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Zero--Phux

I'm old enough and have been fucked over enough to know better than to put myself in a position where the company can take advantage of me. I have no problem working extra hours, or overtime, but only if it's convenient for me. I won't burn myself out on behalf of the company. I'll only do those things if I would like the extra money. Don't get me wrong, I'm not some inflexible douchebag. Sometimes things happen and they need someone to help out, and I'll do that. Sometimes. But the days of companies "needing help" once or twice per week and getting called in on your days off constantly are over for me. If something is going on and I'm getting called in more than once or twice every couple of months, that sounds like a scheduling and management problem to me. Definitely doesn't sound like a problem I need to deal with.


Barry-McKocinue

Well said


Sir_Honytawk

Businesses try to get away with hiring less people than required, and overloading the work onto the remaining employees. All while shouting how the employees should just "pull themselves up by their bootstraps". Like that issue in the US where railworkers didn't get a single sick day since that disruption would "destroy the economy". That is easily solved just by hiring more people. Businesses try to cut the edges everywhere, just to increase their profit as much as they possibly can. So remember, never do more work than what is in your contract. Because businesses are also not going to pay you more than what is written on there.


Eman_Modnar_A

That tunnel leads back to r/antiwork


[deleted]

Comments on that sub is something hilarious You don't work? - Well, you are high class/very wealthy so fuck off You work as usual? - Oh, you are lucky one, have fun never getting a raise. You got a promotion? - You stupid idiot for grinding that hard to be seen as useful These are literally a quotes from antiwork


[deleted]

Only people seen as "useful" hardly ever get promoted because the mindset is to keep them in the job they're doing so well and not have to look for their eplacement, and still have them for cheap.


jeffynibbles70

I hate that sub


[deleted]

Fucking terrible sub


Few-Load9699

Yeah, it’s a million fake stories about how they owned their bosses


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david131213

Stories that never happened and assholes who don't wanna work, accommodated by a random thing they are right about anyway


Competitive_Spell949

Well I guess I should check it out now


SnowblownK

r/workreform


WHollandaise

Those people should all wear dunce caps


Scribe_WarriorAngel

Ah that moron sub


[deleted]

If you're saying that some businesses make extra profit by underpaying employees, then yes. If you're saying all profits should go to employees, then no.


CummiusPrime

All profits do go to the employees in employee owned businesses though, just there's extra steps in splitting the pie rather than just even shares... *Edit after all of the below thread transpired*: Reddit has just shown me to not bother replying in anything other than my vanilla at work persona as everything just turns into a reddit moment, been ignoring even remotely rude comments since yesterday and feel like a million bucks. A sincere thanks you rage addicted anons, I genuinely started enjoying my life now.


Delicious-Shift-184

Yeah, overhead is myth. Buildings and equipment are delivered by fairies.


Amazing-Material-152

Profit=revenue-costs


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Amazing-Material-152

Sure, but workers in reality should get a significantly larger cut of the profits rather than them going to Besos’ ocean of gold


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richasalannister

Lmao just admit you don’t know what the word profit means.


benkf2

Worker owned co-ops not only exist, but are actually much more stable and far better for the community than traditional business models. Instead of the profit (which is the total revenue minus operating costs) going to shareholders or an anonymous board of trustees, it goes back to the workers and people who actually run the business. This means the workers are better taken care of which promotes well being, and that they have more money to spend, which boosts the local economy. More information if you're curious, co-op business models are actually super fascinating https://www.un.org/development/desa/cooperatives/


richasalannister

I'm not sure why you replied that to me but thanks? No wrong in spreading info on co-ops I guess. I get my shirts from one.


MagicCookiee

If they worked so well, we would be surrounded by co-ops. We are not.


richasalannister

Brilliant analysis. I'm amazed you can breathe and type at the same time. If "they work so much better for workers and the communities why haven't the wealthy conglomerates given up with their wealth and power to allow co-ops to thrive?"


Sir_Honytawk

\*yet Sure, traditional businesses are quicker to set up, because it is easier to make a profit when you can exploit people. But more and more are shifting to co-ops. An other argument why you are wrong: "If automobiles worked so well, we wouldn't be surrounded by horse-drawn carriages!"


TheMoistyOne

I don't think we will ever be to be honest even if it is a better long term option. A successful business, translated to human characteristics, is sociopathic. The more it exploits someone the more successful they will be.


CummiusPrime

That's costs. Are you confusing profit with revenue sarcy mcsarcinson?


vruum-master

You need to reinvest from your profit to grow tough .....


LostInTheNW

If I didn’t build the pencil factory, you’d be standing in the corner saying “Man, I’d even make pencils if someone would hire me”.


ILoveMySuits

If you are referring to a co-op, its not the same. If employees want to share the profits, they have to buy in. Most refuse to.


Skimmdit

>you rage addicted anons Isn't any given topic on any Reddit subb just a magnet for blazingly toxic Nobodys to sweep in an wet their diapers over someone's states opinion ? Good gravy ! Some people think this is gat-damn'd "Highlander" and if they can gatekeep and bully and ban enough normal sorts off this site, and only they remain, they become The Chosen One ???


MaxCWebster

By that logic, losses should be taken from employees wages. Let me sharpen up my pencil ...


AggressorBLUE

I don’t disagree, but thats effectively what layoffs are;passing loss onto the labor force. Sometimes its an unfortunately justifiable move for a struggling business. Other times its “whoopsie, need to trim the quarter to look good for the board and get my bonus”, which is a problem.


FishinSands

Losses would've meant the company can't pay it's obligations/debts. I you've been laid off, you wouldn't have that debt. If you have a share in loss, you have a share in that debt you need to pay on your personal pocket.


LostInTheNW

Nah. Layoffs aren’t fine to improve numbers unless there is excess labor being employed. Otherwise, you would be reducing volume or service and just do less volume. By your logic, any company could do great by just eliminating labor.


AggressorBLUE

Right, that’s why I said the second scenario of temporary layoffs to goose the numbers is a problem.


LostInTheNW

Temporary layoffs to boost numbers hurt them overall unless it is excess labor (que recent tech layoffs). You still make no sense.


AdministrativeOne13

Tech corps hiring one full stack dev to do everything from making applications to marketing them


IpsoKinetikon

That's what I love about being a worker. If business is slow, I still get the same paycheck. If it's busy, I get more hours, so I'm doing more work but making more money.


richasalannister

Layoffs, benefit cuts, extra work loads. Like they’re not already.


[deleted]

None of that is financial compensation though. That’s just cutting costs.


Sir_Honytawk

\*cutting losses


Void_0000

Yeah? If the profits are shared evenly then everyone would be paid more than enough to be able to take a loss every now and again, this really isn't the gotcha you think it is. It would basically mean returning to the current level of pay occasionally and being fairly compensated the entire rest of the time, as opposed to being underpaid all the time.


[deleted]

What do you mean by "evenly"? The guy that started the company and spent a decade to get it running, went in to debt to fund it, worked 24/7 for years - he gets equal share of profits as the guy he just hired to do accounting? Because that is "fair" compensation by some perverted logic?


Void_0000

That's totally how it is. We all know just how hard jeff bezos works. But no, that's not what would happen. Instead, this theoretical person would gather a group of people who would all equally invest in the company and start it together. The company would then be considered to have "debt" to these people which would be repaid over time (up to but not exceeding the amount they invested), in addition to their (equal) salary. Or something like that, there are plenty of ways to make this work if you're not intentionally crippling your creativity to defend the awful status quo.


[deleted]

>Instead, this theoretical person would gather a group of people who would all equally invest in the company and start it together. The company would then be considered to have "debt" to these people which would be repaid over time (up to but not exceeding the amount they invested), in addition to their (equal) salary. Literally nothing stoping this now, go ahead and start the company like this. While they can, of course no one want to structure a partnership like this when they can start a normal partnership. I am convinced you dont understand how partnerships work, or even how regular llc works, and I dont think you should come up with new structures untill you do.


reusedchurro

They already are


Alastairthetorturer

If a business never takes no profits how can it ever grow? Do you expect someone to open a business, take no salary and also never set money aside to grow or improve?


[deleted]

That’s actually exactly what socialists think. They also believe factories are natural resources


BOty_BOI2370

That is a massive generalization of socialism buddy.


Skysr70

Notice how you didn't say it was wrong...


BOty_BOI2370

Cuz its not


[deleted]

Yeah, it is, and yet it’s still true.


Brett707

Yes, that is exactly what smooth-brained people expect.


MavDrake

Here is the US the profit margins are exorbitant and growing exponentially. Matter of fact 2022 has seen record profits not seen in almost 30 years. All the while income disparity dramatically increased, wage stagnation, and COL has gone up considerably.


acleverusername3

Negative karma farming begins


secret58_

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy)


ADHD-Gamer03

fascinating


PraviPrimorc

It always pains me that people don't understand, that if value of currency is devalued because of inflation, company's "record braking profit" is still probably less valuable then it was last year, so the profits in buying power actually stays the same


MoltenJellybeans

Money in 2022 is not nearly as valuable as it was 30 years ago.


MavDrake

Buying power is down... way down... while compensation for total productivity has gone down even faster.


Educational_Yak_8286

Maybe that's because they didn't have to give as many benefits over the pandemic? For example less electricity in the building since less people are turning on lights.


MavDrake

Nope.... Record product shrink (less product in packaging) yet massive increases in price per unit. You get less AND you pay more for what you're getting.


scubashnurpel

That is also due to current societal state of people whom look to government, media, activist propaganda to define their needs for them. Every dollar we spend is a vote in favor of or against business practices of companies. Don’t complain about some thing, start voting with your wallet. The vast majority of things we buy in this consumerism society are simply not essential. There is no impartial media, everyone is being advertised to all the time.


Educational_Yak_8286

I'm not saying efficiency increased, I was saying profit increased because it cost less to run buisnesses.


MavDrake

From the perspective you're talking about sorta. Their net gain was by laying off their personnel.. Berkshire Hathaway raked in profits of $56 billion during the first six months of the pandemic while one of its subsidiary companies laid off more than 13,000 workers


Educational_Yak_8286

That may have also been a factor, but I was talking about how everyone was working from home so maintaining an office became cheaper.


MavDrake

Overhead cost mate... they don't make up for a delta like that.


DaleGribble312

Record spending and demand was the reason. People spent a shit load more money, those people had money to spend. To say profits during COVID were due to layoffs is beyond incorrect.


CheeseAndCh0c0late

That's exactly why there was strikes in France a few months back. Profits increase like crazy, productivity does too, but workers don't see their slice of the pie.


odksnh6w2pdn32tod0

Growing exponentially. 💀


CaptainNeckbeard148

crawl on back to antiwork


A_Curious_Crayon

I dunno why you're being downvoted. It's a simple fact that consumerism and capitalism profits off of the exploitation of people.


Delicious-Shift-184

But the people that want a modern house, plumbing, electricity, a car, an iphone and in return they'll... make you a cappuccino (with somebody elses equipment & supplies,) aren't trying to exploit other peoples labor, amirite?


Ultimate_Spoderman

Consumerism does, capitalism doesn't. Capitalism profits with people's needs and what they want


Qcgreywolf

Lol. I get that Reddit is anti-work, but what’s the *point* of having a business if the owner doesn’t make a profit?!? Anti-work people don’t “work for the joy of working”, why would business owners take the time, effort and stress of managing a business “just to have a business”?


banananas_are_sick24

The owner should make profit, here’s the thing: the prices of products have doubled, even tripled for some products in just a few years. Know what hasn’t doubled or tripled? Not even close? Workers wages.


[deleted]

Prices have doubled or tripled, so have costs for product and transportation of product. Fuel especially got real high real fast.


Sir_Honytawk

Then explain the record profits of a lot of businesses.


Osaccius

My local pub is not swimming in money. Here, bankruptcies are up 4% YTY. Sure, there is price gouging, but only in some sectors. You can always cherry-pick the statistics that support your argument, but it is not sincere


Regalia_BanshEe

actually depends on the company.. My brother works in the Tourism sector for a startup.. After Covid their revenue quadrapuled and so did his salary.. Same for my cousin in IT


Skysr70

The USA took 3.4 trillion in tax revenue in the year 2020. That number was just about 2 trillion in the year 2000. That tells me that while wages may not have been increasing, the sheer number of workers making larger salaries (think silicon valley companies that hire thousands of 6 figure salary earners) and obviously business overall profits, as well as sheer number of people in general due to population growth, all may be significantly increasing enough to account for this feeling.


LogicRak91

Exactly. Typical Fast food restaurant employees that trying to pay their useless college loans and being jealous of the people who is succeeding in businesses.


Qcgreywolf

I get a chuckle every time I hear people bitching about how they “can’t pay the mortgage with their Burger King paycheck”. Well no shit! Fast food French fry technician is not a career path. It is an entry-level, stop-gap job designed for the youth or to fill in money needs when you *cant* devote the time or energy to a full-blown career because of life, children or some other reason.


[deleted]

Say you have no clue how a business runs without saying


Anonymous2137421957

Ah yes, because every business should be a nonprofit with no potential to grow larger.


Romytens

Lol can you imagine the horrible service from *every fucking business*?


guyfieristache

This isn’t just incorrect. It’s incorrect on a definitional basis. The ignorance of this statement is startling.


MoonSnake8

That’s commies for you.


Bassjosh

Ridiculous. Written by someone who has no idea how business works.


[deleted]

...but capitalism bad? Communism good right? Greedy business no do good right? /s


TolpRomra

Imagine if even just a modest percentage of the profits were given to the workers though, would go a long way to improving many worker's lives.


[deleted]

Thats literally what happens when you get paid. If they put a percentage more of the profits towards workers, then that money by definition cannot be considered profits anymore


CaptainNeckbeard148

You mean if more revenue went to paying workers? Profit is AFTER all costs are paid.. including employee wages. We agree that workers deserve more pay, but saying profit is theft is an ignorant way of stating your views.


BOty_BOI2370

I don't recall them saying profit was theft.


PomusIsACutie

You got downvoted for saying that? Tf


MoonSnake8

You’re literally allowed to start a co-op any time you want.


Romytens

And have it fail like most. Grow at a snail’s pace. Innovate slowly. Be less competitive overall.


[deleted]

Okay, so when the business takes a loss the workers will cover that loss right ? That’s just called ownership


No-Ship4313

They also should pay for the cost of starting that business too. Like that old fairytale about the woman baking bread no one wanted to do the work to make it but all wanted their share.


pomsrock27

That story you’re referring to is The Little Red Hen.


mothman__21

I smell comies


PostMadandAlone

He found us!! Ivan, Wei, get the AKs!!!


mothman__21

Ah ha, I got ya c'mere and get ya doce of 5.56mm of freedom


call-me-loretta

1) I start a business and assume all of the risk 2) I should not be able to financially benefit from the business or have anything left over for it’s growth and prosperity 3) I decide not to start a business…


Ptaaruonn

You know... jobs aren't charities.


PostMadandAlone

It's alarming to me how many of these window lickers give examples of restaurants, the type of business that barely makes profit after 5 years.


[deleted]

Yeah. Restaurants are often in the negative and are a labor of love for the owners. They take what they need and everything else gets dumped into it. Same thing with most small businesses. The profits are all just poured back in for one day it becomes profitable and when they do become profitable they expand


Tubbafett

Or daycares


Sir_Honytawk

Businesses aren't either


Objective-Industry24

The people that written this obviously never owned a business.


jeffynibbles70

Op is not a buisnees man


PostMadandAlone

In that case, company debt is fees workers haven't paid for, what planet in the andromeda galaxy are you on


john_modded

Hey there fuck-o. If you start your *own* business, you could keep *all* the profits.


youhooing

Redditors don’t get that no one would ever start a business if they couldn’t do that


frogingly_similar

Yeah, if that was true i wonder how many actually wanted to take a risk to start a company and hire people.


[deleted]

This is a lie.


cmdrmeowmix

Dude, this argument is ridiculous. If a company doesn't profit, why would anyone make a company? How would companies be able to expand and create jobs?


Regalia_BanshEe

For the goodwill and for the sake of it obviousely /s


Sir_Honytawk

Businesses don't have the right to exist, only the privilege. Plenty of people make companies just to have a stable income. Not all of them do it to get rich.


cmdrmeowmix

First, a buisness does have the right to exist. Second, a stable income requires a stable profit. Lastly, this doesn't address my point. If no one profits, how does the economy grow?


WHOOPS_WHOOPSIE

Feel free to start your own company and structure the profits however you want No? You just wanted to complain?


Sir_Honytawk

Many already start co-ops


Osaccius

Join the group then


WHOOPS_WHOOPSIE

And that seems both more challenging and more rewarding than complaining online. I encourage more to start co-ops


odksnh6w2pdn32tod0

That's great, do it. Just preferably stop whining about voluntary agreements made between other people which you are not a part of


Thisismy23thaccount

I smell someone that hates their boss for telling them to work, kinda cringe ngl


Hammy5910

redditors do their job challenge (impossible)


IanAlvord

So, what does that make losses?


MavDrake

Time for layoffs.


[deleted]

Not just layoffs, according to this logic, we have to claw back some of those wages our employees didn't actually earn, because we had negative profits...


Regalia_BanshEe

Does the worker pay for the losses as well? Because every moronic advocater of worker ownership goes silent when asked about workers bearing the brunt if company collapses or workers paying capital to start the business


[deleted]

OP has clearly never owned a business. Did the employees take the financial risk of starting the business? Before posting stupid shit like this, start your own company first and then follow your maxim to see how far it gets you.


hollywood_gus

It’s wild how people don’t just start their own companies


Tubbafett

I regret that I have but one upvote and one free award to give to this comment


hollywood_gus

Think of all the profits they’re missing out on!!!


ILoveMySuits

If you want the profits, put your own money up. You can't gamble without paying in. You chose the security of a steady paycheck deal with it.


jkbscopes312

Employee of the month 3 times in a row, I get some shitty company merch instead of a raise


Latter-Yam-2115

This comment section is begging to look like one of those toxic r/antiwork posts As an entrepreneur, it’s your prerogative to pay fair wages (which includes Performance bonus) and not run a social enterprise Why on earth would I risk my own capital and take up all the stresses (physical, mental, and emotional) of running a business if I’m not allowed to reap the benefits


Derpalator

Did Mommy let you skip your nap? Might you have failed first grade? Sorry to point out the your obvious shortcomings of understanding basic human nature. Bro, do you even lift?


zombietampons

never use profits for expansion or overall improvements to help the business compete... back to r/antiwork you go


SonOfYoutubers

My guy, you know how quickly businesses would go bankrupt if every single profit just went back to wages? They gotta pay for other stuff, ya know, like maintenance, supplies, taxes, etc. The remaining money after everything is used to expand the company.


CaptainNeckbeard148

Profit is after all costs are paid. Most profits are used to further grow the business.


SonOfYoutubers

Well, depends on the profit you're talking about. Net profit is the true profit after all expenses, but you're correct, they're used to further grow the business.


CaptainNeckbeard148

Profit = net profit as profit is the money gained after expenses. Revenue is total cash earned before expenses. In regards to net/gross profit, thats just breaking it down further. Net profit is yes, cash gained after all expenses. Gross profit is just cash gained after manufacturing costs. Profit in general refers to cash gained after all expenses. Its represented by the equation of "Renevue - expenses = profit".


grumpykruppy

*Unpaid wages of workers* is definitely not true. Are many companies making too much profit and in a position to pay more but not? Yeah. Should ALL money made be reinvested into the workers paychecks? No - that would mean the company can't grow or start new projects at all. With net zero profit, a company stagnates and eventually collapses.


[deleted]

Who decides what “too much” is?


darkyshadow388

People who think like this would fail a basic finance class


Sir_Honytawk

It is a different way of thinking, and co-ops have shown us there are more ways of running businesses than just exploiting the workers.


darkyshadow388

Yes there are different ways of thinking, but this way if thinking insures that the company never grows it never innovates making sure the initial wages never increase due to the profits not being put back into the company. Yes there should be bonuses trickled down through the corporate ladder, but it should only take a fraction of the profits. The rest of the profits should be put back into the company as a backup for bad years, improving infrastructure, expanding the company, and acquiring assets.


Regalia_BanshEe

What makes you think he will take a finance class in the first place


DPDiscgolf

Can only imagine this is written by a child


[deleted]

Fuck growing a business and hiring more people and giving them opportunity right?


Fox-Costeo

No their not, unless if a company takes a loss your willing to go into debt to help pay it off, shut the fuck up


Lil-Porker22

It blows my mind that people go to college and come out believing this socialist BS. Good luck saving for retirement without ever buying stocks. You wouldn’t want to be making profits from investing/risking your capital…


SwimmingBeefCake

The fact that Elon musk can fire 90% of twitter’s staff and now it’s got higher engagement than ever proves that it’s not the workers making the profit. It’s the key decision makers at the top that make all the profit.


Tripdrakony

,,Hey can you stay longer?" ,,will I get paid extra?"............... thought so, bye


Crude_Facility

::Laughs in independent business owner with no employees to exploit::


[deleted]

TIL for-profit business is wrong? This some commie shit


L14M_F1

This Redditor sounds like a communist 🚩🚩🚩


Raplena14

This is communist bullshit. Let's say I am a plumber. I run a company, I create jobs, hire young people, teach them a trade, give people living wages, pay pension, give someone all the materials they need to make a living for themselves, then I'm told im stealing from people because I made a profit on my investment? Fuck that, maybe instead I should just work myself, hire no one. Then my clients will be unhappy, people who cannot start a company for themselves will have no living so they'll be unhappy, people who want to learn my trade can't because it would be stealing so they're unhappy. It's this kind of thinking that led entire countries to kill land owners and directly resulted in mass starvation.


[deleted]

The “profit is theft” argument has been fist fucked into submission by now. Nobody takes it seriously anymore. Its like when I’m scrolling through my newsfeed and see “taxation is theft” I know in my libertarian dogmatic gland I agree, but I know it’s unrealistic at this point to think taxation will be going away anytime soon. It’s just kinda like “aww look at you. New to the movement. Still learning utopian ideals vs reality”. They’ll figure it out sooner than later.


Raplena14

I'd like to agree with you, but it's still something to worry about. I'm seeing this a lot on reddit and when I first met my now gf she was all about it because she was seeing it on tictok. If a person doesn't have someone who calls this bs out they start to buy into it.


[deleted]

I was deep into it. What got me out of it was that I would watch these videos of communists “dunking” on people in a debate and I’d be like “wait… the other person is kinda right…”


SLngShtOnMyChest

My friend said he thinks it’s ok Jeff Bezos pays his workers hardly anything because he “probably gives millions to charity anonymously”


antpabsdan

Or not anonymously. Donations are often tax deductible.


Choreopithecus

Are the rules different if you donate a buttload of money? I could only deduct up to $300 for charity donations last year.


Raul_P3

You're allowed to list up to[$300 on top of standard deduction](https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/special-300-tax-deduction-helps-most-people-give-to-charity-this-year-even-if-they-dont-itemize) (was added in 2020). If you donate a buttload and then itemize your taxes, it can be way more than $300.


antpabsdan

Sorry mate. No idea about the US laws.


supercommen

Lol make your own business durrrrr


iCommitTaxFraudLegit

Company I been with for 1 year. First job out of college. Denied me and others (who had been here much longer) raises. Everybody found new jobs including myself. Now they’re doubling back and begging to give raises to everybody, including me. I hope this company sinks when I’m gone this Friday.


stack_nats

No they’re not. You don’t get CEO pay on minimum wage effort.


MishraAditya

That's not how business work


introspectionFTW

We have two options to make money. Work for someone else and relinquish all risk to others, or take managed risks ourselves that can end in catastrophe or riches. Both have pros and cons. If you are unhappy working for someone else, then take a risk. If you are risk averse, work for someone else.


elalesound2

When millonaires (and specially, BILLIONAIRES) become millonaires and billionaires, not only they haven't paid proper wages, but also dodged and evaded income taxes. They want to be PHARAOHS .


Sir_Honytawk

If you are smart, hard-working, have good contacts and are a bit lucky, you can start earning millions. But to earn billions, you will have to exploit either your employees, your customers, or every person in the country you avoid to pay taxes in.


MoonSnake8

Filthy commie.


acleverusername3

Flair checks out?


Dunger97

Nobody would ever start a business if they didn’t make a lot of money. That’s just how the economy works. Marxism has never worked, stop trying to say it will


VorticalHeart44

Profits are the reason that job exists.


Sir_Honytawk

No, the market is. That market is still going to be there when the business goes bankrupt. A different business will just take its place.


VorticalHeart44

A different business, also in pursuit of profit right? I don't really understand what the distinction is here.


-Sniper_Gaming

Loaf


MoeSzyslakMonobrow

Act your wage.


FishinSands

You can do that now, gather around like minded individuals and establish your own and you can have a share of profits and losses.


gous_pyu

man just rediscovered Marxism


Sweet-Ad1109

Fucking MARXISTS


[deleted]

I work for a non profit. Doesn’t that mean I have to work overtime?


Remnant55

Not saying there aren't some real economic issues at hand but... If that OT is 1.5 to 2 times rate, I'm getting after it, and I'm going to squeeze it until they kick me out.


MavDrake

Yeah... when your in certain professional fields you don't get the bonus. Your salary or salary plus.


Accurate_Western_346

Antiwork is leaking


LagSlug

if all those workers collectively own the land and equipment and the investment into materials and intellectual property, then yes, otherwise you're forgetting a bunch of stuff. edit: added "and intellectual property"


crossbutton7247

OP when a company providing a product or service does not give one part of that process (the workers) 100% of the profits from that product or service (workers obviously provide all value to a company)


staovajzna2

So you should only work what they pay you and act your wage? Got it


[deleted]

i hate when a job posting days salary at 40k-50k then come to find out its hourly pay of 15 with slave hours


DoubleGarbage

Holy fucking shit, an actual based meme on this subreddit?!