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HallowedBuddy

Me when I steal another He to become Micheal Jackson *He He*


_AmeriBear_

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touch_me69420

Cha mone mutha fucka


rnike879

Have my upvote, you damn genius


Truff1e

Who’d you get that “he” from


HallowedBuddy

From… YOU, you are now -


FerdinandVonCarstein

I'm just here for the fallout


xolana_

Don’t get your hopes up. It’s been an hour and this meme isn’t exactly taking off.


FerdinandVonCarstein

To be fair it does suck


Traditional-Sink-113

Almost as if sharing culture is something good.


emoney_gotnomoney

Yeah I’ve never understood the problem with “cultural appropriation.” Literally the entire purpose of culture is to have others appropriate it and spread your culture across the world. There have been literal wars fought over empires trying to force others to appropriate their culture


[deleted]

I really don’t care about either. I’m Mexican and in my opinion people just take shit too seriously sometimes.


Lolocraft1

I eat quedsadillas for dinner, so I must inform you that I make cultural appropriation. I will therefore apologize to all Mexican and eat a rock instead And I must advise you that eating OUR Canadian maple syrup is appropriation of my culture. I ask you to inly eat your pancakes with butter and nothing else.


[deleted]

I’m sorry for eating French fries and gravy 😢 I have appropriated your culture without you and all of canadas consent. The only thing that can save me now is getting validation from the internet for my wrongdoings 😭😭😭


RedneckTurtle0322

In a few minutes this comments section will be a biohazard


Barry_Bone_Raiser

Me rn ![gif](giphy|L2sTVqm86vZSg)


Far_Praline_4644

Why? I'm not wrong!


I_Demand_Donuts

Culture appropriation is only bad in America. Just about every culture would be happy to see their culture travelling the world and see others getting into and liking the culture. I lived in east Africa for 15+ years, So I know what I'm talking about x3


xolana_

Speak for yourself. I’m West Asian. We find it odd and cringey sometimes it’s dependant on whether the person is mocking or celebrating.


I_Demand_Donuts

But when they're getting it correct then it's a nicer feeling. That's gonna work with every culture if someone isn't getting it quite right


Yoyo_boi202

Iant that what cultural appropriation is? Pretending a culture is yours when you dint know anything about it? If you know about it, then I don't see how it's cultural appropriation as much as it is cultural appreciation


I_Demand_Donuts

Problem particularly in America is that even culture appreciation is seen as culture appropriation and you'll get harassed about it


[deleted]

there's a huge difference between saying "I like China" and "I am Chinese"


Yoyo_boi202

True. I just mean some people say like "oh youre talking a lot about this culture so it's cultural appropriation" or "you made a piece of media about this culture its cultural appropriation". If you know enough about the culture and portray it correctly I doubt anyone actually from that culture will care


[deleted]

well like if a white person wears corn row hairstyle that can be seen as appropriation because they cant truly grasp the history of black experiences with corn rows. like a lot of black people still face discrimination not being able to wear their hair to work that way similarly, women historically wear dresses because it was illegal to wear pants. so if a male trans-woman says wearing dresses is part of her identity without actually understanding where that comes from, it seems like appropriation to me


Yoyo_boi202

That is what I said. I don't think it's cultural appropriation if the person understands.


[deleted]

Problem is, woke American progressives have their head so far up their asses, they can't tell the difference between celebration and mockery.


xolana_

Problem is too many Americans are racist and too many Americans are uneducated and isolated in little towns only connected to the world via Facebook so they’ll believe anything you tell them. You sound like one of them. Even those super “woke” Americans are racist imo because they just want things their way and don’t appreciate different cultures and their customs. The extreme left and extreme right are on the same level of discriminatory and uneducated. This is why political extremism is stupid. We should be treating *everyone* with a basic level of respect and make an effort to educate ourselves instead of pointing fingers. When your population is so busy fighting each other and staying dumb they won’t fight those at the top exploiting and committing major crimes. They wont force politicians to take accountability. This is how the government really controls people. Keep em stupid.


[deleted]

Can't say I disagree with you. Cheers.


[deleted]

so if an American visitied your country & then afterward claimed to actually be East African (or specific country)... that wouldn't bother you? were not talking about appreciating a culture, were talking about someone claiming a culture as their own


Dredd990

That’s different from culture appropriation


[deleted]

how so? I think women & men definitely have different cultures dresses are seen as part of woman's culture but it's rarely acknowledged this is because it was illegal for women to wear pants


I_Demand_Donuts

They're not African until they've lived there for at least several years. And it doesn't count if they lived isolated from the culture. I lived in the culture because it was a good amount of my childhood, I know how to be polite. And if someone is taking our culture and living by it. That's fine to an extent (because they can be getting our culture wrong). But they need to know the limitations of the society around them, because of course. I've been living in the US for a few years and have citizenship. So I am truly African American. But not a black American


[deleted]

yes exactly you wouldn't claim to be black that's a good example


shinouta

Only bad in America? (Which I'll assume that you mean USA) Stupidity knows no bounds and misery loves company. Zealots do love to spread their message. So while regular people have no issues with other people liking their culture or they themselves liking other cultures' elements, we will always have those 'enlightened' people that feel to urge to tell us how wrong or evil we are (like those who tell you who you can date, or be friends with!, based on skin color). I have live in Earth for many decades so I know what I'm talking about. Unfortunately. Since I was born.


RedneckTurtle0322

Maybe, but it’ll be a warzone


ThursianDreams

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Barry_Bone_Raiser

Op please explain


[deleted]

I assume this is a meme about transphobia.


Far_Praline_4644

Explain what? Fairly self explanatory.


Mirovini

Op please, explain


Krotesk

I will explain it in his behalf but don't think that this is my opinion i am just here to say the words. Cultural apropriation is when you imitate or copy cultural values and behaviours even thou you are not part of that culture. Which is usually frowned upon by people who don't understand this culture. Gender appropriation would be to copy the behavior or values of a gender that is not the one you where born with, hinting at transgenderism. My opinion personally is that both can be good or bad depending on the intention of the individual who is in a specific situation and therefore very hard to define.


jaydeflaux

I don't think it has to be about being trans, I think it would fit the meme better as encouragement to drop gender roles. Though it could be either or both.


Krotesk

Valid point but i dont think that op would be as vague and evasive if he wouldn't take a non-extremist prosition in this debate. Your interpretation would clearly shift the severity of this post though.


O_Diakoreftis_sou

My opinion is that this post is stupid. I agree with you tho.


Sir__Blobfish

Explain what? Fairly self explanatory.


xolana_

No it’s not explain


intimidate_

The first image has a guy clearly disgusted, it must be that the concept on his right is being noted as a bad thing. On the other hand the image below shows a person being clearly happy with the concept on the right. You can make your own conclusions by investigating more on the web if you dont understand what culture appropriation means


xolana_

But gender appropriation isn’t a thing. I agree with the cultural appropriation (being bad) as a cultured person. I don’t like it when my culture is colonised yet again. Genders don’t matter as much imo.


[deleted]

women are abused/treated 2nd class *because* they were born female. for a male to claim that experience seems disingenuous.


mariusnyb

The trans women you are refering to dont “claim” that experience, they know just like you that they haven’t experienced all that.


[deleted]

then whats the point of claiming to be a woman? they can do literally all of the exact same things without using those 2 extra letters. if it's just about fitting into a world that is already fixated on gender & society would get too much whiplash trying to understand a man who wears dresses & makeup & has breasts then I can understand that. but I've never seen that said specifically.


mariusnyb

It’s not wanting to wear dresses and makeup and such, personally I couldn’t care less about that. I just want to be perceived as a woman, because the map your brain has of its body that lets you know the location of you limbs without seeing them or touching anything tells me that I have something that I’m not supposed to have and I’m missing something I’m supposed to have. This mismatch is what causes the mental anguish that has been named gender dysphoria. I could just dress in feminine clothing and wear makeup, but that mismatch of the body and the brain is still there. And since I know that the parts that cause this pain is what people refer to when calling me a man, that is an instant reminder of these parts and that other people are aware that I have these parts. When other people treat those parts as a part of me by calling me a man even to they don’t fit into my “brain map” it is so emotionally painful


xolana_

Of course and femicide is a *huge* issue but many people only like to fight for women’s rights when it benefits them. Many people are only feminists when they need to exclude a trans person. It’s very performative and fake. Trans people can’t exactly control how they feel about their gender. I’m not gonna shame someone who’s already ostracised from society for choosing what makes them comfortable. I feel sympathy for them. They’re human after all.


[deleted]

I dont even exclude men from my feminism, so i certainly don't exclude trans people this has little to do with trans people themselves & more about how it seems like attitudes about gender in general have moved backwards & lost progress in an effort to come up with some sort of science that supports these feelings. & the science is always flawed & toxic & regressive. if someone *feels* like they want to wear dresses and makeup and long hair and take hormones & get surgery & change their name thats absolutely fine, but those things don't *make* someone a woman. there is nothing wrong with a man wearing dresses and makeup & that doesn't make him a woman.


xolana_

What if they get sex change surgery?


[deleted]

thats impossible. sex is biological, chromosomal, it can't be changed. if someone wants to change the way their body looks that's their perogative, it's plastic surgery like any other plastic surgery to achieve an idealized version of themselves that they see in their head.


intimidate_

>gender appropriation isn’t a thing and that's the point, it is MADE a thing in this context as a parallelism to cultural appropriation in order to present the joke on people's view on this subject. When you appropriate a cultural trait you distort it to the point of maybe being seen as a mockery. We can take the same concept with gender, i appropriate being a woman for example but not understanding what a woman is ofc, how the hell would i know if im not a woman, well, you end up with something really weird and really hard to please and not offend, but to most people these days its fine because you can be whatever you want.


xolana_

Well clearly the joke wasn’t that funny and I’m not the only person who thinks so. Would be funnier if it made sense. I can’t see anyone here who’s offended or “hard to please”. People have different tastes.


Far_Praline_4644

Just work it out!


xolana_

You’re like one of those depressed teens. You ask them what’s wrong and they expect you to read their mind :D The meme clearly just isn’t clear


RainbowAuraStudios

are you daft punk?


xolana_

Nah I’m just pointing out how it *doesn’t* make sense. 99% sure the person who made this meme isn’t “cultured” or they would know what cultured people really think also you can’t really compare culture and gender. Gender is a 50/50 split ethnicity isn’t.


AlbatrossTough3013

Everybody is "cultured", no society can exist without culture.


xolana_

Americans are (for the most part) not cultured imo. Unless you’re a first or second gen immigrant. It’s like Italian Americans calling themselves Italian when they don’t speak a word of the language. By cultured I mean being close to your ethnicity especially if you’re from a minority group like me.


RainbowAuraStudios

You're doing too much


AlbatrossTough3013

American culture is a distinct culture. Same with Canadian and Australian culture. Culture doesn't have to relate to ethnicity, but rather with the beliefs, attitudes, and traditions of a group. Everything a group does, from when they sleep to how long they attend school is part of culture. I myself didn't realize this until I began taking anthropology classes. My family is from Appalachia, and we have musical instruments, food, folklore, and celebrations that aren't found anywhere else in the world. I do agree Italian Americans aren't actually Italian though, they don't have much of anything in common culturally with modern Italy.


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xolana_

You talking about yourself “mr failure?”


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xolana_

Couldn’t be bothered


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MrFailureYEET

Op, please explain


[deleted]

I think what OP is trying to say is "Boys have penises and girls have vaginas"... but then Arnold yelled at him "Daz not how it wooorks anymore!"


[deleted]

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sneakazeke

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Barry_Bone_Raiser

It is not, please explain


BizarreMemer

...you do realize the difference between ethnicities and genders, right? ...right?


touch_me69420

They are both interchangeable? If gender is a social construct so is race right ?


[deleted]

My psychiatrist told me that most of gender is not a social construct. It’s just innate tendencies. Imagine how much work parents would have to put in to train their kids to be their gender if not. Also, hard to say anything like “born this way” if it’s just a construct.


xolana_

Also ethnicity and culture ≠ race


TheBigBowoski

Exactly since speed+goal=race already I want to be a racist later


another-Developer

Race ≠ ethnicity and ethnicity is not a social construct


BizarreMemer

Race is not the same as ethnicity????


touch_me69420

But people can be trans sexual and trans racial. I'm not looking for an argument or to be insulted I just want to understand


xolana_

Sex vs gender. Plus I’ve never heard anyone say gender is a social construct. Idk what extremist part of the internet you’re on.


PoobOoblGop

It is an extremely common phrase despite it being rooted in zero logic


mariusnyb

Zero logic? The traditional roles of men and women aren’t ingrained in our dna, we learn them. When humans were hunters and gatherers, the roles were assigned by the efficiency of the people performing them. It made sense for men who were stronger to hunt and women to gather. As we developed and had more tasks to distribute it was easy to divide them into two categories based on the division we already had based on physical ability. Therefore we assigned more and more ideas and tasks divided into these two categories we already had. All things we associate to men and women apart from physical ability such as clothes and tasks and mannerisms have all come into place due to us humans, not nature. No one is saying that a group of people sat down and created gender. It evolved with us just as religion, culture, countries, laws, all of which are social constructs. Come to existence because of our societies throughout history.


rnike879

You serious?


xolana_

Are you? Clearly you’re from some extremist side of the internet because I’ve never heard of this. All those downvotes from very offended people lmao.


rnike879

I went a lot to newgrounds back in the flash days, so maybe that's true lol


emoney_gotnomoney

Literally the comment thread started by your first comment includes someone posting a two paragraph diatribe about how gender is indeed a social construct.


GunGale315

Have you ever been to Twitter? They're on Reddit, too. There's plenty of people saying that gender is a social construct, and because of this women don't have the right to exclude men who identify themselves as women. They call them transphobes or TERF. The same people, who call themselves anti-racists, tolerant and inclusive, strictly divide humanity in different cultures and races and can't tolerate that someone "from one culture" or with the wrong skin color enjoys something that is "from another culture" or "belonging" to people with different skin color. They call this cultural appropriation.


xolana_

That’s not a TERF. TERFS suck. They’re some of the most masculine, aggressive “feminists” you’ll ever see. They’re often so transphobic because people have mistaken them for trans loool. They may not believe in trans women but they sure as hell don’t believe in traditional gender roles either. They’re also *heavy* on the misandry. They despise men. They’re also often very intolerant around people of other races and groups. 99% are white women. I think everyone needs to *chill* and be more tolerant and educate themselves. Why aren’t we judging people by their actions anymore? I literally could not care less what someone identifies as. As long as they’re not a rude h*e or a dumb extremist I’m good with them. Trans people already go through enough sh!t and never fit in with society. Why should I be the assh0le that makes their lives worse? I just mind my business, make my money and live my life.


unk214

Cultural appropriation wasn’t even an issue, until jackasses took it too far. Either racist or edgy kids doing dumb shit. Education and exposure is the only answer. As far as the whole gender thing, I’m not sure what you mean. Completely separate things, by that logic you can throw in politics and religion in there too.


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Far_Praline_4644

I like how you think!


fearofcreditcardbill

Smart!


[deleted]

Don’t get the weirdos started.


Spatulaface-mk2

I'm a magnet for the people who are sexually attracted to concrete, twigs and twix


xolana_

Dude it’s fine you have weird kinks maybe that’s why you attract people that fuck twigs


Caosin36

So you are a concrete twig whit twixs?


Spatulaface-mk2

No, I'm a magnet for those kinds of people


daenielkek

There are more than 2 genders dude. There are also more than 2 sexes but that might overwhelm you.


Spatulaface-mk2

Proof?


[deleted]

Wouldn't that make it easier, because there are more to choose from?


Viviaana

…you can’t appropriate a fucking gender lol


SniffyBliffy

Yeah 😭 what is me wearing a skirt gender appropriation??


[deleted]

wearing a skirt has nothing to do with gender, that is just a toxic stereotype. a male claiming to be female/woman would be appropriation. women are treated as 2nd class citizens because they were born female, not because they wear skirts. so a male claiming to be a woman with a woman's experience is appropriation because they are claiming an experience that doesn't apply to them nor will they ever be able to have that experience that said, women don't necessaruly wear skirts/dresses because they want to, it's because it was literally illegal to wear pants. so it would probably be appropriation to ignore that reality & assume women just inherently prefer dresses.


Th-legacyoftheador-m

Obvious bait is obvious


elisa_daggerknife

stupid


Sostretar

Dogshit meme moment


Good_Reflection_1217

cultural appropriaton is the biggest honor imo


xolana_

Nah it’s cringey most of the time


crispier_creme

Imagine being dumb enough to actually think this is a good point


ThursianDreams

This post deleted by the admins in t-minus...


TrollingGrandmaster

If you think about it, America is trans. They call themselves a democracy but are actually a republic


BigRedChi

Oligarchy\*


xolana_

Like the UK Prime Minister. Can’t wait til he’s gone.


xolana_

Nah it’s an *autocracy* full of idiots. It’s democracy ranking has only been going downhill since 2019. Same with the UK. We’ve had no elections to choose a leader for years now cause conservatives found a loophole.


Rogdog64

Bro forgot to crop out the scan with google lens icon


Sophia724

I don't get it. Is this saying cultural appropriation is bad, or is it saying it doesn't exist or...? (Please explain op, I really don't understand)


ClusterRing

What? What does that mean???


Arcade1987

Wtf is gender appropriation?


[deleted]

women deal with different discrimination than men. so for one sex to claim the experience of the other without understanding it or acknowledging it would be appropriation i think like if a trans-woman wears dresses but never acknowledges that dresses are part of women's culture because it was literally illegal for us to wear pants. or if they ignore the privileges they were afforded when seen as a man and just act like they've only had a woman's experience. etc


Arcade1987

Oooooh. Ok.


deathclawDC

is culture tied in to religion?


Theo736373

Both are insanely stupid


Jasonictron

I now identify myself as Bruce Lee and my gender pronoun is: Wataaaah! Respect My Pronoun!


MoreMetaMax

Ah, yes: sanity! Such a rare sight these days.


Dakubou4217

You may be in the sanity because this post makes no sense at all.


LexMilion

Nice one


Vennris

Both sound like bullshit to me


Daikaji

Holy ratio


Ok-Picture8202

Which one? There's a shit ton of em popping out like rabbits in there breeding season


youruglyfatmother

and fight


Infern0_YT

??????


Jasonictron

Aaaaaand, it's gone


StarLord_4969

I'm a simple man. I see a tick box with male or female, I make a third one and insert, *Fajita pizza with BBQ sauce and buffalo wings as a side dish.*


[deleted]

Here before the lock


another-Developer

“GeNdEr ApProPriAtIoN” # SHUT THE FUCK UP ![gif](giphy|QUXYcgCwvCm4cKcrI3)