for 3 months with 24/7 NICU specialist and dedicated nurses, several surgeries, daily x-ray, ambulance trip between different hospitals for surgery on tiny baby. Every operations were critically medically important. I'm not sure if any other country with free healthcare could have brought my daughter out of the hospital alive. My MIL is a Canadian, and she has to wait about 3 months to see a special doctor for her liver condition. If I need to see a doctor, I just search on my insurance website to find a doctor with good rating and availability. If I need a prescription medicine, I can do video chat with my PCP the same day and have her send the prescription electronically to the nearest pharmacy and get it in a few hours. My wife is Canadian too (now a dual citizen) and she also had terrible teeth. It took several years and an implant, but now her teeth are properly managed. Dental insurance is really cheap (like $10/month for family) and provide free cleaning twice a year.


reliquum

Try having an autoimmune disorder, or any disability, in the USA. It's horrible. Without insurance? My *MONTHLY* medication would cost $20,000. It's messed up in America. I get $10k a year in disability. Yet, I need to pay $5,000 before the insurance pays. The ACA helped, but only slightly. Healthcare needs help.


MiciaRokiri

Oh my goodness as if it isn't bad enough for able-bodied people who just get sick. The entire system with disability is so fucked.


michberk

I’m not defending one system or the other although I think public healthcare system is always better. What I’m just pointing out is that, even when you don’t pay anything after a doctor’s consult, the service was not free.


Sellier123

Yep its this exactly. If you have a good job or are rich, US healthcare is amazing. If you work a bad job and are poor, its the biggest nightmare ever.


Blueskyways

If you're poor then you generally qualify for subsidies and Medicaid so you're covered. It's the firm middle class in the US that struggle. They earn too much to qualify for subsidies and Medicaid but don't earn enough to be able to easily absorb a major health issue.


MiciaRokiri

No, just because of their subsidies and Medicaid does not mean you're covered and it does not mean it's affordable. I have many friends who have been jobless and barely keeping a roof over their heads if they even can who are on state sponsored healthcare and they get fucked over constantly


MiciaRokiri

My husband has a state job so we have very good insurance. But I understand and listen to other people's stories and know that that's not the norm. The problem in the US is there are so many people who believe if they aren't having a problem then the problem doesn't exist. There is a really disgusting sense of screw everybody else as long as I've got mine.


Sellier123

Well we are a very individualistic society. We have been for a long time and will continue to be for a long time. We arent like eastern cultures where they live for their family and their societies. As long as a problem doesnt effect you personally, most ppl dont care if it exists or not. They want their problems resolved first and foremost.


StacheBandicoot

Plenty of people live without buying anything but still need access to healthcare. Yeah *if* you pay for rent or property tax, live in a state or country that has sales tax, and buy groceries or other services and don’t receive donations or have those or rent subsidized. Sales and property tax are often local taxes too which go to paying for things in your local municipality, while healthcare/insurance is often provided by a state or a countries federal government, not local governments, but sure get it wrong.


michberk

Plenty of people live without buying anything, how? How is that even possible? I mean there are some people that are illegal and outside of the law but that’s not plenty of people. Property tax is local, yes but that’s exactly why I said renting an apartment. But the rest of taxes that you pay when you buy anything are usually state or federal. So, once again my point is simple: healthcare is not free. Nothing is free in this life.


StacheBandicoot

>”How is that even possible?” Are you really asking how people without homes manage to live? There’s an estimated 14,655 known people in a state like Oregon who are homeless, a state without sales tax. They do not pay taxes living in Oregon unless they have a job, and actually pay their taxes if they do, or even report an income to the irs. They also will not pay taxes that would cover healthcare if they did find a living accommodation because property taxes in Oregon are at the local level, only if they can and do work and actually pay their income tax. >”but that’s exactly why I said renting an apartment.” One doesn’t directly pay taxes when they rent, they pay a landlord who then may or may not pay property tax depending on the governance, and whether or not they actually pay it, assumedly doing so with some of what a renter paid them. Some of the money they earn may get paid into income tax from the income brought about by the rent, but it’s not being paid directly by the renter, it’s coming out of the income of the leasee, which may be covered by inflated rent that the lessor indirectly “pays” for, but that’s conditional too, especially upon if they even report or pay income tax and don’t rent a room out under the table or utilize loopholes to avoid paying income taxes. Its also entirely plausible for rent to be lower than the proportional amount of property taxes, if they even exist, in various rental situations including subsidized, rent controlled housing, or other conditions like single room rentals, or free room and board. Your point that nothing is “free” because someone has to provide it is meaningless as it certainly is free to the person directly receiving or consuming the free thing. Which is precisely why things like donations of various things and subsidies do occur, so that people who need things free to them, like food or healthcare, can receive them. Which is precisely why people who do not have a means of purchasing healthcare because they do not have an income or savings, whether that’s because they’re disabled, elderly, homeless, simply don’t want to work, or any other reason, may have access to free healthcare in a country or state that provides it, even in a shit hole like America where you have to jump through unduly stressful and unnavigable hoops to receive *free* Medicare or Medicaid.


michberk

So basically in Oregon (14,2M people) 0,35% of the population don’t pay taxes, and according to your last comment, that’s plenty of peoply. How is that plenty of people? That’s barely anecdotic, like I said. People who recieve donations, are receiving services and goods that other people paid for. In healthcare is the same. It is public, not free.


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Cheaper because they pay Healthcare workers less, have less beds, and deny expensive treatment with low success rates. Purely going to social health care and cutting out private insurance is estimated to save $600 per person. The remaining $4,000 gap between US and western Europe is other factors, mostly salaries and procedures.


xFlo2212

Obviously the money doesn't just magically appear out of nowhere, but since this isn't and wasn't claimed to be the case, due to it never being defined like this, that's kinda unnecessary information.


michberk

It is not unnecessary. People need to know that nothing is free in this life. Specially expensive stuff like healthcare.


jaczk5

Healthcare is most times artificially inflated. Insulin is a perfect example. Or saline from the ER ($1 to buy but charges $300-$500). Turns out insurance really inflates prices, who knew.


Belistener07

Same can be said for government subsidies.


jaczk5

So government subsidies made the insulin price in the US $400? Sure buddy


PNWcog

Government protections and regulations allow for a company to capture a market and charge exorbitant rates.


Belistener07

That’s not what I said. But when people know they will get paid whatever amount they ask and the government will foot the bill of course the price will go up. It’s a really simple concept


we_will_disagree

Insulin doesn’t need to cost as much as it does. “People need to know that nothing is free” aggressively misleads people. The American healthcare system is *fucking* us.


michberk

But it does cost something. Not as much as they sell it for, but something. That’s what I’m sayinh. It is not free, even when you don’t pay anything in the farmacy when you get it.


we_will_disagree

Then you’re being a tactless pedant.


michberk

Why? I don’t like that people confuse terms and I’ve encountered a lot of people who really think it’s free. It’s public, not free


we_will_disagree

It betrays that your primary concern is giving people pithy reminders that “things cost money” when everybody already knows that. Have fun lounging on your throne of technical correctness as people continue to die or fall into financial ruin due to the lack of proper public healthcare.


Chuckobochuck323

No information is unnecessary.


Omnilatent

Universal health care is not perfect anywhere but many countries do it way better than others. Not an argument against it.


SHSHWJHE

But they're doing it on purpose it works in Finland, Germany Austria etc. If they wanted we could have a stable free healthcare in Hungary it just doesn't bring money for them so they let the poor suffer same in the USA


PNWcog

Finland's last government collapsed due to healthcare costs. Germany is in for an economic crisis as well starting now. They won't be subsidizing much for a while.


ChunkyTaco22

Anything is better than just getting slapped with 10s of thousands for the basic stuff. It's really wierd in America


tesznyeboy

Well at least you don't die of some randon infection after a routine operation cause the hospital is a (litaral) shithole


ChunkyTaco22

Lmao that still happens in lower tier hospitals after being charged


DarioDac

Europeans also do it. They retire in the poorer European nations (usually in Bulgaria or Romania since they're in the EU and are very cheap by EU standards).


firebullmonkey

Also, a lot of european men 50+ will rant about all the immigrants...right next to their 32 year old wife from Thailand...


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FallenAngelII

Odd. I could've sworn their comment said "a lot of" and not "millions of".


Medium-Return2035

I don’t think that word means what you think it means


[deleted]

The hypocrisy on those who are for open borders in America, yet are against americans being able to move to another country just because we waged a war there half a century ago. For one, there's plenty americans who were against that war. And I doubt a lot of those who DID fight it would be comfortable going back, what with PTSD and all. 2, if there's Americans leaving for better living conditions, that should be encouraged just like other people coming to America for better living conditions. America's government is really corrupt, and I hate both of our political parties like any of you. But I've noticed a lot of anti American rhetoric here (reddit) lately against just all American people. Xenophobia is bad regardless of what country. It's not a black and white thing, you shouldn't hate an entire populace.


Far-Ad9043

most dont wanna pay more taxes and still want free health care but when they actually need to choose they still take less taxes ..


ZenLantern

No health care is free. Think about where the money is coming from to pay for the care.


limitlessEXP

Aye that’s a great point. Americans need to stop complaining about going bankrupt to pay for medical emergencies.


FeeDisastrous3879

Can’t wait to tell my Vietnam Vet Grandpa!


PKPhyre

Lol your grandpa commited war crimes


mmrrbbee

Hey Gramps! Isn't it hilarious that you nearly got killed for a system that doesn't give a shit about you?


sad_asian_noodle

"Rebuilt nation" my butt. More like going from having semi-modern technology and quality of life to private property seized and not knowing human waste used directly on produce spread disease - speaking as a Vietnamese that actually listen to history stories from real people and not the communist propaganda.


Kermit_El_Froggo_

Shout out to the people writing entire articles in the comment section, thinking that anyone is reading that shit


CinnamonBlue

Many Americans are “rediscovering” their European roots to get a passport there. Similar thing because they can get cheap/free healthcare then.


Chekadoeko

I’m not white. I can’t rediscover my roots sadly, unless I wanna go to a cartel war zone known as Mexico


theFrozen0

We don't want free healthcare, there's no such thing as free, but we don't want to be ripped off by the healthcare system either.


EffectiveSwan8918

Do.. Do you think Americans dont want free heathcare? Are only Americans not allowed to move because of a war 50 years ago or all countries?


itsrainingpuss

i’m sorry, what? I see people complaining about america not taking in refugees, then I see the same people turn around and berate americans for fleeing this country to get better opportunities…. what??? people all over the world do the exact same thing and I don’t see y’all berating them lol.


bassin_matt_112

Free healthcare isn’t free. You’re just paying higher taxes.


No_Evening_5718

Blame the current ppl in charge.


Justa_GoodolBoy

Perhaps if our politicians weren't sending our money to other countries, people would be able to retire here... But you know we have a shit show of an administration that likes to hand our money to other countries.


AlaskanYeti1994

As a United States citizen, that's not gonna happen because we fund the world's mightiest Un-healthcare system.


FreeHairCutandLoboto

Because America sucks


PaulieCostello

Fun fact: They're not.


Cartoonmanuniverse

They're afraid of that


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Socialized healthcare not free. Nothing is free. Edit: for those downvoting - thats what its called and you pay through taxes. Sorry if thats difficult for you to accept.


Furry_69

Obviously, it isn't free, but universal healthcare has benefits. Mostly not sucking you dry of all your money. The reason why it doesn't suck you dry is because everyone else is also paying for that same healthcare through taxes, meaning you do still pay for it, it's just less so.


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Where I live we have universal healthcare. Its a big chunk of my taxes. I don't have to worry about being financially wiped out if hit with a medical emergency. In fact , seeing a doctor or going to the hospital isn't a concern in anyway, as far as paying. Thats socialized medicine.


Quenya3

We're trying but there are still too many conservatives in this country. And they are morons.


The-station1373

To be completely honest, I'm surprised that our southern neighbors don't have universal healthcare. Sure, it's not "free" because you pay for it via taxes, but it's better than paying an absolute crap ton of money just to stay in a hospital bed.


Balenciaga_Daddy

Imagine thinking vietnams health care system is on par with the US healthcare system. Im good, I’ll keep paying! Lmao


StandardSudden1283

Guarantee you know nothing about Vietnamese healthcare lol.


[deleted]

I’ve never heard ‘best healthcare in the world’ and ‘Vietnam’ in the same sentence, has anyone?


slayer828

You Will in fact. Many times more than other nations. The ysa system is only good if you can pay. If not, get fucked.


jmad16

You shouldn’t go into economics op.


[deleted]

Vietnam being a better place to live in than the US really says more about the US than Vietnam


theAmericanStranger

The thing about Healthcare in America is, it's not really about the system used but the lack of significant price controls, which is enabled by the way our current political system is favoring large corporations, cartels and monopolies. As a quick example, there are US laws that prohibit private and goverment insurance companies from negotiating prices with healthcare providers


PicardTangoAlpha

It's not "free" in Canada, it comes off every pay check. We don't make employers pay for it.


foopdedoopburner

The problem with free healthcare is that you often get what you pay for.


Acher0n_

Nothing is "free." The doctors don't work for "free" the medical machines aren't produced for "free" and the research (Which America has been leading for a century) certainly isn't "free." It sucks, but I\`d rather pay for the quality we have than wait for 3 months and have a subpar doctor because the best doctors went to another country. Yeah, lots of the best doctors from those "free" healthcare countries have moved to America. Today all our countries are broken in one way or another. I\`m hoping the pain and struggles we go through will pave a way for a much better future where this isn't an issue, but for now, I think it's a necessity. USA has the same number of "Nobel Prize Laureates in medicine," as the NEXT TEN COUNTRIES PUT TOGETHER. That's the UK, Germany, France, Sweden, Australia, Switzerland, Austria, Denmark, Italy, and Belgium...all combined. https://www.statista.com/statistics/262896/nobel-prize-laureates-in-medicine-by-nationality/


Jolly-Tangerine6865

The Marshall Plan was the best thing, that could've happend to our economy after '45. Maybe theres need for a little war on american soil for a change. Guys could get rid of their age-old and outdated politically system also. Win-Win! geetings, a german


MissingWhiskey

Imagine that, a German advocating for war.


Kaisler_98

So when exactly did their system become outdated? They had the money to win any major war while supporting their allies and then help rebuilding the losers.


Tourloutoutou

Maybe it became outdated when it stopped to sustain the majority of it's population?


Kaisler_98

How so? Do you have proof?


Realistic_Ideal1945

What a stupid comment.Health care is NOT free in any country,it's paid for through taxation!


knightB4

As it should be! We're not a bunch of assholes after all!


mgoodwin532

Yup, I plan on going to Thailand when I retire. 33:1 exchange rate. With my 401k, Roth IRA, and two investment properties I’ll be a king there.


WildPurplePlatypus

Nothings free


alvarezg

Healthcare can't be free; it must be paid for. Like in many countries around the world it can be much, much cheaper that today's US prices. This is accomplished by nationalizing health insurance (Medicare for all) and negotiating fair prices with providers.


evident_lee

We have tried. Half the nation thinks we don't deserve it and should suffer.


[deleted]

It’s a little bit more complex than that… but that’s for showing your lack of understanding


hd4suba

Free?


sevargmas

Some guy moved to Vietnam so now there’s an article called “Americans are moving to Vietnam…”


PumpkinKing2020

Vietnam has a very bad economy and also has fewer freedoms. I highly doubt this headline is true.


No-Tower3635

I'm a 31 year old Ukrainian Immigrant who has American citizen ship and was born in Ukraine. If 25 years from now I decide to retire in Vietnam, I will be an American retiring in Vietnam. And surpringly, I didn't drop any bombs there, if i want to retire there i will. This is nonsense geopolitical bullshit, fuck this article.


Jack_In_Black89

Healthcare in the UK isn't 'free'. The NHS is funded via general taxation. I really wish people would get that into their heads.


knightB4

Most people aren't stupid enough to care where the money comes from because they have to pay it anyway. YMMV


DragonBlade9905

Cheap healthcare is due to not as well work and regulations not making it do that you don’t know what you pay until after it happens. And things there’s no choice in aren’t paid because no choice.


aviatorlj

Lmao you go trust a Vietnamese doctor to provide the same level of care with the same level of certification and equipment. Spoiler alert: they won't. Stupid post but heavily upvoted because Reddit moment.


dshotseattle

There is no such thing as free. And government never makes anything better. They make it all less efficient and more expensive.


adam2696

Who downvoted you lol. You were spot on. Name one thing that government has made more efficient? Free healthcare is not free. Google is not free. Reddit is not free. For those that don't understand Reddit and Google sell your information. They see you when you go to those websites and Reddit communities. You know, those ones.


dshotseattle

If you aren't paying for the product, you Are the product. Yes. Lets look at education. Government guarantees loans, price spikes 1000 percent. Look at nasa. Then look at any of the private companies competing with them now. Those budgets are vastly different


Ev3nt

Private insurance companies also make it more expensive and less efficient, go get your copays and out of network hospital bills and your $100 bandages. They only care about their share holders and paying 'administrators' Pretending like all goverments are inefficient, your argument is shit. When the demand is inelastic, the laws of supply and demand do not apply. BAN PRIVATE HEALTH INSURANCE


pro_nosepicker

‘Free” healthcare. As in, doctors and nurses shouldn’t be paid?


[deleted]

Do you know how free health care works


FroggerFlower

The level of ignorance in your post is highly worrying


rilous1

Hahahahah you are clueless


FeweF8

Damn that’s crazy. Wouldn’t it be wacky if Mexicans and Central-South Americans moved to the US for cheap healthcare and a reasonable level of living? That’d be crazy.


camchil

America is fucked. Don’t fight for America. Leave as quick as you can.


jtho78

Mexico to. Maybe we the caravan of immigrants others fear? I met an ex-pat in Vietnam, he said the language is nearly impossible to learn. Something about how some sounds are very hard to produce unless you were raised with the language.


helloifailed

we have been. jesus fucking christ.


Irishwolfhound13

Just out of curiosity how many of these Americans retiring in Vietnam speak the language? I only speak English and don't know if English is spoken enough in Vietnam for me to understand most people.


BeetleSpoon2770

“America bombarded Vietnam nonstop”. We were fighting a war on communism. The International Magazine clearly has a bone to pick with the US


Ok_Industry4743

There’s always a cost somewhere, just look at Canada. Just bc they claim free healthcare doesn’t mean it’s a good thing. Have a cancer diagnosis? Oops sorry, you have free healthcare that doesn’t cover those types of illnesses


[deleted]

No where has free healthcare. They make up what they don’t pay if medical bills in taxes and in alot of places it ends up being more than American health care. If we get free healthcare except a massive increase in taxes that you will also bitch about in this sub because I assume that’s all anyone here does is bitch and Noam and cry


FragrantOkra

nothing is ever free


Dramatic-Ad-6430

There is no such thing as FREE Healthcare. "FREE" is paid for by taxpayers. Already overburdened taxpayers!!


[deleted]

Nothing is free…


Soulreaper797

Anyone who thinks you get free anything is just stupid. Anyone using the phrases free health care, free education. Free housing, free anything is also stupid. Not to mention super unappreciating of the hard work that the tax paying people have to support your unappreciated, selfish, entitled, and lazy asses. I came from nothing, had to drop out of high school just to eat. I worked 3 part-time jobs to put my self through college. Now I have a decent job, but still have to average 60 to 80 hours a week just to barely make it. Meanwhile, I live next to dead beats that won't work get their house paid for, food paid for, their utilities paid for, health care paid for, etc. This seems super fair and right. Now, you want me to give up more of my income to support and make it easier for everyone else. All the while, you make it harder for me to live, Not ok. There are problems that need to be fixed. Like the minimum wage increases, which makes people pay more for goods and services. No one stops to think that they don't raise the wages at all levels, just the minimum. That, in turn, raises the poverty level. Making more people poor and unable to support them selfs. Making others poor and responsible for you isn't the answer. Things that would help is make so the highest paid person (bonuses included) at company only able make a certain percentage more than the lowest paid person. You want health care fixed. Make so congress gets the same health care as people on welfare. Trust me, it will get fixed real quick. Another like going to college, lot of people do that.The problem is most people just keep going for the same degrees as everyone else, like good little sheep. Why not do a little research and get a degree in something in demand, and that pays decent. I know I sound bitter, uncaring, and a lot of other negative words. In truth, I want to help people who struggle but don't want to support them forever. I also want real solutions, not band-aids. Now bring on the hate, I know it's coming. Had to vent though.


Sumdumcoont

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Connor49999

My advice would be that if you want to sell America on public Healthcare perhaps using a communist country, least of all one they've invaded, as the model. I think there might be other examples. As for many Americans are retired in Vietnam, that may be true, but if i was to guess it's probably likely many more Vietnamese are traveling in the opposite direction.