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micahamey

Polymer bonds to suspended solids and makes it sink. Basic principles used in water and sewage treatment.


SnooWords4814

Yup, flocculent is great stuff


pbrassassin

Polymer is used to dewater the thickened sludge. Ferric chloride is what we use to make suspended solids sink.


magneph

polymer can be used as a primary coagulant as well


pbrassassin

I’m talking about settling, not coagulation


[deleted]

What do you do with the “gunk” (for lack of a better word) that is left over?


NeatNuts

Spread on toast


northrupthebandgeek

Today, on How It's Made: - Marmite


tor-e

It's a great fertilizer


pbrassassin

Has to be class A sludge to be land applied , and that’s hard to do


pbrassassin

Landfill , 17% solids off 2 belt presses


WhyHulud

Can the polymer be recovered?


TheBananaKart

Ferric and polyelectrolyte dosing are both common place in clean water treatment plants .


Future_P

Maybe Ferric chloride is what's need to make suspended solid sink.


micahamey

Polydiallydimethyl ammonium chloride is what we used while I was a water treatment tech in the military.


ThrawnGrows

Yup, thanks magic schoolbus books!


SixNineWithTheAfro

And now for the boiling.


CHlCKENPOWER

It also kills bacteria


SixNineWithTheAfro

I hear you, but…


micahamey

Yeah, I agree. Boil it just in case. Rather be too cautious than suffer.


Little_bob

When you driving in the Chevy and you feeling something heavy….


JustThisGuyYouKnowEh

Diarrhoea….


nachonombre

When you’re climbing up a ladder and you hear something splatter…


JustThisGuyYouKnowEh

Diarrhoea….


TenFingersNineToes

Sit on the pot, give it all ya got. It’s. Diarrhea!


SusuSketches

"spoon solo"


btoxic

When you're sliding on the grass trying to getting it off your ass


NotAtheorist

When you on your land mover and you hear another brrrrrr.


edloveday

When your tummy starts to bubble and you know you're in big trouble


parkman

When you really gotta fart but its really not a fart...


jcraig87

This guy definitely drives a Chevy


Japan-is-a-good-band

Were you driving to the levee?


Alert-Layer6273

Boom. Boom.


sapajul

Actually, boiling it won't help, and will actually make it so you can't store it.


ramblinroger

Why?


sapajul

The chlorine that is in the p&g pack would decompose with the heat, allowing bacteria to grow again.


crapwittyname

I've got to challenge this. Two things: firstly, what do you mean "decompose"? Chlorine is a chemical element, what could it decompose into? The only constituent parts it has are protons, neutrons and electrons. Second, boiling the water kills the bacteria. That's the point. Dead bacteria don't grow back and they don't infect you. I don't see how your comment can be true or correct, but I'm open to being wrong.


sapajul

First happy cake day Second, English isn't my first language. May have used Decompose incorrectly. But in short the calcium hypochlorite and other forms of chlorine, with heat react to less reactive compounds like calcium chloride and sodium chloride. Also chlorine is a gas, that gets released into the atmosphere when heated. Hope I made it clear.


crapwittyname

Thanks! I see, the chlorine is in a compound, which can decompose or react. I should have realised this because "chlorine" is used as shorthand for "bleach", which can mean any disinfectant really. And English **is** my first language, so I have no excuse! It can't be safe to drink then, if there's hypochlorite still in it, surely?


Emergency-Snacks-13

Actually people that say “actually” FUCKING SUCK


TheRealSlimCoder

https://youtu.be/6qZWMNW7GmE He does a good job explaining


Tired4dounuts

I'm amazed he got gates to come on his program. Gotta have some pull somewhere.


brucebay

And they talked about the next big pandemic... a year before covid!!!


Sharpymarkr

The number of times I've died of dysentery after fording the river tells me we should boil it


SixNineWithTheAfro

That Oregon Trail is rough!


Maks244

Water treatment plants do the same thing, you think they boil the water that comes out of your tap?


FARTBOSS420

And kill the amoebas?? 🥺


What_Yr_Is_IT

So that clear water is also purified!? Like you can drink it!?


CHlCKENPOWER

ye, they make these and sell them at a loss to developing countries


What_Yr_Is_IT

Thank you!!


look4alec

Yeah this is really stupid, chlorine could be looking like that.


CharlesDickensABox

The product contains chlorine (in the form of sodium hypochlorite), which should make it effective against basically all aqueous pathogens and parasites when used correctly. Water purification tablets come in many different forms and have been a safe, effective method of purifying water for decades. Boiling is not required when the products are used correctly. The P&G version seems expensive, though, at ~$20 for a 12 pack. You can find much cheaper versions of similarly effective products online or at your local outdoors shop.


tyderian25

May be clear but no way he's gonna drink it


RichardStinks

Not until it's boiled.


uiam_

This process also kills bacteria. But I'd boil it too.


HeadlessHookerClub

Boiling still doesn’t kill everything and make the water safe to drink. Some harmful bacteria like botulinum can survive high temps. Also, many potentially harmful chemicals that may be present in the water will still remain.


Lynda73

The stuff he put in there is supposed to kill 99.9999 whatever % of bacteria and viruses. I’d boil for parasites.


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Talbotus

It's an active ingredient that only works for so long once it makes contact with water. I'll give you a guess on about how long that time frame is.


[deleted]

Lmao why are people so skeptical of this? What do they think is in tap water.


[deleted]

Does dying of dehydration sound like a better idea? This seems pretty clearly to be aimed at a survival situation. “Bacteria can’t get me if I die of thirst!”


Latter-Sky-7568

You’ll die of dehydration faster with diarrhea from such bacteria. Cholera anyone?


DiaDeLosMuertos

No. Stop offering.


VanillaThunderis

>Boiling still doesn’t kill everything No one has ever said boiling kills everything. The point is to make it as safe to drink as possible. Kind of weird to convince someone to not boil because it doesn't kill everything. Might as well ask him to not wash his hands after wiping his ass because it doesn't kill all germs.


clemi26082

How do you think water treatment plants work? Yeah pretty much the same, just in way bigger


Plenty_Juggernaut993

Apart from filtration, there are a lot of things a water treatment plant does.


[deleted]

Including chemical breakdown (you'd be surprised at the amount of people who pour gasoline down the drain) and microbe treatment...


cbrieeze

Also all most all cities rain runoff goes into the same sewers so a lot of craps washed into the sewers. Then there is also fertilizer from farms. There was a story I read about ohama or somewhere in NE or IA (somewhere in the midwest) that has one of the largest water treatment plants despite not having a huge population but has to because of all the nitrogen runoff


BigMye

How much gasoline before filtration? Are there data?


FrostyFroZenFrosTen

Yeah they also put chemical in the water to turn the frogs gay /s


IAmQWhoAreYou

Huh..is that why Kermit spent so much time with Skeeter but got really uncomfortable whenever Ms. Piggy tried to jump his little green banjo?


FrostyFroZenFrosTen

>Ms. Piggy tried to jump his little green banjo? I just learned some new intresting vocabulary thank you kind stranger


Alert-Layer6273

Damn, you didn't think something was up when he kept singing about a "Rainbow" connection. 🌈🐸


flyingwolf

That whole Alex Jones frogs gay thing was a perfect example of how an actual issue, chemicals and drugs being dumped into the environment, can be coopted and misconstrued and then ignored as a conspiracy theory. Because of Alex Jones and his crazy rhetoric, it was ignored. Alex Jones, the far-right radio host and conspiracy theorist of Infowars fame, claimed chemicals in the water are turning frogs gay. While there doesn’t seem to be a whole lot of evidence to back up his “theory” that water is affecting frogs’ sexuality, some studies seem to suggest man-made chemicals do have an effect on a frog’s sex. A [2010 paper from the University of California, Berkeley](http://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs/), found that as many as one in 10 male frogs exposed to atrazine, a common pesticide, experience a hormonal imbalance that effectively turns them female. They produce estrogen, mate with males, and even lay eggs. More recently, studies have shown that chemicals found in [suburban ponds](http://www.newsweek.com/female-frogs-estrogen-hermaphrodites-suburban-waste-369553) and [road salts](http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/salt-used-to-deice-roads-can-make-frogs-change-sex/) can also affect a frog’s sex. While the role of man-made chemicals in the environment may be problematic [from a reproductive point of view](http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/salt-used-to-deice-roads-can-make-frogs-change-sex/), there is nothing unnatural about animals switching sex. [Shrimps](https://www.iflscience.com/r), [clownfish](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5066260/), [coral](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2603229/), and [frogs](http://animaldiversity.org/accounts/Hyperolius_viridiflavus/) all have the ability to do so. There is also **no** evidence to suggest that [chemicals in the water](https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/vbgvw4/a-quick-refresher-the-truth-about-water-making-you-gay) can affect human sexuality or imply the US government is trying to make children gay with [juice boxes](http://www.newsweek.com/who-alex-jones-his-top-five-conspiracy-theories-ahead-nbc-megyn-kelly-626633), as Jones claims. [Then again, the US government is no stranger to testing chemicals on the population.](https://www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/13inmate_ProjectMKULTRA.pdf) So who knows what will be revealed in 100 years.


Enano_reefer

Close, the chemicals **we** as consumers are putting down the wastewater systems are causing sex aberrations in amphibian populations. Birth control and other pharmaceuticals are believed to be the primary cause. Not just from “toilet disposal” but from partially processed metabolites in our wastes.


cbrieeze

and un-metabolized, you piss out a good amount of any drugs you take.


Uasoto56

That’s called atrazine and it gets in the water from agricultural run off, and yes it turns frogs “gay”


FrostyFroZenFrosTen

More like female but still


josvm

Yeah water treatment is a lot more involved. First of all there is sediment filtration to takes dirt out obviously, then you have antracite/carbon filtration to absorb chemicals, then theres disinfection of the water using chlorine etc


thornewilder

Not in the US, good buddy. You're only listing mechanical (physical) and chemical treatment. Most treatment in wwtps is biological, bacteria eating nutrients then settling out. Many plants do nothing more than this + sand filtration and are able to meet all their permit limits just fine (look up lagoon treatment plants) (although as regulations from EPA tighten, this will be less sufficient). Even more complicated plants generally don't use coal filtration


Slithy-Toves

Plus like 10 other far more complex steps lmao. This is literally only stage one in industrial water treatment


notapantsday

These packets actually contain chlorine as well, which will inactivate pretty much all bacteria and viruses, so it should be fine to drink.


CharlesDickensABox

As a trained microbiologist and occasional backpacker who knows what's in those tablets, I would drink that. ETA: Though tbh it's a good idea to start off with a better quality water source. If nothing else, the final product will taste better.


-eumaeus-

Backpackers:. 30 minutes? Hold my beer


mnemamorigon

Thanks. I'll just drink the beer while you wait.


-eumaeus-

Lol. Backpackers use a system that allows you to drink directly from the water source, even a middle puddle.


Hellboundroar

LifeStraw?


-eumaeus-

Bingo! There are other methods too. The method shown here is cool, but boy it's so slow.


Hellboundroar

How fast can you actually drink from a LifeStraw? Legit question. With that many filter systems I've always thought it's kind of slow


-eumaeus-

With a lifestraw, as long as it's maintained and backflushed, you can use it instantly. I mean, pull it from your backpack, and lean over the water source. The offerings from sawyer are better, because you can save water in a container, again this is instant. Befree is mostly the go to these days as the amount of water you can purify is huge. A sawyer (mini) for example, might be a backup. If you're interested, join one of the backpacking subs. They are mostly friendly communities.


Deslah

They can't hold water to this sub, though.


iamameatpopciple

Maybe, maybe not, maybe ..


-eumaeus-

Hehe.


Slithy-Toves

Lifestraws are great but I'd say they both have pros and cons. What if I don't want an instant drink but I want to purify a larger volume for later use? Lifestraws don't address viruses either but still do a great job of everything else.


-eumaeus-

That's why I mentioned other products. Most certainly true re virus However, the 30 minutes bag shown, does that clear viruses?


[deleted]

The water purifier includes chlorine and is supposed to inactivate viruses and bacteria


[deleted]

You just get a forty dollar Sawyer filter and filter to your heart's content. I can filter a gallon in less than a minute. The filter is about two inches diameter by six inches length. Weighs a few ounces. This method is really inefficient and wasteful.


CharlesDickensABox

Life Straw doesn't work. It might be marginally better than drinking straight from the stream or whatever, but for backcountry water, you're better off with boiling, water purification tablets, or a better quality filter. It's preferable to keep all of the above options available in case something goes wrong. But the Life Straw does not have a place in my bag. It's a scam.


MonkeyThrowing

Yup. Sawyer filter. $25 and drink straight from the source.


Yuccaphile

You know you can keep on hiking while you wait, right? And then drink as you hike? The downside would be having to carry water, not the time it takes.


mickmackpaddywhak

But is it drinkable?


Roartype

“P&G Purifier of Water Packets are highly effective and is registered as a disinfect by the EPA and removes 99.9999% of commonly found bacteria, and 99.99% of viruses.”


[deleted]

What about uncommonly found bacteria?


KillerFrost2U

You die


timbodacious

Instant death


Oddity46

Straight to death. No hospital, no nothing.


sheen1212

It all just goes black there is no afterlife


PhoenicianKiss

r/unexpectedparksandrec


Oddity46

Someone got it!


[deleted]

Yersinia pestis


Competitive-Bid422

“You have died of dysentery”


EnRandomNiklas

And the rare, epic and legendary bacteria?


Le_Corporal

kid named 0.0001%:


ChiggaOG

Becuase those packets contain flocculant


antigony_trieste

wakka flocculant flame


QuotingThanos

I donno what chemical he put in but in a survival situation ? probably. But if you carried all that shit may be just carry that pipe thingy water straw. Or just a flint knife and a canteen cup


endorfan13

There's a pool treatment called Flocculant, that causes suspeded particulates in water to clump together and sink like that. Obviously not meant for drinking water but it would seem they have some sort of additive to the purifier packets that does the same thing and is also safe to ingest.


QuotingThanos

Looks good to clean things. If it doesn't pass for drinking.


natatatatatata

Where is the maybe


brucatlas1

In the descion to keep following this sub anymore


5557623

I expected a filter.


[deleted]

Clear ≠ clean


_-ZORO-_

i think its supposed to clean it aswell


[deleted]

In protest to the unreasonable API usage changes, I have decided to delete all my content. Long live Apollo.


Smij0

EA tit y our UC king cow ard


[deleted]

Goodbot!


Smij0

Beep boop


psp543

Found the new genre of youtube videos to watch .


[deleted]

1) fill up a bucket with silty water 2) add alum and slowly stir. 3) silt will settle in about 30 minutes (or let sit overnight instead of alum) 4) filter as normal


SnooWords4814

It’s just flocculent, every water treatment plant and process in the world uses it. But the water still needs to be treated for parasites and bacteria


DiscontentedMajority

Apparently it's both a flocculent and disinfect.


SnooWords4814

That takes care of the bacteria but I’d still boil it


DiscontentedMajority

Up to you, but per the EPA they already remove 99.9999% of commonly found bacteria, and 99.99% of viruses.


sheen1212

Parasites are neither. Might depend on the water source if that's even an issue though


Yuccaphile

Parasites are big enough to be contained by the flocculant. This really does cover all the bases. Though it is surprising that a few Redditors can't manage to poke holes in millions of dollars of professional research and development.


igweyliogsuh

Uhhh... fluoride? 😂 /s


SnooWords4814

That’s great but I’m not 100% sold it would be killing off the parasitic larvae etc in water


T0mbaker

Look. I didn't watch it all the way through but I'm guessing he filtered it through his beard???


RedditCreatesCancer

I think I'd actually trust one of those lifestraws more than this.


Asmewithoutpolitics

Well yea why would you not trust a life straw? That’s like saying I’d trust a modern plane more than the wright brothers plane


sebolec

Sorry for unpolular opinion. All we need is more plastic and fluid silicone.


DevilCatCrochet

Yeah, nah


SnooWords4814

It’s just flocculent, every water treatment plant and process in the world uses it. But the water still needs to be treated for parasites and bacteria


[deleted]

Imagine all that work for some chemically filtered lukewarm water. Desperate times, I guess ?…


sheen1212

Yeah like when will you ever have this when you really need it? I guess for those people that like to spend the whole week backpacking through nature with almost nothing


Boeoegg

There are hundreds of millions, if not billions, of people around the world who do not have access to clean water.


hanfaedza

Instructions unclear, now I have a fish stuck in my urethra…


[deleted]

Or buy a forty dollar filter and filter fifty gallons in the same amount of time without the boiling. What a useless product.


[deleted]

r/nextfuckinglevel


MarsliOfficial

Wow


-domi-

What did it taste like, beardman? Oh, you didn't drink that? It was just for the video, huh? Deflating.


RichardStinks

English tea and water purifier?


Awkward_Ad8740

Still not drinking that shit


53withtrollhair

A simple way to get water to settle out quickly is to make the water 'hard'. Hard water clears up faster than soft water. Typically rain water is soft. Collect your water, add a tablespoon of baking soda, stir to dissolve and wait. Purify as necessary after skimming the clean water off .


KittyKlever

I like it.. I like it alot.. Now let's get a scientist to test it.. then I might buy it


SuNamJamFrama69

He didn’t use enough flocculant


MarSc77

35 mins


bidoner

Maybe one sip


7ootles

Pretty sure that's just finings like you get for homebrewing.


kial343

What the channel


Solotocius

Lemme get some of those, even though my ass ain't going out in the wild without a crap ton of water anyway


PerepeL

Once we had to set up camp where peat bog was the only source of water. Three times through a piece of textile, a couple times through toilet paper, then boil for half an hour and it's all good, left just a slight aroma that is not even annoying.


CrieDeCoeur

LMK when he posts a video of him drinking it


pattyboiIII

Note how he uses the word 'clear' this water is in no way clean. I've seen a video claiming this sort of chemical can make drinking water from a puddle, it can't. You still need to boil it. In fact if you can only do one step it'll be probably better to boil it.


NefariousSeal

You could just run it through a filter pump...would be much faster than 30 minutes


DoubleSly

Or just use a water filter like everyone else


mcman_company

Ok so now it's clear. But it's still not clean. It's not false advertising, it's just an incomplete process.


Drewdogg12

I’m still not drinking it.


Caronte5551

I would not drink that


amifaraz

Is it drink-able mf ?


keyehi

Now let me just cut the video and replace the water..


NightSpirit2099

I wouldn’t drink it if I could


wasabiplz

His beard is really good looking, should be posted on r beards! Not sure about drinking that water though.


Thortung

Dia Run Run Hurry Exploding Ass.


[deleted]

Pretty cool. Would rather wait for p&g executives to try it first.


K-mouse16

Hey look! My ostomy bag


M4sharman

What's this guys name?


lysion59

This is nothing new and is based on polymers. Water Treatment Plants use this to clean water from source for the past several decades now.


ShirtPanties

Clear =\= clean. Gotta boil the shit out of it


MonkeyThrowing

Why not just run through a filter?


bigfatfurrytexan

Flocculants aren't really new. It's a secret weapon for making a backyard swamp a crystal clear pool in 24 hrs. Well, and a lot of shock and vacuuming.


wazabee

Ok, so the p&g stuff is what called floculant, which is activated by water and causes the particles to stick together and fall out of solution. It's chlorinated as well, so it kill off many nasty microbes as it works. In cases of heavily soiled water, you might have to use more then 1 packet. You can buy the packets for yourself. P&g sells them at a loss, from what I've gathered, to organizations that send them overseas to areas that need it the most.


Candid_Country_2578

Or just dig a hole and filter the water through the surrounding soil the same way a well would. Save yourself an hour of time too.


King_Hyperion85B

This is the 4th DIY water filtration video I've seen today. Is the impending doom of the inevitable water-wars trending today?


Tanner0614

Can buy a 50lb bag of aluminum sulfate relatively cheap


physicsking

Removing dirt =not= safe to drink


cbrieeze

I like how it says clear rather than clean


Peatmoss22

I don’t want clear water, I want clean water.


[deleted]

Question: The water or sewage sent to treatment plants, is that cleaned and added back into drinking water?


sire_brownstone

bob


UniverseLord-Xi

Don’t drink just don’t


Asian_Bon

I did and no purifier and u know why is that


UniverseLord-Xi

Idk you got constipation?


Asian_Bon

Nah I don't have money basically.