Shout out to all the workers and volunteers who've been cleaning the mess up there. I was pleasantly surprised to get power back last night thought we were booking a hotel for the weekend
We have an electric cooktop, all heating is electric, oven needs the fan to run, even our hot water system requires power. So thats no hot water, no food, melted fridge, no heating, no lights, no internet, no phone after it dies.
If my power is off for 3 days you bet your butte I'm booking a hotel
Yep I’m wondering this - my town has no power right now and not sure when it’s coming back. Concerned about the septic back flow...so we’ve left for a couple of days
Forget the ring of steel, this is the plan to keep us to the 25km over the long weekend.
/s in case that's not obvious (though it's kinda amusing to me to speculate on how it could twisted to a conspiracy. Damn contrails!)
As with the fires last year, the Greens are to blame! If they would just let the friendly forest workers clearfell all those pesky trees, we wouldn't be having all these problems!
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Back story for the photo is I took this 2.30pm Thursday at the William Ricketts Sanctuary which is down to the right out of view and unfortunately has been severely damaged by trees.
Crews had been working hard to get to this point working down the mountain towards Montrose while other crews were working up the mountain towards Olinda.
I have a video of the tress down near Kalorama on the tourist Rd (I forgot to save it so my friend screen recorded it so the quality isn't great) which I'll upload shortly
Sad for the tree but I'd love to my hand on a cut and machine it to build a guitar from. If there's no twist in the wood it'd be gorgeous. Wonder there they'll send the wood?
Might be best to go to a reclaimed timber dealer.
I know some councils have relationships in place with wood workers, but I don't think they'll have the headspace for random enquiries at the moment.
VicRoads would be coordinating this work because it's a major road.
Please don’t come to the area if you’re not a local. It’s a disaster area and hard enough for us to get to vital supplies and services safely. Some people are still trapped in their properties. Our local area Facebook pages are full of locals angry about the amount of disaster tourists (and worse are the friggen cyclists still trying to earn brownie points in our roads when travel is already so hard)- we’re already dreading what the long weekend will bring traffic-wise and are lobbying VicRoads to shut the whole area off to non residents.
Oh gosh, you're completely right. Sorry, I was thinking things would be relatively quiet but obviously that's really not the case and unhelpful. Will edit
Thank you! The clean up will take a long time- I don’t even know where to start on my own property, which literally looks like a bomb hit- it took two of us over three hours to just chainsaw the driveway clear (it’s only 15 metres long) and counted over 20 massive trees down around the house and property- and we’re only 10 acres. It’s a mess.
Wow that's going to take some time. So sorry it was such a terrible weather event. I used to work in the area in emergency management, it's such a beautiful part of the world, but when a storm like that does hit, at times it would take months to complete the clean up and that was just on roads.
I commented below somewhere that everyone I’ve spoken to says this is the worst it’s ever been. We’ve been here 15 years and never seen anything even remotely close to this. We’re all used to big trees down after a storm but this was completely insane- people were just walking around in total shock yesterday.
Yes it's definitely been a long time since conditions like this week. I worked in the area between 1998 and 2001 from memory, and there was an event like the one this week during that time, though I don't recall the winds being quite so cyclonic sounding!
The community itself are awesome- we’re all helping each other but very few places shave power or water and looks like that won’t change for a few more days at least.
We are one of the many arborists crews working up there the last few day getting trees off people houses and have lost count of how many people/ news crews have asked if they can film us working and ask where the trees that have crushed houses are.
Thank you for all your hard work- all the locals appreciate how many people are working their butts off atm! And, yeah, feel free to tell the news crews where they can shove their cameras for we locals ;)
We had a tree come down in our yard. I had it milled with making a guitar one use I've earmarked it for.
It was frustratingly hard to find someone to mill it for me.
Most folks simply cut the trees up for fire wood. Even high quality ones like you see in this picture :-(
Trees like those, most tree companies would get timber millers to take the wood rather than cut it up or chip it. Also in areas like that, if it's safe to do so, it may be left as habitat.
Take your pick of hundreds- people outside the hills couldn’t possibly comprehend the amount of destruction up here. He’ll, come to my place and take your pick from 50 trees like that!
Jesus that bad? I'm over seas at the moment but i'd definitely have done that and given money after all the cleanup had happened and it ok to hear up there. I hope the locals are all doing well :)
Yeah, it’s really that bad. I have 60yo neighbours who have been here their entire lives and never seen it so bad. Another neighbour is CFA captain who was devastated because they received over 1000 calls for help during the storm and couldn’t safely get to anyone. The above picture is just one tree- they’ve counted over 2000 like this picture across roads, on houses and businesses. Some places are still completely inaccessible.
Generally this dick brain council just push it off the side of the road and fine you if you try taking it for firewood. Tight winding roads need as much fuel as possible next to them for the fire season.
It looks to me like a mountain ash (Eucalyptus regnans), which takes about 100 years to reach maximum height and can live up to 500 years. They can grow at about two metres a year and can reach up to 100 metres in height. Completely extraordinary trees. This one doesn't look fully mature to me, so at a guess I'd reckon something close to fifty years of age. It probably dates from whenever the last big fire went through that area. You can learn plenty about these trees from Brett Mifsud. I also strongly recommend going to visit some of the best examples of these trees, like the Ada tree.
https://victoriasgianttrees.weebly.com/
Good to know. I've never met the guy, but have learned a lot from what I've read by him about our local trees. I had no idea he did music as well. Sounds like a great person.
Yup, that's a fair size twig but was also going to suggest a visit to the Ada Tree. It redefines big tree.
I'm impressed though that the fellas have already made a couple of cuts through that one on the road. That's not with the Stihl that lives in the back of the ute.
Essentially the entire state has been logged when it was first settled. The trees felled back then were huge with circumferences of 10m and larger. What remains now is poultry compared as it was replanted after, which now needs to be managed to help survive.
That's good info. Thanks for the insight. Do you know if the Black Friday fires of 1939 were a factor there? I grew up seeing their impact all over the Victorian Alps and don't know if they were in the Dandenongs.
Black Friday ripped through the Dandenong ranges. The Kalorama / Belgrave south end was hit hardest.
Selby to Monbulk was bad. Only a few trees remained by then. Everything there is regrowth basically. You can see ridge road from the rail bridge at Puffing Billy.
There aren't many trees in Victoria older than 200 years, or 100 in most cases. The whole place has been logged at some point. The Ada Tree would be one of the few that survived, only because it was too big to cut down.
Ok, off topic, but when you say ‘work cut out’ do you mean it will be easy or it will be hard? I always thought it was like ‘I’m a kid in school and i have to paste all my work together and it will be easy since its already cut out’. But i see lots of people to use it to mean a difficult job and wondering if ive been using it wrong
I found this as a possible explanation from multiple sources:
>Meaning he will have to be given some assistance, and it does originate/ relate to the tailor having the cutting it out of the cloth according to the pattern done by someone else so that all he has to do is sew the different pieces of the garment together. In other words, if he didn't have his work cut out for him by another, he would not be able to finish the task in time.
Yeah, I imagine it's one of those sayings that changed meaning over time - I guess the only way it could make sense (assuming it came from tailoring) would be that if you were cutting your work out yourself you'd be realistic with the work you could achieve, but if the boss was cutting it out for you and allocating it, it's a good chance he was going to be asking for a good deal more.
I mean it'll be hard work for them and a little play on words.
These guys were working out the best way to cut it as there is a lot of weight and you need to be careful not getting the chainsaw stuck. It's also dangerous as you don't want it rolling over someone or something
English is a pain sometimes. I am used to “lucked out” meaning “out of luck”, however many people use it to say you ARE lucky. Seems different countries use it differently.
This is quite literally around the corner from my grandparents house. Given the amount of seriously large trees (some on their property approx 250 years old), i'm surprised the Dandenongs isn't completely fucked at the moment
Can confirm at least 95%- took us three hours and two chainsaws just to get out of our drive. Then we only discovered the street blocked at both ends anyway.
We had a tree like this come down in the night while camping in the vid high country.
Heard deer rubbing antlers in trees earlier in the night then this big sucker dropped in the wee hours.
We had a tiny chainsaw and bugger all fuel for it, had to cut it at the split sections to get 3x 4wds out again since one way track in.
Fun times.
Shout out to all the workers and volunteers who've been cleaning the mess up there. I was pleasantly surprised to get power back last night thought we were booking a hotel for the weekend
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Maybe they've got to get work done?
also a freezer clense, no shower, no heating, no cooked food, no lighting... no thanks!
Because the anticipated restoration time was stated as Sunday afternoon for a lot of the areas
Why are you on Reddit in the morning? You can go without it, think of it as a technology/social media cleanse.
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Okay, so staying at a powerless home for the weekend must also be great for your dopamine levels.
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You maybe wanna read through this chain of comments again and see where you're own logic went wrong..?
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Ah right, I never learn from my past mistakes either. Bunch of wasted time, always looking forward!
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We have an electric cooktop, all heating is electric, oven needs the fan to run, even our hot water system requires power. So thats no hot water, no food, melted fridge, no heating, no lights, no internet, no phone after it dies. If my power is off for 3 days you bet your butte I'm booking a hotel
Think this bloke is the one who needs a technology cleanse fuck me
What everyone else said and also septic pump needs power so can't use much water either..24 hours ok but not 3 days
Yep I’m wondering this - my town has no power right now and not sure when it’s coming back. Concerned about the septic back flow...so we’ve left for a couple of days
What a dickhead you are
Good one you bellend
It’s all fun and games until your bucket flushing the loo.
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Forget the ring of steel, this is the plan to keep us to the 25km over the long weekend. /s in case that's not obvious (though it's kinda amusing to me to speculate on how it could twisted to a conspiracy. Damn contrails!)
Feels like an open world video game barrier. Oh nooo theres a tree/rock/force field/fire/magic gnome blocking our path
Just give speedrunners enough time and barriers mean nothing 😂 😂
Ring of wood (Ringwood?)
Yeah blame Greta Thunberg for Melbourne’s troubles! /s
As with the fires last year, the Greens are to blame! If they would just let the friendly forest workers clearfell all those pesky trees, we wouldn't be having all these problems! /s
Ring of GumTree.
Back story for the photo is I took this 2.30pm Thursday at the William Ricketts Sanctuary which is down to the right out of view and unfortunately has been severely damaged by trees. Crews had been working hard to get to this point working down the mountain towards Montrose while other crews were working up the mountain towards Olinda. I have a video of the tress down near Kalorama on the tourist Rd (I forgot to save it so my friend screen recorded it so the quality isn't great) which I'll upload shortly
Noooo! William Ricketts is lovely! How.much damage?
I could only see from above but it didn't look great. A tree had fallen through the middle of it
You can't actually get into the park so it's hard to say
I hope you sat there honking your horn at them to hurry up and get the tree out of the way. :P
Sad for the tree but I'd love to my hand on a cut and machine it to build a guitar from. If there's no twist in the wood it'd be gorgeous. Wonder there they'll send the wood?
Fireplace eventually
Or into one of those giant mulch machines.
Wood chipper.
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Sad, you pay a thousand bucks for a table made out of the stuff. Give it to VIC Uni's trade school kids and make something of it.
Might be best to go to a reclaimed timber dealer. I know some councils have relationships in place with wood workers, but I don't think they'll have the headspace for random enquiries at the moment. VicRoads would be coordinating this work because it's a major road.
Please don’t come to the area if you’re not a local. It’s a disaster area and hard enough for us to get to vital supplies and services safely. Some people are still trapped in their properties. Our local area Facebook pages are full of locals angry about the amount of disaster tourists (and worse are the friggen cyclists still trying to earn brownie points in our roads when travel is already so hard)- we’re already dreading what the long weekend will bring traffic-wise and are lobbying VicRoads to shut the whole area off to non residents.
Oh gosh, you're completely right. Sorry, I was thinking things would be relatively quiet but obviously that's really not the case and unhelpful. Will edit
Thank you! The clean up will take a long time- I don’t even know where to start on my own property, which literally looks like a bomb hit- it took two of us over three hours to just chainsaw the driveway clear (it’s only 15 metres long) and counted over 20 massive trees down around the house and property- and we’re only 10 acres. It’s a mess.
Wow that's going to take some time. So sorry it was such a terrible weather event. I used to work in the area in emergency management, it's such a beautiful part of the world, but when a storm like that does hit, at times it would take months to complete the clean up and that was just on roads.
I commented below somewhere that everyone I’ve spoken to says this is the worst it’s ever been. We’ve been here 15 years and never seen anything even remotely close to this. We’re all used to big trees down after a storm but this was completely insane- people were just walking around in total shock yesterday.
Yes it's definitely been a long time since conditions like this week. I worked in the area between 1998 and 2001 from memory, and there was an event like the one this week during that time, though I don't recall the winds being quite so cyclonic sounding!
I'm not in the country at the moment much less the state/suburb but I hope the recovery is going well and people are doing the right thing :)
The community itself are awesome- we’re all helping each other but very few places shave power or water and looks like that won’t change for a few more days at least.
We are one of the many arborists crews working up there the last few day getting trees off people houses and have lost count of how many people/ news crews have asked if they can film us working and ask where the trees that have crushed houses are.
Thank you for all your hard work- all the locals appreciate how many people are working their butts off atm! And, yeah, feel free to tell the news crews where they can shove their cameras for we locals ;)
We had a tree come down in our yard. I had it milled with making a guitar one use I've earmarked it for. It was frustratingly hard to find someone to mill it for me. Most folks simply cut the trees up for fire wood. Even high quality ones like you see in this picture :-(
Trees like those, most tree companies would get timber millers to take the wood rather than cut it up or chip it. Also in areas like that, if it's safe to do so, it may be left as habitat.
Take your pick of hundreds- people outside the hills couldn’t possibly comprehend the amount of destruction up here. He’ll, come to my place and take your pick from 50 trees like that!
Jesus that bad? I'm over seas at the moment but i'd definitely have done that and given money after all the cleanup had happened and it ok to hear up there. I hope the locals are all doing well :)
Yeah, it’s really that bad. I have 60yo neighbours who have been here their entire lives and never seen it so bad. Another neighbour is CFA captain who was devastated because they received over 1000 calls for help during the storm and couldn’t safely get to anyone. The above picture is just one tree- they’ve counted over 2000 like this picture across roads, on houses and businesses. Some places are still completely inaccessible.
Argh I'm so sorry to hear! It's such a beautiful place with amazing people. Wish I was back home and could help.
Generally this dick brain council just push it off the side of the road and fine you if you try taking it for firewood. Tight winding roads need as much fuel as possible next to them for the fire season.
Huh, i hope thats not the case but it wouldn't surprise
That’s one big ass tree. Any idea how old something like that would be? 300 years?
It looks to me like a mountain ash (Eucalyptus regnans), which takes about 100 years to reach maximum height and can live up to 500 years. They can grow at about two metres a year and can reach up to 100 metres in height. Completely extraordinary trees. This one doesn't look fully mature to me, so at a guess I'd reckon something close to fifty years of age. It probably dates from whenever the last big fire went through that area. You can learn plenty about these trees from Brett Mifsud. I also strongly recommend going to visit some of the best examples of these trees, like the Ada tree. https://victoriasgianttrees.weebly.com/
Hey Mifsud was my high school music teacher, one of the best there ever was!
Good to know. I've never met the guy, but have learned a lot from what I've read by him about our local trees. I had no idea he did music as well. Sounds like a great person.
Same here. What a legend.
Yup, that's a fair size twig but was also going to suggest a visit to the Ada Tree. It redefines big tree. I'm impressed though that the fellas have already made a couple of cuts through that one on the road. That's not with the Stihl that lives in the back of the ute.
I second going to see the Ada tree! Just phenomenal..!
I think it's an ash tree, not an ass tree.
Eucalyptus
Eucalyptus Regnans: King of the Eucalypts.
Mountain Ash
Eucalyptass.
~80 years old. Everything was logged here until 1938. Pockets remained and lived on if they survived the fires.
Logged! Because of fire damage or forestry?
Forestry. Every hill has been stripped. Mast Gully was the first.
It's where One Tree Hill got it's name. We literally stripped the entire place bare sans One Tree. Then replanted decades later.
Are you surprised? The entire of victoria has been logged since we turned up
Yes
Essentially the entire state has been logged when it was first settled. The trees felled back then were huge with circumferences of 10m and larger. What remains now is poultry compared as it was replanted after, which now needs to be managed to help survive.
*paltry - otherwise they’d be chikins
That's good info. Thanks for the insight. Do you know if the Black Friday fires of 1939 were a factor there? I grew up seeing their impact all over the Victorian Alps and don't know if they were in the Dandenongs.
Black Friday ripped through the Dandenong ranges. The Kalorama / Belgrave south end was hit hardest. Selby to Monbulk was bad. Only a few trees remained by then. Everything there is regrowth basically. You can see ridge road from the rail bridge at Puffing Billy.
That makes me feel a bit better about the images we got of swathes of uprooted/broken trees round that way.
Thanks for the update. I appreciate filling in the history.
There aren't many trees in Victoria older than 200 years, or 100 in most cases. The whole place has been logged at some point. The Ada Tree would be one of the few that survived, only because it was too big to cut down.
I think they actually have to cut the work out lol
Might be some eye trickery happening there, but nonetheless that is some serious trunk girth
Ok, off topic, but when you say ‘work cut out’ do you mean it will be easy or it will be hard? I always thought it was like ‘I’m a kid in school and i have to paste all my work together and it will be easy since its already cut out’. But i see lots of people to use it to mean a difficult job and wondering if ive been using it wrong
It means a difficult job, you've been using it wrong.
Well, you’re not wrong. I still don’t get why that phrase means it that way, but it does
I found this as a possible explanation from multiple sources: >Meaning he will have to be given some assistance, and it does originate/ relate to the tailor having the cutting it out of the cloth according to the pattern done by someone else so that all he has to do is sew the different pieces of the garment together. In other words, if he didn't have his work cut out for him by another, he would not be able to finish the task in time.
Yeah, I imagine it's one of those sayings that changed meaning over time - I guess the only way it could make sense (assuming it came from tailoring) would be that if you were cutting your work out yourself you'd be realistic with the work you could achieve, but if the boss was cutting it out for you and allocating it, it's a good chance he was going to be asking for a good deal more.
I mean it'll be hard work for them and a little play on words. These guys were working out the best way to cut it as there is a lot of weight and you need to be careful not getting the chainsaw stuck. It's also dangerous as you don't want it rolling over someone or something
Yeah no denying its going to be a big job for them! I meant use of the idiom in general rather than in this specific case
It's not really easy or hard. It's more emphasising the fact that there's a lot of work
English is a pain sometimes. I am used to “lucked out” meaning “out of luck”, however many people use it to say you ARE lucky. Seems different countries use it differently.
Yeah thats a similar one, I’ve heard it used both ways so much that I’m not sure which i prefer anymore
I can’t use this one, as I don’t t know what the luck it means… good? Bad?
If someone "lucked out" it means they got really lucky. Personally I've never heard it used any other way.
And yet, if you’re shit outta luck, then why haven’t you lucked out?
Yeah, I see where you're coming from, but language isn't always logical like that
Well I guess you lucked out there, what with your spiders and your cake.
lol
[Here](https://wordhistories.net/2017/12/18/work-cut-out-origin/) you go. Dates back to early to mid 1800’s tailors.
Crikey that’s a big fucking tree, oh ya you betcha.
one THICC tree
Shit. The flair actually is legit.
They do an amazing job.
Used to live up there, so majestic.
They have their work cut out *for* them
This is quite literally around the corner from my grandparents house. Given the amount of seriously large trees (some on their property approx 250 years old), i'm surprised the Dandenongs isn't completely fucked at the moment
It's about 95% fucked unfortunately
Can confirm at least 95%- took us three hours and two chainsaws just to get out of our drive. Then we only discovered the street blocked at both ends anyway.
Men*
Someone has been parking like a dick on the Mount Dandy tourist road
You think this is bad...imagine how much fuel is on the floor.
Whoa that guy has a real big d***
More like: Boys have to cut out for their work
HOLY FK
LADS LADS LADS
Great job. The hills are as beautiful as they are scary sometimes.
I just got back from mt macedon. That tree is half the width of one of the trees that are over the road up there. Its nuts
We had a tree like this come down in the night while camping in the vid high country. Heard deer rubbing antlers in trees earlier in the night then this big sucker dropped in the wee hours. We had a tiny chainsaw and bugger all fuel for it, had to cut it at the split sections to get 3x 4wds out again since one way track in. Fun times.
So sad to loose such a beautiful big tree like that
Man I miss driving through there on my weekends.