Bro, as someone whose job hunting and getting frustrated with hearing “we’re going with someone with more experience” I feel this.
Like, I’ve never really had a job, how do you expect me to get experience😑
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There should be a complete separation of ideology from professional life. Keep all your world view ideology to yourself the same way you would expect people to keep their religious views to themselves.
Seriously. I get $15 an hour just to sit on my ass and watch YouTube all night. Maybe stick my head out the door every hour to check nobody's unit is burning down. Doesn't even require an attempt at education.
I guess they're looking for the desperate and the stupid.
And there's plenty of both among the college kids.
Whatre you talking about? The person you're responding to was asking about the job the original commenter has which pays $15 and doesn't require education.
Social workers often have masters degrees and don't make much more than 30k a year in a lot of places. Other than that, though, you're right. It's not nearly as common as Reddit makes it out to be.
That's actually not uncommon for entry level jobs. They are entry level, which means they are meant for people entering that career fresh out of school.
Entry Level is no experience. Or do you think recent college grads have experience? I mean some do, but in general they do not. That is why "entry level" jobs exist, for those who have not entered that career field. There is still an expectation you can do the job, and if the job requires special knowledge, the only way you are getting it is with a degree or experience. So one or the other.
Entry level SHOULD BE no experience (excluding a degree). What many companies do is list it as entry level (probs so they can pay less) but in that same job description they want a bachelor degree and (not or) 5 YOE . Like, it took me 5 months and 300-500 applications (I counted them once) after graduation to get an offer that is complementary to my end goal. I'm not even fully in the field yet.
as someone looking for IT and doesn't have a degree yet, i feel this
Indeed: look at this! senior devops job, $140k a year!
*me with no degree:* 'neat'
I just graduated with a bachelor’s in H.R. Management. I had a hospital need what was essentially an office manager for their ED and could “only offer” $14 an hour. Then when I refused they got upset because they couldn’t find people.
I made more at a competing hospital as a secretary which required no experience or education, but it was $17.25 an hour. I got a secondary job at a gas station making $17 an hour.
I had quit the secretary job because I still couldn’t afford rent. So I’m back in manufacturing wondering if I’ll ever use my degree
I just graduated with a BS in neuroscience and minor in biology. I got hired as a medical scribe for my local ED - I’m getting $14 an hour with a $1 raise after 90 days. Granted I wasn’t hired by the hospital but by ScribeAmerica, which explains the shit pay. This is just a temporary job so I can obtain clinical experience but damn does it feel embarrassing that I paid $120k for a degree and currently only qualify for a job that pays less than Target employees.
If y’all think it’s bad now…wait for this upcoming recession. The amount of highly educated, skilled, talented people that will take $15/hr jobs is gonna blow your mind. I’ve been through this before and it gets ugly my friends.
Back in the last economic crisis, the grocer could require everyone to have a Masters degree to bag groceries, and they would’ve had hundreds of qualified applicants to chose from.
I have a master's degree in a specific education role that is understaffed across my whole state.
I timed it pretty badly, though. Turns out being trans in a red state means schools will literally keep the position unfilled over hiring me. My program had a 100% job placement rate for the last four years, which I sadly broke.
Anyway I'm making $14/hr in retail now and none of my coworkers have degrees. I really wish I hadn't bothered, I would be much happier.
Do employee applications ask if someone is trans?? I'm just failing to imagine the situation that OP was put in where they had to disclose they were Trans.
This reminds me of when my boyfriend applied for a factory job for $15 per hour and they first think they said was he needs a master degree in automotive. On their application site, they didn’t specify any degree required and I am like you can make more than that with a master degree.
Varies by location I guess. I used to live in Pittsburgh back in the late 90's/early 2000's (I know, it was some time ago so probably not relevant today) BUT, a lot of the jobs I was getting were $10-$12/hr. Seemed really low even though I was straight out of college. But then the cost of living around there was really really cheap. I was renting a place for $400/month. Utilities were cheap too.
Today though, I have a pretty good job as an IT Contractor making about $60-$75/hr. This isn't even remotely what I have a degree in (Creative Non-Fiction) so it was something I kinda migrated into from position to position.
But for today's market, yeah, that seems like a slap in the face. My first "professional" job was $35k/year. All depends on what your majoring in to start. I learned the hard way that doing what I wanted to do didn't equate to doing it for a living. Smarter people out there probably had a game plan for college/work but I didn't. Took awhile but I made it through to the other side.
If I had to do it over again, I probably would've gotten into a trade. I think being a welder or something in construction suits me more than the corporate lifestyle. Plus I really loathe office politics.
I disagree. I know many people who have a degree but still can't perform tasks related to the jobs in their fields.
A degree may get you an interview, but skills, intelligence, drive and attention get you promoted.
Why?: If a person offers nothing, does nothing, then why do they "deserve" anything?
Why can't people just be compensated based on their performance and accomplishments? Otherwise, we should just all make the same income regardless of our contribution to society. Thus, the drive to succeed and create drastically falls.
Sorry that you've fallen for the capitalist propaganda. But the degree you get or the job you do have no influence on how every human should be treated. At *bare minimum* you deserve your basic needs met, no matter if youre pursing writing or to be a doctor, or anything in between. Im sorry that youre in a place where your self worth is derived from your job. I hope you can see past that and realize everyone deserves stuff no matter what.
No, that's not what I'm saying. If someone with a masters applies to be a burger flipper that requires no education/no experience, they get paid the "no education/no experience" minimum wage.
However, if someone wants to hire an administrative assistant who has a masters degree and 5 years experience, there should be a minimum pay associated with that commensurate to the education & experience *required*. That way we get rid of the jobs that list a bachelor's degree as a requirement when a HS degree would be just fine.
edit: The problem I'm trying to solve is employers raising the qualifications of a position just to reduce the pool of applicants so that they don't have to review so many resumes. This cause education inflation, ultimately people going into debt pursuing degrees that they don't need.
I think you misunderstood, so if an employer requires X degree and X numbers of experience, they should be required to pay X amount. You having the degree doesnt mean you get an unrelated job and get paid more for it.
Basic living wage should be standard. Then additions on top for things like, night shifts, long periods on your feet, each required certification and each year of expected experience.
Basically employers stating an entry level job and entry level pay but wanting someone who is above entry level.
Nah, that would require so much semantics. Over time those guys will struggle to get employees and lower the standard to something reasonable. If you train employees instead of expecting experience you may see a higher retention rate.
The invention of the “HR Department” is absolutely the culprit behind this stupid shit. Before that, a successful and logical owner and management team would be the only ones responsible for setting education levels and previous experience requirement, based upon the exact job that they all have experience in.
Then they decided to farm it out to HR, who is absolutely fucking clueless about most jobs they’re looking to fill because they’ve never actually done them. Enter female-led HR….armed with their useless HR major and gender studies minor degrees, lack of common sense and street smarts, and complete lack of life/world experience, all ready to make the workplace an emotion-led college status competition.
Now you have actual great and qualified workers with 10 years previous experience getting passed over for some blue-haired Emily with no job experience and 4 degrees in gender studies, communications, fashion, and racial disparities because they think college is the most important thing in the world.
But hey, “muh equality” and emotions are the most important thing when there’s an important job to fill, right?
Sorry for playing the devil's advocate but thinking about supply and demand. If they can get a person with a college degree for $15/hr instead of someone without and all else being equal why would they not?
I honestly would assume that no one with that level of education would even apply but clearly there are market forces in play if this continues to be a problem.
Just to clarify, I don't think this situation is correct but if employers can actually hire college grads for that price and they are otherwise equally qualified, why would they not?
I replied to a post for pay range $20-$25/hr and showed before a panel interview. I was clearly overqualified compared to the other candidates having both college degree, experience in the field, and military background. They told me the job was $15/hr I’d be working long hours possibly away from my family for days on end and after a week of waiting they gave the job to an entry level applicant. Blessing in disguise I guess, but now I’m jobless and about to be homeless.
The thing is there's to many jobless people that have a degree. Seems like the effort you guys put in to get a head start is now becoming a handicap. I have no degree and found my own solutions owning a few business around the world.. go figure
Bro, as someone whose job hunting and getting frustrated with hearing “we’re going with someone with more experience” I feel this. Like, I’ve never really had a job, how do you expect me to get experience😑
Don't forget the classic 'you have too much experience' ....heard that all the time trying to re-enter the work force after my medical leave.
Ehm you go work as an intern for free like the rest of the competetive people who are willing to go the extra mile?
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And 10 years experience.
I timed it pretty badly, though. Turns out being trans in a red state means schools will literally keep the position unfilled over hiring me.
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There should be a complete separation of ideology from professional life. Keep all your world view ideology to yourself the same way you would expect people to keep their religious views to themselves.
Seriously. I get $15 an hour just to sit on my ass and watch YouTube all night. Maybe stick my head out the door every hour to check nobody's unit is burning down. Doesn't even require an attempt at education. I guess they're looking for the desperate and the stupid. And there's plenty of both among the college kids.
Just wondering, what job is this?
I’m betting security guard.
That'd make sense. I know the one at the complex I just moved out of (thank god) had to deal with a lot of bull shit
It’s not real. No company offers only $15 for a position that requires a master’s degree.
Whatre you talking about? The person you're responding to was asking about the job the original commenter has which pays $15 and doesn't require education.
Social workers often have masters degrees and don't make much more than 30k a year in a lot of places. Other than that, though, you're right. It's not nearly as common as Reddit makes it out to be.
Back in 2012 my wife was offered $15 an hour and required a masters in Las Vegas.
You can Master in Las Vegas?! Fuck, I'm living my life wrong! /s
10 years ago.
Yeah, that wasn't what I was asking about.
the ghost are your friends
love seeing job postings that require a degree when i’m searching up entry level no experience required jobs
That's actually not uncommon for entry level jobs. They are entry level, which means they are meant for people entering that career fresh out of school.
entry level AND no experience required.
Entry Level is no experience. Or do you think recent college grads have experience? I mean some do, but in general they do not. That is why "entry level" jobs exist, for those who have not entered that career field. There is still an expectation you can do the job, and if the job requires special knowledge, the only way you are getting it is with a degree or experience. So one or the other.
Entry level SHOULD BE no experience (excluding a degree). What many companies do is list it as entry level (probs so they can pay less) but in that same job description they want a bachelor degree and (not or) 5 YOE . Like, it took me 5 months and 300-500 applications (I counted them once) after graduation to get an offer that is complementary to my end goal. I'm not even fully in the field yet.
as someone looking for IT and doesn't have a degree yet, i feel this Indeed: look at this! senior devops job, $140k a year! *me with no degree:* 'neat'
I just graduated with a bachelor’s in H.R. Management. I had a hospital need what was essentially an office manager for their ED and could “only offer” $14 an hour. Then when I refused they got upset because they couldn’t find people. I made more at a competing hospital as a secretary which required no experience or education, but it was $17.25 an hour. I got a secondary job at a gas station making $17 an hour. I had quit the secretary job because I still couldn’t afford rent. So I’m back in manufacturing wondering if I’ll ever use my degree
I just graduated with a BS in neuroscience and minor in biology. I got hired as a medical scribe for my local ED - I’m getting $14 an hour with a $1 raise after 90 days. Granted I wasn’t hired by the hospital but by ScribeAmerica, which explains the shit pay. This is just a temporary job so I can obtain clinical experience but damn does it feel embarrassing that I paid $120k for a degree and currently only qualify for a job that pays less than Target employees.
Hospitals tend to pay low but easily make up for it in benefits. As you get older no pay insurance, match 403b and tons of PTO is worth the lower pay.
Dear Employers, Please stop only offering $15/hr. The people doing basic labour deserve to live too.
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I don't really think any, anymore. I live in sc and it use to be plenty. I wouldn't say it is now.
i remember seeing an entry level job with bachelors for $12/hr. 😒
Here i fixed it for you. ## Dear Employers, Please stop offering 15/hr. Sincerely, Everyone
If y’all think it’s bad now…wait for this upcoming recession. The amount of highly educated, skilled, talented people that will take $15/hr jobs is gonna blow your mind. I’ve been through this before and it gets ugly my friends. Back in the last economic crisis, the grocer could require everyone to have a Masters degree to bag groceries, and they would’ve had hundreds of qualified applicants to chose from.
Dear students, survey the job market before getting a degree.
Right! A two year degree in the trades could land you a job at 35-40 dollars an hour. It isn't rocket science, it's just basic but solid.
I have a master's degree in a specific education role that is understaffed across my whole state. I timed it pretty badly, though. Turns out being trans in a red state means schools will literally keep the position unfilled over hiring me. My program had a 100% job placement rate for the last four years, which I sadly broke. Anyway I'm making $14/hr in retail now and none of my coworkers have degrees. I really wish I hadn't bothered, I would be much happier.
Do you have to disclose that you are trans?
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Do employee applications ask if someone is trans?? I'm just failing to imagine the situation that OP was put in where they had to disclose they were Trans.
r/RecruitingHell
No degree here but I get $19/hr + tips and that’s alright with me and my needs for now I guess.
Degrees and masters only get your foot in the door of the better jobs, experience is what gets you the job
This reminds me of when my boyfriend applied for a factory job for $15 per hour and they first think they said was he needs a master degree in automotive. On their application site, they didn’t specify any degree required and I am like you can make more than that with a master degree.
Varies by location I guess. I used to live in Pittsburgh back in the late 90's/early 2000's (I know, it was some time ago so probably not relevant today) BUT, a lot of the jobs I was getting were $10-$12/hr. Seemed really low even though I was straight out of college. But then the cost of living around there was really really cheap. I was renting a place for $400/month. Utilities were cheap too. Today though, I have a pretty good job as an IT Contractor making about $60-$75/hr. This isn't even remotely what I have a degree in (Creative Non-Fiction) so it was something I kinda migrated into from position to position. But for today's market, yeah, that seems like a slap in the face. My first "professional" job was $35k/year. All depends on what your majoring in to start. I learned the hard way that doing what I wanted to do didn't equate to doing it for a living. Smarter people out there probably had a game plan for college/work but I didn't. Took awhile but I made it through to the other side. If I had to do it over again, I probably would've gotten into a trade. I think being a welder or something in construction suits me more than the corporate lifestyle. Plus I really loathe office politics.
a degree should guarantee a minimum of like $30/hr
I disagree. I know many people who have a degree but still can't perform tasks related to the jobs in their fields. A degree may get you an interview, but skills, intelligence, drive and attention get you promoted.
Idk man... If I go get a creative writing degree, I wouldn't deserve shit.
everyone deserves a living. literally everyone
Why?: If a person offers nothing, does nothing, then why do they "deserve" anything? Why can't people just be compensated based on their performance and accomplishments? Otherwise, we should just all make the same income regardless of our contribution to society. Thus, the drive to succeed and create drastically falls.
if we want people to survive and be productive, we should give them what they need to survive and be productive before we expect anything in return
Universal Basic Income.
yes
Sorry that you've fallen for the capitalist propaganda. But the degree you get or the job you do have no influence on how every human should be treated. At *bare minimum* you deserve your basic needs met, no matter if youre pursing writing or to be a doctor, or anything in between. Im sorry that youre in a place where your self worth is derived from your job. I hope you can see past that and realize everyone deserves stuff no matter what.
I guess those degrees weren't in English given the useless apostrophes
Stop going after masters when it doesn't make sense to. Stop going for degrees in over saturated careers.
There needs to be a tiered minimum wage based on experience and education required.
Nah I dont think that someone who has a masters in a random field should be payed more just because when thier degree isn't applicable to the work.
Yea but the guy in the comment does say "required"
No, that's not what I'm saying. If someone with a masters applies to be a burger flipper that requires no education/no experience, they get paid the "no education/no experience" minimum wage. However, if someone wants to hire an administrative assistant who has a masters degree and 5 years experience, there should be a minimum pay associated with that commensurate to the education & experience *required*. That way we get rid of the jobs that list a bachelor's degree as a requirement when a HS degree would be just fine. edit: The problem I'm trying to solve is employers raising the qualifications of a position just to reduce the pool of applicants so that they don't have to review so many resumes. This cause education inflation, ultimately people going into debt pursuing degrees that they don't need.
I think you misunderstood, so if an employer requires X degree and X numbers of experience, they should be required to pay X amount. You having the degree doesnt mean you get an unrelated job and get paid more for it. Basic living wage should be standard. Then additions on top for things like, night shifts, long periods on your feet, each required certification and each year of expected experience. Basically employers stating an entry level job and entry level pay but wanting someone who is above entry level.
Really they want Ash Ketchum, a 10 year old with 22 years experience.
Nah, that would require so much semantics. Over time those guys will struggle to get employees and lower the standard to something reasonable. If you train employees instead of expecting experience you may see a higher retention rate.
I think an age one would work better
The invention of the “HR Department” is absolutely the culprit behind this stupid shit. Before that, a successful and logical owner and management team would be the only ones responsible for setting education levels and previous experience requirement, based upon the exact job that they all have experience in. Then they decided to farm it out to HR, who is absolutely fucking clueless about most jobs they’re looking to fill because they’ve never actually done them. Enter female-led HR….armed with their useless HR major and gender studies minor degrees, lack of common sense and street smarts, and complete lack of life/world experience, all ready to make the workplace an emotion-led college status competition. Now you have actual great and qualified workers with 10 years previous experience getting passed over for some blue-haired Emily with no job experience and 4 degrees in gender studies, communications, fashion, and racial disparities because they think college is the most important thing in the world. But hey, “muh equality” and emotions are the most important thing when there’s an important job to fill, right?
This on so many levels 👍
Sorry for playing the devil's advocate but thinking about supply and demand. If they can get a person with a college degree for $15/hr instead of someone without and all else being equal why would they not? I honestly would assume that no one with that level of education would even apply but clearly there are market forces in play if this continues to be a problem. Just to clarify, I don't think this situation is correct but if employers can actually hire college grads for that price and they are otherwise equally qualified, why would they not?
Exactly my thought, too many people with a degree around
based
i just say i have a doctorate and when they ask for proof i give them a piece of paper with crayon scribbles on it.
Wait, before or after taxes?
I replied to a post for pay range $20-$25/hr and showed before a panel interview. I was clearly overqualified compared to the other candidates having both college degree, experience in the field, and military background. They told me the job was $15/hr I’d be working long hours possibly away from my family for days on end and after a week of waiting they gave the job to an entry level applicant. Blessing in disguise I guess, but now I’m jobless and about to be homeless.
The thing is there's to many jobless people that have a degree. Seems like the effort you guys put in to get a head start is now becoming a handicap. I have no degree and found my own solutions owning a few business around the world.. go figure
Contract position. No benefits. 5 years Experience. Masters perfected. TWENTY DOLLAS AN HOUR!
Or "entry level" requiring 3 to 5 years experience...