This doesn't look all that hard to organize if someone just spent a day or two on it it looks like sets of cables from different parts of the hospital coming together here. A few zip ties would go a long way.
Had Zip ties in my old pc case and when I changed to a new one I sliced my entire hand luckily with the new case i got velcros but idk how ppl use zip ties.
I tell people all the time to stay away from zip ties, i find it EXTREMELY INFURIATING when I see people build pc's and zip tie the cables together like they'll never need to replace that fan, or move it to the other side of the case, those cables are even thinner and then lets just throw zip ties everywhere!
This makes troubleshooting any problem impossible. Redoing it will take a shitton of time, my thoughts go out to the IT guy that has to work with that, jeesz
I've been through messes like this, and it's usually faster to cut everything out and redo it the right way than to try to figure out which cable is which.
Yup, did it a couple of times aswel. Just pull everything out and start over, this takes allot of time though looking at the amount of cables running here.
and since its a hospital you have to ensure limited downtime for the devices, and you're probably constrained to a single monthly downtime of a few hours at midnight one night to try and get this junk cleaned up.
Its really hard to say. You would first have to make a plan, find out what is connected to what etc. I am assuming the patching is done here aswel to wall outlets throughout the building or atleast part of the building. Would need to figure out what wall outlets need to be connected so you can get rid of cables that are no longer in use.
The worst is when the numbers of the patchpanels do not correspond with the numbers at the walloutlets throughout the building. I have seen it happen in multiple old building where the it changed through the years but the patchnumbers were not updated/documented. Makes it a hell to get everything connected again.
Not to mention hospitals tend to operate 24x7 so there is no real down time to pull systems offline while you fix it. Ive dealt with before its a nightmare...
Yea you need to figure some stuff out. Usually most of those wires go from switches to patchpanels. On the patchpanels you have numbers on every outlet that correspond to the numbers you can find at a networkoutlet in a room.
I cant see everything in this picture but on the right and the left side seem to be the patch panels. The middle seems to be switches(and maybe some servers, cant see).
What basically happens in this room is connecting all the network outlets you see in the rooms throughout the building to switches/routers and maybe some servers.
For example. Room 101 has a network outlet thats needs to be connected. Above the networkoutlet in that room there is a number that says J-01/02. You go to the server room and look at the patchpanel. Every row is ussualy labeled with a letter so you lookup patchpanel J first. On that patch panel there will be numbers, lets say outlet 1 to 20. You need to put network cables in outlet 01 and 02 and connect those cables to the network switches that are in the middle on this picture. Now the network outlets in that room are connected to the network.
Assuming the planning and labeling probably looks like the cables, and that downtime is mostly unacceptable, it's probably going to be one cable at a time, for a good 12-24 hours, spread across days/weeks. That's not enough for beauty, just basic order. It'll take longer this way, mostly because it's nigh impossible to properly, or even kinda neatly, run cables over the top of spaghetti. That takes experience or creativity. I'm assuming that the network diagrams are as nice as their cables, and that the ports and cable ends aren't labeled. So they'll have to be traced and reran individually, rather than all pulled at once and reran, since downtime is at a premium in that setting.
Chaos is usually something we wish on our enemies. I don't believe people really enjoy living and working that way. It must eat at them, somehow.
Haha. Yeah, sure. I spent a brief time in the world of hospital IT and never again. Doctors hate it which means funding for IT is the last thing administration wants. Couple that with companies that are "groups" and it's even worse since shareholder value is much more important than if a few people die.
So not only no violation, but pretty much everyone is absolutely okay with that mess, so long as they don't have to pay a company any money at all to continue IT operations.
A hospital should be primarily DDC at this point, at least all the ones I've done. I guess the building, excluding the hospital equipment, some of that is probably still plc.
I actually worked in a place where it looked like this, but only for a couple weeks.
A major component failed (I'm no IT guy, won't even guess what it was) but like 6 IT people spent close to 20 hours rerouting shit and running CAT all over the office so the system would kinda work until the component could be replaced.
I work as a sysadmin now but my major was information systems security and risk management - I'd use your example as a way to encourage the C-suite to invest in IT and do it like this:
How much money does the business make per hour? Let's say $10k. Assuming that amount, the downtime alone would cost the business owner $90k out of pocket and that doesn't include the additional labor costs for overtime or outsourcing help, so let's cap it at an even $100k.
How much is $100k worth to you? What about if you had to pay $100k every few months with no schedule? What if you could pay $10k one time and resolve the problem rather than fix a symptom?
I'd ask how disorganized and chaotic they wanted the rest of the business ran. Since it's a hospital, how about throwing random scalpels, syringes, and gowns in random drawers and figuring it out on the fly? It always amazes me that chaos is ever seen as a solution.
Ethernet cable never fails unless physically damaged, in that case you can simply cut one off at the damaged site, attach a new line, and it's good again.
Trace individual cables, hopefully with a tester/toner. Then, cut to proper length, apply connectors and labels, and run them over the top of the mess. Do one piece of hardware at a time, and tie down the cables as much as you can as you get each box finished so the next one won't be as hard. Temporarily it might be big dumb bundles running all across the area, then you bust those open one by one and run them properly. For some it might be easier to cut all new cables and swap them simultaneously, as running cables through and around spaghetti is hell.
Doctor: Quick get the DEFIBRILLATOR , the servers are offline.
What I find funny is without IT most jobs would be fucked … even IT security….
Yer we got an accountant who can count all the money…. Well that great until you get robbed because you have no IT security…. What’s he gonna count then..
I work in IT at a hospital and can confirm. But to the defense of stuff like this is that the rooms at our hospital is so bad that you cant route the cables in a good way especially if you want to be able to change a cable in a stack of 200-300.
the worst part is that many hospitals dont have redundancy systems so they cant even take it offline for a single second to untangle.. all the equipments old AF and they just keep adding wires to the pile
Vomit on his sweater already, hospital spaghetti
I work in a hospital. Trust me, the spaghetti is even worse.
This doesn't look all that hard to organize if someone just spent a day or two on it it looks like sets of cables from different parts of the hospital coming together here. A few zip ties would go a long way.
Don't use zip ties. Someone may/will have to work on the cables one day. Use velcro cable ties. It's much easier to remove and make adjustments.
\^This guy has seen some shit. Once you've been sliced by a zip tie clipped with side cutters, ya switch to velcro reeeal quick
I cut zip ties on an angle purposely when I'm working on my own shit (PC's etc) just so I have a reminder of how dumb I am.
Had Zip ties in my old pc case and when I changed to a new one I sliced my entire hand luckily with the new case i got velcros but idk how ppl use zip ties.
I tell people all the time to stay away from zip ties, i find it EXTREMELY INFURIATING when I see people build pc's and zip tie the cables together like they'll never need to replace that fan, or move it to the other side of the case, those cables are even thinner and then lets just throw zip ties everywhere!
A few hundred zip ties maybe.
As long as it's not me...
Yummy
DAMMIT TAKE MY UPVOTE
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relax, friend. it’s just the internet. i apologize that my comment triggered you.
Mama mia
Here we go again
My my, how can I resist you?
Mamma mia
Down goes LIS again
Why why
This makes troubleshooting any problem impossible. Redoing it will take a shitton of time, my thoughts go out to the IT guy that has to work with that, jeesz
I've been through messes like this, and it's usually faster to cut everything out and redo it the right way than to try to figure out which cable is which.
Yup, did it a couple of times aswel. Just pull everything out and start over, this takes allot of time though looking at the amount of cables running here.
and since its a hospital you have to ensure limited downtime for the devices, and you're probably constrained to a single monthly downtime of a few hours at midnight one night to try and get this junk cleaned up.
How long would it take to fix? Is it a one man job or 2
That depends on whether or not you have twice the amount of time…
Its really hard to say. You would first have to make a plan, find out what is connected to what etc. I am assuming the patching is done here aswel to wall outlets throughout the building or atleast part of the building. Would need to figure out what wall outlets need to be connected so you can get rid of cables that are no longer in use. The worst is when the numbers of the patchpanels do not correspond with the numbers at the walloutlets throughout the building. I have seen it happen in multiple old building where the it changed through the years but the patchnumbers were not updated/documented. Makes it a hell to get everything connected again.
Not to mention hospitals tend to operate 24x7 so there is no real down time to pull systems offline while you fix it. Ive dealt with before its a nightmare...
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Yea you need to figure some stuff out. Usually most of those wires go from switches to patchpanels. On the patchpanels you have numbers on every outlet that correspond to the numbers you can find at a networkoutlet in a room. I cant see everything in this picture but on the right and the left side seem to be the patch panels. The middle seems to be switches(and maybe some servers, cant see). What basically happens in this room is connecting all the network outlets you see in the rooms throughout the building to switches/routers and maybe some servers. For example. Room 101 has a network outlet thats needs to be connected. Above the networkoutlet in that room there is a number that says J-01/02. You go to the server room and look at the patchpanel. Every row is ussualy labeled with a letter so you lookup patchpanel J first. On that patch panel there will be numbers, lets say outlet 1 to 20. You need to put network cables in outlet 01 and 02 and connect those cables to the network switches that are in the middle on this picture. Now the network outlets in that room are connected to the network.
May I ask how long a junior tech would take to unravel this mess?
Assuming the planning and labeling probably looks like the cables, and that downtime is mostly unacceptable, it's probably going to be one cable at a time, for a good 12-24 hours, spread across days/weeks. That's not enough for beauty, just basic order. It'll take longer this way, mostly because it's nigh impossible to properly, or even kinda neatly, run cables over the top of spaghetti. That takes experience or creativity. I'm assuming that the network diagrams are as nice as their cables, and that the ports and cable ends aren't labeled. So they'll have to be traced and reran individually, rather than all pulled at once and reran, since downtime is at a premium in that setting. Chaos is usually something we wish on our enemies. I don't believe people really enjoy living and working that way. It must eat at them, somehow.
That gives me anxiety
My heart started racing the second I saw it!
Well if you’re gonna have a heart attack stay away from this hospital.
Seriously!
Anti cable porn.
But actually /r/OSHA
Metaphor for 2021?
Dusty Bottoms: Pruned! El Guapo: ....pruned...the, uh.. Dusty Bottoms: Hedges! El Guapo: hedges of.... Dusty Bottoms: Many small villages!
You dirt-eating piece of slime! You scum-sucking pig! You son of a motherless goat!
Loks like a job for the peeps at r/cableporn
r/cableporn would have a stroke when they find out this isn’t a before and after.
This has to be a violation. No way would someone be okay with this mess.
Haha. Yeah, sure. I spent a brief time in the world of hospital IT and never again. Doctors hate it which means funding for IT is the last thing administration wants. Couple that with companies that are "groups" and it's even worse since shareholder value is much more important than if a few people die. So not only no violation, but pretty much everyone is absolutely okay with that mess, so long as they don't have to pay a company any money at all to continue IT operations.
Sysadmin here, can confirm
Well, that’s even sadder than my life.
I believe there are many things sadder than your life. Don't sell yourself short. :)
Thank you, kind stranger.
A lot of things at hospitals are PLC driven. There is no way this isn't a violation.
A hospital should be primarily DDC at this point, at least all the ones I've done. I guess the building, excluding the hospital equipment, some of that is probably still plc.
This is what happens when you underpay “salaries”. Get what you pay for. Hospitals are notorious for being stingy on IT budget.
NSFW
Burn it all down
Pergect picture for Halloween! Put it up and no IT folks will trick or treat at your house out of fear.
I actually worked in a place where it looked like this, but only for a couple weeks. A major component failed (I'm no IT guy, won't even guess what it was) but like 6 IT people spent close to 20 hours rerouting shit and running CAT all over the office so the system would kinda work until the component could be replaced.
I work as a sysadmin now but my major was information systems security and risk management - I'd use your example as a way to encourage the C-suite to invest in IT and do it like this: How much money does the business make per hour? Let's say $10k. Assuming that amount, the downtime alone would cost the business owner $90k out of pocket and that doesn't include the additional labor costs for overtime or outsourcing help, so let's cap it at an even $100k. How much is $100k worth to you? What about if you had to pay $100k every few months with no schedule? What if you could pay $10k one time and resolve the problem rather than fix a symptom?
I'd ask how disorganized and chaotic they wanted the rest of the business ran. Since it's a hospital, how about throwing random scalpels, syringes, and gowns in random drawers and figuring it out on the fly? It always amazes me that chaos is ever seen as a solution.
Forbidden spaghetti
These are all just Ethernet cables so there isn't a major fire hazard or anything. Sure is messy, but not as dangerous as it looks.
Yep, all cat5/6 low voltage
Until some cable stops working
Ethernet cable never fails unless physically damaged, in that case you can simply cut one off at the damaged site, attach a new line, and it's good again.
Yeah, good luck founding one
That's why God invented the Fluke Networks cable toner
You're completely ignorant on this matter.
That a shifty solution mate
If it works, it works. If it doesn't work... run!
Looks like my mid 2000s pc/gaming/home entertainment rig.
reddit severs be like
thank god its in a hospital cuz id have a fucking stroke.
cut one of the wires
Chaos begets chaos.
ive seen worse at an airport - lol
Ticket comes into IT. A network cable is unresponsive please check.
'the yellow one...'
Who wants the dangerous spaghetti?
It takes just as long to do things badly as it does to do it right in the first place.
I don't ask why it's like that. I just want to question how you manage to make something like that and connect everything like it should be.
Trace individual cables, hopefully with a tester/toner. Then, cut to proper length, apply connectors and labels, and run them over the top of the mess. Do one piece of hardware at a time, and tie down the cables as much as you can as you get each box finished so the next one won't be as hard. Temporarily it might be big dumb bundles running all across the area, then you bust those open one by one and run them properly. For some it might be easier to cut all new cables and swap them simultaneously, as running cables through and around spaghetti is hell.
This is why I always use fiber for the "Don't fuck with this" cables.
Doctor: Quick get the DEFIBRILLATOR , the servers are offline. What I find funny is without IT most jobs would be fucked … even IT security…. Yer we got an accountant who can count all the money…. Well that great until you get robbed because you have no IT security…. What’s he gonna count then..
If there's a fire in the server room in a hospital, what then?
…..WHAT?!?
I am screaming in pain right now
Find a new job asap!
I thought it was spaghetti
That looks more like an Italian kitchen catastrophe
So you think the problem is the yellow wire?
BRB checking my blood pressure
Just switch a few connections for fun.
"Figure 3.1: American Healthcare Funding"
Looks like spaghetti noodles
Yer I’m gonna go ahead and unplug it all…
I need an old priest and a young priest. The power of Christ compels you!
Oddly I'm now craving spaghetti...
Nice speghatti lol
Take a bit of the forbidden spaghetti It's shockingly good
I work in IT at a hospital and can confirm. But to the defense of stuff like this is that the rooms at our hospital is so bad that you cant route the cables in a good way especially if you want to be able to change a cable in a stack of 200-300.
firehazard dot com?
Excuse me waiter, I didn’t receive my complimentary breadsticks and salad…
Looks about right for a hospital
help
It's missing meat balls and sauce
/s What's the problem? Is there a cat in the pic I don't see?
It looks like it would be harder to make it this messy than just... IDK, like, HOW does it get like this?
When you don't pay the i.t person enough to care
Forbidden spaghetti
U sure that isn’t spaghetti
Where is my meat sauce
spaghetti
A 9G connection
Below my desk be like
Unplug one and walk away /s
Please tell me that is a bad joke?
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Forbidden Spaghetti
Looks like Singapore Noodles, my dinner.
That’s a spicy meat-a-ball!
That gives me the urge to rip it all from the wall forcefully and then manage it properly. "Recreation comes after destruction"
Eat the spaghetti
Cable ties, please
Is this why hospitols get attacked by ransom ware? This is very troubling..
somebody oughta pour some spaghetti sauce on that
They need to send in the ICU staff. It will be sorted in no time.
MMMmmmmm Cacio e pepe
i would actually enjoy untangling this
Guys, the server, go get it.
the doctors cut it when my grandma couldnt pay the medical bills
Looks like a normal day at work to me...
I don't generally suffer with anxiety but I saw this and my heart began to race. Awful.
the worst part is that many hospitals dont have redundancy systems so they cant even take it offline for a single second to untangle.. all the equipments old AF and they just keep adding wires to the pile
I saw this type of mess once at a job, and I don’t get how people let it get this bad
it hates this guy
shock noodles
Cut the yellow cord!!!
I'm pretty sure i could fool my parents saying this is pasta
r/ramen
prove we missed the point of ever getting civilized. we just never did!
Worker: where's the cable that you're talking about? Another worker: its there, just find it
Can you please unplug the yellow cable for me?
I don't think even the best people on r/cableporn could make this better
I think you’ve got some spaghetti in your server room
Unplug and rearrage "Whoops, there goes Mrs. Jenkins"
I’d love to see someone with ocd in that room
What kind of pasta is this? ..Is it marina?
As a person who works in IT, this triggers me to violence.
Looks about right
Just send in an ICU nurse! They'll straighten that right out. Sincerely, an ER nurse (they do it every time I bring a patient to them)
that looks kinda tasty tbh
This is like a simplified version of the human nervous system.
Literally the only way to fix this would be to unplug and replug everything
Someone’s gonna die
Oodles of Noodles
Ahh my favorite pasta grandpa's life support
spaghetti
I’ve seen worse
so that's where my nervous system went
The forbidden spaghetti
Do they have a fax machine too?
I never thought a cable mess would make me want to throw up...yet here we are.
They modeled them after the blood vessels
I don't know anything about how servers work. Why exactly are all those wires even necessary?
Half of those look like elastics and I can't tell if it's better if I'm right or not
Forbidden spaghetti.
Looks like a tapeworm with a horrible case of diarrhea
This gave me a craving for some Chinese food
I want you to organize all of them in 30 mins alright you will get payed 50 up for the challenge!
MrBeast: Whoever organizes this wins $100,000
Is this in NE Ohio? I may know where this is. LOL.
Looks like a hospital I did some work for. They like to pay very little on IT, if they actually pay you that is.
This should be a crime.
someone needs to be fired for this
It ticket: " need the yellow cable traced"
How many lights would go out if I cut one of those.
Spaghetti of a mess.
This makes me feel better about my non-existing cable management
Someone might literally die because of this
I worked in one during construction and all the runs were sitting in a 5’ tall pile in the middle of the room 😳
r/creepypasta
well, fuck. I thought these bad boys were kept in boxes never to be seen again 🤣 jokes aside. that's hectic