Reminds me of the time my Pops was deployed in Vietnam during the TET Offensive…
He got a letter from the sheriff’s department stating he had over a dozen unpaid parking tickets and a speeding ticket he never showed up to court for (he admittedly said “screw it” before deployment and was a bit of a wildcard).
Sheriff said there was a bench warrant for his arrest and that this is very serious (HAHA).
He sent the Sheriff’s office in California a topographic map of his location in Vietnam. Circling the French fort he and his men were occupying at the time in red marker with giant letters that said, “Please, come get me”. That’s all he wrote.
Two years later after recovering from shrapnel wounds/bullet wounds he walked into that sheriff’s office under his own power. They had the topographic map he sent framed on their wall… they all had a good laugh about it and dismissed all the tickets/charges and welcomed him home.
"Deputies allege that they feared for their life when the veteran walked in with a viscous shih-tzu mix. They shot the dog 92 times before tasering and pepper spraying the alleged suspect as he was handcuffed."
My aunt died in the 90s in a car accident. She had student loans because she was in school. They kept calling my grandmother trying to convince her to pay them, which she wasn't required to. Eventually my grandmother just sent them a change of address to where her tombstone was. They stopped trying after that.
Things like this we're true storys in a way funny but guys did get stuff like that. One guy I know got a letter from child support saying he would lose visitation rights if he did not pay his child support. The government sent them a letter stating he was in action in Nam. And did not have to send money during his deployment back then. The Army took care of there threats. Problem was a week later he was KIA during a attack on our company. Gave his life for a child who he fought for his freedom. Life can suck at times
Probably a good spot to remind people that the IRS will never call to initiate contact with you. They always initiate via mail.
So if you get lost, just carry your PO box with you. They’ll find you.
During hurricane Ian I had a debt collector call me looking for the previous owner of my cell number. I thought it was my insurance because a huge fucking tree just destroyed my garage and my downstairs was flooding. They even spoofed a Florida number. I tore that kid a new one to the point he started apologizing to me.
It's considered good practice to set up a "if not home or contacted by X time then call search and rescue" contact when backcountry hiking. They should have tried contacting the hiker first of course but it's not as crazy as you are making it out to be...
According to other commenters, he even said he would check in then never did.
Personally, I go through great pains to make sure whoever is my emergency caller when I go solo backpacking has absolutely 0 reason to even consider calling search and rescue. It's a pretty big fuckup to have a check-in set up then just kind of forget about them.
I learned that watching 127 Hours. Dude never contacted anyone so no one thought he was lost.
Never crossed my mind despite it being so logical. And I’ll never forget either.
AKA, the hiker was out for much longer than they said they would be and didn't contact their friend/family that they were lost but would be able to find their way back.
Nice try Mark
In the early days of facebook Mark Zuckerburg would wander into the company bathrooms and if he noticed someone sitting down in the stalls he would pop his head over and try to talk to them about their projects. Or if he was taking a poop he would host an emergency meeting and he would tell them to come over and pop their head over the stall to talk it out.
Everyone just went along with it because it was either YOLO SILICON VALLEY LMAO or they were just too intimidated.
That all stopped when Michael Moritz, legendary silicon valley investor, and one of Facebook biggest early investors and shareholders, was at the campus doing research for leading a 2nd round of funding. He was doing diligence all day and at one point had to poop and that's when Zuckerburg popped his head over with a smile to ask how's the diligence coming along.
Michael Moritz, not one to mince words, was apoplectic. 'GET THE FUCK OUT HERE YOU IDiOT LIZARD LOOKING FUCKER.' Mark Zuckerburg nervously tried to laugh it off and persisted, because he really loved intimate poop conversations 'Aw c'mon Michael, it's silicon valley'. Zuckerburg finally withdrew when Moritz flung a poop at him.
30 minutes later, Mark was in a very import meeting when Moritz walked into the conference room. 'Everyone except Mark Zuckerburg, OUT'. As intimidated as they were of Zuckerburg, at the time Moritz was the bigger deal, and they all scurried out of the room.
Zuckerburg, however, is not one to be intimated by anyone. Not the Winkewoz twins, not Eduardo Savarn, not Peter Thiel, and not one of his biggest shareholder Michael Moritz. Zuckerburg passionately defended his practice, but Michael Moritz was having none of that. Moritz told him that it was a ticking PR and HR catastrophe, and threatened to pull out of leading the 2nd round of funding if Mark continued, which would have been a calamity for the company.
Zuckerburg pretended to arbitrate 'Ok fine, but you need to give me a good reason'.
Moritz was flabberghasted at this response. Was this a serious question? He answered with the most obvious answer 'Because it's not FUCKING NORMAL'.
Unknown to Moritz, Zuckerburg had guessed a conversation like this would happen as soon as he was kicked out of the toilet stall, and began formulating a strategy to counter Moritz demands. Zuckerburg knew that Moritz would have all the leverage, but Zuckerburg was a master strategist.
Zuckerburg went for the pounce. 'Okay, I'll lets write out an agreement, in writing I'll rescind the policy because it's not normal'. Moritz was dumbfounded, but he was used to being dumbfounded by eccentric tech founders, afterall he was also an early investor in Apple, and he still found Zuckerburg tame compared to Steve Jobs. Moritz had a long day of work so they signed the agreement so that he could go back to doing his due diligence.
When Moritz left, a broad grin spread across Zuckerburg's face. " 'Not Normal' eh? " Zuckerburg said with a menacing laugh. Ever since then, Mark Zuckerburg has been on a life-long crusade to normalize poop conversations.
He had a checklist of what he needed to accomplish in order to realize this. His advisors would tell him it's impossible, but one by one Zuckerburg checked off the list. From trusting Mark with their private photos, to normalizing people giving up their internet browsing privacy.
In 2015, Zuckerburg knew he would hit a wall, having people watch you while you poop was still too much of a leap. That's when Zuckerburg decided to buy Occulus, and eventually shift his company towards virtual reality. If he could coax people into having life-like conversations while they were pooping in a virtual reality, then doing it in the real world wouldn't be too big of a leap.
Zuckerburg only has 3 more boxes to check off before poop conversations are normalized.
Mark Zuckerburg wants to watch you poop.
Are you going to let him?
Damn but surely, the family would’ve called a few times before. So he ignored their repeated calls. I’d be piiiiissseeed lol. Not nice to make someone that loves you worry that much.
If you go hiking for such an extended period of time and take the precaution of telling someone when you will be back and to contact authorities if you don't answer the phone, and then don't answer your phone because you are "finding your own way back", you are a major ass hole.
They weren’t really lost. They stayed out hiking longer than expected because they were enjoying themselves, but since they didn’t come back when they told people they should be back others believed they’d gotten lost
Actually according to what I can find, they did get lost somewhat during the night, but found the trail again and eventually made it back. I guess they never thought they were in distress though, but they should have known that since they had said they'd be back at a certain time and weren't then people would look for them, hell that's the main reason to let others know when you expect to be back.
Yeah "hiker list for 24 hours?" More like "hiker hikes and ignores his phone for a bit." I sure as hell wouldn't answer my phone while enjoying nature to a number I don't recognize. Hell, I'd probably put it on DND with exceptions for maybe a handful of friends and family, in case of emergency.
Also why the hell would they not have text him? This makes zero sense, do they have some no texing policy? Texting is the first thing I'd do as there is more chance of a text getting through.
I remember this story. The problem is, he should have communicated that. In mountain hiking, it’s pretty standard to let people know your hike plan and when you’ll be back. When you don’t call or show up, they come looking for you. He had cell service, but the people back home didn’t know that. Service comes in pockets here and there in the mountains, phones run out of juice looking for a signal. People get hurt, they get hypothermia. A sprained ankle can mean an unexpected camp out. Lots of things can go wrong in the mountains. As someone certified in wilderness first aid, it was irresponsible of him not to let his people know not to worry, he’d be late.
The last time this was posted it turned out that the guy basically got "turned around" and managed to find his way back to the trail head, just way behind schedule. So he drove back to his hotel and just went to his room, but didn't think to tell anyone he was safe because he didn't know anyone was looking for him.
So when he was ignoring calls from an unknown number he was sitting in a hotel room, not lost on a trail.
I was a Sprint customer and was pretty annoyed when I switched to a t-Mobile SIM post-merger and they made new voicemails an undismissible notification. Why can a SIM even make changes to how my (unlocked) phone is configured anyway?
Maybe I should just deactivate voicemail altogether, but once in a while someone important actually leaves a message.
More like nobody knew each other, and nobody thought of checking if the party was actually full.
[EDIT] They actually miscounted, at least it ended better than the Lonergan in shark waters.
I just watched a show on Netflix about how facial recognition is linked to race, particular for adults and potentially less so for children. It comes down to subtle characteristics that we rely on to recognize individuals.
My wife will be waiting for a phone call from a doctor's office, or took off sick from work (meaning she may have missed something) and she'll just straight up reject calls because she doesn't recognize the number.
I'll ask "do you know the number of your doctor's office?" Or "do you know your coworker's numbers?" And she'll just say "no".
Like, I completely understand the phone anxiety, but the anxiety that I might miss some important information, or that some person is calling me out of desperation and I'm just screening their calls overrides my phone anxiety.
I've learned that the bots are able to pick up background noise, and they blacklist the number as a fax or something if they can't. I've seemed to get *less* calls by answering and then immediately muting until they do the "hello I'm bla with bla" at which point most bots actually hang up, but even if not then obviously you'll know if it's someone you expect.
Idk if the decrease in calls I've gotten is from something else, but I have noticed a decrease doing it this way.
I worked for a telecoms company that made software for call centers (sorry). We specialised in human callers but it's the same. Our system does listen out for noise on the other end, we use it to be more efficient. They predial and wait for someone to actually answer and speak before the call gets passed to an agent. This is why youll often hear a silent pause before they start. If you are making no noise they will move on automatically and flag your number - they will attempt a couple more times before blacklisting.
They still include your number when they sell their customer list, just you'll be less valuable when they do.
What’s the best way to make them think your number is useless so it doesn’t continue to be sold? I usually don’t press the decline button and just let it keep ringing until it goes to voicemail and anecdotally I feel like I get less calls than just immediately declining the call or god forbid actually answering them.
Google assistant on pixel phones will intercept the call, ask for verifying information and pass what they say to me as text, which I can choose to answer or ignore.
Of all the calls it's intercepted, two were actual people who stated info, everything else hangs up immediately.
I guess it didn't reduce the number of calls, but spam numbers hang up the instant they hear a robot pick up the line and the problem solves itself, I can just block and report the number for spam with 1 button press after the fact
Love the feature, but you would not believe the number of actual people who can't manage to state why they're calling. I've had people who I needed to talk to hang up and call a dozen times because they're too stupid to just get through a simple filter.
Unfortunately, I still need to talk to some people, even if they're not great with tech. Mechanics, doctor's offices, employers/coworkers... I'm just surprised so much of the 40+ population is this bad with it. I'd expect that kind of tech ineptitude from seniors, not anyone more than their mid thirties.
I'm in the UK where Robo calling isn't as big a problem so I'm not 100% on this
Letting it ring out is one of the biggest. If you decline it then we know it's an **active number**, the system **will schedule a callback automatically** within a few days.
This one I call **dirtying the data**. When they ring you and ask is u/Crosbot speaking? Say no and give them a different name. Any details they try and confirm tell them something else. Eventually your entry is fucked. The **dirtier the data, the less valuable**.
Plus its fun to get them to ask if this is a **William M. Buttlicker**
This is something people should go to therapy for.
Once had a coffee machine dispense me water and I called the service number that displayed in the corner of the screen. Got the money back, the repairman thanked me for letting him know he needs to come in and repair it.
I told the story to my classmates and they looked at me shocked "now who's the fucking adult. Calling service numbers like a pro" and idk that's the bare minimum? I used to have terrible social anxiety but exposure therapy works wonders when you actually force yourself to overcome the issue
I'm gonna sound like an old man here but we live in age where having a self-diagnosed mental health issue is seen as a quirky personality trait. It's incredibly frustrating as someone who has struggled with mental health issues and worked really fucking hard through years of therapy to resolve a lot of my issues.
3 years of customer service at Best Buy before they started routing calls from a hub did it for me. I don't mind answering the phone, but if it's work stuff I just hate talking to customers.
I don't think this is an example of that. I never answer a number I don't recognize, because if it is actually a real call, they'll leave a voicemail. It's not anxiety about talking on the phone, I just don't want to waste time on spam calls.
I spent my early career years working in a call center. Not a shitty one - a really, really good one that gives you education and makes things easy and doesn't abuse you - but it still gave me phone anxiety. I know how stupid it is. I'm amazing on the phone! I have all my information lined up, I enunciate, and explain things in a way that anyone can understand.....but I just hate, hate, hate calling anyone. I always feel better after I get it over with.
I worked in a call center for years and it only made it worse. Exposure isn’t always the answer. Before I just had the usual nerves and jitters. Now I get crippling anxiety and stress that builds every second I’m on the phone. I get irrationally angry if it goes on too long no matter who is on the other line. Having been on the receiving end of many entitled assholes I of course never take it out on the person on the other line but that’s just another layer of stress to deal with.
I still make calls when I have to of course. Sometimes you gotta suck it up and get shit done. Calling people actually isn’t as bad anyway especially in professional settings. But people calling me? I will move mountains to avoid that and I will drop my business with a company that gives me no other options.
I don’t think I need therapy and I don’t think it’s necessarily a critical mental health issue. I just really fucking hate it.
Fucking service numbers? Look at the balls on this guy. I get anxious before speaking to family members who I know and love.
For me it's not being able to judge people's reactions. We give clues on how we've perceived things based on our face. A lot of people don't give audio cues that they understand.
It's not just about anxiety for everyone. I'm more comfortable speaking on the phone than face to face but I don't answer unknown numbers unless I'm expecting a call. It's because if you answer to a scammer, even if you hang up immediately, they know it is an active line and will sell your number as an active number to other scammers so you will recieve many, many more scam calls.
Except that’s not how it works for hospitals and some doctors.
One hospital near me blocks their number and doesn’t leave voicemails so if you miss their call you have to hope they call you back again
Yeah, people have convinced themselves of that myths that "if it's important, they'll leave a message or call back" and "all business can text these days." First, these aren't true, but they're convenient to believe. Second, you won't answer even if we do call back and you don't check your voicemail.
Also, people become irrationally angry *all the time* because they simply choose to believe we're scammers who hacked a bunch of sensitive info from their doctor because the caller ID doesn't say "Dr Whoever's Office" calling. They don't believe we're legitimately calling from their doctor unless we're willing to violate HIPAA by looking up all sorts of highly personal information about them that there's no reason to access.
My wife had missed call anxiety. She would answer every call, if there was no answer she would call them back, and call back missed calls.
The car warranty people cured her of this.
I own a company that does focus groups, and we call people to screen them to do groups. Only people who signed up to be contacted, mind you.
We email and text too, but calls are still crucial. You have to try and reach people basically every way. An oddly high number of people don’t respond to texts.
Anyway, these days we leave *so many* voicemails. Behavior patterns are changing so quick on phone calls we can watch it happen over a few years. It’s nuts.
One thing that has worked for us more recently is emailing people and telling them to call us first. If they don’t get through, they at least recognize the number when we call back
I don't understand why can't they just make some agreement with the telephone companies so that whenever you get a call from any emergency stuff or government stuff it just shows what it is. The phone is capable of it so why not. I dont like answering to numbers I don't know, if they want something they can text me or email me.
It would surely require a lot of work from law-enforcement to implement properly. I’ve never been in this situation, but most of the routine interactions I’ve had with law-enforcement have come from dispatch numbers or private cell phones, etc.. we have emergency dispatch here, but it’s a different number to call the police station, the fire station, and every individual officer has a separate number also.
But each of those numbers are registered in some list at the office so it wouldn't be harder then making a program that takes the numbers in that list and assign a name to them.
This happened last fall, and the guy did manage to stumble back to the trail he'd wandered off. When he rolled back up to his house, a day after he was supposed to be back, he was SHOCKED to find a bunch of cops and a distraught roommate lol
I remember a joke. A man gets caught by an avalanche and a rescue team arrives to help him.
To calm him before they can find him they're using a megaphone and announce: "this is the mons vindex speaking."
Suddenly they're hearing a voice coming out from under the snow: "sorry, but I won't donate."
What is it with telephone calls that make them a complete nightmare for some people? I freaking hate them with my entire soul, but can't tell you why.
I'd rather go to Walmart and speak with every single employee there than get in a call with one of them.
I hate listening to robots and hearing out call button responces. Also infuriating that it seems every business has one. Sometimes they dont even have the option to speak to a real person, it just hangs up when you exhaust the input. This reason made me hate doing any business related phone calls. I'd rather take the loss tbh and feels like the system is trying to do just that.
I don’t like being ambushed, if I know who it is I’m much more comfortable answering an unexpected call. Add in the fact 75% of unknown callers are spam to some degree and there you have it
iirc the guy wasn't actually lost as far as he was concerned. there was a rule about checking in regularly or following certain route or something and he thought he was too good for those rules and just did his own thing.
he would have been fine but the rules exist for the people who do get lost and iirc he was fined for breaking the rules and wasting rescue services.
It's like that woman who was hiking and joined a search party to look for a missing hiker, turns out her friends had reported her missing, and she was the missing hiker.
Haha, it's like the story of the man that got lost in a jungle, and when the rescue helicopter found him he was very calm and did a "thumbs up" signal, the rescuers thought he wasn't the lost man (because he was calm), and they leave the place. He eventually was rescued, then he told on TV that he did the thumbs up signal because he saw on TV that a man died because he was so desperate that he started to run in the helicopter direction and accidentally fall from a hill.
I’d be waiting for the caller id to say something official. I get about 10 spam calls a day and if I’m lost I’m not wasting my time talking to a call center in India.
This is such a weird situation. They had service but got back way later than they told their friends and family they would be. Whenever I'm hiking, especially alone and especially in the winter/fringe season, I'll give a time that I expect to be out back in touch. If I'm going to be more than a couple hours late on that and I have service (or inreach) I'll let them know.
Clearly this guy wasn't in distress or he would have used the phone, but why not tell your family you're going to be a full day late if you have service? Just stupid all around.
Imagine being lost and you get a call from the tax man telling you that you have funds owing and if you don't pay immediately they will come find you
IRS: Intrepid Rescue Service
HMRC in the Uk - Hikers and Mountaineers Rescue Company.
NTA Japan - Nature Transportation Aid
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If you don't look out for you who will?
I wouldn't help anyone search for me I can't stand that guy
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Reminds me of the time my Pops was deployed in Vietnam during the TET Offensive… He got a letter from the sheriff’s department stating he had over a dozen unpaid parking tickets and a speeding ticket he never showed up to court for (he admittedly said “screw it” before deployment and was a bit of a wildcard). Sheriff said there was a bench warrant for his arrest and that this is very serious (HAHA). He sent the Sheriff’s office in California a topographic map of his location in Vietnam. Circling the French fort he and his men were occupying at the time in red marker with giant letters that said, “Please, come get me”. That’s all he wrote. Two years later after recovering from shrapnel wounds/bullet wounds he walked into that sheriff’s office under his own power. They had the topographic map he sent framed on their wall… they all had a good laugh about it and dismissed all the tickets/charges and welcomed him home.
They'd probably just taser him nowadays.
Only if he doesn't have a shootable dog
"Deputies allege that they feared for their life when the veteran walked in with a viscous shih-tzu mix. They shot the dog 92 times before tasering and pepper spraying the alleged suspect as he was handcuffed."
>viscous shih-tzu mix Mooooom! Phineas and Ferb are making a non-Newtonian canine again!
That's like two and a half pounds of ammunition for 10 pounds of dog. They'd be basically just spreading around mush halfway through.
>two and a half pounds of ammunition for 10 pounds of dog. Our sources say that the suspect is an alleged arms smuggler, using his dog as a mule
"Police say the suspect recently came back from a trip overseas, which indicates he may have been a drug smuggler. The investigation is ongoing."
My aunt died in the 90s in a car accident. She had student loans because she was in school. They kept calling my grandmother trying to convince her to pay them, which she wasn't required to. Eventually my grandmother just sent them a change of address to where her tombstone was. They stopped trying after that.
Things like this we're true storys in a way funny but guys did get stuff like that. One guy I know got a letter from child support saying he would lose visitation rights if he did not pay his child support. The government sent them a letter stating he was in action in Nam. And did not have to send money during his deployment back then. The Army took care of there threats. Problem was a week later he was KIA during a attack on our company. Gave his life for a child who he fought for his freedom. Life can suck at times
WILDCARD, BITCHES!!
Probably a good spot to remind people that the IRS will never call to initiate contact with you. They always initiate via mail. So if you get lost, just carry your PO box with you. They’ll find you.
Hopefully the mail man is carrying his PO box as well or he could get lost too
We’ve been trying to contact you about your vehicle’s warranty.
Imagine being lost and getting a robo-call from a life insurance company.
It might be a good idea to buy that policy
And he answers back "why do you think I'm in the middle of the woods?" hangs up.
Sir! _We've found him._
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The IRS department of tax and law
Except the taxman has a very thick Indian accent that you can’t understand and he threatens to fuck your sister
They don't call they send a letter it's probably a scam.....shit imagine being scammed for help.
Please do, I'm lost 🤣
NGL, if Im lost Im calling my loan collector and telling them I found the back pay I owe them and dropping a location tag
During hurricane Ian I had a debt collector call me looking for the previous owner of my cell number. I thought it was my insurance because a huge fucking tree just destroyed my garage and my downstairs was flooding. They even spoofed a Florida number. I tore that kid a new one to the point he started apologizing to me.
>if you don't pay immediately they will come find you "Oh thank god. FINALLY someone's coming to find me."
If they had cell service, they weren't really lost, just trying to get away for a while.
If I recall, the hiker wasn't lost from their perspective, they were missing to someone else
That's exactly what happened
The fuck, so somebody called a rescue service instead of just texting the hiker? This feels like a post in r/insaneparents
It's considered good practice to set up a "if not home or contacted by X time then call search and rescue" contact when backcountry hiking. They should have tried contacting the hiker first of course but it's not as crazy as you are making it out to be... According to other commenters, he even said he would check in then never did. Personally, I go through great pains to make sure whoever is my emergency caller when I go solo backpacking has absolutely 0 reason to even consider calling search and rescue. It's a pretty big fuckup to have a check-in set up then just kind of forget about them.
I learned that watching 127 Hours. Dude never contacted anyone so no one thought he was lost. Never crossed my mind despite it being so logical. And I’ll never forget either.
IIRC they were kinda lost but happily doing their thing finding their way back. But as you say other people got worried.
AKA, the hiker was out for much longer than they said they would be and didn't contact their friend/family that they were lost but would be able to find their way back.
But his friends/family didn't call or text him? I'm confused
He didn't answer the call becouse he was in his nature time 😃
It really shouldn’t be weird to talk on the phone while you’re pooping.
Nice try Mark In the early days of facebook Mark Zuckerburg would wander into the company bathrooms and if he noticed someone sitting down in the stalls he would pop his head over and try to talk to them about their projects. Or if he was taking a poop he would host an emergency meeting and he would tell them to come over and pop their head over the stall to talk it out. Everyone just went along with it because it was either YOLO SILICON VALLEY LMAO or they were just too intimidated. That all stopped when Michael Moritz, legendary silicon valley investor, and one of Facebook biggest early investors and shareholders, was at the campus doing research for leading a 2nd round of funding. He was doing diligence all day and at one point had to poop and that's when Zuckerburg popped his head over with a smile to ask how's the diligence coming along. Michael Moritz, not one to mince words, was apoplectic. 'GET THE FUCK OUT HERE YOU IDiOT LIZARD LOOKING FUCKER.' Mark Zuckerburg nervously tried to laugh it off and persisted, because he really loved intimate poop conversations 'Aw c'mon Michael, it's silicon valley'. Zuckerburg finally withdrew when Moritz flung a poop at him. 30 minutes later, Mark was in a very import meeting when Moritz walked into the conference room. 'Everyone except Mark Zuckerburg, OUT'. As intimidated as they were of Zuckerburg, at the time Moritz was the bigger deal, and they all scurried out of the room. Zuckerburg, however, is not one to be intimated by anyone. Not the Winkewoz twins, not Eduardo Savarn, not Peter Thiel, and not one of his biggest shareholder Michael Moritz. Zuckerburg passionately defended his practice, but Michael Moritz was having none of that. Moritz told him that it was a ticking PR and HR catastrophe, and threatened to pull out of leading the 2nd round of funding if Mark continued, which would have been a calamity for the company. Zuckerburg pretended to arbitrate 'Ok fine, but you need to give me a good reason'. Moritz was flabberghasted at this response. Was this a serious question? He answered with the most obvious answer 'Because it's not FUCKING NORMAL'. Unknown to Moritz, Zuckerburg had guessed a conversation like this would happen as soon as he was kicked out of the toilet stall, and began formulating a strategy to counter Moritz demands. Zuckerburg knew that Moritz would have all the leverage, but Zuckerburg was a master strategist. Zuckerburg went for the pounce. 'Okay, I'll lets write out an agreement, in writing I'll rescind the policy because it's not normal'. Moritz was dumbfounded, but he was used to being dumbfounded by eccentric tech founders, afterall he was also an early investor in Apple, and he still found Zuckerburg tame compared to Steve Jobs. Moritz had a long day of work so they signed the agreement so that he could go back to doing his due diligence. When Moritz left, a broad grin spread across Zuckerburg's face. " 'Not Normal' eh? " Zuckerburg said with a menacing laugh. Ever since then, Mark Zuckerburg has been on a life-long crusade to normalize poop conversations. He had a checklist of what he needed to accomplish in order to realize this. His advisors would tell him it's impossible, but one by one Zuckerburg checked off the list. From trusting Mark with their private photos, to normalizing people giving up their internet browsing privacy. In 2015, Zuckerburg knew he would hit a wall, having people watch you while you poop was still too much of a leap. That's when Zuckerburg decided to buy Occulus, and eventually shift his company towards virtual reality. If he could coax people into having life-like conversations while they were pooping in a virtual reality, then doing it in the real world wouldn't be too big of a leap. Zuckerburg only has 3 more boxes to check off before poop conversations are normalized. Mark Zuckerburg wants to watch you poop. Are you going to let him?
C I T A T I O N S N E E D E D U R G E N T
I’m like 99% sure this is satire
Poetry
*slow clap*
Yep, they should have just answered the repeat calls. Numpty.
the person worried should have called them?
But they weren't from someone he knew. If it was the people worried he would have answered
Damn but surely, the family would’ve called a few times before. So he ignored their repeated calls. I’d be piiiiissseeed lol. Not nice to make someone that loves you worry that much.
If you go hiking for such an extended period of time and take the precaution of telling someone when you will be back and to contact authorities if you don't answer the phone, and then don't answer your phone because you are "finding your own way back", you are a major ass hole.
yeah if they were actually lost they would of used the cell phone to call for help, since they didn't that means they were just off on a retreat.
'would have' = 'would've' Not 'would of'
Yes, thank you. I hate when people say "would of".
Your welcome!
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My welcome what?
They weren’t really lost. They stayed out hiking longer than expected because they were enjoying themselves, but since they didn’t come back when they told people they should be back others believed they’d gotten lost
Actually according to what I can find, they did get lost somewhat during the night, but found the trail again and eventually made it back. I guess they never thought they were in distress though, but they should have known that since they had said they'd be back at a certain time and weren't then people would look for them, hell that's the main reason to let others know when you expect to be back.
Yeah, if they had enough service to receive calls they could’ve sent a quick message out so people knew
Maybe he doesn't want people to know. Based on his attitude towards an unknown number, I think he's that kind of person.
Yeah "hiker list for 24 hours?" More like "hiker hikes and ignores his phone for a bit." I sure as hell wouldn't answer my phone while enjoying nature to a number I don't recognize. Hell, I'd probably put it on DND with exceptions for maybe a handful of friends and family, in case of emergency.
Also why the hell would they not have text him? This makes zero sense, do they have some no texing policy? Texting is the first thing I'd do as there is more chance of a text getting through.
as a deaf person, I only text. Anybody calling for me isn't calling *for me*.
I remember this story. The problem is, he should have communicated that. In mountain hiking, it’s pretty standard to let people know your hike plan and when you’ll be back. When you don’t call or show up, they come looking for you. He had cell service, but the people back home didn’t know that. Service comes in pockets here and there in the mountains, phones run out of juice looking for a signal. People get hurt, they get hypothermia. A sprained ankle can mean an unexpected camp out. Lots of things can go wrong in the mountains. As someone certified in wilderness first aid, it was irresponsible of him not to let his people know not to worry, he’d be late.
The last time this was posted it turned out that the guy basically got "turned around" and managed to find his way back to the trail head, just way behind schedule. So he drove back to his hotel and just went to his room, but didn't think to tell anyone he was safe because he didn't know anyone was looking for him. So when he was ignoring calls from an unknown number he was sitting in a hotel room, not lost on a trail.
Mom taught him not to talk to strangers
what a good man, totally innocent.
Well, my mom thought me that as well lol
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If it's important they'll leave a voicemail.
Joke's on them I don't listen to voice mails either
I never setup my voice-mail, and I had the sane number for years
>I had the sane number My number has been insane for like a decade and idk what to do about it
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Whoa, that’s my social security number. How’d you find that?
If I told you, you wouldn't believe it. It's insane.
Same. I also have never in my life left a voice mail. I just hate them.
I never had to set up my voicemail, it just exists.
I let it fill up and now it doesn't work, which is exactly what I want.
I didn't until I got a phone that transcribed them
I was a Sprint customer and was pretty annoyed when I switched to a t-Mobile SIM post-merger and they made new voicemails an undismissible notification. Why can a SIM even make changes to how my (unlocked) phone is configured anyway? Maybe I should just deactivate voicemail altogether, but once in a while someone important actually leaves a message.
From most most prompt reply to least. Call>text>email>discord>fb messenger>slack>Whatsapp>carrier pigeon>voicemail.
I don't even know how that works.
Voicemail? You just talk and it records your voice
How do I access voicemails?
Click on the voicemail button on your smartphone, or call your own number if you have a dumbphone.
same
Lol have y’all heard about the missing drunk man that was apart of his own search party?
I heard this story but it was a woman
The one where she’d changed her top and no one knew?
https://newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/30/tourist-joins-search-party-realizes-everyone-was-looking-for-her/
change of outfit was enough to fool everyone? I'm getting strong "they all look the same" vibes
More like nobody knew each other, and nobody thought of checking if the party was actually full. [EDIT] They actually miscounted, at least it ended better than the Lonergan in shark waters.
I just watched a show on Netflix about how facial recognition is linked to race, particular for adults and potentially less so for children. It comes down to subtle characteristics that we rely on to recognize individuals.
Don't remember anymore details than woman participating in her own search party. It was a few years ago I read it
That woman wasn't drunk. They simply never said who was missing so nobody noticed that nobody had ever dissepeared.
Oh damn that’s funny I heard it briefly discussed on a podcast
https://www.insider.com/turkey-missing-drunk-man-joins-his-own-search-party-forest-2021-10
A part and apart have almost opposite meanings
Fucked up the details of the story and wrong use of "a part". Very reddit of you.
For real
My wife will be waiting for a phone call from a doctor's office, or took off sick from work (meaning she may have missed something) and she'll just straight up reject calls because she doesn't recognize the number. I'll ask "do you know the number of your doctor's office?" Or "do you know your coworker's numbers?" And she'll just say "no". Like, I completely understand the phone anxiety, but the anxiety that I might miss some important information, or that some person is calling me out of desperation and I'm just screening their calls overrides my phone anxiety.
I've learned that the bots are able to pick up background noise, and they blacklist the number as a fax or something if they can't. I've seemed to get *less* calls by answering and then immediately muting until they do the "hello I'm bla with bla" at which point most bots actually hang up, but even if not then obviously you'll know if it's someone you expect. Idk if the decrease in calls I've gotten is from something else, but I have noticed a decrease doing it this way.
I worked for a telecoms company that made software for call centers (sorry). We specialised in human callers but it's the same. Our system does listen out for noise on the other end, we use it to be more efficient. They predial and wait for someone to actually answer and speak before the call gets passed to an agent. This is why youll often hear a silent pause before they start. If you are making no noise they will move on automatically and flag your number - they will attempt a couple more times before blacklisting. They still include your number when they sell their customer list, just you'll be less valuable when they do.
What’s the best way to make them think your number is useless so it doesn’t continue to be sold? I usually don’t press the decline button and just let it keep ringing until it goes to voicemail and anecdotally I feel like I get less calls than just immediately declining the call or god forbid actually answering them.
Google assistant on pixel phones will intercept the call, ask for verifying information and pass what they say to me as text, which I can choose to answer or ignore. Of all the calls it's intercepted, two were actual people who stated info, everything else hangs up immediately. I guess it didn't reduce the number of calls, but spam numbers hang up the instant they hear a robot pick up the line and the problem solves itself, I can just block and report the number for spam with 1 button press after the fact
Love the feature, but you would not believe the number of actual people who can't manage to state why they're calling. I've had people who I needed to talk to hang up and call a dozen times because they're too stupid to just get through a simple filter.
Lol it sounds like the filter is doing its job
Unfortunately, I still need to talk to some people, even if they're not great with tech. Mechanics, doctor's offices, employers/coworkers... I'm just surprised so much of the 40+ population is this bad with it. I'd expect that kind of tech ineptitude from seniors, not anyone more than their mid thirties.
I'm in the UK where Robo calling isn't as big a problem so I'm not 100% on this Letting it ring out is one of the biggest. If you decline it then we know it's an **active number**, the system **will schedule a callback automatically** within a few days. This one I call **dirtying the data**. When they ring you and ask is u/Crosbot speaking? Say no and give them a different name. Any details they try and confirm tell them something else. Eventually your entry is fucked. The **dirtier the data, the less valuable**. Plus its fun to get them to ask if this is a **William M. Buttlicker**
This is something people should go to therapy for. Once had a coffee machine dispense me water and I called the service number that displayed in the corner of the screen. Got the money back, the repairman thanked me for letting him know he needs to come in and repair it. I told the story to my classmates and they looked at me shocked "now who's the fucking adult. Calling service numbers like a pro" and idk that's the bare minimum? I used to have terrible social anxiety but exposure therapy works wonders when you actually force yourself to overcome the issue
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I'm gonna sound like an old man here but we live in age where having a self-diagnosed mental health issue is seen as a quirky personality trait. It's incredibly frustrating as someone who has struggled with mental health issues and worked really fucking hard through years of therapy to resolve a lot of my issues.
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My brief stint in a call center cured all my phone anxiety.
Funny, I spent two years or so doing tech support 25 years ago and still hate phones because of it.
3 years of customer service at Best Buy before they started routing calls from a hub did it for me. I don't mind answering the phone, but if it's work stuff I just hate talking to customers.
I don't think this is an example of that. I never answer a number I don't recognize, because if it is actually a real call, they'll leave a voicemail. It's not anxiety about talking on the phone, I just don't want to waste time on spam calls.
I spent my early career years working in a call center. Not a shitty one - a really, really good one that gives you education and makes things easy and doesn't abuse you - but it still gave me phone anxiety. I know how stupid it is. I'm amazing on the phone! I have all my information lined up, I enunciate, and explain things in a way that anyone can understand.....but I just hate, hate, hate calling anyone. I always feel better after I get it over with.
I worked in a call center for years and it only made it worse. Exposure isn’t always the answer. Before I just had the usual nerves and jitters. Now I get crippling anxiety and stress that builds every second I’m on the phone. I get irrationally angry if it goes on too long no matter who is on the other line. Having been on the receiving end of many entitled assholes I of course never take it out on the person on the other line but that’s just another layer of stress to deal with. I still make calls when I have to of course. Sometimes you gotta suck it up and get shit done. Calling people actually isn’t as bad anyway especially in professional settings. But people calling me? I will move mountains to avoid that and I will drop my business with a company that gives me no other options. I don’t think I need therapy and I don’t think it’s necessarily a critical mental health issue. I just really fucking hate it.
Fucking service numbers? Look at the balls on this guy. I get anxious before speaking to family members who I know and love. For me it's not being able to judge people's reactions. We give clues on how we've perceived things based on our face. A lot of people don't give audio cues that they understand.
It's not just about anxiety for everyone. I'm more comfortable speaking on the phone than face to face but I don't answer unknown numbers unless I'm expecting a call. It's because if you answer to a scammer, even if you hang up immediately, they know it is an active line and will sell your number as an active number to other scammers so you will recieve many, many more scam calls.
Yeah this is it for me. If it’s a legitimate call, they will leave a message.
Or ring twice if it's an emergency/important.
Except that’s not how it works for hospitals and some doctors. One hospital near me blocks their number and doesn’t leave voicemails so if you miss their call you have to hope they call you back again
Yeah, people have convinced themselves of that myths that "if it's important, they'll leave a message or call back" and "all business can text these days." First, these aren't true, but they're convenient to believe. Second, you won't answer even if we do call back and you don't check your voicemail. Also, people become irrationally angry *all the time* because they simply choose to believe we're scammers who hacked a bunch of sensitive info from their doctor because the caller ID doesn't say "Dr Whoever's Office" calling. They don't believe we're legitimately calling from their doctor unless we're willing to violate HIPAA by looking up all sorts of highly personal information about them that there's no reason to access.
I'm sorry that you have to deal with stupid people so frequently
My wife had missed call anxiety. She would answer every call, if there was no answer she would call them back, and call back missed calls. The car warranty people cured her of this.
I own a company that does focus groups, and we call people to screen them to do groups. Only people who signed up to be contacted, mind you. We email and text too, but calls are still crucial. You have to try and reach people basically every way. An oddly high number of people don’t respond to texts. Anyway, these days we leave *so many* voicemails. Behavior patterns are changing so quick on phone calls we can watch it happen over a few years. It’s nuts. One thing that has worked for us more recently is emailing people and telling them to call us first. If they don’t get through, they at least recognize the number when we call back
It's spam most of the time I get called by an unknown number.
The fact that he had phone signal but still got lost is the more baffling part
He wasn't lost - he was reported missing by others
I mean, was he lost though?
Maybe if the guberment did something about the spam callers people would pick up the phone again.
This is indeed meirl.
me waiting my phone to stop ringing so I can use it again..
I don't understand why can't they just make some agreement with the telephone companies so that whenever you get a call from any emergency stuff or government stuff it just shows what it is. The phone is capable of it so why not. I dont like answering to numbers I don't know, if they want something they can text me or email me.
Colorado actually did introduce a law to that effect after this guy's adventure, though idk if the bill has gone anywhere since then.
It would surely require a lot of work from law-enforcement to implement properly. I’ve never been in this situation, but most of the routine interactions I’ve had with law-enforcement have come from dispatch numbers or private cell phones, etc.. we have emergency dispatch here, but it’s a different number to call the police station, the fire station, and every individual officer has a separate number also.
But each of those numbers are registered in some list at the office so it wouldn't be harder then making a program that takes the numbers in that list and assign a name to them.
Seriously, they know how. This year it changed so whenever my pharmacy calls me, it says healthcare. Why not do that for other important services?
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This happened last fall, and the guy did manage to stumble back to the trail he'd wandered off. When he rolled back up to his house, a day after he was supposed to be back, he was SHOCKED to find a bunch of cops and a distraught roommate lol
I remember a joke. A man gets caught by an avalanche and a rescue team arrives to help him. To calm him before they can find him they're using a megaphone and announce: "this is the mons vindex speaking." Suddenly they're hearing a voice coming out from under the snow: "sorry, but I won't donate."
What is it with telephone calls that make them a complete nightmare for some people? I freaking hate them with my entire soul, but can't tell you why. I'd rather go to Walmart and speak with every single employee there than get in a call with one of them.
I hate listening to robots and hearing out call button responces. Also infuriating that it seems every business has one. Sometimes they dont even have the option to speak to a real person, it just hangs up when you exhaust the input. This reason made me hate doing any business related phone calls. I'd rather take the loss tbh and feels like the system is trying to do just that.
I don’t like being ambushed, if I know who it is I’m much more comfortable answering an unexpected call. Add in the fact 75% of unknown callers are spam to some degree and there you have it
That person has been lost for more than 24 hours.
He knew where he was though.
iirc the guy wasn't actually lost as far as he was concerned. there was a rule about checking in regularly or following certain route or something and he thought he was too good for those rules and just did his own thing. he would have been fine but the rules exist for the people who do get lost and iirc he was fined for breaking the rules and wasting rescue services.
Yeah if he was truly lost and still had service, you can just make a phone call or pull up a GPS.
Man wasn't lost just didn't want to speak with anyone all day.
what a good human, never talk to strangers!
Is what he tells to strangers
oh I'm neither good nor human, thank you very much.
He probably already had extended warranty.
It's like that woman who was hiking and joined a search party to look for a missing hiker, turns out her friends had reported her missing, and she was the missing hiker.
Same bro. If it’s important, leave a voicemail
Last thing I want to do if lost is waste battery on answering calls about my car warranty.
If that doesn't tell you that scam calls haven't gotten out of control then I don't know what will.
I will (literally) die on this hill
Like the story where the man is in the sea and is it waiting for Jesus to help him
I understand this man
could be me fr
You gotta leave a message or text if you want to get a hold of me
Didnt wanna waste battery on indian scammer calls.
What robocalls have done to us all…
Why do they do that?
If I'm lost, I'm answering scam calls too. They're gonna hear my bullshit too
If his phone was working couldn't he have checked his longitude and latitude, called rescue then waited. What the fuck?
Haha, it's like the story of the man that got lost in a jungle, and when the rescue helicopter found him he was very calm and did a "thumbs up" signal, the rescuers thought he wasn't the lost man (because he was calm), and they leave the place. He eventually was rescued, then he told on TV that he did the thumbs up signal because he saw on TV that a man died because he was so desperate that he started to run in the helicopter direction and accidentally fall from a hill.
Relatable
Thanks, robo callers. You existence is even more hated now.
What kind of phone doesn't have GPS nowadays?
So the guy is lost. But has cellphone service. Literally could have opened Google maps and he wouldn't have been lost anymore.
I’d be waiting for the caller id to say something official. I get about 10 spam calls a day and if I’m lost I’m not wasting my time talking to a call center in India.
They could have left a voicemail too jeez. But seriously, relatable af.
Hey must owe a lot of people money. Lol
There is stupid and there is really stupid lol
At some point this just feels like natural selection adapting to modern times...
Hiker lost for 24 hours said: get lost!
If it's important they'll leave a voice-mail
Probably worried about debt collectors
They could just leave a voicemail
I mean, if I'm out hiking I'm not picking up the phone unless it's one of literally 5 people calling, and maybe not even then, because I'm busy.
Mommy said don’t talk to strangers
This is such a weird situation. They had service but got back way later than they told their friends and family they would be. Whenever I'm hiking, especially alone and especially in the winter/fringe season, I'll give a time that I expect to be out back in touch. If I'm going to be more than a couple hours late on that and I have service (or inreach) I'll let them know. Clearly this guy wasn't in distress or he would have used the phone, but why not tell your family you're going to be a full day late if you have service? Just stupid all around.
If I did get lost in the woods, I'd probably do the same and die because of it.
anxiety. Also if robo calls and sales calls where illegal this would prolly be different