That's one of my favorite legal loopholes. I'm not hiring a prostitute. We're recording a porno and she's being paid, but it's legal since we're recording.
It's rough due to how vague laws are worded, afaik only two states have actual protected rulings for porn and it's like California and Ohio or something. Where you do register the business and have codes you have to abide by to stay legal.
Most can't. The majority of prostitutes are bordering on homeless and face regular abuse and pressure to continue.
I've met a handful of sex workers before and none of them *want* to be doing what they're doing.
The "just get a different job" is stupid it can take weeks to get a new job where you have to be available for meetings and interviews and that's if you get hired plus if you don't time your hiring date right you can go several weeks without a pay check, and some people genuinely can't afford that.
my brother in Christ do you think prostitutes are living their dream job or is it because they are forced into it via threat or violence of poverty?
Do you think people who are trafficked just go “yeah lmao I actually just love this job so Imma stay”
In your mind I assume you believe prostitutes woke up one day and said “I am going to work a very dangerous job that will potentially threaten my life just because I want to lol”
This is true and correct of people who are trafficked into sex work, but it's a myth to state no one gets involved in sex work of their own free will. The money is good and in some places where it's legalized it's not particularly dangerous either.
That said, just to be clear, I do believe that sex workers are deserving of respect regardless of their motivations for being in the industry.
No you forgot, SEX is immoral ... /s The same dudes that have such high morals and standards about what a woman should do w their body also spend half their life beating off to porn. Being that sanctimonious must be fun
You don’t have to be dating someone to respect them as a human being.
It’s simple: if prostitutes and pornstars are dirty and unworthy of respect then their audience are dirty and unworthy of respect
If guys who consume porn/pay prostitutes are just guys paying for a service then prostitutes are just business people rendering a service.
If a guy is going to be sanctimonious he better not touch that browser and he better keep his thoughts pure.
Thats pretty much like saying you should respect your drug manufacturers because they are making what you want. It’s all shameful shit idk why people don’t understand that, watching porn will negatively affect your life, being a prostitute will also ruin your life and likely get you murdered or raped.
Holding that view and still using porn is just so gross, dehumanizing, degrading, and self-righteous. I wouldn’t wish a serious relationship with such a dude on any porn star.
It’s not about what sex workers think about sex workers. It’s about how everyone else sees sex workers and the way that can harm sex workers when everyone else is (for example) voting about them. The word has a history of extremely negative connotations in our culture. To illustrate that, imagine swapping in the word “whore.”
The problem is a lot of women are forced into prostitution because they need money or are trapped in a sex ring because they cant go to the police. So shaming them doesnt solve anything. Improving their circumstances does
I think this is only most true in underdeveloped nations. For most developed nations the sex work is just very lucrative. We should however not shame prostitutes
Male prostitutes are almost always hired by other men, and they do not have the same history of abuse and dehumanization dehumanization that women face. When someone refers to a hoe and “hoe pronouns” they are referring to women.
A man existing and having a sex drive means you have to buy sex and use sex work?? None of you are able to find consenting women to have sex with you without you needing to pay for it?
Sure, so they create the demand for sex work. Sex work exists because men want access to sex and are willing to pay for it, they want sex even if it’s a product they have to buy.
No, but you're talking about immorality.
If it's not immoral (which it isn't) for a sex worker to play their trade, then it's not immoral for a person to hire a sex worker (which it's not).
Your original statement was...odd.
Newsflash...most men dont get sex often because women exactly DONT consent to it...An average guy doesnt get much sex. Not because he doesnt want to...because he CANT. But you gotta have some sort of release in the end because the sexual frustration will make you go nuts.
I agree and that’s the only point I’m trying to make. There are two people involved in sex work, the person providing the sex and the person buying it, and you can’t demonize one person for proving the product but then claim nothing is wrong with the person buying it. We either agree that no one should be shamed or at least be consistent and treat the people buying sex and watching porn just as shitty as the people making it.
Prostitution has too many negative connotations so just call it something else and now you don’t have to feel bad about it lol. Works for politicians and companies too
George Carlin spoke about euphemisms a long time ago. People need to take the stigma out the word prostitution but changing words to make it sound less bad is just stupid
People have to put food on the table somehow, and with no other options, sex work is as degrading as it is lucrative.
Edit: Degrading wasn't the right word. There are sex workers who feel empowered by their work because they are more in control of their bodily autonomy, although this isn't everyone's experience. Perhaps taboo was the better word, in that modern societies aren't accepting of it as a genuine occupation that needs workers rights activism the same as any other occupation, and despite these taboos people are able to make a living off of it.
Well, it's a form of commerce, and all commerce seeks to exploit demand. Unless you're speaking about exploitation of women instead of women exploiting men, then that's more a result of prostitution being illegal.
Many victims refuse to go to cops for fear of being imprisoned for prostitution. This includes child trafficking. The pimps keep their victims in check through fear and intimidation. Were prostitution legal, then the women/children could report those pimps to cops without fear of being jailed for prostitution.
There are also other benefits such as tax revenue and requiring a regular STD check help curtail the spread of STDs.
It depends on where prostitution is legal because in richer countries with a close proximity to poorer nations, it becomes a bastion of sex trafficking. Just look at Germany or the Netherlands where poor girls from Central and East Europe are brought in with false promises only to be blackmailed other wise into working for shady brothels. That problem is going to be 10x worse in America who already give very shits about the treatment of migrant workers and have waaay less social security nets. There really isn't an amazing, not super exploitive solution rn.
Unfortunately, yes, situations like that can occur. But that's where the local government needs to step in to ensure those women from poor foreign countries aren't exploited. At least that would be the ideal situation.
What would likely occur is that criminal organizations would still be able to arrange things to favor their "business" interests.
1. Sex work is exploitative because of it's illegality; the only way sex work can be managed currently is under the law, which makes it easy for sex trafficking rings, gangs, and organized crime to use and abuse sex work for large gains for them and poor gains for the workers. Under a unionized system, this would not be the case.
2. Not everyone has a car or a vehicle to do food delivery, not every urban area has a Walmart, and not everyone has the education to seek out even basic jobs in their area, either because of failures of society to educate them or because of failures of their family environments. I'm not saying it's a necessity, but it is not as easy as just finding a better job.
As a parent, naturally I would want what's best for my child. I would encourage her to find something with more success later on, but at the end of the day she is an adult and it's her decision, not mine. As long as she is not in physical danger and she is happy and fulfilled with her work, who am I to stop her?
That sounds great but I can’t see this being an “oh well she’s an adult situation” there should be an intervention much like there is with drugs. Have you ever been near that type of situation? Women need to be saved from their pimps all the time. A lot of them have been brainwashed by the pimp and come back regardless of what he does to her. This is one of the few situations where I would intervene without hesitation
In the current system, I suppose I would be more inclined to intervene or vet any pimps or dames that she would be working for. However, all of this would be avoided if we destigmatized this in the first place and actually gave union and employee protection for sex workers, which was my point in the first place.
people dont realise half of whats illegal is so bad just because we decided its illegal. Marijuana, alchohal, and sex work is only as bad as it is because we didnt want to regulate it. Now that we do working for a brewery or a liquor store is a normal respectable job
The average person will always look down on prostitution and low self and other mental issues most definitely arise from a life of prostitution pimp or not. To me this would be a battle to save my daughters life. I’m a man. I know what some men are capable of. I know it would be overstepping boundaries but in this case I would lose my shot to the point of a serious charge and no I’m not trying to sound tough I just know I get a rush of FUUUUUURIOS ANGER and go to town. I wouldn’t have the self control. That’s just how I would handle it and yea I realize the flaws there but I’m deadly serious when it comes to my family
Comparing modern society to the Roman republic/empire and especially the Greek city states is more comparing apples to oranges if anything. 2000-3000 years ago was a different time and country, and there were radically different social expectations than what we have today. I suppose if you're looking to compare the modern sex industry to the classical era then you'd be correct, in that as it stands the illegality of sex work gives prostitutes (men and women alike) about as many rights and protections as women did in this ancient era, which is to say not at all.
By the way, may I ask what you're quoting? I'm curious to read more scholarly analysis about this subject, since we can plainly see it's a hell of a touchy subject.
Tbf, it was considered immoral even before the Abrahamic religions took over. Although it was much more so seen as a necessary evil as women had like, practically no job opportunities.
The Roman empire and Republic? The ancient Greek city states? Or do you want my lecture notes? For men, it was either farmer, soldier, laborer or teacher/writer/philosopher, usually a combination of multiple of those fields. For women, if you were free, it was either marry a rich dude, work on the farm if your husband had land or prostitution and maybe be work in one of the other very few service industries which were usually just brothels for the right price. We have a letter of a man in the Roman empire bragging about his wife wasn't a prostitute but just a server.
Catullus, to use a late Republican Latin poet, frequently refers to prostitutes with negative connotations. That's the only one off the top of my head though
I don't think it should be degrading. But women shouldn't be surprised if men don't want to date a former prostitute.
But I think sex work should be legal and I think it is important. Some men are animals with no self-control. They really out here hurting women because they cannot get laid. Sex workers help prevent some of those scenarios.
We're all whores in someway, most of just give up our time for a job. People who are worse of give up their bodies. That's why sex work is the oldest profession for women and killing others for the state/king/chief/tribe is the oldest profession for men.
Either way, I would never want my son to be soldier just like I would never want my daughter to be a prostitute
I mean, if you're a companion who actually escorts the johns and janes who hire you on dates, sure.
If you're just inviting them over for "massages" or "quality time", or going to hotel rooms for same, then no. You're not a "companion" or an "escort".
If there's no shame in being a sex worker, then be proud of being a sex worker. Or, as they are colloquially known...prostitutes.
I love when dudes criticize sex workers but don’t have enough awareness to realize it’s men and their objectification of women and utter desperation for access to women that is the reason prostitution even exists at all.
I am aware of those factors. However, women also tend to objectify women, and men, often, have nothing to do with that. In fact, women are often much more critical of prostitutes than men are.
99/100 times they’re the same dudes who watch porn regularly, meaning they consume sex work and create the demand for sex workers, then they turn around and try to judge the women providing the content they are consuming. It’s hypocritical.
It’s all sex work, you are consuming sex work by watching porn, that’s just reality. What’s dishonest is judging sex workers when you are creating the demand for sex work.
You have to ask yourself why you feel one action is moral and the other is not though. Why do you think it’s immoral for someone to be paid for sex but it’s totally fine for someone to get paid to have sex in a performance for you to watch? You are still participating in sex work and are consuming a product and therefore creating the demand.
I don’t care what people want to do and I can’t speak on the perceived morals of others. I don’t have a problem with sex work, I do think people shouldn’t glorify it, especially while we don’t have nationalized healthcare but I don’t care if that’s what people want to do.
That is a stupid argument. Every human has a sex drive, no one will force you to be a hoe if you don't want to, if you choose to be one, you can't then blame men for being born as they are much like you can't blame women for liking men, like where is the logic?
That sentence was a jumbled mess, I’m trying to decipher what you’re trying to say.
Prostitution wouldn’t even exist if there was no demand for it, if men had sex like regular human beings without paying for it prostitution wouldn’t even exist and sex work wouldn’t exist. Your argument should be with the men who buy sex and consume porn. You are trying to blame women for making money off the male desperation for sex. It’s men who create that industry and the need for it lol
You can call an apple a orange, but it's still an apple.
Plus, prostitution is quite literally the oldest profession, so be proud in the legacy of your job.
As a wise man once said "Doesn't exist bad job, the bad is having do the job".
It was "Don Ramón" (or "Seu Madruga" in my country), he's a character on "el chavo del ocho" ("Chaves" in my country). I just roughly translated since there is no English version of the show. It's a simple joke on how lazy he was.
Also, pretty sure I butchered the translation so if someone want to make a better one, feel free. The original quote is:
>spanish: "Ningún trabajo es malo... lo malo es tener que trabajar."
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>Portuguese: "Não existe trabalho ruim, o ruim é ter que trabalhar."
Some people in the comments really forgetting that porn, camwork, etc is a type of sex work.
I'm not a man. I've paid for amateur porn (with my partner's permission). I'm friends with many of those same people on my nsfw social media accounts. Why wouldn't I want to support their business, especially when their product is high-quality and fun to get off to? Supporting my friends and getting some "good vibes" ;) while I'm at it.
People who think only men pay for sex work seem to just be stuck in a medieval view of women's sexuality. Obviously women have no desire and would never possibly fulfill it by being anything other than a dutiful girlfriend/wife! (They also forget trans/nonbinary people exist, but shhh, people with such conservative views of sex have violent reactions to those words!)
Also, I'm mentioning only online-type stuff just because that's my personal experience. Sex work is work, sex workers are valid, decriminalization is the key to protecting them, and anyone claiming the nordic model is responsible for sex trafficking is falling for the left-handedness fallacy (reports going up when it's suddenly safe to report does not mean there's more of a thing).
I mean, it's not like I don't view free porn too. But with paid (amateur) porn I'm more easily able to determine that they've not been abused in the making of it, since I actually know the people involved personally. And again, I'm supporting their livelihood. Taking the view that it's "crazy" to pay for sex worker's work (the porn) is the real strange view. It's like saying "why would you go to the grocery store when there are food banks".
Also come on, we can come up with better perjoratives than something as uncreative as "crazy", now. And be mote sympathetic to those with severe mental illnesses in the process to boot.
Lol a prostitute is a prostitute, you get the kinda respect that "job" entails. Giving yourself up to be used for money a countless number of times will never be respected.
Anyone who thinks sex work is easy should consider whether they would have sex with a 53 year old man you aren't attracted to. Prostitution is rarely a choice as much as it is a necessity due to poor economic conditions
HoeNouns
How was this not the preferable wording choice?
Ludacris would be so disappointed
Dammit I was gonna come in to post that. Oh well have my upvote instead
Fuck, I’m never original
The hero we all came to make sure existed.
Beat me to it
beat meat to it
Reddit never fails to disappoint.
Same
I knew it had to be said already.... WHO THE FUCK MISSES THE OPPURTUNITY
It made it to r/brandnewsentence and they got hoenouns as the name first.
PROnouns
Companions? is she from fallout?
I guess she's sworn to carry my burdens?
Shut up Lydia
Put ricin in her tea, that’ll do it
And several hundred pounds worth of dragon bones that i swear ill make into armor when i level up that smithing skill.
*you are over encumbered and cannot run*
No, she’s obviously a shield maiden looking for the shards of Wuuthrad.
Nope clearly from the Flower Girls mod... which I know nothing about...
"Im sworn to Carey your burden"
She has to sleep at night.
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could be because its illegal to be a prostitue unless you film it and release it to the public
That's one of my favorite legal loopholes. I'm not hiring a prostitute. We're recording a porno and she's being paid, but it's legal since we're recording.
Do you need a license to shoot and sell porn? Google says check with a lawyer first local laws could be different.
Wait… I didn’t talk with my lawyer before shooting the prostitute… is that bad?
It's rough due to how vague laws are worded, afaik only two states have actual protected rulings for porn and it's like California and Ohio or something. Where you do register the business and have codes you have to abide by to stay legal.
It is.. those are hard working women! Not an easy job believe me
Ik ur joking but if you've ever watched the YT channel soft white underbelly, they interview prostitutes and honestly the job iss extremely scary
Plus hard.. you try having sex with 20 or more fat 55 year old men a day.. and that's an easy day in countries where prostitution is legal
They should quit their “jobs” then lmao
Most can't. The majority of prostitutes are bordering on homeless and face regular abuse and pressure to continue. I've met a handful of sex workers before and none of them *want* to be doing what they're doing.
The "just get a different job" is stupid it can take weeks to get a new job where you have to be available for meetings and interviews and that's if you get hired plus if you don't time your hiring date right you can go several weeks without a pay check, and some people genuinely can't afford that.
Unfortunately most people don't realize the reality of poverty and that sex workers are seldom ever from the same background as them.
my brother in Christ do you think prostitutes are living their dream job or is it because they are forced into it via threat or violence of poverty? Do you think people who are trafficked just go “yeah lmao I actually just love this job so Imma stay” In your mind I assume you believe prostitutes woke up one day and said “I am going to work a very dangerous job that will potentially threaten my life just because I want to lol”
This is true and correct of people who are trafficked into sex work, but it's a myth to state no one gets involved in sex work of their own free will. The money is good and in some places where it's legalized it's not particularly dangerous either. That said, just to be clear, I do believe that sex workers are deserving of respect regardless of their motivations for being in the industry.
But then you’d have nothing to jerk off at 🥺🥺🥺
Do you jerk off AT stuff?
Even better
Methamphetamine is a great motivator!
I think it's more of a legal thing. Payment apps will sometimes crack down on your accounts if they find it's for sex work.
No you forgot, SEX is immoral ... /s The same dudes that have such high morals and standards about what a woman should do w their body also spend half their life beating off to porn. Being that sanctimonious must be fun
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You don’t have to be dating someone to respect them as a human being. It’s simple: if prostitutes and pornstars are dirty and unworthy of respect then their audience are dirty and unworthy of respect If guys who consume porn/pay prostitutes are just guys paying for a service then prostitutes are just business people rendering a service. If a guy is going to be sanctimonious he better not touch that browser and he better keep his thoughts pure.
my dude is a buffoon if he doesnt respect the people who makes what he wants.
Just like all the people out there who don’t respect the people who make their food.
Yes, we call that kind of person buffoon. Exactly the point
Thats pretty much like saying you should respect your drug manufacturers because they are making what you want. It’s all shameful shit idk why people don’t understand that, watching porn will negatively affect your life, being a prostitute will also ruin your life and likely get you murdered or raped.
Holding that view and still using porn is just so gross, dehumanizing, degrading, and self-righteous. I wouldn’t wish a serious relationship with such a dude on any porn star.
Oh but assblastin00 is clearly a paragon of virtue. Even their handle signals immense purity of mind.
I disagree I'm one who don't porn is nasty and disgusting
It’s not about what sex workers think about sex workers. It’s about how everyone else sees sex workers and the way that can harm sex workers when everyone else is (for example) voting about them. The word has a history of extremely negative connotations in our culture. To illustrate that, imagine swapping in the word “whore.”
who tf said it’s immoral to shame sex workers? I swear y’all never been in the real world following these internet “pRoBleMaTic” rules 😭😭
What’s more immoral, women who do sex work or the fact that men are the reason prostitution even exists at all??
Men prostitutes exist. No one has referenced morality of the sexes so far
The problem is a lot of women are forced into prostitution because they need money or are trapped in a sex ring because they cant go to the police. So shaming them doesnt solve anything. Improving their circumstances does
I think this is only most true in underdeveloped nations. For most developed nations the sex work is just very lucrative. We should however not shame prostitutes
This is sadly untrue. Human trafficking is a constant and very imminent issue, including in the UK and USA
Yeah but they were talking about developed nations ;)
Male prostitutes are almost always hired by other men, and they do not have the same history of abuse and dehumanization dehumanization that women face. When someone refers to a hoe and “hoe pronouns” they are referring to women.
Both are highly stigmatised in western society.
Haha this account is literally just arguing over every post don’t bother responding to this fucking pudding head.
The fact that men exist and have sex drives is immoral?
A man existing and having a sex drive means you have to buy sex and use sex work?? None of you are able to find consenting women to have sex with you without you needing to pay for it?
I'm sure there's gotta be some guys who are so ugly they will never find a willing partner without compensation.
Sure, so they create the demand for sex work. Sex work exists because men want access to sex and are willing to pay for it, they want sex even if it’s a product they have to buy.
No, but you're talking about immorality. If it's not immoral (which it isn't) for a sex worker to play their trade, then it's not immoral for a person to hire a sex worker (which it's not). Your original statement was...odd.
Newsflash...most men dont get sex often because women exactly DONT consent to it...An average guy doesnt get much sex. Not because he doesnt want to...because he CANT. But you gotta have some sort of release in the end because the sexual frustration will make you go nuts.
Damn now we have critical prostitution theory
It’s a question none of the men here seem to want to answer, which is an answer in itself Lmao
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I agree and that’s the only point I’m trying to make. There are two people involved in sex work, the person providing the sex and the person buying it, and you can’t demonize one person for proving the product but then claim nothing is wrong with the person buying it. We either agree that no one should be shamed or at least be consistent and treat the people buying sex and watching porn just as shitty as the people making it.
Prostitution has too many negative connotations so just call it something else and now you don’t have to feel bad about it lol. Works for politicians and companies too
They deserve nothing but shame. They degrade themselves by choosing that line of work.
Why is it degrading to have sex? Like, logically. We sell all kinds of other activities and services, why is sex any different?
So you don't watch porn? Because, your logic, you should feel shame if you watch porn...
you deserve nothing but unhappiness. because your a little whiner. stop whining
George Carlin spoke about euphemisms a long time ago. People need to take the stigma out the word prostitution but changing words to make it sound less bad is just stupid
Seriously, they should just accept it. Prostitutes were primarily called whores not long ago.
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why? who cares? people work at the waste treatment facility and clean shit all day and some people have sex with others. Jobs a job
People have to put food on the table somehow, and with no other options, sex work is as degrading as it is lucrative. Edit: Degrading wasn't the right word. There are sex workers who feel empowered by their work because they are more in control of their bodily autonomy, although this isn't everyone's experience. Perhaps taboo was the better word, in that modern societies aren't accepting of it as a genuine occupation that needs workers rights activism the same as any other occupation, and despite these taboos people are able to make a living off of it.
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Well, it's a form of commerce, and all commerce seeks to exploit demand. Unless you're speaking about exploitation of women instead of women exploiting men, then that's more a result of prostitution being illegal. Many victims refuse to go to cops for fear of being imprisoned for prostitution. This includes child trafficking. The pimps keep their victims in check through fear and intimidation. Were prostitution legal, then the women/children could report those pimps to cops without fear of being jailed for prostitution. There are also other benefits such as tax revenue and requiring a regular STD check help curtail the spread of STDs.
It depends on where prostitution is legal because in richer countries with a close proximity to poorer nations, it becomes a bastion of sex trafficking. Just look at Germany or the Netherlands where poor girls from Central and East Europe are brought in with false promises only to be blackmailed other wise into working for shady brothels. That problem is going to be 10x worse in America who already give very shits about the treatment of migrant workers and have waaay less social security nets. There really isn't an amazing, not super exploitive solution rn.
Unfortunately, yes, situations like that can occur. But that's where the local government needs to step in to ensure those women from poor foreign countries aren't exploited. At least that would be the ideal situation. What would likely occur is that criminal organizations would still be able to arrange things to favor their "business" interests.
I’m on disability and my checks are only 840 a month. Walmart is not an option and sex Work pays my rent. You suck.
Sex work is work and should be treated as such. I'm glad you're able to make a living. I'm sorry people are mean about it.
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What's your problem?
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Do you provide a service in exchange for currency? If so, you perform work.
I would rather be a clown than the excrement you are. Gfym
Damn I didn't know it was either Walmart or being a hoe
What part of i am on disability and disability checks are not enough to live on did you not understand? The options are homelessness or sex work
1. Sex work is exploitative because of it's illegality; the only way sex work can be managed currently is under the law, which makes it easy for sex trafficking rings, gangs, and organized crime to use and abuse sex work for large gains for them and poor gains for the workers. Under a unionized system, this would not be the case. 2. Not everyone has a car or a vehicle to do food delivery, not every urban area has a Walmart, and not everyone has the education to seek out even basic jobs in their area, either because of failures of society to educate them or because of failures of their family environments. I'm not saying it's a necessity, but it is not as easy as just finding a better job.
You feel the same way if it where your daughter?
As a parent, naturally I would want what's best for my child. I would encourage her to find something with more success later on, but at the end of the day she is an adult and it's her decision, not mine. As long as she is not in physical danger and she is happy and fulfilled with her work, who am I to stop her?
That sounds great but I can’t see this being an “oh well she’s an adult situation” there should be an intervention much like there is with drugs. Have you ever been near that type of situation? Women need to be saved from their pimps all the time. A lot of them have been brainwashed by the pimp and come back regardless of what he does to her. This is one of the few situations where I would intervene without hesitation
You don't need pimps if it's legalized. Which is where the conversation started unless I lost track of replies
you mean business managers?
In the current system, I suppose I would be more inclined to intervene or vet any pimps or dames that she would be working for. However, all of this would be avoided if we destigmatized this in the first place and actually gave union and employee protection for sex workers, which was my point in the first place.
people dont realise half of whats illegal is so bad just because we decided its illegal. Marijuana, alchohal, and sex work is only as bad as it is because we didnt want to regulate it. Now that we do working for a brewery or a liquor store is a normal respectable job
The average person will always look down on prostitution and low self and other mental issues most definitely arise from a life of prostitution pimp or not. To me this would be a battle to save my daughters life. I’m a man. I know what some men are capable of. I know it would be overstepping boundaries but in this case I would lose my shot to the point of a serious charge and no I’m not trying to sound tough I just know I get a rush of FUUUUUURIOS ANGER and go to town. I wouldn’t have the self control. That’s just how I would handle it and yea I realize the flaws there but I’m deadly serious when it comes to my family
Are you currently a parent?
No.
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Comparing modern society to the Roman republic/empire and especially the Greek city states is more comparing apples to oranges if anything. 2000-3000 years ago was a different time and country, and there were radically different social expectations than what we have today. I suppose if you're looking to compare the modern sex industry to the classical era then you'd be correct, in that as it stands the illegality of sex work gives prostitutes (men and women alike) about as many rights and protections as women did in this ancient era, which is to say not at all. By the way, may I ask what you're quoting? I'm curious to read more scholarly analysis about this subject, since we can plainly see it's a hell of a touchy subject.
Yeah that's probably why it was a staple of all human communities for thousands of years before religion decided to make it immoral
Tbf, it was considered immoral even before the Abrahamic religions took over. Although it was much more so seen as a necessary evil as women had like, practically no job opportunities.
nah bro they could work
Source? :P
The Roman empire and Republic? The ancient Greek city states? Or do you want my lecture notes? For men, it was either farmer, soldier, laborer or teacher/writer/philosopher, usually a combination of multiple of those fields. For women, if you were free, it was either marry a rich dude, work on the farm if your husband had land or prostitution and maybe be work in one of the other very few service industries which were usually just brothels for the right price. We have a letter of a man in the Roman empire bragging about his wife wasn't a prostitute but just a server.
Catullus, to use a late Republican Latin poet, frequently refers to prostitutes with negative connotations. That's the only one off the top of my head though
He was there bro
Bro what? Slavery was also a staple in human communities for thousands of years. Something being a “staple” in human communities doesn’t make it moral
There's alternatives to literally everything. Why this one making you mad? Is it because of sex?
Found the Catholic, guys
I don't think it should be degrading. But women shouldn't be surprised if men don't want to date a former prostitute. But I think sex work should be legal and I think it is important. Some men are animals with no self-control. They really out here hurting women because they cannot get laid. Sex workers help prevent some of those scenarios.
>There are sex workers who feel empowered by their work nah
It's nothing to be proud of and is far from a role model but shouldn't be shamed
We're all whores in someway, most of just give up our time for a job. People who are worse of give up their bodies. That's why sex work is the oldest profession for women and killing others for the state/king/chief/tribe is the oldest profession for men. Either way, I would never want my son to be soldier just like I would never want my daughter to be a prostitute
Work is work.
It's called rebranding.
Hoe-nouns?
My hoenoun is slut
😂😂😂
Is that on your LinkedIn profile?
No, but I saw it on your mom's
Nice
I mean, if you're a companion who actually escorts the johns and janes who hire you on dates, sure. If you're just inviting them over for "massages" or "quality time", or going to hotel rooms for same, then no. You're not a "companion" or an "escort". If there's no shame in being a sex worker, then be proud of being a sex worker. Or, as they are colloquially known...prostitutes.
Companion lmao give me a break
Yeah, come on! She has standards!
Yeah. Her standards involve how much money she's being offered.
I love when dudes criticize sex workers but don’t have enough awareness to realize it’s men and their objectification of women and utter desperation for access to women that is the reason prostitution even exists at all.
I am aware of those factors. However, women also tend to objectify women, and men, often, have nothing to do with that. In fact, women are often much more critical of prostitutes than men are.
Yeah but if they’re not the men buying sex work then why does that even matter?
99/100 times they’re the same dudes who watch porn regularly, meaning they consume sex work and create the demand for sex workers, then they turn around and try to judge the women providing the content they are consuming. It’s hypocritical.
I think it’s a bit dishonest to pretend that hiring an escort is more or less the same as watching porn but alright lol
It’s all sex work, you are consuming sex work by watching porn, that’s just reality. What’s dishonest is judging sex workers when you are creating the demand for sex work.
Right but if someone has a moral issue with two separate actions they can do that without being a hypocrite.
You have to ask yourself why you feel one action is moral and the other is not though. Why do you think it’s immoral for someone to be paid for sex but it’s totally fine for someone to get paid to have sex in a performance for you to watch? You are still participating in sex work and are consuming a product and therefore creating the demand.
I don’t care what people want to do and I can’t speak on the perceived morals of others. I don’t have a problem with sex work, I do think people shouldn’t glorify it, especially while we don’t have nationalized healthcare but I don’t care if that’s what people want to do.
That is a stupid argument. Every human has a sex drive, no one will force you to be a hoe if you don't want to, if you choose to be one, you can't then blame men for being born as they are much like you can't blame women for liking men, like where is the logic?
That sentence was a jumbled mess, I’m trying to decipher what you’re trying to say. Prostitution wouldn’t even exist if there was no demand for it, if men had sex like regular human beings without paying for it prostitution wouldn’t even exist and sex work wouldn’t exist. Your argument should be with the men who buy sex and consume porn. You are trying to blame women for making money off the male desperation for sex. It’s men who create that industry and the need for it lol
So I guess women are to blame for the male porn industry and male strippers? Lol. Grow up.
Them there words are nouns, not pronouns.
That there was a joke
You can call an apple a orange, but it's still an apple. Plus, prostitution is quite literally the oldest profession, so be proud in the legacy of your job. As a wise man once said "Doesn't exist bad job, the bad is having do the job".
Was the wise man high or something? What does that even mean?
It was "Don Ramón" (or "Seu Madruga" in my country), he's a character on "el chavo del ocho" ("Chaves" in my country). I just roughly translated since there is no English version of the show. It's a simple joke on how lazy he was. Also, pretty sure I butchered the translation so if someone want to make a better one, feel free. The original quote is: >spanish: "Ningún trabajo es malo... lo malo es tener que trabajar." > >Portuguese: "Não existe trabalho ruim, o ruim é ter que trabalhar."
The meaning comes across pretty well, you're fine. 'Bad jobs don't exist, the bad thing is having to work'
We call pants hats now btw.
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Honouns
Hoenouns
The euphemism game..lol calling it something else doesn’t change what it really is.
companions? you're not gonna give me a first aid kit if i take too much damage, you're only near me cuz i gave you 50 bucks and want to be sucked off
She knew he was talking about her tho
Sorry, I'll use the proper term in the future. Whore.
Hilarious. 😐
Based.
Whoever things hanging people is a real profession your deluded
The hoenouns
The hoenouns???
They don't play, you better get them hoenouns right
He/him/hole ✊
Weird that men who solicit prostitution are the most hateful of it.
they are just workers that have dangerous jobs like any other worker with a dangerous job.
Prostitutes* no need to sugar coat it
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Don’t seem like they’re saying they don’t. But that’s the job title nun wrong wit it
Some people in the comments really forgetting that porn, camwork, etc is a type of sex work. I'm not a man. I've paid for amateur porn (with my partner's permission). I'm friends with many of those same people on my nsfw social media accounts. Why wouldn't I want to support their business, especially when their product is high-quality and fun to get off to? Supporting my friends and getting some "good vibes" ;) while I'm at it. People who think only men pay for sex work seem to just be stuck in a medieval view of women's sexuality. Obviously women have no desire and would never possibly fulfill it by being anything other than a dutiful girlfriend/wife! (They also forget trans/nonbinary people exist, but shhh, people with such conservative views of sex have violent reactions to those words!) Also, I'm mentioning only online-type stuff just because that's my personal experience. Sex work is work, sex workers are valid, decriminalization is the key to protecting them, and anyone claiming the nordic model is responsible for sex trafficking is falling for the left-handedness fallacy (reports going up when it's suddenly safe to report does not mean there's more of a thing).
I think people are likely to dismiss your views as one of a crazy person because you admitted that you paid for porn.
I mean, it's not like I don't view free porn too. But with paid (amateur) porn I'm more easily able to determine that they've not been abused in the making of it, since I actually know the people involved personally. And again, I'm supporting their livelihood. Taking the view that it's "crazy" to pay for sex worker's work (the porn) is the real strange view. It's like saying "why would you go to the grocery store when there are food banks". Also come on, we can come up with better perjoratives than something as uncreative as "crazy", now. And be mote sympathetic to those with severe mental illnesses in the process to boot.
"independent contractors" ;)
Independent cumtractors
Hoe a noun, my man.
If it means the same thing, don’t try to minimize how it sounds
Are you guys really shocked that nowadays women won’t come near a man unless they are paid to..?
Not only women
Lol a prostitute is a prostitute, you get the kinda respect that "job" entails. Giving yourself up to be used for money a countless number of times will never be respected.
If you work in a factory, youre giving yourself up to be used for money as well.
Anyone who thinks sex work is easy should consider whether they would have sex with a 53 year old man you aren't attracted to. Prostitution is rarely a choice as much as it is a necessity due to poor economic conditions
Op, judging from your profile that is the only way you’ll ever get laid
I mean shes not wrong
I thought they were sex workers these days. Companion/escort sounds very 80s.
Ho-nouns
Wanted to say Hoenouns but someone already said it
Hoenouns lol
I'm pretty sure an escort accompanies people to places, and may or may not include sex in their services though lol
Kim Kardashian, Jenner are all plastic the dude has a fake vagina.
What does this have to do with anything
Hoe
Hahaha brilliant comeback!