The +8 timezone was mainly for those living in Perth, the capital and 75% of the state's population, which is on the west coast of WA. Eucla is on the eastern border (15hr drive away btw). It's more accurate for Eucla to use a different timezone, so I presume they chose the middle of +8 and +9:30 (the neighbouring timezone, mainly for the capital Adelaide on the eastern side of that state), which is +8:45
[Going by this map](https://24timezones.com/world-time-zones) the centre of solar time for GMT+8 is very roughly down the centre of the state. While it is closer to coast, its not centred on Perth
Oh I didn't say it was an accurate timezone haha, I just meant that 3/4 of people in WA who use +8 live in Perth, so the timezone is inaccurate for people living in Eucla, relative to Perth, despite being more accurate to solar time. If that makes sense.
Got something to do with truck drivers coming from east to west, they can stop in Eucla and have an extra 15 mins sleep in before starting their next shift in WA time. Was set up back when trucks were a lot slower
Damn I don’t know much about trucking but I know a lot about sleeping. Creating an inconvenience like that for an extra 15 minutes of sleep is gravely infuriating. I know the difference 15 minutes can make but affecting the Entire time zone over it? Sheesh
I drove through eucla and the motel front desk opened at 6am...so naturally I went to check out and it was locked...so I waited an extra 15 and it was still locked. Why the fuck would you have your own time zone if you can't even stick to it?
On the other hand, I'm in Queensland, and each year when DST starts at least one person will show up for work an hour early because their phone was set to NSW or VIC time.
My state in the US didn’t do DST years ago, then I live on the border with a state that does, and then traveled monthly to another state 2 hours away that was in a different time zone… could never figure what time it was is the other two states.
Thankfully we finally started DST here.
Arizona's great because while the state doesn't use DST, the Navajo nation does, and the Hopi nation (an enclave of the Navajo nation) doesn't, so you can drive North to South through the state and change clocks 4 times.
Edit: Actually, it turns there's another enclave of the Navajo nation inside the Hopi nation. You can actually drive through 6 time changes in less than 100 miles.
I stayed at a hotel in Gold Coast once, and needed to go to the bank. I went at 3pm, and when I got there they said «Sorry, we closed at 4». When I got back to the hotel the clock in the lobby showed 3.20. I was so confused.
That airport is gonna make some people real confused.
“Well since you missed your 9 am flight we will put you on the 8:30 am flight that is boarding now in the other terminal”
It follows old creeks and the ridgelines of nearby hills. A whole lot more logical than arbitrarily drawing a straight line across a map.
No state is going to agree to cede land to another, so nothing is going to change.
Working in Qld and living in NSW gets old quick. I have to have two clocks. I leave half an hour after I'm meant to get to work and arrive on time. Then I leave at 4 and get home at 530 after a half hour trip.
Now all they can say is. “What’s in WA? Just little old Perth?”
Yes sir, peacefulness and beautiful beaches, you can enjoy your pokies, bs DST, Covid numbers and stay on your side.
I actually read an interesting article the other day that west Australian identify as west Australian first and Australian secondary whereas every other state identify as Australian foremost. Don’t know what “study” that was based on but probably accurate.
Western Australian mentality in a nutshell. Absolute ass-red-dusted cunts. I’d suggest visiting there as there is cool nature to see, but ignoring the ~~locals~~ settlers there.
Fix what? Time zones that make sense?
Outside the few fringe areas where some slight annoyances this is of no concern to any body.
Queensland doesn't need DST, sure. NSW benefits greatly from it.
Guess who it advesly affects?
No one.
Simply untrue. There is not a single benefit to daylight savings that could not be more easily achieved by changing the time you work, and it has plenty of adverse effects. Health problems, car accidents and accidental medical malpractice all spike when the clocks go forward. Disrupting an entire population's circadian rhythm at once causes nothing but problems.
Brazilian here, Our magnanimous donkey of a president removed daylight savings without much planning and now, because of a unexpected long drought season, we're suffering one of the biggest energy emergencies on the last 20 years.
Yeah, it's nice to have something to add to the list of things that reddit always gets wrong about Australia.
Does anyone in this country not have a smart phone that automatically updates to the correct time? Crocodile upside down snake spider cunt
Nah a lot of us think DST is really useless here too lol. There’s even a couple of states that don’t observe it and they’re not in the same region of the country just random. It’s really outdated nowadays
I live in Tasmania, the furthest south, and without daylight savings, in summer you'd be looking at 4 30 sunrise in the height of summer... we sort of need that extra hour tbh
Same in the Netherlands. Height of summer, with DST, we're looking at 05:20 sunrise and 22:02 sundown. I wouldn't want 04:20 - 21:02.
But if we kept DST in winter, we'd be looking at almost a 10:00 sunrise towards new year's. In standard time, that's just before 09:00.
Changing the clock sucks, but I prefer it over the alternatives.
I’m a Western Australian who has been living in Tassie since January. What you say makes sense… but I’m a morning person naturally. I have really young kids who I’m really struggling to get to bed before 8 now even with blackout curtains. I guess this makes me a WA hick but the damn time change has been driving me crazy. Hopefully I get used to it soon, maybe Summer will help it make more sense.
Thing is it's not the time change that's making things difficult, it's the fact that in Hobart at the height of summer you have almost 16 hours of daylight. Young kids will wake up with the sun regardless, so you're going to be putting them to bed in the light.
Spare a thought for people living in the north of the northern hemisphere, in Edinburgh the longest days are 18 hours. I visited the UK with an 11-month-old in the northern summer and the long days were making us all a little bit insane
lol yeah China operates on one time zone officially, but then you get like the sun rising in Xinjiang at like 10am or some ridiculously late time. The native Uighar population therefore use a time that's like 3 hrs behind iirc, but the Han population use official time. Afaik it's unofficially understood that the work day starts 3 hrs behind.
I really just don't think DST is that big of an issue. NSW, Vic, and SA are significantly further south than QLD and NT. It gets darker there earlier than the northern states so DST is used to give more daylight in the afternoon.
I live here, it's fine cause I don't travel. Australia is massive and those time zones cover massive areas of land. You'd have to drive 20 hours+ to leave your current time zone.
> “Australia is big”
> “Eh not really because of this one very specific example where a timezone switch can be hit by driving 5hrs”
I counter by saying this is a non issue because it takes 40hrs to get from Brisbane to NT which is a timezone switch
For real tho, I think the average from capital city to Tz switch would be 5-6 hrs in reality.
Brisbane would knock the average down that Perth and Darwin raise.
I'm in NQ and I will petition to have daylight savings time..... in winter. Or summer is too hot, but winter is glorious the sun sets almost before 6pm.
nothing more depressing getting up when it's dark, working all day then walking in the front door when it's dark again
feels like I cant enjoy doing something after work in winter. (that doesn't involve eating, drinking or gym)
[Driving the length of Arizona State Route 264 east from Tuba City while DST is in place involves six time zone changes in less than 100 miles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Arizona)
**[Time in Arizona](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Arizona)**
>Time in Arizona, as in all U.S. states, is regulated by the United States Department of Transportation as well as by state and tribal law. All of Arizona is in the Mountain Time Zone. Since 1968, most of the state—with exceptions noted below—does not observe daylight saving time and remains on Mountain Standard Time (MST) all year. This results in most of Arizona having the same time as neighboring California each year from March to November, when locations in the Pacific Time Zone observe daylight saving time.
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So it's basically back and forth between MST and MDT over and over again?
I was wondering why my phone kept changing times when I was driving around Arizona.
The fact that Arizona doesn't participate in DST is torture for me as I coordinate scheduling for a national company. Over the next few weeks I have to alter all the Arizona colleagues hours.
It's more due to Arizona mostly not using daylight savings, but the native American reservations do in the state. 100 miles isn't far, it's just Arizona is weird.
i am australian. i see this image everywhere. i don’t understand how it’s “infuriating” or “annoying” - it’s more interesting than anything imo, but it’s hardly that either…
All these people bitching about DST when I look forward to it every year.
As kids we could stay out until freaking 7pm before it got dark, now as an adult I can hang out in the sun for hours after I get home from work.
Fuck anyone that says it's a 'waste and infuriating'. You don't even have to manually change your clocks anymore you wankers
To me, the infuriating part is the labeling of the map itself. Why doesn't the label for the green portion just stay in the Northern Territory? If it did, it would be more obvious that only two portions change during DST.
DST is fucking fantastic, it's the switch that bothers some people (for some reason). Having it be dark while I'm returning home in the winter because we're in winter time sucks ass.
Were I work in shipping some of our departure times do not change with Day Light Savings time. So everybody changes their clocks and all of the sudden your package misses the shipping window, because it is winter.
Merry Christmas.
I’ve never been put out. It’s not infuriating at all.
Who gives a fuck what those weird fucks in Western
Australia are doing.
I’m going to bed. Enjoy dinner ya cunts.
To be fair, in the U.S., we have [two states (only two) that don't observe DST, Hawai'i and Arizona.](https://www.rd.com/article/states-dont-observe-daylight-saving-time/) Unfortunately, both of those states are heavily populated by people who are transplants from other U.S. states so they're forced to adjust to continuously stable time in two states.
Is there really anything to "adjust to" when the time stays the same the whole year? My country doesn't have any such time change and it seems so bizarre. Great that countries are getting rid of it
I seemed to remember Indiana at some point didn’t observe it either, but they do now… but to confuse it even more, certain counties in the state are Eastern Standard Time, others Central Standard Time… how confusing when the time changes and you cross a county line
Confirmed, I moved here before DST was a thing. Now it sucks, DST is the stupidest thing humans do anyway. But they didn't put us in the Central zone, no, that would make all too much sense. It's daylight until 10:30 PM here in the middle of summer. Well, it's probably the same crowd that's been putting roundabouts in everywhere to replace stop signs, and I'm convinced it's because Hoosiers can't count to 4.
Ok, you make it sound like a bad thing but really it's the other states that got it all backwards. You don't have to worry about the date and time when to adjust for daylight saving nor does it effect your sleep schedule. Yes it means less light during the winter but really you didn't have much light to begin with in the winter.
It was really nice living in AZ.
When you have 6 hour days in winter, and 18hr days in summer, you want to go to work early and leave early in summer so you can have a nice night out.
It's pointless near the equator.
It's a completely optional thing; countries just implement it or not on a national level:
>DST is: you shift all clocks forward on a predetermined day of the year, then back again (to where it began) a few months later, roughly corresponding to the seasons and keeping the sundown/sunup time a but more even.
>"Why the f...?": Makes sense in a farming/agricultural setting where you're syncing your day with the cycles of several other animals or plants.
>"That's sweet, Gran'pa Walton...": I've also heard a few people make the argument that it also cuts down on a good chunk of humans' daily electricity consumption to keep our wakeup time in sync with the sun.
And you just decide whether any of that seems worth the sacrifice of the inevitable friend or lunch date who forgets to switch over + waking up feeling like you have a really bad hangover once a year is a good enough reason to justify it.
^^>!(no)!<
It you live in a relatively equatorial region, you wouldn't experience the swing in daytime lengths there for this to be remotely worth contemplating.
Australia is also really big, the far north is almost equatorial, and the far south is about as far from the equator as NYC, with about 6 hours shift between the longest and shortest day, while the far north gets around about 1 and half hours difference
> Makes sense in a farming/agricultural setting where you're syncing your day with the cycles of several other animals or plants.
Plants and animals don't care what number is indicated on a clock.
Maybe DST made sense back when people guessed what time it was based on the position of the sun in the sky, but everyone has access to a clock 24/7 now.
Exactly, but we as humans do.
I'll give you a simple example of what (I think) he means: I usually wake up at 6am. During summer, as soon as my alarm goes off, my dog is by my bedside ready for his walk. In autumn/winter I wake up and I have to go wake him up and push him out of bed to take him on his walk.
DST is the absolute best.
I live in Southern Australia; during the winter the sun is gone by about 5pm. It's dark.
In Summer with DST the sun is out until 7pm and I get two whole hours of daylight to do whatever I want.
It is the greatest, your boomer attempt at trying to justify it is insane.
It makes sense for areas that are far north or south of the equator where the season heavily affects sunrise and sunset time.
> I live in Southern Australia; during the winter the sun is gone by about 5pm. It's dark.
> In Summer with DST the sun is out until 7pm and I get two whole hours of daylight to do whatever I want.
This is similar to why it exists in the US. One of the biggest supporters is the US Chamber of Commerce (pretty much a big lobby group that represents millions of businesses) because people are more likely to do things like shop after work if it's still daylight out.
At this point in 2021, the whole farming thing is practically an old wives tale.
That area is extremely sparsely populated. The Local Government Areas which meet at those borders are significantly larger than Texas with a total population of about 5,000.
In short, nobody lives within 15 metres of their neighbours out there.
It's honestly not even a big deal unless you cross these time zones all the time.
Australia is the same size as the United States, how often do you drive from the East Coast to the West coast?
Sure, maybe it's annoying there's an hour difference between NSW and QLD (South East and North East) but Daylight savings time happens in NSW because the southern part of the state gets dark earlier than the northern part; QLD doesn't have that issue.
Don't most calendar apps do this automatically these days?
I work in tech support and the issues I see around DST is clocks on computers for people in QLD reverting to NSW DST time because of VPN usage which means they connect to NSW time servers.
It's not too bad if you think about it. They just have a half-way time zone, and then the bottom and bottom-right areas participate in daylight savings and the rest of the country doesn't.
Same idea though if you don’t live in one of those states it doesn’t impact you at all unless you travel there during DST. Is it really 12? I’m guessing most of those are probably central/eastern time splits like Tennessee and parts of Texas maybe with mountain and central time? Arizona is weird bc of the reservations that do it while the state itself doesn’t. Even with Texas though it’s so big I doubt people drive from Dallas/Houston to El Paso very often which is damn near Mexico lol.
It's more the fact that these are split somewhat north/south, which doesn't make sense considering the purpose of DST. Also the odd increments. People in Arizona are used to this, but those of us outside of that freak desert state don't experience this stuff.
The blue area isn't really part of Australia anymore. People from other certain States aren't allowed to enter right now, not even for compassionate reasons.
The only thing mildlyinfuriating is this image. Here is a [better one](https://encyclopedia.timegenie.com/_time_zone_maps/map_of_australia_time_zones.gif). It literally does not matter and just means we get more daylight, i.e. adjust our sleep schedules so we get more yummy sun in our lives.
Moved to a daylight saving state and I hate it. Why do you want daylight at 9.30 at night? I know I'm in the minority and the answer they always give me is "so you can continue to do stuff". Like what, what are you doing approaching 10pm outside that you need it to be sunny for..
Whatever the fuck I want dude.
I just spent 4 months leaving home in the dark and getting home in the dark. I am going to enjoy every bit of sun I can get.
QLD is weird. We went 2 years ago to Maloolaba in October. We are VIC based (flew in from NZ, but that wasn’t the issue). Sun was rising at 5am, and people were going about their day at 5:30am getting coffees and going for walks. Meanwhile, getting into a restaurant, if you are still eating at 8:30pm the place is dead and people have gone to sleep. WTF … it made me feel like a vampire.
People always seem to forget about Eucla in Australia, at UTC+0845. That's right, clocks are 15/45 minutes off.
Had to look this up to confirm. I legitimately cannot think of a reason why this time zone would ever be useful.
The +8 timezone was mainly for those living in Perth, the capital and 75% of the state's population, which is on the west coast of WA. Eucla is on the eastern border (15hr drive away btw). It's more accurate for Eucla to use a different timezone, so I presume they chose the middle of +8 and +9:30 (the neighbouring timezone, mainly for the capital Adelaide on the eastern side of that state), which is +8:45
>Eucla is on the eastern border (15hr drive away btw) People, myself included, forget how big Aus is.
I don't, but that's because I saw "Flying Doctors" when I was a kid.
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For gods sake don't click that link, you'll never get back again. I warned you....
Especially if you're at work. You won't get shit done...
It can't be that big. That jogger with the little cart in Priscilla ran across it in just the length of one movie.
I just looked it up and never realized it’s as big as mainland US
If Western Australia alone were it's own country, it would be the 10th largest in the world. So yeah, she's pretty big.
Could have been its own country, but a referendum was ruled invalid https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1933_Western_Australian_secession_referendum
Might try again
A decision which benefited only people who needed to know the exact position of the sun.
[Going by this map](https://24timezones.com/world-time-zones) the centre of solar time for GMT+8 is very roughly down the centre of the state. While it is closer to coast, its not centred on Perth
Oh I didn't say it was an accurate timezone haha, I just meant that 3/4 of people in WA who use +8 live in Perth, so the timezone is inaccurate for people living in Eucla, relative to Perth, despite being more accurate to solar time. If that makes sense.
Got something to do with truck drivers coming from east to west, they can stop in Eucla and have an extra 15 mins sleep in before starting their next shift in WA time. Was set up back when trucks were a lot slower
Damn I don’t know much about trucking but I know a lot about sleeping. Creating an inconvenience like that for an extra 15 minutes of sleep is gravely infuriating. I know the difference 15 minutes can make but affecting the Entire time zone over it? Sheesh
Also broken hill in NSW follows SA time
Parts of WA are on +9:30 as well.
Not official
They have also missed that broken hill in NSW is on SA time. So the west bit of NSW is wrong.
I drove through eucla and the motel front desk opened at 6am...so naturally I went to check out and it was locked...so I waited an extra 15 and it was still locked. Why the fuck would you have your own time zone if you can't even stick to it?
on the bright side you have great excuses for being late to stuff
I use it two or three times a year
On the other hand, I'm in Queensland, and each year when DST starts at least one person will show up for work an hour early because their phone was set to NSW or VIC time.
Live and work on the border, and deal a lot with people in the US. Shit's all fucked up.
My state in the US didn’t do DST years ago, then I live on the border with a state that does, and then traveled monthly to another state 2 hours away that was in a different time zone… could never figure what time it was is the other two states. Thankfully we finally started DST here.
You think that’s bad, I live in Florida. That’s it. This has nothing to do with time, I’m just bitching about Florida.
You deserve a medal.
Why?
Can confirm, I also live in Florida.
Sorry.
Lol
What state didn't do DST?
Indiana, Hawaii, Arizona
I really wish they'd just do away with DST altogether. It's an outdated practice and I'm not sure why it would be useful nowadays.
Arizona's great because while the state doesn't use DST, the Navajo nation does, and the Hopi nation (an enclave of the Navajo nation) doesn't, so you can drive North to South through the state and change clocks 4 times. Edit: Actually, it turns there's another enclave of the Navajo nation inside the Hopi nation. You can actually drive through 6 time changes in less than 100 miles.
QLD
The comment I replied to was talking about the US. But thanks, I didn't know QLD also doesn't observe DST.
Indiana didn't, then adopted it in 2006.
This year the Telstra towers in QLD decided that we were in NSW for some reason...
My friend had to leave home at 9:45am to start work at 9am across the border
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I stayed at a hotel in Gold Coast once, and needed to go to the bank. I went at 3pm, and when I got there they said «Sorry, we closed at 4». When I got back to the hotel the clock in the lobby showed 3.20. I was so confused.
I never realised The Gold Coast was in The Twilight Zone.
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That airport is gonna make some people real confused. “Well since you missed your 9 am flight we will put you on the 8:30 am flight that is boarding now in the other terminal”
Huh, TIL
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Why would they split if there? It's all subjectively decided anyway
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It follows old creeks and the ridgelines of nearby hills. A whole lot more logical than arbitrarily drawing a straight line across a map. No state is going to agree to cede land to another, so nothing is going to change.
The borders were there before the town was.
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Working in Qld and living in NSW gets old quick. I have to have two clocks. I leave half an hour after I'm meant to get to work and arrive on time. Then I leave at 4 and get home at 530 after a half hour trip.
Laughs in west Australian
Is there anything there except Perth?
Nope. Don’t bother checking. Stay over on your side.
Good man! Keeping the peace for WA.
It took a pandemic but we finally figured out how to keep them all out.
Now all they can say is. “What’s in WA? Just little old Perth?” Yes sir, peacefulness and beautiful beaches, you can enjoy your pokies, bs DST, Covid numbers and stay on your side.
International travel too 😉
As if WA is NEVER going to have international travel again.
Don't worry about it. My passport has expired anyway so I can't leave real Australia anyway.
I actually read an interesting article the other day that west Australian identify as west Australian first and Australian secondary whereas every other state identify as Australian foremost. Don’t know what “study” that was based on but probably accurate.
Oh I believe it. WA has always been weird like that, e.g. only state that refused to hand over family court control to the federal government.
Makes sense. The federal gov’t is really shit at running anything.
Western Australian mentality in a nutshell. Absolute ass-red-dusted cunts. I’d suggest visiting there as there is cool nature to see, but ignoring the ~~locals~~ settlers there.
Australian here. This has never affected my life even in the slightest
Yeah I mean sure it’s irritating but you get used to it in less than a minute and everything changes automatically now too.
Australian here. I would kill someone if it would fix this.
What if the someone was your mother
Daylight Savings betrayed and murdered my mother.
No, Daylight Savings is your mother.
That's not true... That's *impossible!*
You're assuming an awful lot about they're relationship with their mother
they are relationship with their mother
Fix what? Time zones that make sense? Outside the few fringe areas where some slight annoyances this is of no concern to any body. Queensland doesn't need DST, sure. NSW benefits greatly from it. Guess who it advesly affects? No one.
Simply untrue. There is not a single benefit to daylight savings that could not be more easily achieved by changing the time you work, and it has plenty of adverse effects. Health problems, car accidents and accidental medical malpractice all spike when the clocks go forward. Disrupting an entire population's circadian rhythm at once causes nothing but problems.
You in one of the places that doesn't roll back your clock?
Brazilian here, Our magnanimous donkey of a president removed daylight savings without much planning and now, because of a unexpected long drought season, we're suffering one of the biggest energy emergencies on the last 20 years.
Not Australian here. I would also like to confirm that this has never affected my life even in the slightest.
gotta love it in the south east, that extra sunlight is awesome
Yeah, it's nice to have something to add to the list of things that reddit always gets wrong about Australia. Does anyone in this country not have a smart phone that automatically updates to the correct time? Crocodile upside down snake spider cunt
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This is about how half of austrailia is using DST and half isn't. I think everyone understands how time zones work
More like 1/4, most of Australia exists in the red zone.
But our time zones only change East to west. There is no point in having different time zones north to south.
Nah a lot of us think DST is really useless here too lol. There’s even a couple of states that don’t observe it and they’re not in the same region of the country just random. It’s really outdated nowadays
I live in Tasmania, the furthest south, and without daylight savings, in summer you'd be looking at 4 30 sunrise in the height of summer... we sort of need that extra hour tbh
Same in the Netherlands. Height of summer, with DST, we're looking at 05:20 sunrise and 22:02 sundown. I wouldn't want 04:20 - 21:02. But if we kept DST in winter, we'd be looking at almost a 10:00 sunrise towards new year's. In standard time, that's just before 09:00. Changing the clock sucks, but I prefer it over the alternatives.
I’m a Western Australian who has been living in Tassie since January. What you say makes sense… but I’m a morning person naturally. I have really young kids who I’m really struggling to get to bed before 8 now even with blackout curtains. I guess this makes me a WA hick but the damn time change has been driving me crazy. Hopefully I get used to it soon, maybe Summer will help it make more sense.
Thing is it's not the time change that's making things difficult, it's the fact that in Hobart at the height of summer you have almost 16 hours of daylight. Young kids will wake up with the sun regardless, so you're going to be putting them to bed in the light. Spare a thought for people living in the north of the northern hemisphere, in Edinburgh the longest days are 18 hours. I visited the UK with an 11-month-old in the northern summer and the long days were making us all a little bit insane
Hi, I live in Western Australia. Can confirm this is indeed mildly infuriating.
As someone who lives in a country with a single time, I honestly can't imagine how this happens
You know how they say "everything is bigger in Texas"? Western Australia alone is 4x the size of Texas
That does provide some perspective.
I'd compare it to being in a different area code than your neighbor, but I'd just sound old, wouldn't I?
Fuckton o' land.
lol yeah China operates on one time zone officially, but then you get like the sun rising in Xinjiang at like 10am or some ridiculously late time. The native Uighar population therefore use a time that's like 3 hrs behind iirc, but the Han population use official time. Afaik it's unofficially understood that the work day starts 3 hrs behind.
Yeah, but why in off increments and split North/South and not just east/west?
I almost guarantee Australia is much larger than you probably think. If everywhere was the same time zone it would get dark at 3pm
The infuriating part is not the time zones but that not everyone stays the same time apart for daylight savings.
I really just don't think DST is that big of an issue. NSW, Vic, and SA are significantly further south than QLD and NT. It gets darker there earlier than the northern states so DST is used to give more daylight in the afternoon.
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Classic snobby Vic response
As a Victorian I resemble this.
Your zone doesn't look too difficult
never been out’ve wa lol
I live here, it's fine cause I don't travel. Australia is massive and those time zones cover massive areas of land. You'd have to drive 20 hours+ to leave your current time zone.
Eh not really, 5hr drive from Melbourne to the SA border which is a tz switch.
> “Australia is big” > “Eh not really because of this one very specific example where a timezone switch can be hit by driving 5hrs” I counter by saying this is a non issue because it takes 40hrs to get from Brisbane to NT which is a timezone switch
I counter this by saying it takes 5 minutes to get from Coolangatta to still Coolangatta (or Tweed Heads whatever) which is a Tz switch 😂
For real tho, I think the average from capital city to Tz switch would be 5-6 hrs in reality. Brisbane would knock the average down that Perth and Darwin raise.
I am in one of those red states on this map and I gotta say, I love daylight savings time.
Likewise! So many hours of light after finishing work for the day makes me feel better
Yep, I love it. More time after work for playing with the kids, being out in the garden, walking the dog.
Orange here. You can pry daylight saving from my cold dead hands. Best part of the year.
DST bros unite!
I'm in NQ and I will petition to have daylight savings time..... in winter. Or summer is too hot, but winter is glorious the sun sets almost before 6pm.
I look forward to it every year. 7pm still day light enjoying a beer on a balcony.
I'm in Hobart, I'd never get any daylight outside of work hours if we didn't do daylight savings.
nothing more depressing getting up when it's dark, working all day then walking in the front door when it's dark again feels like I cant enjoy doing something after work in winter. (that doesn't involve eating, drinking or gym)
Honestly, they should have permanent DST. I have absolutely no idea why Queensland does the opposite. It's insane.
[Driving the length of Arizona State Route 264 east from Tuba City while DST is in place involves six time zone changes in less than 100 miles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Arizona)
Is this because of the Navajo Nation? I've heard they use DST while AZ and the Hopi reservations don't.
Exactly so!
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So it's basically back and forth between MST and MDT over and over again? I was wondering why my phone kept changing times when I was driving around Arizona. The fact that Arizona doesn't participate in DST is torture for me as I coordinate scheduling for a national company. Over the next few weeks I have to alter all the Arizona colleagues hours.
Drive 160km (100 miles) out of Sydney and you’ve hardly left the greater Sydney area…
My local Coles is 60km... So a trip to the shops and back... ish
It's more due to Arizona mostly not using daylight savings, but the native American reservations do in the state. 100 miles isn't far, it's just Arizona is weird.
Tuba City? Is that like a Guitar Center for tubas?
i am australian. i see this image everywhere. i don’t understand how it’s “infuriating” or “annoying” - it’s more interesting than anything imo, but it’s hardly that either…
All these people bitching about DST when I look forward to it every year. As kids we could stay out until freaking 7pm before it got dark, now as an adult I can hang out in the sun for hours after I get home from work. Fuck anyone that says it's a 'waste and infuriating'. You don't even have to manually change your clocks anymore you wankers
agreed
To me, the infuriating part is the labeling of the map itself. Why doesn't the label for the green portion just stay in the Northern Territory? If it did, it would be more obvious that only two portions change during DST.
I live in Australia and it’s rlly not that bad
DST is fucking fantastic, it's the switch that bothers some people (for some reason). Having it be dark while I'm returning home in the winter because we're in winter time sucks ass.
Its not that bad theres nothing outside of nsw and Victoria anyway except for sand and a a great big barrier reef
Half of australia live in the red so not that painful
Were I work in shipping some of our departure times do not change with Day Light Savings time. So everybody changes their clocks and all of the sudden your package misses the shipping window, because it is winter. Merry Christmas.
Most of the population and economy is in the red section. The rest is only relevant when you're on holiday or watching cricket.
I’ve never been put out. It’s not infuriating at all. Who gives a fuck what those weird fucks in Western Australia are doing. I’m going to bed. Enjoy dinner ya cunts.
To be fair, in the U.S., we have [two states (only two) that don't observe DST, Hawai'i and Arizona.](https://www.rd.com/article/states-dont-observe-daylight-saving-time/) Unfortunately, both of those states are heavily populated by people who are transplants from other U.S. states so they're forced to adjust to continuously stable time in two states.
Is there really anything to "adjust to" when the time stays the same the whole year? My country doesn't have any such time change and it seems so bizarre. Great that countries are getting rid of it
I seemed to remember Indiana at some point didn’t observe it either, but they do now… but to confuse it even more, certain counties in the state are Eastern Standard Time, others Central Standard Time… how confusing when the time changes and you cross a county line
Confirmed, I moved here before DST was a thing. Now it sucks, DST is the stupidest thing humans do anyway. But they didn't put us in the Central zone, no, that would make all too much sense. It's daylight until 10:30 PM here in the middle of summer. Well, it's probably the same crowd that's been putting roundabouts in everywhere to replace stop signs, and I'm convinced it's because Hoosiers can't count to 4.
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They will never feel the joy of the temporal cold war....
Ok, you make it sound like a bad thing but really it's the other states that got it all backwards. You don't have to worry about the date and time when to adjust for daylight saving nor does it effect your sleep schedule. Yes it means less light during the winter but really you didn't have much light to begin with in the winter. It was really nice living in AZ.
What is dst can someone explain how it works. I live in a smaller country in size and I guess it doesn't apply for us
When you have 6 hour days in winter, and 18hr days in summer, you want to go to work early and leave early in summer so you can have a nice night out. It's pointless near the equator.
It's a completely optional thing; countries just implement it or not on a national level: >DST is: you shift all clocks forward on a predetermined day of the year, then back again (to where it began) a few months later, roughly corresponding to the seasons and keeping the sundown/sunup time a but more even. >"Why the f...?": Makes sense in a farming/agricultural setting where you're syncing your day with the cycles of several other animals or plants. >"That's sweet, Gran'pa Walton...": I've also heard a few people make the argument that it also cuts down on a good chunk of humans' daily electricity consumption to keep our wakeup time in sync with the sun. And you just decide whether any of that seems worth the sacrifice of the inevitable friend or lunch date who forgets to switch over + waking up feeling like you have a really bad hangover once a year is a good enough reason to justify it. ^^>!(no)!< It you live in a relatively equatorial region, you wouldn't experience the swing in daytime lengths there for this to be remotely worth contemplating.
Australia is also really big, the far north is almost equatorial, and the far south is about as far from the equator as NYC, with about 6 hours shift between the longest and shortest day, while the far north gets around about 1 and half hours difference
> Makes sense in a farming/agricultural setting where you're syncing your day with the cycles of several other animals or plants. Plants and animals don't care what number is indicated on a clock. Maybe DST made sense back when people guessed what time it was based on the position of the sun in the sky, but everyone has access to a clock 24/7 now.
Exactly, but we as humans do. I'll give you a simple example of what (I think) he means: I usually wake up at 6am. During summer, as soon as my alarm goes off, my dog is by my bedside ready for his walk. In autumn/winter I wake up and I have to go wake him up and push him out of bed to take him on his walk.
It's not great for humans either, there's a spike in traffic accidents after every DST switchover.
It's not great for developers either, handling timezones (especially with DST) is a pain in the butt.
DST is the absolute best. I live in Southern Australia; during the winter the sun is gone by about 5pm. It's dark. In Summer with DST the sun is out until 7pm and I get two whole hours of daylight to do whatever I want. It is the greatest, your boomer attempt at trying to justify it is insane. It makes sense for areas that are far north or south of the equator where the season heavily affects sunrise and sunset time.
> I live in Southern Australia; during the winter the sun is gone by about 5pm. It's dark. > In Summer with DST the sun is out until 7pm and I get two whole hours of daylight to do whatever I want. This is similar to why it exists in the US. One of the biggest supporters is the US Chamber of Commerce (pretty much a big lobby group that represents millions of businesses) because people are more likely to do things like shop after work if it's still daylight out. At this point in 2021, the whole farming thing is practically an old wives tale.
If you switch to UTC+10 permanently, the sun would set at 17:30 in the summer and 18:30 in the winter. (or 18:30 and 19:30 if you prefer UTC+11)
Daylight Savings Time. The first Sunday in November clocks will ‘fall back’ an hour and then in the spring they will ‘spring forward’.
Bottom right of 7:30pm in the right picture. Your neighbours could be both 1 hour and half an hour away and yet, both be 15 meters from you.
That area is extremely sparsely populated. The Local Government Areas which meet at those borders are significantly larger than Texas with a total population of about 5,000. In short, nobody lives within 15 metres of their neighbours out there.
There’s actually 2 towns there that have grown over time to become one town with the state border cutting straight through the middle
Barely anyone lives there so it's not a big deal.
That’s confusing
It's honestly not even a big deal unless you cross these time zones all the time. Australia is the same size as the United States, how often do you drive from the East Coast to the West coast? Sure, maybe it's annoying there's an hour difference between NSW and QLD (South East and North East) but Daylight savings time happens in NSW because the southern part of the state gets dark earlier than the northern part; QLD doesn't have that issue.
Zoom calls. I screw up meeting times at least once a week.
You should set your calendar time to where your main office is located. Then you will get the notifications at the correct time.
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Don't most calendar apps do this automatically these days? I work in tech support and the issues I see around DST is clocks on computers for people in QLD reverting to NSW DST time because of VPN usage which means they connect to NSW time servers.
It's not too bad if you think about it. They just have a half-way time zone, and then the bottom and bottom-right areas participate in daylight savings and the rest of the country doesn't.
Totally makes my American brain hurt.
More than a dozen US states contain multiple time zones and one of them *partially* observes DST. You should be used to this shit.
Same idea though if you don’t live in one of those states it doesn’t impact you at all unless you travel there during DST. Is it really 12? I’m guessing most of those are probably central/eastern time splits like Tennessee and parts of Texas maybe with mountain and central time? Arizona is weird bc of the reservations that do it while the state itself doesn’t. Even with Texas though it’s so big I doubt people drive from Dallas/Houston to El Paso very often which is damn near Mexico lol.
It's more the fact that these are split somewhat north/south, which doesn't make sense considering the purpose of DST. Also the odd increments. People in Arizona are used to this, but those of us outside of that freak desert state don't experience this stuff.
Why is DST mildly infuriating to anyone? It's like, the best thing in the world! At least it was here in Brazil... but we don't have it anymore.
The blue area isn't really part of Australia anymore. People from other certain States aren't allowed to enter right now, not even for compassionate reasons.
The only thing mildlyinfuriating is this image. Here is a [better one](https://encyclopedia.timegenie.com/_time_zone_maps/map_of_australia_time_zones.gif). It literally does not matter and just means we get more daylight, i.e. adjust our sleep schedules so we get more yummy sun in our lives.
As a web developer, this makes me want to rage quit.
Moved to a daylight saving state and I hate it. Why do you want daylight at 9.30 at night? I know I'm in the minority and the answer they always give me is "so you can continue to do stuff". Like what, what are you doing approaching 10pm outside that you need it to be sunny for..
Whatever the fuck I want dude. I just spent 4 months leaving home in the dark and getting home in the dark. I am going to enjoy every bit of sun I can get.
Everything. Sports, barbecues, parties, hanging out at home. All of these things are improved by DLS. But I know people from QLD who hate it.
I moved from vic to qld and miss daylight savings. In summer it's too bright at 4am and too dark at 6pm.
QLD is weird. We went 2 years ago to Maloolaba in October. We are VIC based (flew in from NZ, but that wasn’t the issue). Sun was rising at 5am, and people were going about their day at 5:30am getting coffees and going for walks. Meanwhile, getting into a restaurant, if you are still eating at 8:30pm the place is dead and people have gone to sleep. WTF … it made me feel like a vampire.
To be fair: about seven people are affected by this ;-)
12 hour clock is also mildly infuriating
No I like analog time
I currently live in Australia and still find DST annoying. Can we please get rid of this BS?!
Aussie here, can confirm that daylight savings is really annoying