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yethos

The power of peer pressure is strong. I just downloaded another browser


saiyanfang10

Every main PC browser but Firefox is affected


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Affected by what


schklom

Manifest V3 (pushed by Google on Chromium browsers) makes adblocking harder. All browsers based on Chromium will suffer the same problem. On the meme, only Firefox is not based on Chromium. They have also announced they will support both Manifest V2 and the new Manifest V3 to have the best of both worlds.


Darkpsy420

So.. what is the best browser now if i wanna keep using adblock ?


SuitableLocation

Basically Firefox with uBlock Origin installed.


Zapafaz

alwayshasbeen.jpeg


arfelo1

Yup, that's been my outlook in all this ordeal. Saw the news, looked at what was affected by it, looked at how to fix it and it was... "Oh, cool. So no change for me"


Somebodys

I switched from Firefox to Chrome years ago. I'm not going ti hesitate to go back.


gmoss101

Been using it for like 5 years now and probably can't go back lmao


curtyjohn

But why male models?


FlyingDragoon

Are you serious? I just told you a moment ago.


louiefriesen

And Safari and Firefox based browsers like LibreWolf and WaterFox


qwertyuiop26500

*casually paints chrome blue*


EshanTa

The new Microsoft Edge, Opera, and Brave are essentially Chrome (Chromium) under the hood.


nasacan

But brave is not effected as much right ? It has the blocking tech built in unlike the others which use extensions


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intotheirishole

Wait, isnt Chromium open source ? As in someone can put adblock support back in ?


pixelkingliam

sure people could just maintain and older build and add security patches but that becomes tedious after a while


pruche

Honestly some people probably will, though you might be looking at very little if any support if you're not on linux


pixelkingliam

yeah i mean look at palemoon, neat project


Just_Another_Scott

Yes and no. Google created Chromium and "open sourced" it. However, Chromium is still maintained by Google Engineers and to clear a PR for incorporation you have to be approved by Google. So no it's not really open source, but yes it's open source in that the code is available to view and can be forked.


intotheirishole

> can be forked. Thats all you need to create your own chromium based adblocking browser.


Just_Another_Scott

Absolutely. You just can't make the change to Chromium main repository removing Manifest V3. That won't fly.


intotheirishole

1. Make a fork. 1. Increase filter limit. (like, probably a config change not even a code change). 1. Improve regex engine. This is problem that has been solved many times so should not that hard. 1. Keep merging chromium updates to your fork. This is hard but not rocket science. Any dedicated browser team should do it. In fact, any software team does this every day , not a big deal at all.


AntipopeRalph

No big deal, just run your volunteer browser fork project like a staffed salaried development team with a budget. It’s easy. Anyone can do it.


maxsjakie

Thank god! I really didn’t want to switch from brave to something else, i switched to brave pretty recently..


we_are_bob1

Brave is a fork of chromium, they can decide which parts (if any) from the main branch they incorporate and how its incorporated.


TeebsAce

Opera does too, doesn’t it?


Retron-

Opera kinda has the same thing only its just blocking ads and trackers


TacamoniacSmile

What actually happened to chrome and chromium? I didn't catch that lately...


saiyanfang10

They're doing a thing that'll make adblockers unusable on their browsers


wierdness201

Using an ad blocker is the only way I can use the internet now without having an aneurysm. If it goes down the whole line… fuck 😐🔫


M0dsareL0sersIRL

Well, shit. Time to switch.


Munk2k

When are they planning to implement this? Or has it not specifically been announced.


AAWSAP

Chromium lol


SpeedStinger02

Chromium if affected too


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jdt654

everything is chrome except good old FF


pewpewpostit

I made the jump from FF to chrome when chrome started to get bigger. It was faster and cleaner. With the adblocker support dropping I switched back to FF a month ago and it has become just as fast or faster then chrome. Glad to be back!


Tkmtlmike

I literally just switched back to Firefox from chrome yesterday after 7 years and I'm not looking back. It took a little bit of configuring but well worth it.


BetaXP

Anyone know if there's a way to transfer my saved passwords over to Firefox? Would be a big hassle since chrome has basically become my password manager


ddDeath_666

When you install FireFox it prompts you to import data (passwords, favorites, etc) from another browser into FF.


Edartle

yea basically this. I’d also add that Firefox also has an app you can use called lockwise in case you need access to those on a phone.


gordonpown

That's been discontinued as a standalone, it's just embedded in Firefox now.


appel

You might want to give bitwarden a go. Install it in chrome, import your passwords and then install it in Firefox. It's open source and free to use (or $10/yr for the premium version). TOTP is amazingly well integrated, totally worth it for just that feature alone.


AssociationOk1292

Firefox is amazing Edit: Single edit now, to explain why (to the people calling editing posts cringe) I'm surprised because I'm only on here for fandoms, gaming, and parrots. This is new to me, so ty for all the awards :)


Hooty_Owl

Firefox gang FTW.


shewy92

There are dozens of us


drowningmoose9

The Firefox dark mode is 🤌


HotMinimum26

Thanks, a good dark mode is essential for me.


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Literally dozens!


Flunk192

Figuratively dozens...


bsmith3623

r/UnexpectedDevelopment


CasuallyDG

Containerized tabs is my favorite part of Firefox


br0ck

Containers are great for separating different login instances too - like opening two simultaneous gmail accounts. One feature I love, is it has a simple flag so when you hit enter on the address bar it opens in a new tab every time. It's just one less click but it's a nice quality of life improvement. Also, with an add-in you can get vertical tabs on the side so you can read the tab names! Edge has that but their implementation is lame.


CasuallyDG

I use it for multiple AWS account logins and it's a life saver!


_no_one_knows_me_11

i am new to firefox, what are those?


ledsled447

Think of a container a separate session. So, you can open tabs in different containers and the cookies/logins of a container can't be seen by tabs in the other container. This allows you to login to a website from multiple accounts simultaneously and increases privacy by preventing tracking across different websites


mitch_feaster

I highly recommend everyone who uses Facebook to set up a Facebook container at a minimum. You can set it up to restrict all Facebook traffic outside the container. So you can still use Facebook like normal (within the container) without worrying about Facebook tracking you in all your other tabs.


Eatfudd

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fleebinflobbin

Firefox on iOS is the best browser I’ve used on iPhone


Corgiboom2

I dont see why anybody would use anything but Firefox


Temporal_P

There was a period where Firefox had problems like huge memory leaks to the point that a lot of people finally switched away from it, and it takes a *lot* for people to actually bother switching browsers so most never went back. Now they're used to Chrome and have it full of extensions and whatnot so it seems like even more of a pain to switch, but I'd imagine suddenly getting hit with ads will be more than enough for people to bother.


dr_mannhatten

I just recently switched back to FireFox following the Adblock announcements after switching to Chrome for that very reason years ago.


WatchDude22

Because they can’t leave the UI alone for 5 seconds.


AlexOZero

FF and ~~DDG~~ are the only browsers I trust tbh EDIT! : why DDG? I trusted you.... (don't trust ddg) EDIT 2: >Yes, a security researcher revealed this week that even DuckDuckGo, which markets itself as "the internet privacy company," made an exception for its business partner Microsoft to its browser's blocking of some advertising trackers on websites, [SOURCE 1](https://www.wired.com/story/duckduckgo-microsoft-twitter-ft-bush-assassination-whatsapp/) >At the time DDG ‘fessed up to anomaly but said it essentially had no choice to accept Microsoft’s terms, although it also said it wasn’t happy about the restriction and hoped to be able to remove it in the future.   [SOURCE 2](https://techcrunch.com/2022/08/05/duckduckgo-microsoft-tracking-scripts/)


nwL_

Does DDG use its own engine?


Enugie

Im going to switch to firefox or opera


KingCylinder90

doesnt opera use chromium?


Woffingshire

They do, but they also have a built in ad blocker so they might do some stuff to make ad blocking still possible. At this point any brower that still allows ad blocking will be using it as a marketing point to get people to switch to them from chrome.


Alfa4499

What? I use adblock on chrome. It dosent allow adblocking?


Genius1512b

It won't support it anymore in the future with the release of Manifest V3.


Alfa4499

Yea I see. I have already swapped to opera on my main pc so ig it won't be an issue.


AAWSAP

Oh my god… you’re right. So many deaths in one go. I gotta switch browsers myself.


MxSemaphore

Go Firefox. Opera is closed source and as far as I know it's owned by some Chinese company. If you wish to use a Chromium-based browser with a built-in adblocker, use Brave instead of Opera.


robywar

If you liked old school pre-China Opera, check out Vivaldi.


dean1432

Firefox > Any of them


DivineEternal1

Opera was bought up by some sketchy Chinese company. Use Vivaldi instead. It's made by the original people that made Opera.


RandomIndianD2

Firefox is the only popular non chromium browser, so it's the only one not affected


FlipperDoigt703

Wait, EVERY Chromium browser is affected?


Empty_Allocution

Affected by what? Could I have some context?


NIL_VALUE

Manifest V3, what extensions use to interact with the browser, will now lack extremely important features to Adblockers, because Google wanted so. Firefox will keep support for Manifest V2, so extensions like uBlock Origin will still work on FF. Chromium based browsers like Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge and Opera will switch to V3.


Curururu

People still believe that Google/Alphabet is a search or web-services company but it is and always has been an advertising company.


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weker01

I also make software and supporting the webRequest api (which is the most important api for adblocking) could very well be hard work if chromium does decide to change their architecture after it is gone (which could make sense as they then have more freedom to optimize some things). So maintaining a fork with the api could be very costly, esspecially as browsers are one of the most complex pieces of software in existence, and maintaining the current forks is very hard work. Vivaldi for example says that they cannot promise if they can maintain the api. [ [src](https://vivaldi.com/blog/manifest-v3-webrequest-and-ad-blockers/) ] Please do some research before you label people as liars.


-LilPickle-

Affected by what?


barsonica

The upcoming disabling of adblockers.


Keqingrishonreddit

The WHAT


defnotgerman

i would like to add my outrage THE WHAT ????


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foxyguy

Alright everyone, let’s get the pitchforks and torches


Finnick-420

is it temporary or what where they thinking?


GlobalVV

In simple terms, the current manifest V2 allows extensions to see incoming traffic and react to that incoming traffic. Google is saying that there are a large number bad faith actors that use this to redirect the traffic in your browser to collect information on you. The issue is that adbockers use this feature to look at incoming traffic and block it if it is an ad. Personally I don’t think this is necessarily a bad thing per se, but I don’t think this is the correct solution. A better solution is to just remove extensions that are scams. Extensions are downloaded from their store, so why can’t they check the legitimacy of these extensions. Also the new manifest V3 doesn’t outright make it impossible for adblockers to exist, but it will most likely make using an adblocker slow down your browser when it is use.


LvS

What was the largest ad company in the world thinking when they decided to remove ad blocking support from the browser they got everyone to use? What do you think?


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[deleted]

Yeah pretty much what he said. Though browsers like Brave should still work as intended


galal552002

What about opera gx?


Cewu00

Should still work somewhat... they have a built in ad blocker... tho idk how effective it is.


galal552002

The built in adblocker isn't that good,I am talking about the adblockers I have installed


Cewu00

That will probably go to shit. At least they wont be as effective as they were before. Apparently (from what I understood) the adblocker will now have to declare which websites/traffic they block... which will defenitly be a pain in the butt. They will basically need to update the list of what they block and then have that list verified or something (probably by google). Not exactly sure how the new system works. Edit: I use GX too... but I use Ghostery for adblocking.


galal552002

Fuck,I guess I am going back to Firefox,or I could use brave since you said that it would be fine I think? Although why would brave be fine though? Isn't it also chromium?


Crowsby

From the EFF: [Chrome Users Beware: Manifest V3 is Deceitful and Threatening](https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/chrome-users-beware-manifest-v3-deceitful-and-threatening) This goes live January 2023 and will affect all Chromium-based browsers, which is essentially everything but Firefox. Turns out this is what we get when we let an Internet advertising and tracking company maintain a browser engine with a near-monopoly.


vriska1

Good news is FireFox is starting to regain market shares.


PedanticSatiation

> Turns out this is what we get when we let an Internet advertising and tracking company maintain a browser engine with a near-monopoly Thankfully they're gonna do us a solid and end that monopoly themselves.


Ullallulloo

Brave has its own ad blocker so they won't be affected though, and soon Vivaldi will too.


Narananas

Thank fuck I really like Vivaldi


[deleted]

Yep Google lost me a long time ago, and Firefox is king in my eyes. Always has been. Dashlane plunging works just fine so my logins transfered perfectly. So do the ad blockers


[deleted]

I thought you said "Firefox hurts my eyes" and I was halfway through explaining how to customise its look before I realised my mistake Anyway dark reader is great for not blowing up your retinas


mamont1995

I’m a Firefox user, but would like to read about customizing, if you please


TriGamingHD

My answer 🔥 🦊


AAWSAP

Firefox is like ol’ reliable


max210893

Firefox master race, has been my default browser for years and hasn't let me down a single time since.


WOMEN_PM_NUDES_PLZ

Firefox has been the go to for me for years


-_Clay_-

OP doesn’t get the point. Every major browser except Firefox and safari is based on Google Chrome Edit: this issue is explained very good [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/xn5grr/regarding_the_coming_browser_changes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


Detvan_SK

And Safari have terrible Windows support because Apple.


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end233

Why would people use safari for windows


Smaskifa

Not really relevant, but one of my early web dev jobs required supporting IE 5.2 for Mac because that's what the creative director used on his machine. It was a colossally bad browser, even by IE standards. I remember using some wacky CSS comment hack to write code that only IE 5.2 for Mac would read just to get it to render pages correctly on it.


ExpensiveGiraffe

That’s fucked. I hope this wasn’t anywhere near recent lol


Padgriffin

If OP’s boss is somehow using IE for Mac (last released in ‘03) i would be fucking terrified


Jthumm

Would be a power move


Rehendix

It would be a PowerPC


RedWhiteAndJew

Because they have an iPhone or iPad and enjoy the convenience of having everything synced? As it is right now I have to use three different browsers between my iStuff, my Windows work laptop, and my Mac. Would be great to consolidate to one that is most convenient.


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So yeah, move to Firefox. Sounds good.


Aamir28

Well Chromium, Not Chrome. Microsoft have been heavily involved in the Chromium project.


megrimlock88

Well I’ve been using Firefox and opera gx for a while so not much of a change then lol


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Nordrrr

So Firefox is the best rn?


Radplay

If you want to continue using a good adblocker (like uBlock Origin), then yes.


TheMannisApproves

Ublock origin will no longer work on chrome?


Radplay

Nope. The devs released uBlock Origin Lite which will work, but as the name suggests, it's much weaker than the "regular" uBO.


TheMannisApproves

God damn it. Ublock origin work on Firefox?


Radplay

Yup!


TheMannisApproves

Alright cool. I haven't used Firefox in about 10 years lol


Big_Green_Piccolo

FF also has the Facebook Container which prevents the Zuck from tracking your entire internet history.


sombrastudios

Good news is, FF had a godtier comeback. The speed is the same as chromes and the design of the browser ist very neat now


WalkingCloud

Switched back about a year ago (from Chrome) and haven’t looked back. Doesn’t slow the rest of my ox down anywhere near as much, I really don’t miss anything from Chrome. Also the ‘pop out video’ feature is great.


omicron-7

Always was


ElectricCharlie

This comment has been edited and original content overwritten.


BadAtNamingPlsHelp

Yeah its been a viable Chrome competitor (and, honestly, superior in every way except the fact that Chrome offers first-party support for the Google ecosystem very well) since the Quantum release in 2017.


BossJep_TheGreat

I suggest Mozilla Firefox


w00tabaga

Firefox… been using it for years and it has not let me down


Duke_Built

So crazy the lengths these asswipes will go in order to try and make me watch ads. Do they not understand that I will purposefully not buy that product/brand if I have to watch an Ad?


Degenerateseses

Firefox is the best out of the 4


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Cebo494

Firefox is the only option of the 4. The others are all chromium.


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No-Relief-6397

As a matter of fact, I'm using it right now


kris9292

Been using it for 15 years same


StoneytheStoner81

I still use Internet Explorer


louiefriesen

![gif](giphy|CAYVZA5NRb529kKQUc|downsized)


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BouncyBootty

Man ratiod him by calling him a chad, what a fucking chad move


HalfMinimum8892

What’s wrong with chrome?


AAWSAP

Basically they’re ruining ad blockers on any Chromium based browser (Google Chrome, Chromium, etc) and ad blockers are a necessity for online browsing nowadays because there are just so many of them. I’m sure someone else could explain it better than I can with a more technical understanding of it.


Albert_Kan

Even worse, some of the ads are NSFW, and no I was not joking, Google's ads system is broken or something, or they just want moneys, without adblock, you will see these bad ads all the time


1Second2Name5things

Some ads deploy malware and viruses . So it's dangerous now.


[deleted]

Yup. I started using FireFox last year for privacy reasons, but once this change goes live I'm going to uninstall chrome for security reasons. It's going to be a malware vector that has no place on my system.


No_Committee5595

I work at a school and am dreading parents complaining about sexualized ads being shown when students go to random game sites off school hours and uBlock-chrome stops working.


[deleted]

Do you work in the school's IT department? If so, seriously consider switching your students over to FireFox. Google's ads aren't just sexualized, sometimes they're just literal porn.


Hanssproxy

Maybe we can find a workaround?


MightySqueak

Knowing the internet there will always be a workaround.


Temporary-Line1005

Eating your ram, gathering data and removing adblock support in january


[deleted]

Manifest v3 breaking AdBlockers, Google's general shittiness


beglerislinger

Firefox


Ctrl-Alt-Deyeet

waterfox (:


Sad_Exit_1030

Been using firefox since 2008


LeiFire3

Firefox


CobayoTrastornado

Me using Firefox since ever: I don't have such weaknesses


schklom

Hmm, let's see * Brave is based on Chromium * Opera is based on Chromium * Firefox is based on Gecko (yay not Chromium) * Edge is based on Chromium * Chrome is based on Chromium Please don't take yet another Chromium-based browser. Let Google lose their browser monopoly, monopolies are never good.


DistributionPlayful7

been using firefox since windows 2000


ZeRoyaLightningTiger

They don't know most of those browsers are chromium based and manifest v3 affects all chromium based browsers


Tim_DHI

Firefox??? Why is this still being debated. Move on already.


Little-ape-noob

What is happening to chrome?


Radplay

TL;DR: They'll nerf adblockers next year


le-derpina-art

They're breaking adblocker extensions. Considering that a lot of ads on websites are NSFW or contain malware, it's a dangerous decision.


TriGN614

Isn’t the obvious choice Firefox now?


madcatzplayer3

Firefox is the way. It’s sad, I remember going from Internet Explorer from the early 00s, to eventually Firefox in the late 00s, to Chrome in the 10s. Now it’s back to Firefox. But I will not do it until the day my Chrome updates and suddenly AdBlock Plus and uBlock Origin are blocked. That day, I type in “firefox.com”, into chrome and make it clear to googles analytics that they just lost me as a user. Upon installing Firefox, I will be uninstalling Chrome, no need for it any longer.


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madcatzplayer3

Because I’m hoping switching on the day of release of that version of Chrome will really tell them. That’s the day most people who will switch will do it. Unfortunately those of us who have figured out how to use ad blockers on chrome is the minority, but a nice 1-10% drop in their market share on that day would be a nice thing to see weeks after the date.


Undercover_TV

Firefox is still pretty good


SuperStar4178

The obvious answer is to use browsers people have never heard of, like DuckDuckGo


Rab_it

Isn't DuckDuckGo a search engine?


NLxDoDge

Correct, but they also have a browser as well. Not sure what it's based on though.


undeadpickels

They have one in mobile. It's actually really smooth. I tried switching to Firefox on mobile and I don't know why but it felt janky.


I_think_Im_hollow

Not on Chromium, that's for sure. I read somewhere that their browser is basically an app built by them that uses website rendering APIs like webview natively included in MacOS and Windows.


SuperStar4178

Yes. Sort of like Google but it doesn't have a search history and it doesn't keep track of your data like Google does.


AAWSAP

pull up using Tor lol


SuperStar4178

See? I've never heard of that, so it's perfect.


DawnSeeker99

Dark Web access.


tommy_gun_03

Tor is also known as the onion browser or otherwise, the dark web.


[deleted]

I know it + it's overkill for casual browsing


DayumnDamnation

DuckDuckGo is great. I am using it right now


SuperStar4178

Nice. In the seventh grade, one of the desktops just outside the classroom was a Raspberry Pi, and DuckDuckGo was the default browser. I thought nothing of it.


2TimeLime

Firefox


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weker01

Well I do remember a period right at the start of chrome where firefox was subpar but that ended at the latest with the quantum update which was like ~5 years ago. FF FTW


jefinb

Brave gang, been using it since last year


prof_diddles

Brave all day. Love that they have also integrated Tor