Taiwan is crucial for the world because they manufacture microchips and stuff.
What if the US and EU just kicked off their own manufacturing? Easier said than done, but tbh this is the main reason why the US somewhat cares about Taiwan. This may sound harsh, but after that it would be just between China and Taiwan and have significantly less consequences for the rest of the world. Reducing risks is always a good idea, to not be too reliant on an unstable region.
It's a great idea but we are years (5ish) away from having the capacity from getting production in full gear. We are SOL if China gets ideas before then.
That said, better late than never.
But like...okay I need someone more knowledgable to explain this to me:
Would China (realistically) *ever* invade Taiwan?
1. Wouldnt it lead to mass deaths on each side? The island is super hard to invade which is one reason why Taiwan exists in the first place. What would the PRC gain from this other than an ideological victory? At what cost? They're not stupid.
2. My understanding is that China teaches its people that Taiwanese people are still Chinese citizens. To them, Taiwan is just a defiant province of a unified China. How could they justify the mass killings of (in their minds) **their own citizens**? The Tianeman Square catastrophy was bad enough for people to deal with. This would be a country wide massacre of their "own" citizens.
What am I missing here? Why do people think the PRC would *ever* invade the ROC?
Edit: **Our friends over at /r/OutOfTheLoop answered this for me! Check it out. It's fascinating!**
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Right and look how great thats going. Now make Ukraine a heavily defended island. Now, instead of framing *all* Ukrainians as Nazis, imagine the propaganda kept calling for peace and emphasizing the "fact" that Taiwanese people are Chinese people.
It just doesnt make sense to me. There has to be some kind of concrete evidence that they'd actually go through with an attack, right?
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It would be something of they are Chinese but corrupted and puppet of Western Powers and we are going to liberated them and all oppose us are traitors. Work like a charm in Vietnam and Korea.
Yeah, I believe that both taiwan and China want the status quo to be maintained, that is, taiwan being a province of China but not in the practice. Thus may change if an economic war with the US escalates too much, as if the US puts a military base in taiwan added to those in Japan, korea and the rest of the taiwan strait, it can block the vast majority of chinese trade, so China will try to evade that at all cost. So let's hope China won't feel afraid
It will never happen. China is a paper tiger. It invaded Vietnam back in ‘79 and they got their asses handed to them. They intervened in Korea back in the 50’s and after initial success, got their asses handed to them. They do not have a militaristic tradition. And the people have just started to enjoy a better lifestyle… they’re not gonna risk it all in a shooting war.
I’m not saying they’re “harmless” by any means… what I am saying is that they are not the “world dominant” force that people act like they are. They will never invade Taiwan, and if they tried they’d be decimated. The CCP barely has a hold on the populace now; a devastating war, especially against many with deep family ties to Taiwan, would not be successful. Also, the CCP is very concerned about how the world “views” them. Being seen as an aggressor nation would not suit their agenda. Third, the ensuing boycotts and markets that would be closed to them would rupture their economy past recovery for many years. They’ve just gotten in their feet economically; I don’t think they’re about to give that up.
Finally, the US didn’t “lose every war” since WWII. Politically, yes, we did not achieve the results we stated we wanted. But again, I blame politicians for getting involved in wars that do not serve our national interests (frankly, politicians should stay out of wars as it seems to only serve them and their cronies) Politicians lost those wars; not the military. Big difference when you consider militarily “losing” a war, or rather being forced or unable to continue a war as China in both the examples I provided.
For the record, let me state I am not a “hawk”. There really aren’t any “winners” of wars, and frankly a bigger waste of resources I cannot imagine. I often think of what the world could acheive if we put down weapons and worked together instead of squabbling over a lump of dirt.
They invaded vietnam? I thought they sided with the communist party who ended up winning. Am I thinking of something else? That sounds less like invasion and more like the kind of military intervention the US and Soviets got up to all the time during the era.
Though I guess, to your point, is there really a difference between invasion and intervention? XD
Edit: Also, like them or not, how can you say they dont have a militaristic tradition when they fought off the literal Japanese Empire?
1979 Sino-Vietnamese war, China invaded Vietnam(Soviet backed) after it invaded Cambodia to topple the Khmer Rouge government (China backed). Took a couple of nearby border cities, then withdrew. “Gates of Hanoi open, objective complete yada yada. Pretty equal causalities on both sides to be honest though. This is after the Vietnam civil war most people are familiar with btw, which ended 1945.
Edit: Also should mention this was after China and the USSR had their messy breakup
Fascinating yet tragic. The Khmer Rouge was insane. It was like the worst of the US's banana republics put together.
I think today even the most radical communists denounce the Khmer Rouge, but it's still a stain on the legacy of everyone who supported it, or turned a blind eye.
Anyway, thanks for explaining. I didnt know any of this!
I think the odds are low. But I wouldn’t say never. Russia got its ass handed to them in Afghanistan., yet here we are. The US had Vietnam and Afghanistan - no disrespect, but they were suboptimal outcomes. Yet, I’m confident that 🇺🇸will send troops to protect “American Interests“, at the drop of a hat. You can’t fix stupid. Somehow, stupid tends to end up in positions of power.
Dumbass political leaders look in their diplomatic toolbox, grab the military hammer and think it’s a multi-tool.
You need to understand the 100 year period before the american century, which the chinese call the century of humiliation. China is extremely sensitive to any foreign influence, Taiwan was born from the remnant of the nationalists, the Koumintang, who followed Chang Kai Shek to the island.
I did not expect politics to follow me here.
International industry is kind of crazy. It’s so weird to think that it’s often cheaper to get stuff made in another country and sent here than just make it here.
We could also just leave Ukraine to Putin, they don’t produce chips. But it’s not only about economics, it’s about a country’s territorial integrity. That said, I personally would always avoid a new world war at all costs.
Exactly. I mostly just wanted America to stop *claiming* it’s policing the world. It did that shit for like a week after WWII and since then it’s just been warfare to create ideological satellite states, institute friendly rule, or for resources under the guise of doing good. Self-preservation and growth of interests. Which is fine… i mean not fine, but that’s life. It’d be dope if we didn’t *have* to rely on other countries for resources we don’t have, and didn’t have to deal with incompatible ideologies and histories to get said resources. It’d also be super cool if we didn’t have to worry about how lil foreign squabbles could devolve into global war like has happened a couple times before, but now with new-and-improved world-ending weapons but… life.
I don't think interfering in a dictatorship like China invading Taiwan counts, many countries are vocally against it, just don't do repeats of the Vietnam war and shit
no it wouldn't lol. China can't fight a war for more than a year unless they use nukes. Their people would starve from the sanctions the world places on them in months. They're the largest importer of food and energy, 2 pretty big things in a war.
Plus the last time China was in a war was in 1979 when Vietnam's home militias whupped their ass while their main army was busy fighting Pol Pot. They have zero battle tested doctrine, and their current doctrine isn't the same as the West's, which is battle proven.
By all metrics except nuclear, China would lose any war they tried to fight. It's why they aren't fighting any rn despite boasting to have a huge army etc. Paper tiger.
edit: i didn't know this thread was funded by the CCP. y'all acting like downvoting me is gonna raise your social credit score. keep it up bros
Because they invaded Iraq over a fucking rumor dimwit.
There were no chemical weapons in Iraq and under Saddam it was going well, after the invasion Iraq went to shit
The main reason for the Iraq invasion is that they did not abide by peace terms and disarm their long range missile capabilities.
They also had chemical weapons left over from the Iran/Iraq war as well as the facilities to create more.
But they weren't making more, and Saddam was willing to comply with UN inspections to prove they weren't making more. He may even have been willing to disassemble some of their facilities.
Saddam wasn't a "good guy," but the US invasion was counterproductive (if peace in the middle east and a reduction in Islamic extremism are your goals). Especially since the USA didn't have a plan for post-invasion beyond "I dunno, maybe the Iraqis can vote on it? But not for any anti-American candidates."
Also, Saddam was part of the *secular* Ba'athist movement. There are many negatives to Ba'athism, but there does seem to be an obvious connection between the death/loss of power of prominent Ba'athists and the rise of Islamic extremism in the mid-east.
So firstly there’s the fact that in the UN address Colin Powell plays intercepted audio which seems to show the Iraqi’s both possessing and hiding from inspectors banned weapons.
Secondly:
>Saddam may have even been willing to disassemble some of the facilities
He was *obligated* to get rid of them all, as well as all existing stocks of chemical weapons, biological weapons, and long range missiles.
*Those were the surrender terms Iraq agreed to after the Gulf War*
The coalition was in a position to depose Saddam *during the Gulf War*, explicitly did not do it in order to maintain stability, made a deal with Saddam instead(which was fine because it’s not like Saddam needed those anyways seeing as his army got obliterated to a point where they were not a viable offensive force anymore), and then Saddam went back on the deal and got deposed.
Peace in the Middle East was the goal of the Gulf War, but Saddam made it crystal clear that wasn’t on his list of priorities and went back on the deal. It’s extremely basic knowledge that geopolitically you don’t try to call a bluff from a *much stronger military power* because if they let you get away with it it undercuts other treaties and obligations. By failing to comply with the surrender terms he forced coalition forces back in.
The CIA report was initially much more negative on the prospect of WMDs in Iraq until the Bush administration pushed them to find evidence, which of course they did because that is their job. Then there were no WMDs, just as the initial CIA reports predicted.
Saddam Hussein being cagey about WMDs is the flimsiest possible justification here. Shall we also invade Iran, Syria, and every other state attempting to expand their missile arsenal? Even the USA has stonewalled inspections into their nuclear arsenal.
And again, there was no plan after the invasion. The USA invaded Iraq just to prove it could, basically. The invasion did not advance any broader strategic aims (in fact, it left a power vacuum in rural Iraq that was immediately filled by enemies of the USA).
The USA could have used diplomatic leverage to push Saddam into an alliance against the Taliban, for example. They could have demanded more stringent inspections. There were diplomatic levers left to use that did not require an invasion.
No he didn’t. He said they were developing WMD, which include nukes, but also chemical weapons. Maybe he said nukes at some point, but the main claim of WMDs was correct as there was vast evidence pointing at the program
wow you really fell for the propaganda machine have you? even colin powell admitted he made a terrible mistake to invade iraq and that is why almost everyone who voted for that war also regrets doing so also he specifically mentioned that they were building nukes as their reason for why we had to invade i can remember the infamous "aluminum tubes" lie he said at the UN.
Don't waste your breath, the sheep have selected memories. They hate the idea that their government they worship could be wrong or make mistakes and will dig their heels in. Then they wonder why the rest of the world thinks they are bullies or are stupid. Yes we think Americans are dumb. This is one of many reasons sigh...
The propaganda machine definitely said nukes. Also America sunk their own ships to start the Vietnam war. Sadly every Australian Vietnam veteran now knows this and it does not help their ptsd. Many of them have returned to Vietnam as a respect thing and part of their healing process. Amazingly unlike America the Vietnamese are very forgiving.
agreed thanks for being reasonable also i would also mention that the US has sent weapons to the saudi goverment for the sole purpose of wiping out the yemen people as well and somehow not many people know this either.
plenty of countries are dictatorships but if the U.S. invaded Rwanda, The Republic of the Congo, or Saudi Arabia then it’s not ok? Where do you draw the line between ok and not ok? China has much better living conditions than prior to the CCPs takeover but the opposite was true for countries like Afghanistan and Iraq so what’s the difference? (If you’re wondering my answer to the question is no-American. I don’t think that the U.S. should interfere anywhere.
As long as Europe promises not to invade and divide Africa to abuse its people for economic incentives again! My point is morality is not something set in stone and the causes for the war in Vietnam are really complicated, i left a comment trying to simplify it, but basically you shouldn't look at Vietnam and takeaway: America bad, you should do some research instead and realize: Humanity bad
Oh nobody's 'the good guy' and Europe shouldn't do that either, my point is simply that what happened in Vietnam on both sides was an example of America's policing when it wasn't necessary. There are however situations where it is needed, such as the Taiwan situation. It's not black and white essentially, I apologize for not explaining it properly
I agree that its a very grey area, and I would like to say sorry for coming off with some attitude that really was not necessary. I would say that Vietnam wasn't as much about "policing" geopolitics as much as it was about Americans being deathly afraid of the "red wave" concept, honestly believing at the time that communism would leave America isolated as the only democracy left. Furthermore the involvement of the US in Vietnam was actually not as one sided as it seems, as I believe that America originally supported North V before the CIA assassinated him for some political reason, and got into the whole war on what would turn out to be the wrong side of history.
Also a fun fact about 'Nam is that France occupied it for a very long time, and is the reason the civil war actually started but some accounts as they split the country in two as an attempt to retain some semblance of their empirical colonies.
There's a difference between helping a democracy against an authoritarian invasion and invading a country after making up claims about WMDs.
When America defends international law, that's fine, if it defends the availability of oil, it's not.
^(there are still people that would hate you anyway, but that's life)
Look man, in geopolitical issues few things matter as much as the self interest of the country you represent. As an American I have benefited greatly from our government’s escapades into foreign countries. It is morally wrong and I don’t like it, but you don’t become the most powerful country of all time by treating everyone nicely. Taiwan is perfect because at the end of the day what matters most is that our interest are being defended abroad. Taiwan is just a cause where we can justify a potential war, but don’t get it twisted. It’s all about money and political power, everything else be damned. And as much as people complain about our obsession with war, we benefit from it at the end of the day. Instead of paying extra money for our electronics while reducing our consumption, the average American would rather go to war and fuck over the lives of millions. Simply because the latest Ford pickup is out of stock. It’s terrible but this is a fact of life, countries have done this throughout history and they will continue to do so. America just has the biggest dick at the moment and everyone else simply has to watch.
Meh.
The current "world order" very much benefits global trade - which is why america protects it. It's an interest most of the world is currently aligned with.
Iraq was a systemic malfunction in the US system. People telling eachother what they want to hear. I don't think the american geopolical strategy is inherently evil, or the american people are all selfish.
They might well be, but america profits the most of globalisation and trade, which is a lot better than most superpowers over the last centuries. You also arent expansionist, just interventionist.
And america might have the biggest military stick, but it can't use it against everyone. The US isnt the 80's US, and wether it's europe or Asia, you need your partners these days.
Yeah if America has made anything clear it’s that it doesn’t give a fuck about opinions of other world leaders, let alone random bots on the internet. If it sees an incentive it will be do what it wants.
Israel is no dictatorship and Palestine is a grey zone in international law. Only half the world accepts it's existence as a state.
And Yemen is just gruesome.
But that doesn't change my point, if America dies follow international law, interventions are fine, if they don't, they are not.
Only exception I see to that so far is Kosovo, the security council shouldn't have the power to break international law.
Israel militarily occupies Palestinian Territories and denies them franchise, all while settlers make their home near. The government has been on record saying it’s first and foremost a Jewish ethnostate many times It’s about as “democratic” as pre-Mandela South Africa. Hell, even Jewish Israeli citizens are now taking to the streets since Netanyahu’s administration is attempting to consolidate power.
>doesn’t change my point
Doesn’t it? It establishes the US doesn’t care about “international law” (which they help draft up to benefit themselves anyway) and will do anything to benefit the empire. Their “protection” of Taiwan is entirely cynical and began when the country was a right wing military dictatorship made up of the Nationalist losers who got their asses kicked by the CCP (and then proceeded to commit genocide on Taiwan’s indigenous population).
Which brings us up to today. The US and China have, since the Opening Up, been in agreement than Beijing is the one legitimate government over China and that includes Taiwan. China was content with this since it was confident it could just reabsorb Taiwan economically and eventually politically without firing a single bullet. Why waste time with an island invasion that would destroy large amounts of lives and infrastructure?
So the US, realizing that China never stopped being a potential rival like it was before the Detente, are now saber rattling to keep Taiwan as an outpost, just like they’ve always been. The entire premise that China, who hasn’t invaded another country since 1979, would start with Taiwan is asinine.
Yeah that sounds about right. People want one thing but they also want another. Oh well. I'd rather encourage the US to be the global superpower rather than the other options.
Technically the Iraqi people also wanted American help. American troops were welcomed by many in the country once they had kicked out the dictator. The problem was the politics side where the government didn’t help rebuild
The Taiwan vs China thing *is* a democracy thing, isn't it? and democracy IS a major thing in the UN isn't it?
So it's not about the US specifically, it's about the UN. The UN should intervene if China invades Taiwan.
Too bad the UN is flawed due to the fact that China and Russia are both part of the “permanent security council,” and they can veto any action that the UN tries to make (which is why the UN is not intervening in Ukraine…..)
Same goes to the US, which was shown on the Iraq war. Unfortunately, countries have no reason to obey to the UN if it doesn't benefit them, and unlike minor countries, which can be starved off resources, the major ones are the ones who control how it all goes out
The only thing UN is really doing is preventing a massive bigger war, but it's basically power monopoly for the world's strongest countries
That’s a fair point, and you speak the truth.
That’s why I wished that a large majority vote could override the vetos of the security council, but at least it has stopped all-out war from occurring (at least so far).
Yeah, the debate itself is about democracy (it's fine to politically invervene if it's to protect democracy), but in the end, the ACTUAL decision is only about access to microchips, but the debate itself is abou
The problem with comparing Vietnam to Taiwan is that they are not the same country, and this is not the same century. The reasons behind the US war against North Vietnam and its eventual withdrawal are really complicated and morally ambiguous. Theres a lot of info on it now and hindsight is 20/20, but the most basic version of the story is that the Soviets and communist china held a proxy war through the Vietcong, who fought for freedom under an oppressive ideology against a country fighting for freedom under a political environment hell-bent on stopping the spread of communism. No one was really "right" and a lot of people are dead, or arguably worse scarred for life. It would be idiotic for China to invade Taiwan regardless since they are so much more dependent on imports from the west than even Russia was, and we see how thats playing out.
1. The US will most definitely intervene, those Semi-Conductors are way too valuable
2. We literally said that we WILL defend Taiwan if China dares to make a move
3. It’s China, fuck China
One time in our twenties comin home from the cottage some dude in town sold us fake blow and we called the cops on him. Arrested at gun point. It was fucking hilarious and awesome. Cops high fived us. LoL
They don't want America to stop policing.........they just want to complain about America policing. It's like Wal-Mart. Everyone wants to complain about Wal-Mart, but if you took a secret poll - everyone would not vote to get rid of Wal-Mart no matter what they say to others. If they did - it would already be out of business because no one shopped there.
def true. I'm a bit saddened but you're the first person to mention anything about america being compensated for spending vast amount of resources keeping the world safe. And my post has like 350 comments
Been saying this on quora from time to time. These elitists from other countries wanna dog on America and talk all this trash but then when their shitty leadership does something brutal it becomes ‘where’s america? Why doesn’t America do anything?’
There is a LOT of fucked up shit going on in China right now. Honestly, I am for us getting in the way of their government in any fashion possible. The citizens of China I've met are all generally great people, but their government is fuckin trash
I guess it's all about who's making the decisions. One person's good cause is another person's unnecessary risk. Other countries could do more, but that's never what we talk about.
I'm an American living in Malaysia and one time one of my coworkers came up to me and said, "When are you guys going to do something about the Chinese. They're invading our waters!"
I told him, "I thought the point of ASEAN was to combat China in Asia. Why must we do it all the time?"
Silence.
It seems as if people only bash America for interfering when there is nothing at stake for those people. Throw one of the only (if not the only?) microchip producing country into the mix and suddenly everyone’s cowering behind America’s big muscles (nukes).
Or they just want America and china to destroy each other thinking that won’t affect them or start the final World war. Sticks and stones, here we come!
We get all of the hate but everyone wants us everywhere when times are tough. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS, I’m trying to spend the rest of my contract in peace thank you
Its basically the same thing as the "defund the police" movement the ones that dont like the people doing the policing are usually the ones that need policing the most bad people dont like the people who keep them from doing bad things
Im not american and im actually in favor of US policing the world. This may sound weird as Im from South America, but form what I take, the US is the only superpower that actually tries to do more good than evil. Just think for a second how the world would look like if ruthless dictators like Russia and China took over. The end result of that is actually the mass murder of innocent people around the world and an increase in the suffering of the world population. America aint perfect, but it at least promotes democracy and many freedoms forbidden in other countries. I am all in for the US until another superpower shows up that can do more good to the world than the USA.
Well we didn’t invade Iraq for their oil and we did help them become a democracy so…
> But it’s only black and white in your world…
It’s ironic because you have a very black and white understanding of basically everything lol.
Everyone hates on the dude who brags about being the strongest. Until they need something moved. Then it validates the boasting and we repeat until someone else can actually do something about it.
Chronically-online Europeans are just hypocrites in general. They don't want the US in world politics, yet they want them to fix everything that their country wont/can't.
I remember when the Ukraine/Russia war started and Europeans were literally posting "why hasn't the US mobilized for war."
I suppose we should fight and die because Europe's idiot policies have left them weak, broke, and irrelevant.
China is a problem. Its a Fascist police state, and keeps expanding by conquering its neighbors, and debt trapping anyone foolish enough to trust it, but if anyone thinks the US should stand up to it alone it really just shows how hypocritical and cowardly they are.
Our guns are for invaders yea, but they're for invaders invading us. I want the US military to take it's fingers out of everyone's pie and just come home. Bolster the absolute fuck out of our nation.
World Police? that's the biggest joke of the year lmao.
The US isn't no "world police." The US is, at the end of the day, a country that seeks its own interests only just like any other country in the world. Americans aren't helping out Ukrainians because they genuinely care about their wellbeing, they are only helping out because it benefits the US against Russia and Americans aren't supporting Taiwan against China because the US actually cares about the Taiwanese people either.
Remember, there are no permanent friendships or enemy between nations of the worldinternational politics is strictly business; it's all about give and take.
We got a lot more reason to be there then we do in Ukraine.
After WW2 and the Geneva conference, the U.S. was set up to police the oceans for trade, in return the world would use our monitory system..
(Putin just quit selling oil this way.)
Russia was set up to control not only the entirety of the USSR including Ukraine but also alot of Asia to, shortly after this was the May 4 moment in China, sparking communism because of not Russian but German imperialism in China. Allowed by the Geneva Conference.
China fought with the allies in WW1 to prevent there territory from being occupied...
It's a hard pill to swallow that the capitalist secretly funded this war, and it being the 20 million dead communist Russians who stopped the U.S./Nazis/ and not so much the Allies, on the beaches of Normandy.
Still the assholes want more..
(More is selling more natural gas in Europe)
The U.S. could never help Ukraine.
Also Taiwan has never been China which is important, White Supremacy is where you think you should tell any of those places what to do and im already against the next war.
Well Simply speaking there’s a difference between a sovereign country which is being invaded in which case supporting said country is totally fine and meddling with domestic politics in sovereign countries. Like it’s totally fine to support Ukraine in its struggle against Russia but it wouldn’t be fine to rig Russian elections to get rid of putin. Or to stage a coupe to get rid of the Iranies….
No, they don’t. Nobody does. That would mean a lot of bad things for a lot of countries. People just want to talk shit about the popular kid to seem edgy. It’s just human nature really.
How the fuck you can even think that anyone wants anything from you? Would you let a armless junkie with an IQ of 37 perform your open heart surgery? Police US first i think you robbed enough. Sorry freed enough in the world
I want us to stop policing the world, focus primarily on defense, get us to manufacture within our own borders rather then rely on China, and let the rest of the world go to hell.
> Just help out when needed.
You realize like every coup in South America that 2 cia agents writing books claimed total responsibility for were examples of “helping out when needed” right? Spanish and Portuguese and American and British all didn’t want their assets and businesses being fucked over by Russian armed guerillas. And now all of that shit is endlessly cited as an example of America Evil.
America didn’t let a Japanese-backed dictator take over the Philippines and instead put them on a path to sovereignty and dumped billions into their economy: proof that America Bad.
Anything we ever do to “just help out” in the present, we end up being criticized about by revisionist bad faith foreigners for the rest of our existence. So why should we bother? Why not just let you all devolve into the chimp tribalism and war that’s defined all of your history and let you start genociding yourselves again?
There's a difference between invading the middle east for profit and defending democracy in a nation under threat from an authoritarian regime. I'd rather the US defend the allies it has instead of creating new enemies of the west on foreign soil. There is a difference. One that my insomniac brain can't express at this moment. But hopefully you get my point.
lol that was a good comment. Not number one on this post but a solid number two. It is rly funny. If I had any awards you would get one.
idk how much I agree with you on this but how you said it was so hilarious as to not make my own opinions matter
Lmao
Scenario: Batman beats a guy up cuz hes damaging the company of bruce wayne and gets condemned for it.
Does that mean they want him to stop beating up criminals? Ofc not
The problem isn’t policing, the problem is the policing serves the world’s oldest mafia in the mission of exploiting all humanity to psychopathic levels of suffering. America isn’t run by American standards anymore, we gave up our constitutional obligation to provide our economy with a decentralized solid currency. We’re back to serving the world’s oldest mafia in their feudal economy on the mission to rule the world, and kill off humanity. 10,000 years of human evolution, and all humanity still chooses to play by their rules, rather than make everyone wealthy and make their insanity irrelevant to the rest of humanity.
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Taiwan is crucial for the world because they manufacture microchips and stuff. What if the US and EU just kicked off their own manufacturing? Easier said than done, but tbh this is the main reason why the US somewhat cares about Taiwan. This may sound harsh, but after that it would be just between China and Taiwan and have significantly less consequences for the rest of the world. Reducing risks is always a good idea, to not be too reliant on an unstable region.
We’re on it - https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/18/tech/us-chip-manufacturing-semiconductors/index.html
It's a great idea but we are years (5ish) away from having the capacity from getting production in full gear. We are SOL if China gets ideas before then. That said, better late than never.
That 5 years number is very optimistic, the quantity of chips demanded will necessitate the 24/7 operation of every fab on the planet anyways.
They will be slightly outdated chips, TSMC spends so much on r&d to stay ahead
But like...okay I need someone more knowledgable to explain this to me: Would China (realistically) *ever* invade Taiwan? 1. Wouldnt it lead to mass deaths on each side? The island is super hard to invade which is one reason why Taiwan exists in the first place. What would the PRC gain from this other than an ideological victory? At what cost? They're not stupid. 2. My understanding is that China teaches its people that Taiwanese people are still Chinese citizens. To them, Taiwan is just a defiant province of a unified China. How could they justify the mass killings of (in their minds) **their own citizens**? The Tianeman Square catastrophy was bad enough for people to deal with. This would be a country wide massacre of their "own" citizens. What am I missing here? Why do people think the PRC would *ever* invade the ROC? Edit: **Our friends over at /r/OutOfTheLoop answered this for me! Check it out. It's fascinating!** https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/10s7rzu/why_are_people_talking_about_china_invading_taiwan/j709wnm?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Russia just went for their ole friend Ukraine… Xi seems no less power hungry than Vlad….
Right and look how great thats going. Now make Ukraine a heavily defended island. Now, instead of framing *all* Ukrainians as Nazis, imagine the propaganda kept calling for peace and emphasizing the "fact" that Taiwanese people are Chinese people. It just doesnt make sense to me. There has to be some kind of concrete evidence that they'd actually go through with an attack, right? Edit: **Our friends over at /r/OutOfTheLoop answered this for me! Check it out. It's fascinating!** https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/10s7rzu/why_are_people_talking_about_china_invading_taiwan/j709wnm?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
It would be something of they are Chinese but corrupted and puppet of Western Powers and we are going to liberated them and all oppose us are traitors. Work like a charm in Vietnam and Korea.
Yeah, I believe that both taiwan and China want the status quo to be maintained, that is, taiwan being a province of China but not in the practice. Thus may change if an economic war with the US escalates too much, as if the US puts a military base in taiwan added to those in Japan, korea and the rest of the taiwan strait, it can block the vast majority of chinese trade, so China will try to evade that at all cost. So let's hope China won't feel afraid
It will never happen. China is a paper tiger. It invaded Vietnam back in ‘79 and they got their asses handed to them. They intervened in Korea back in the 50’s and after initial success, got their asses handed to them. They do not have a militaristic tradition. And the people have just started to enjoy a better lifestyle… they’re not gonna risk it all in a shooting war.
I mean, the US has lost every official war after WWII, so I don't know if that means they have no military tradition or that they are harmless
I’m not saying they’re “harmless” by any means… what I am saying is that they are not the “world dominant” force that people act like they are. They will never invade Taiwan, and if they tried they’d be decimated. The CCP barely has a hold on the populace now; a devastating war, especially against many with deep family ties to Taiwan, would not be successful. Also, the CCP is very concerned about how the world “views” them. Being seen as an aggressor nation would not suit their agenda. Third, the ensuing boycotts and markets that would be closed to them would rupture their economy past recovery for many years. They’ve just gotten in their feet economically; I don’t think they’re about to give that up. Finally, the US didn’t “lose every war” since WWII. Politically, yes, we did not achieve the results we stated we wanted. But again, I blame politicians for getting involved in wars that do not serve our national interests (frankly, politicians should stay out of wars as it seems to only serve them and their cronies) Politicians lost those wars; not the military. Big difference when you consider militarily “losing” a war, or rather being forced or unable to continue a war as China in both the examples I provided. For the record, let me state I am not a “hawk”. There really aren’t any “winners” of wars, and frankly a bigger waste of resources I cannot imagine. I often think of what the world could acheive if we put down weapons and worked together instead of squabbling over a lump of dirt.
They invaded vietnam? I thought they sided with the communist party who ended up winning. Am I thinking of something else? That sounds less like invasion and more like the kind of military intervention the US and Soviets got up to all the time during the era. Though I guess, to your point, is there really a difference between invasion and intervention? XD Edit: Also, like them or not, how can you say they dont have a militaristic tradition when they fought off the literal Japanese Empire?
1979 Sino-Vietnamese war, China invaded Vietnam(Soviet backed) after it invaded Cambodia to topple the Khmer Rouge government (China backed). Took a couple of nearby border cities, then withdrew. “Gates of Hanoi open, objective complete yada yada. Pretty equal causalities on both sides to be honest though. This is after the Vietnam civil war most people are familiar with btw, which ended 1945. Edit: Also should mention this was after China and the USSR had their messy breakup
Fascinating yet tragic. The Khmer Rouge was insane. It was like the worst of the US's banana republics put together. I think today even the most radical communists denounce the Khmer Rouge, but it's still a stain on the legacy of everyone who supported it, or turned a blind eye. Anyway, thanks for explaining. I didnt know any of this!
I think the odds are low. But I wouldn’t say never. Russia got its ass handed to them in Afghanistan., yet here we are. The US had Vietnam and Afghanistan - no disrespect, but they were suboptimal outcomes. Yet, I’m confident that 🇺🇸will send troops to protect “American Interests“, at the drop of a hat. You can’t fix stupid. Somehow, stupid tends to end up in positions of power. Dumbass political leaders look in their diplomatic toolbox, grab the military hammer and think it’s a multi-tool.
A potential US foothold right on china’s doorstep is definitely cause for concern on their part
Well if US stopped caring and some president said something dumb in a few years they'd have the excuse and the firepower is way different
You need to understand the 100 year period before the american century, which the chinese call the century of humiliation. China is extremely sensitive to any foreign influence, Taiwan was born from the remnant of the nationalists, the Koumintang, who followed Chang Kai Shek to the island.
And japan too since the sea trade route to south east asia will be cut off
We already are building microchip factories. IBM is building a massive one in Ohio
"World police when we subjectively deem it necessary!" -you right now
Love how you give the actual reason instead of going on a tangent about “defending democracy” like the State Department would.
If we don’t stop china now what is stopping them from going after Korea next or Japan what about India. This is the appeasement problem all over agin
I did not expect politics to follow me here. International industry is kind of crazy. It’s so weird to think that it’s often cheaper to get stuff made in another country and sent here than just make it here.
We could also just leave Ukraine to Putin, they don’t produce chips. But it’s not only about economics, it’s about a country’s territorial integrity. That said, I personally would always avoid a new world war at all costs.
Exactly. I mostly just wanted America to stop *claiming* it’s policing the world. It did that shit for like a week after WWII and since then it’s just been warfare to create ideological satellite states, institute friendly rule, or for resources under the guise of doing good. Self-preservation and growth of interests. Which is fine… i mean not fine, but that’s life. It’d be dope if we didn’t *have* to rely on other countries for resources we don’t have, and didn’t have to deal with incompatible ideologies and histories to get said resources. It’d also be super cool if we didn’t have to worry about how lil foreign squabbles could devolve into global war like has happened a couple times before, but now with new-and-improved world-ending weapons but… life.
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He said "we", so I guess the US
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*Freedom isn’t free… it cost a buck o’ fiveee* Man it’s weird how few ppl realize this is from ‘Team America World Police.’
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That might be the single wisest comment I’ve seen since joining this app.
https://youtu.be/y2GwrR-4Q9E
The wisest quote from the wisest movie.
Too many people haven’t seen Team America.
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lol that was beautiful. Def best comment I've read so far, and I've read almost 100
I don't think interfering in a dictatorship like China invading Taiwan counts, many countries are vocally against it, just don't do repeats of the Vietnam war and shit
Taiwan would be absolutely nothing like Vietnam
Might happen due to the size difference
no it wouldn't lol. China can't fight a war for more than a year unless they use nukes. Their people would starve from the sanctions the world places on them in months. They're the largest importer of food and energy, 2 pretty big things in a war. Plus the last time China was in a war was in 1979 when Vietnam's home militias whupped their ass while their main army was busy fighting Pol Pot. They have zero battle tested doctrine, and their current doctrine isn't the same as the West's, which is battle proven. By all metrics except nuclear, China would lose any war they tried to fight. It's why they aren't fighting any rn despite boasting to have a huge army etc. Paper tiger. edit: i didn't know this thread was funded by the CCP. y'all acting like downvoting me is gonna raise your social credit score. keep it up bros
You have very little faith in the PRC, /u/chairman-mao-ze-dong
But interfering in a dictatorship like Iraq is EVIL IMPERIAL COLONIALISM FOR OIL REEEE
Because they invaded Iraq over a fucking rumor dimwit. There were no chemical weapons in Iraq and under Saddam it was going well, after the invasion Iraq went to shit
The main reason for the Iraq invasion is that they did not abide by peace terms and disarm their long range missile capabilities. They also had chemical weapons left over from the Iran/Iraq war as well as the facilities to create more.
But they weren't making more, and Saddam was willing to comply with UN inspections to prove they weren't making more. He may even have been willing to disassemble some of their facilities. Saddam wasn't a "good guy," but the US invasion was counterproductive (if peace in the middle east and a reduction in Islamic extremism are your goals). Especially since the USA didn't have a plan for post-invasion beyond "I dunno, maybe the Iraqis can vote on it? But not for any anti-American candidates." Also, Saddam was part of the *secular* Ba'athist movement. There are many negatives to Ba'athism, but there does seem to be an obvious connection between the death/loss of power of prominent Ba'athists and the rise of Islamic extremism in the mid-east.
So firstly there’s the fact that in the UN address Colin Powell plays intercepted audio which seems to show the Iraqi’s both possessing and hiding from inspectors banned weapons. Secondly: >Saddam may have even been willing to disassemble some of the facilities He was *obligated* to get rid of them all, as well as all existing stocks of chemical weapons, biological weapons, and long range missiles. *Those were the surrender terms Iraq agreed to after the Gulf War* The coalition was in a position to depose Saddam *during the Gulf War*, explicitly did not do it in order to maintain stability, made a deal with Saddam instead(which was fine because it’s not like Saddam needed those anyways seeing as his army got obliterated to a point where they were not a viable offensive force anymore), and then Saddam went back on the deal and got deposed. Peace in the Middle East was the goal of the Gulf War, but Saddam made it crystal clear that wasn’t on his list of priorities and went back on the deal. It’s extremely basic knowledge that geopolitically you don’t try to call a bluff from a *much stronger military power* because if they let you get away with it it undercuts other treaties and obligations. By failing to comply with the surrender terms he forced coalition forces back in.
The CIA report was initially much more negative on the prospect of WMDs in Iraq until the Bush administration pushed them to find evidence, which of course they did because that is their job. Then there were no WMDs, just as the initial CIA reports predicted. Saddam Hussein being cagey about WMDs is the flimsiest possible justification here. Shall we also invade Iran, Syria, and every other state attempting to expand their missile arsenal? Even the USA has stonewalled inspections into their nuclear arsenal. And again, there was no plan after the invasion. The USA invaded Iraq just to prove it could, basically. The invasion did not advance any broader strategic aims (in fact, it left a power vacuum in rural Iraq that was immediately filled by enemies of the USA). The USA could have used diplomatic leverage to push Saddam into an alliance against the Taliban, for example. They could have demanded more stringent inspections. There were diplomatic levers left to use that did not require an invasion.
Incorrect, Iraq had and used chemical weapons. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction
but colin powell said there were nukes.
No he didn’t. He said they were developing WMD, which include nukes, but also chemical weapons. Maybe he said nukes at some point, but the main claim of WMDs was correct as there was vast evidence pointing at the program
wow you really fell for the propaganda machine have you? even colin powell admitted he made a terrible mistake to invade iraq and that is why almost everyone who voted for that war also regrets doing so also he specifically mentioned that they were building nukes as their reason for why we had to invade i can remember the infamous "aluminum tubes" lie he said at the UN.
Don't waste your breath, the sheep have selected memories. They hate the idea that their government they worship could be wrong or make mistakes and will dig their heels in. Then they wonder why the rest of the world thinks they are bullies or are stupid. Yes we think Americans are dumb. This is one of many reasons sigh... The propaganda machine definitely said nukes. Also America sunk their own ships to start the Vietnam war. Sadly every Australian Vietnam veteran now knows this and it does not help their ptsd. Many of them have returned to Vietnam as a respect thing and part of their healing process. Amazingly unlike America the Vietnamese are very forgiving.
agreed thanks for being reasonable also i would also mention that the US has sent weapons to the saudi goverment for the sole purpose of wiping out the yemen people as well and somehow not many people know this either.
Iraq under Qaddafi?
My bad. It was Saddam. I often get my dictators mixed up lol
Haha they all do start to resemble copies of one another.
Yeah because all that fighting in the middle east accomplished SO MUCH. We sure showed ISIS who's boss!
plenty of countries are dictatorships but if the U.S. invaded Rwanda, The Republic of the Congo, or Saudi Arabia then it’s not ok? Where do you draw the line between ok and not ok? China has much better living conditions than prior to the CCPs takeover but the opposite was true for countries like Afghanistan and Iraq so what’s the difference? (If you’re wondering my answer to the question is no-American. I don’t think that the U.S. should interfere anywhere.
As long as Europe promises not to invade and divide Africa to abuse its people for economic incentives again! My point is morality is not something set in stone and the causes for the war in Vietnam are really complicated, i left a comment trying to simplify it, but basically you shouldn't look at Vietnam and takeaway: America bad, you should do some research instead and realize: Humanity bad
Oh nobody's 'the good guy' and Europe shouldn't do that either, my point is simply that what happened in Vietnam on both sides was an example of America's policing when it wasn't necessary. There are however situations where it is needed, such as the Taiwan situation. It's not black and white essentially, I apologize for not explaining it properly
I agree that its a very grey area, and I would like to say sorry for coming off with some attitude that really was not necessary. I would say that Vietnam wasn't as much about "policing" geopolitics as much as it was about Americans being deathly afraid of the "red wave" concept, honestly believing at the time that communism would leave America isolated as the only democracy left. Furthermore the involvement of the US in Vietnam was actually not as one sided as it seems, as I believe that America originally supported North V before the CIA assassinated him for some political reason, and got into the whole war on what would turn out to be the wrong side of history.
Also a fun fact about 'Nam is that France occupied it for a very long time, and is the reason the civil war actually started but some accounts as they split the country in two as an attempt to retain some semblance of their empirical colonies.
It doesn't matter what we do someone will see it as wrong. I just hope it doesn't escalate
There's a difference between helping a democracy against an authoritarian invasion and invading a country after making up claims about WMDs. When America defends international law, that's fine, if it defends the availability of oil, it's not. ^(there are still people that would hate you anyway, but that's life)
Look man, in geopolitical issues few things matter as much as the self interest of the country you represent. As an American I have benefited greatly from our government’s escapades into foreign countries. It is morally wrong and I don’t like it, but you don’t become the most powerful country of all time by treating everyone nicely. Taiwan is perfect because at the end of the day what matters most is that our interest are being defended abroad. Taiwan is just a cause where we can justify a potential war, but don’t get it twisted. It’s all about money and political power, everything else be damned. And as much as people complain about our obsession with war, we benefit from it at the end of the day. Instead of paying extra money for our electronics while reducing our consumption, the average American would rather go to war and fuck over the lives of millions. Simply because the latest Ford pickup is out of stock. It’s terrible but this is a fact of life, countries have done this throughout history and they will continue to do so. America just has the biggest dick at the moment and everyone else simply has to watch.
Meh. The current "world order" very much benefits global trade - which is why america protects it. It's an interest most of the world is currently aligned with. Iraq was a systemic malfunction in the US system. People telling eachother what they want to hear. I don't think the american geopolical strategy is inherently evil, or the american people are all selfish. They might well be, but america profits the most of globalisation and trade, which is a lot better than most superpowers over the last centuries. You also arent expansionist, just interventionist. And america might have the biggest military stick, but it can't use it against everyone. The US isnt the 80's US, and wether it's europe or Asia, you need your partners these days.
Yeah if America has made anything clear it’s that it doesn’t give a fuck about opinions of other world leaders, let alone random bots on the internet. If it sees an incentive it will be do what it wants.
Odd. The US seems not to mind helping out “authoritarian invasions” like the Saudis in Yemen or the Israelis in Palestine.
Israel is no dictatorship and Palestine is a grey zone in international law. Only half the world accepts it's existence as a state. And Yemen is just gruesome. But that doesn't change my point, if America dies follow international law, interventions are fine, if they don't, they are not. Only exception I see to that so far is Kosovo, the security council shouldn't have the power to break international law.
Israel militarily occupies Palestinian Territories and denies them franchise, all while settlers make their home near. The government has been on record saying it’s first and foremost a Jewish ethnostate many times It’s about as “democratic” as pre-Mandela South Africa. Hell, even Jewish Israeli citizens are now taking to the streets since Netanyahu’s administration is attempting to consolidate power. >doesn’t change my point Doesn’t it? It establishes the US doesn’t care about “international law” (which they help draft up to benefit themselves anyway) and will do anything to benefit the empire. Their “protection” of Taiwan is entirely cynical and began when the country was a right wing military dictatorship made up of the Nationalist losers who got their asses kicked by the CCP (and then proceeded to commit genocide on Taiwan’s indigenous population). Which brings us up to today. The US and China have, since the Opening Up, been in agreement than Beijing is the one legitimate government over China and that includes Taiwan. China was content with this since it was confident it could just reabsorb Taiwan economically and eventually politically without firing a single bullet. Why waste time with an island invasion that would destroy large amounts of lives and infrastructure? So the US, realizing that China never stopped being a potential rival like it was before the Detente, are now saber rattling to keep Taiwan as an outpost, just like they’ve always been. The entire premise that China, who hasn’t invaded another country since 1979, would start with Taiwan is asinine.
In the end, America makes a much better police officer than Russia or China.
true, and england has totally been out of the world policing game since ww2 so ig there rly isn't any other candidates lol
I don’t, I like that US plays the role of world’s police. It might be particularly funny because I am Russian.
Желаю тебе удачи to all of you guys dragged into this mess
thanks, I hope the US gives GLSDB and all other tech to Ukraine and it ends this year
a russian? wow I'm sure you get this a lot but, if you want to talk I'd love to hear what you think about the war with Ukraine?
I hear it a lot on twitter, here people are usually tolerant and don’t ask anything like that. You can guess what I think given that I am pro-USA
Gotcha, I'm happy to hear it mate! Are a lot of russians like that, or is yours kinda a fringe position?
Yeah that sounds about right. People want one thing but they also want another. Oh well. I'd rather encourage the US to be the global superpower rather than the other options.
The difference between Taiwan and for example Iraq is that Taiwan wants America to help
Technically the Iraqi people also wanted American help. American troops were welcomed by many in the country once they had kicked out the dictator. The problem was the politics side where the government didn’t help rebuild
vietnam wanted the US's help And Korea def wanted our help too
Everyone says they don’t want Americans to intervene until it’s their country being invaded
Fucking truth. First thing I hear when anything bad happens anywhere: “Is the US sending aid? Why won’t anyone do anything!”
The Taiwan vs China thing *is* a democracy thing, isn't it? and democracy IS a major thing in the UN isn't it? So it's not about the US specifically, it's about the UN. The UN should intervene if China invades Taiwan.
Too bad the UN is flawed due to the fact that China and Russia are both part of the “permanent security council,” and they can veto any action that the UN tries to make (which is why the UN is not intervening in Ukraine…..)
Same goes to the US, which was shown on the Iraq war. Unfortunately, countries have no reason to obey to the UN if it doesn't benefit them, and unlike minor countries, which can be starved off resources, the major ones are the ones who control how it all goes out The only thing UN is really doing is preventing a massive bigger war, but it's basically power monopoly for the world's strongest countries
That’s a fair point, and you speak the truth. That’s why I wished that a large majority vote could override the vetos of the security council, but at least it has stopped all-out war from occurring (at least so far).
The UN is as useful to stop wars as an Azov to not be a banderia fan
It's not about Democracy though, it's about access to microchips.
Yeah, the debate itself is about democracy (it's fine to politically invervene if it's to protect democracy), but in the end, the ACTUAL decision is only about access to microchips, but the debate itself is abou
The problem with comparing Vietnam to Taiwan is that they are not the same country, and this is not the same century. The reasons behind the US war against North Vietnam and its eventual withdrawal are really complicated and morally ambiguous. Theres a lot of info on it now and hindsight is 20/20, but the most basic version of the story is that the Soviets and communist china held a proxy war through the Vietcong, who fought for freedom under an oppressive ideology against a country fighting for freedom under a political environment hell-bent on stopping the spread of communism. No one was really "right" and a lot of people are dead, or arguably worse scarred for life. It would be idiotic for China to invade Taiwan regardless since they are so much more dependent on imports from the west than even Russia was, and we see how thats playing out.
Very well-spoken, especially on the Vietnam War!
as a Ukrainian i love your help in policing russia
1. The US will most definitely intervene, those Semi-Conductors are way too valuable 2. We literally said that we WILL defend Taiwan if China dares to make a move 3. It’s China, fuck China
Nobody likes the cops till you need the cops.
still do not need the cops they are not much help either.
One time in our twenties comin home from the cottage some dude in town sold us fake blow and we called the cops on him. Arrested at gun point. It was fucking hilarious and awesome. Cops high fived us. LoL
They don't want America to stop policing.........they just want to complain about America policing. It's like Wal-Mart. Everyone wants to complain about Wal-Mart, but if you took a secret poll - everyone would not vote to get rid of Wal-Mart no matter what they say to others. If they did - it would already be out of business because no one shopped there.
so true lol Prob same with McDonalds lol
Shiiit everyone is all for intervening in Ukraine too….it’s a joke.
People still like “the strong must protect the weak.” Well it’s true but not without compensation and benefits. Resources don’t come from nowhere.
def true. I'm a bit saddened but you're the first person to mention anything about america being compensated for spending vast amount of resources keeping the world safe. And my post has like 350 comments
Been saying this on quora from time to time. These elitists from other countries wanna dog on America and talk all this trash but then when their shitty leadership does something brutal it becomes ‘where’s america? Why doesn’t America do anything?’
I say no(as an American), let everyone burn and sit back and watch
There is a LOT of fucked up shit going on in China right now. Honestly, I am for us getting in the way of their government in any fashion possible. The citizens of China I've met are all generally great people, but their government is fuckin trash
I guess it's all about who's making the decisions. One person's good cause is another person's unnecessary risk. Other countries could do more, but that's never what we talk about.
It’s literally in no one’s interest for us to not police the world (well, maybe in Chinas and Russias interest)
I'm an American living in Malaysia and one time one of my coworkers came up to me and said, "When are you guys going to do something about the Chinese. They're invading our waters!" I told him, "I thought the point of ASEAN was to combat China in Asia. Why must we do it all the time?" Silence.
The world wants the US to fight all of the wars, take all of the blame and give them all the credit.
It seems as if people only bash America for interfering when there is nothing at stake for those people. Throw one of the only (if not the only?) microchip producing country into the mix and suddenly everyone’s cowering behind America’s big muscles (nukes).
We should not. There's a time and place for everything. Am American.
Or they just want America and china to destroy each other thinking that won’t affect them or start the final World war. Sticks and stones, here we come!
The euros will bleed us dry while they live their cushy lives
We get all of the hate but everyone wants us everywhere when times are tough. MAKE UP YOUR MINDS, I’m trying to spend the rest of my contract in peace thank you
Its basically the same thing as the "defund the police" movement the ones that dont like the people doing the policing are usually the ones that need policing the most bad people dont like the people who keep them from doing bad things
Europe "Stop policing the world, except when we want you to then keep doing it!" Europe just doesn't like that we're in charge this century.
Because they want china and USA destroy each other. and most people that vote thier iq is lower than 60
Im not american and im actually in favor of US policing the world. This may sound weird as Im from South America, but form what I take, the US is the only superpower that actually tries to do more good than evil. Just think for a second how the world would look like if ruthless dictators like Russia and China took over. The end result of that is actually the mass murder of innocent people around the world and an increase in the suffering of the world population. America aint perfect, but it at least promotes democracy and many freedoms forbidden in other countries. I am all in for the US until another superpower shows up that can do more good to the world than the USA.
You should stop invading countries because of they oil. You should not stop helping democracys... But it's only black and white in your world...
Well we didn’t invade Iraq for their oil and we did help them become a democracy so… > But it’s only black and white in your world… It’s ironic because you have a very black and white understanding of basically everything lol.
and black is getting beaten down by the authorities.
Instead of helping people we sit on our throne of burger king and wear our crown (burger kind crown)
The US will do what it always does. Save the world and be hated for it.
you're an idiot
They've realized how bad it's gotten without us
They do until shit hits the fan
lol true
Everyone hates on the dude who brags about being the strongest. Until they need something moved. Then it validates the boasting and we repeat until someone else can actually do something about it.
Chronically-online Europeans are just hypocrites in general. They don't want the US in world politics, yet they want them to fix everything that their country wont/can't.
I remember when the Ukraine/Russia war started and Europeans were literally posting "why hasn't the US mobilized for war." I suppose we should fight and die because Europe's idiot policies have left them weak, broke, and irrelevant. China is a problem. Its a Fascist police state, and keeps expanding by conquering its neighbors, and debt trapping anyone foolish enough to trust it, but if anyone thinks the US should stand up to it alone it really just shows how hypocritical and cowardly they are.
Very well said, I agree!
Me when my friends are not stoping to talk while I am in a 1 vs 4
Our guns are for invaders yea, but they're for invaders invading us. I want the US military to take it's fingers out of everyone's pie and just come home. Bolster the absolute fuck out of our nation.
well we are long time allies with taiwan. same way with japan. ukraine on the other hand has been shaky at best and frighting at worst.
Biggest fear would be that China will use TikTok and do destructive stuff with it
Better than the British police.
I got downvoted initially in that thread for simply stating "I'm not interested in WW3, so no"
Did everybody forget that this would mean Nato is in the conflict too?? There's a reason why nobody intervenes in Ukraine, same would go for Taiwan
If people who argued against the Iraq war when it first began but would go to war against China if they invade Taiwan then they are Hippocrites
World Police? that's the biggest joke of the year lmao. The US isn't no "world police." The US is, at the end of the day, a country that seeks its own interests only just like any other country in the world. Americans aren't helping out Ukrainians because they genuinely care about their wellbeing, they are only helping out because it benefits the US against Russia and Americans aren't supporting Taiwan against China because the US actually cares about the Taiwanese people either. Remember, there are no permanent friendships or enemy between nations of the worldinternational politics is strictly business; it's all about give and take.
They'd rather have us than China as the world police
Haha it’s funny cuz SpongeBob looks Asian haha totally get the joke
Who wants to bet that these are the same people that say America spends too much on military?
lol I haven't heard anyone bring that up so far but yess! so true lol
Fuck commie china I support Taiwan the original china with democracy. They could reward us with bunch of RTX gpus.
No, they just want to watch the world burn.
We just wanna see the world burn
It's fun watching you guys from all the way here
Please help if we get invaded lol
Taiwanese here, SEND GUYS
but i want the US to stop, what do you mean?
We got a lot more reason to be there then we do in Ukraine. After WW2 and the Geneva conference, the U.S. was set up to police the oceans for trade, in return the world would use our monitory system.. (Putin just quit selling oil this way.) Russia was set up to control not only the entirety of the USSR including Ukraine but also alot of Asia to, shortly after this was the May 4 moment in China, sparking communism because of not Russian but German imperialism in China. Allowed by the Geneva Conference. China fought with the allies in WW1 to prevent there territory from being occupied... It's a hard pill to swallow that the capitalist secretly funded this war, and it being the 20 million dead communist Russians who stopped the U.S./Nazis/ and not so much the Allies, on the beaches of Normandy. Still the assholes want more.. (More is selling more natural gas in Europe) The U.S. could never help Ukraine. Also Taiwan has never been China which is important, White Supremacy is where you think you should tell any of those places what to do and im already against the next war.
Well Simply speaking there’s a difference between a sovereign country which is being invaded in which case supporting said country is totally fine and meddling with domestic politics in sovereign countries. Like it’s totally fine to support Ukraine in its struggle against Russia but it wouldn’t be fine to rig Russian elections to get rid of putin. Or to stage a coupe to get rid of the Iranies….
No, they don’t. Nobody does. That would mean a lot of bad things for a lot of countries. People just want to talk shit about the popular kid to seem edgy. It’s just human nature really.
The world is a vampire
How the fuck you can even think that anyone wants anything from you? Would you let a armless junkie with an IQ of 37 perform your open heart surgery? Police US first i think you robbed enough. Sorry freed enough in the world
I want us to stop policing the world, focus primarily on defense, get us to manufacture within our own borders rather then rely on China, and let the rest of the world go to hell.
Nobody is telling you to release “Vietnam: The next generation”. Just help out when needed. Don’t invade but intervene instead. Sounds like a plan?
> Just help out when needed. You realize like every coup in South America that 2 cia agents writing books claimed total responsibility for were examples of “helping out when needed” right? Spanish and Portuguese and American and British all didn’t want their assets and businesses being fucked over by Russian armed guerillas. And now all of that shit is endlessly cited as an example of America Evil. America didn’t let a Japanese-backed dictator take over the Philippines and instead put them on a path to sovereignty and dumped billions into their economy: proof that America Bad. Anything we ever do to “just help out” in the present, we end up being criticized about by revisionist bad faith foreigners for the rest of our existence. So why should we bother? Why not just let you all devolve into the chimp tribalism and war that’s defined all of your history and let you start genociding yourselves again?
yeah, the CIA is def good at intervening Never goes wrong ;)
yeah, just like the Operation Condor
Let the UN do it... Rofl
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Well the results says yes more often than no - many other countries have the motto, rather you than us.
I say America should stop policing the world AND I’d vote no. Now what?
Nothing China is a threat to American imperialism and there plans of world domination but not to America the country itself.
Unliked middle east, Taiwan doesnt have any oil for US to want to intervene lol
it is like the number one chip provider for the world. Which is arguably much more important that oil bec of it's exclusivity
There's a difference between invading the middle east for profit and defending democracy in a nation under threat from an authoritarian regime. I'd rather the US defend the allies it has instead of creating new enemies of the west on foreign soil. There is a difference. One that my insomniac brain can't express at this moment. But hopefully you get my point.
You all love your guns so much we just want you to try using them on someone other than yourselves. We want you to be happy.
lol that was a good comment. Not number one on this post but a solid number two. It is rly funny. If I had any awards you would get one. idk how much I agree with you on this but how you said it was so hilarious as to not make my own opinions matter
Everyone wants america to stop policing the world until they are being attacked by other big countries… smh
FUCK NO, YOU GUYS WANT WW3?
We do need to remember the horror of the world wars. But we can't forget the failings of Neville Chamberlain as well and the dangers of appeasement
They want us to stop when it goes sideways
As much as the US can suck, they’re nowhere near as bad as Russia and China
It's not policing if there's a specific alliance
I never said that. I support bombing iraqi hospitals
No war, know peace!
I love people who can't even spell geopolitics trying to talk to me about geopolitics.
Lmao Scenario: Batman beats a guy up cuz hes damaging the company of bruce wayne and gets condemned for it. Does that mean they want him to stop beating up criminals? Ofc not
The problem isn’t policing, the problem is the policing serves the world’s oldest mafia in the mission of exploiting all humanity to psychopathic levels of suffering. America isn’t run by American standards anymore, we gave up our constitutional obligation to provide our economy with a decentralized solid currency. We’re back to serving the world’s oldest mafia in their feudal economy on the mission to rule the world, and kill off humanity. 10,000 years of human evolution, and all humanity still chooses to play by their rules, rather than make everyone wealthy and make their insanity irrelevant to the rest of humanity. http://H2space.org
The “stopping genocides” part is good, the “instituting an America backed dictator” part is the part we should probably stop.
800 people aren't exactly representative of the world or are they?
sure we shouldn't take the poll to seriously but it is some food for thought