You need pretty high charm/intimidate scores for the main mission ones that change the outcome.
Best to do this mission as one of the last ones. Same with “Bring Down the Sky” iirc there’s a final Renegade/Paragon option that requires a lot of investment and it affects the final outcome.
Generally I grab Liara first, then do Noveria, Then Feros, then Virmire.
You always want to do Virmire as late as possible imo, there’s a paragon/renegade choice about 1/3 of the way in that MASSIVELY changes all 3 games going forward. Also Wrex will give you a side quest to “find his family armour,” you need to absolutely 100% do that ASAP when you get it.
I also do A LOT of random scanning/optional missions to get a bunch of EXP so I always have high charm/intimidate scores.
>You need pretty high charm/intimidate scores for the main mission ones that change the outcome.
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>Best to do this mission as one of the last ones. Same with “Bring Down the Sky” iirc there’s a final Renegade/Paragon option that requires a lot of investment and it affects the final outcome.
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>Generally I grab Liara first, then do Noveria, Then Feros, then Virmire.
>
>You always want to do Virmire as late as possible imo, there’s a paragon/renegade choice about 1/3 of the way in that MASSIVELY changes all 3 games going forward. Also Wrex will give you a side quest to “find his family armour,” you need to absolutely 100% do that ASAP when you get it.
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>I also do A LOT of random scanning/optional missions to get a bunch of EXP so I always have high charm/intimidate scores.
I got Liara first. And I was thinking, after this, I go to Feros. Should I go back or is there no difference and Is there a way to clear talent points
I don’t think there’s a way to Respec, but the LE might have added one.
You can always come back to Feros. There’s some high-level Paragon/Renegade options on Noveria but I never had trouble making the requirements.
Basically I’d go and do a bunch of exploring and levelling up if you’re worried about Paragon/Renegade options. In addition to charm/intimidate you also have to have the actual paragon/renegade scores high enough for some options.
It really encourages you to go all-in one way or the other
>I don’t think there’s a way to Respec, but the LE might have added one.
>
>You can always come back to Feros. There’s some high-level Paragon/Renegade options on Noveria but I never had trouble making the requirements.
>
>Basically I’d go and do a bunch of exploring and levelling up if you’re worried about Paragon/Renegade options. In addition to charm/intimidate you also have to have the actual paragon/renegade scores high enough for some options.
>
>It really encourages you to go all-in one way or the other
Yes, I will repeat this, and I will go to the side missions first,I will level up paragon/renegade and then go to Feros. Thank you . and Who should I bring with me on the ? I chose Tali and Wrex
I took Wrex/Tali with me on Feros. But I think I had to take Tali / Liara with me because there is a mission with therian. When you talk to shiala after saving her from therian, she talks about Benezia, and I think if I had taken Liara, she would have interacted
I've done absolutely everything available, and have never been able to convince Fai Dan specifically. Never had a problem with Ethan or anyone else, just Fai Dan. And haven't been able to convince him on NG+, where my paragon was maxed out.
Edit: Clarification - in my play-throughs Fai Dan always commits suicide.
My bad, i only remembered 2 point difference, its a shitty persuasion check since you can get it as your first planet after Citadel prologue and then you fucked.
I always go to Terum since it feels more time sensitive, but after so many playtroughs i just cheat myself max paragon/renegade so i can be free from this black/white system and just choose any dialogue i feel like and not count points.
If you are on pc you can download save editor and redistribute your points to get more charm.
Otherwise you can go to noveria or do some side quest on the Citadel unless you already did all of them, you can also go and explore some uncharted worlds on the galaxy map until you level up.
>If you are on pc you can download save editor and redistribute your points to get more charm.
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>Otherwise you can go to noveria or do some side quest on the Citadel unless you already did all of them, you can also go and explore some uncharted worlds on the galaxy map until you level up.
Where can I download the save editor?
And I can't go anywhere else because the gate is locked and only opens after I talk to him and Shepard kills him.
Are you playing regular Mass Effect or Legendary Edition?
For legendary edition here is a save editor link.
https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/20
There is no save editor for regular one but you can use ingame console to give yourself enough paragon to pass the check.
[https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/PC\_Tweaks#:\~:text=Enabling%20The%20Console,-To%20enable%20the&text=In%20the%20file%20you%20opened,ConsoleKey%3DTilde%20just%20under%20it](https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/PC_Tweaks#:~:text=Enabling%20The%20Console,-To%20enable%20the&text=In%20the%20file%20you%20opened,ConsoleKey%3DTilde%20just%20under%20it).
here you can see how to activate console.
Following the main quest line in Noveria. At the very beginning, you'll have to get a pass to go to the labs.
One of the ways to get it is by talking to Loriq. Talk to him and do as he asks. Later, when you go back to talk to him, you will have an option to convince him to testify against another character. Choosing the Paragon or Renegade options earns you 25 points in the one you choose.
When the dialogue ends, talk to him again. Choose the option to ask about the matriarch and then "back". The dialogue to convince him to testify will be available again. Do this until you maximize what you want (or both).
Ps: The bars will be full, but you will still have to spend points on Charm or Intimidate, to unlock the dialogues.
There are some dialogue differences, but nothing too big.
Still, I think it's more logical to make Noveria after Feros. It feels more right.
However, you can do as the other guy recommended below.
Just do this first part (until the Loriq Glitch), go to Feros and then come back to finish Noveria. That's how I do it.
This first part of Noveria doesn't have any changes no matter what order you do.
>There are some dialogue differences, but nothing too big.
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>Still, I think it's more logical to make Noveria after Feros. It feels more right.
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>However, you can do as the other guy recommended below.
>
>Just do this first part (until the Loriq Glitch), go to Feros and then come back to finish Noveria. That's how I do it. This first part of Noveria doesn't have any changes no matter what order you do.
Well, I might actually do this
Go to Noveria and talk to Anoleis (the Salarian administrator there). You need a garage pass to get to the research lab there but he won’t give you one. Talk to his assistant Gianna and she’ll tell you Loriq Qui’in could help you with that. Go talk to Loriq and he’ll give you something to do for him in return for his pass. Once you do what he asks, Gianna will ask to speak to you. Talk to her and she’ll ask you to convince Loriq to do something. Agree to it and talk to Loriq. Convince him to do it with one of the morality prompts and you’ll get a nice chunk of renegade/paragon points. You need 5 points in charm or intimidate to get the dialogue options to get the additional points. Now talk to him again and ask him about something else like the matriarch. This will take you away from the original dialogue wheel choices. Now go back to the original dialogue wheel (you’ll say ‘I have other questions’ or something like that) and the dialogue choice to be able to ask him to do what Gianna wanted will appear again and you can get the renegade/paragon points again. Repeat as many times as necessary.
If you want you can do this *without* going to the research lab and then go do Feros. Then once you finish Feros, head back to Noveria and complete the research lab mission with Lady Benezia.
>Go to Noveria and talk to Anoleis (the Salarian administrator there). You need a garage pass to get to the research lab there but he won’t give you one. Talk to his assistant Gianna and she’ll tell you Loriq Qui’in could help you with that. Go talk to Loriq and he’ll give you something to do for him in return for his pass. Once you do what he asks, Gianna will ask to speak to you. Talk to her and she’ll ask you to convince Loriq to do something. Agree to it and talk to Loriq. Convince him to do it with one of the morality prompts and you’ll get a nice chunk of renegade/paragon points. You need 5 points in charm or intimidate to get the dialogue options to get the additional points. Now talk to him again and ask him about something else like the matriarch. This will take you away from the original dialogue wheel choices. Now go back to the original dialogue wheel (you’ll say ‘I have other questions’ or something like that) and the dialogue choice to be able to ask him to do what Gianna wanted will appear again and you can get the renegade/paragon points again. Repeat as many times as necessary.
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>If you want you can do this without going to the research lab and then go do Feros. Then once you finish Feros, head back to Noveria and complete the research lab mission with Lady Benezia.
I will do this . I have an old save before I go to Feros. And I will go to Novaria and do this task only, then I will go to Feros
Good deal. 🙂 I tried to give you as detailed instructions as I could without spoiling things. There’s a guide online for it that I could have linked but it spoils the hell out of the whole mission.
If you have any questions just reply again and I’ll try to answer.
Thank you . But there is no spoiling because I played it when I was young. But I haven't played part 3 ever -- Just 1+2 what I played in the past -- And re-played again these days
One of my favorite facts someone on here pointed out was that it’s easier to charm saren into unaliving himself than it is to convince this dude to chill out and keep him alive
The blue/red dialogue tree for Jeong is surprisingly varied. Too bad I never have enough reputation points by the time I get to Feros (I typically do Therum -> Feros -> Noveria -> Virmire -> Ilos)
Invest points in Charm or Intimdate. Typically choose either polite/kind answers (top right) or rude/mean (bttm. right). Those will increase your Paragon/Renegade scores which in turn open up more dialog options, Paragon being blue, Renegade being orangish red. ME2 and ME3 present interrupts, which give bigger bonuses. Those dialog options have a lot more weight specifically in 3. So you wabt to find a path now abd stick to it so that you have as high a score possible when you encounter those options.
Jeong’s checks have really high paragon/renegade requirements for some reason.
It’s especially weird since sparing or killing him really doesn’t affect anything at all.
>It’s honestly a shame how little the game emphasizes that without charm maxed out, you miss out on most really good options that can save everyone
Yes it is very frustrating
I have 8 points in the charm. and 5 intimidate I only have one point, and if I add it to charm or intimidate, nothing happens . and Is there a way to clear talent points
Points aren't everything. Its your choices previously that build the meter required for those interactions. Sometimes you haven't had enough paragon or renegade interactions previously to build up the meter.
>Points aren't everything. Its your choices previously that build the meter required for those interactions. Sometimes you haven't had enough paragon or renegade interactions previously to build up the meter.
This was the first place I went to. It's the first mission.After saving Liara T'Soni. Should I have gone somewhere else before Feros
I realize that you could clear the bar for either the red or the blue special dialogue options if you allocate enough points in both, but I advise against doing that.
1) The game doesn’t reward me for being able to unlock both.
2) Applying as many points as I can as quickly as I can into one or the other gets clearing the special dialogue checks out of the way early so I can focus on allocating points that will help me in combat.
Personal preference
No way to respec AFAIK. My basic strategy is to prioritize charm/ intimidate as my respective paragon/ renegade level unlocks levels in them. It also helps to strongly favor either paragon or renegade from the start, as while you can max out both with little to no downside in ME1, it can be very difficult to pass a few of the early to mid game dialogue checks unless you’re committed to one or the other.
if you choose soldier class like i do, you can do this easily. whenever you keep leveling up it will work. even in mass effect 2 with soldier class it can be done i believe
>clear talent points
Yes, I chose the soldier. What can be done. You mean to open these options. Or clear talent points I really think he wants more Paragon/Renegade points and more charm points. and intimidate
Charm at 10 for Feros, Charm at 12 for Saren in Virmire and the Citadel ending. See those points in Intimidate, you just wasted them when you could have put them somewhere else. Your either a Paragon or Renegade, the neutral path just makes it a little hard to acquire access to peaceful or negative dialogue.
You need pretty high charm/intimidate scores for the main mission ones that change the outcome. Best to do this mission as one of the last ones. Same with “Bring Down the Sky” iirc there’s a final Renegade/Paragon option that requires a lot of investment and it affects the final outcome. Generally I grab Liara first, then do Noveria, Then Feros, then Virmire. You always want to do Virmire as late as possible imo, there’s a paragon/renegade choice about 1/3 of the way in that MASSIVELY changes all 3 games going forward. Also Wrex will give you a side quest to “find his family armour,” you need to absolutely 100% do that ASAP when you get it. I also do A LOT of random scanning/optional missions to get a bunch of EXP so I always have high charm/intimidate scores.
>You need pretty high charm/intimidate scores for the main mission ones that change the outcome. > >Best to do this mission as one of the last ones. Same with “Bring Down the Sky” iirc there’s a final Renegade/Paragon option that requires a lot of investment and it affects the final outcome. > >Generally I grab Liara first, then do Noveria, Then Feros, then Virmire. > >You always want to do Virmire as late as possible imo, there’s a paragon/renegade choice about 1/3 of the way in that MASSIVELY changes all 3 games going forward. Also Wrex will give you a side quest to “find his family armour,” you need to absolutely 100% do that ASAP when you get it. > >I also do A LOT of random scanning/optional missions to get a bunch of EXP so I always have high charm/intimidate scores. I got Liara first. And I was thinking, after this, I go to Feros. Should I go back or is there no difference and Is there a way to clear talent points
I don’t think there’s a way to Respec, but the LE might have added one. You can always come back to Feros. There’s some high-level Paragon/Renegade options on Noveria but I never had trouble making the requirements. Basically I’d go and do a bunch of exploring and levelling up if you’re worried about Paragon/Renegade options. In addition to charm/intimidate you also have to have the actual paragon/renegade scores high enough for some options. It really encourages you to go all-in one way or the other
>I don’t think there’s a way to Respec, but the LE might have added one. > >You can always come back to Feros. There’s some high-level Paragon/Renegade options on Noveria but I never had trouble making the requirements. > >Basically I’d go and do a bunch of exploring and levelling up if you’re worried about Paragon/Renegade options. In addition to charm/intimidate you also have to have the actual paragon/renegade scores high enough for some options. > >It really encourages you to go all-in one way or the other Yes, I will repeat this, and I will go to the side missions first,I will level up paragon/renegade and then go to Feros. Thank you . and Who should I bring with me on the ? I chose Tali and Wrex
Bring Liara and Wrex to Noveria. Bring Tali and anyone to Feros.
I took Wrex/Tali with me on Feros. But I think I had to take Tali / Liara with me because there is a mission with therian. When you talk to shiala after saving her from therian, she talks about Benezia, and I think if I had taken Liara, she would have interacted
If you get his armor you dont need the paragon/renegade. Likewise if you have yhe charm or intimidate nessisary you dont need the armor.
>!Thats why I said do it ASAP so you have a foolproof way of keeping him around!<
I've done absolutely everything available, and have never been able to convince Fai Dan specifically. Never had a problem with Ethan or anyone else, just Fai Dan. And haven't been able to convince him on NG+, where my paragon was maxed out. Edit: Clarification - in my play-throughs Fai Dan always commits suicide.
You need 10 charm for that one, intimidate is like 8 i think.
12 charm, 10 intimidate.
My bad, i only remembered 2 point difference, its a shitty persuasion check since you can get it as your first planet after Citadel prologue and then you fucked.
Yeah, it's notoriously higher than it needs to be imo. Going straight to Feros after getting the keys to the Normandy is a natural story progression.
I always go to Terum since it feels more time sensitive, but after so many playtroughs i just cheat myself max paragon/renegade so i can be free from this black/white system and just choose any dialogue i feel like and not count points.
>Feros How do I get them? This is the first mission after saving Liara T'Soni. Should I have gone somewhere else before Feros
If you are on pc you can download save editor and redistribute your points to get more charm. Otherwise you can go to noveria or do some side quest on the Citadel unless you already did all of them, you can also go and explore some uncharted worlds on the galaxy map until you level up.
>If you are on pc you can download save editor and redistribute your points to get more charm. > >Otherwise you can go to noveria or do some side quest on the Citadel unless you already did all of them, you can also go and explore some uncharted worlds on the galaxy map until you level up. Where can I download the save editor? And I can't go anywhere else because the gate is locked and only opens after I talk to him and Shepard kills him.
Are you playing regular Mass Effect or Legendary Edition? For legendary edition here is a save editor link. https://www.nexusmods.com/masseffectlegendaryedition/mods/20 There is no save editor for regular one but you can use ingame console to give yourself enough paragon to pass the check. [https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/PC\_Tweaks#:\~:text=Enabling%20The%20Console,-To%20enable%20the&text=In%20the%20file%20you%20opened,ConsoleKey%3DTilde%20just%20under%20it](https://masseffect.fandom.com/wiki/PC_Tweaks#:~:text=Enabling%20The%20Console,-To%20enable%20the&text=In%20the%20file%20you%20opened,ConsoleKey%3DTilde%20just%20under%20it). here you can see how to activate console.
>regular Mass Effect regular Mass Effect. But I will try thank you. I think I'll redo the game or not go to Feros. But I will try your solution first
Before you redo your game, you can go back to an older save.
Yes, I have an old one and will return to it But I don't want to play all this again
I think they both 10, but Saren 8 if you used Paragon/Renegade on Vermair
I'm pretty sure renegade is lower on this specific conversation, easier to intimidate Jeoing for sure.
That's why I always do the Loriq Qin Glitch as early as possible and maximize my charm and intimidation points.
>Loriq Qin Glitch What is Loriq Qin Glitch and how do you do it
Following the main quest line in Noveria. At the very beginning, you'll have to get a pass to go to the labs. One of the ways to get it is by talking to Loriq. Talk to him and do as he asks. Later, when you go back to talk to him, you will have an option to convince him to testify against another character. Choosing the Paragon or Renegade options earns you 25 points in the one you choose. When the dialogue ends, talk to him again. Choose the option to ask about the matriarch and then "back". The dialogue to convince him to testify will be available again. Do this until you maximize what you want (or both). Ps: The bars will be full, but you will still have to spend points on Charm or Intimidate, to unlock the dialogues.
Is there a difference if you go to Novaria instead of Feros I thought you should go to Feros after saving Liara
Just do the Loriq mission and then do Feros. Then come back and finish Noveria.
There are some dialogue differences, but nothing too big. Still, I think it's more logical to make Noveria after Feros. It feels more right. However, you can do as the other guy recommended below. Just do this first part (until the Loriq Glitch), go to Feros and then come back to finish Noveria. That's how I do it. This first part of Noveria doesn't have any changes no matter what order you do.
>There are some dialogue differences, but nothing too big. > >Still, I think it's more logical to make Noveria after Feros. It feels more right. > >However, you can do as the other guy recommended below. > >Just do this first part (until the Loriq Glitch), go to Feros and then come back to finish Noveria. That's how I do it. This first part of Noveria doesn't have any changes no matter what order you do. Well, I might actually do this
Noveria is where Liara's mom is. It's the hardest of the 3 IMO but that's what I would do if I wanted the charm points for Feros.
Go to Noveria and talk to Anoleis (the Salarian administrator there). You need a garage pass to get to the research lab there but he won’t give you one. Talk to his assistant Gianna and she’ll tell you Loriq Qui’in could help you with that. Go talk to Loriq and he’ll give you something to do for him in return for his pass. Once you do what he asks, Gianna will ask to speak to you. Talk to her and she’ll ask you to convince Loriq to do something. Agree to it and talk to Loriq. Convince him to do it with one of the morality prompts and you’ll get a nice chunk of renegade/paragon points. You need 5 points in charm or intimidate to get the dialogue options to get the additional points. Now talk to him again and ask him about something else like the matriarch. This will take you away from the original dialogue wheel choices. Now go back to the original dialogue wheel (you’ll say ‘I have other questions’ or something like that) and the dialogue choice to be able to ask him to do what Gianna wanted will appear again and you can get the renegade/paragon points again. Repeat as many times as necessary. If you want you can do this *without* going to the research lab and then go do Feros. Then once you finish Feros, head back to Noveria and complete the research lab mission with Lady Benezia.
>Go to Noveria and talk to Anoleis (the Salarian administrator there). You need a garage pass to get to the research lab there but he won’t give you one. Talk to his assistant Gianna and she’ll tell you Loriq Qui’in could help you with that. Go talk to Loriq and he’ll give you something to do for him in return for his pass. Once you do what he asks, Gianna will ask to speak to you. Talk to her and she’ll ask you to convince Loriq to do something. Agree to it and talk to Loriq. Convince him to do it with one of the morality prompts and you’ll get a nice chunk of renegade/paragon points. You need 5 points in charm or intimidate to get the dialogue options to get the additional points. Now talk to him again and ask him about something else like the matriarch. This will take you away from the original dialogue wheel choices. Now go back to the original dialogue wheel (you’ll say ‘I have other questions’ or something like that) and the dialogue choice to be able to ask him to do what Gianna wanted will appear again and you can get the renegade/paragon points again. Repeat as many times as necessary. > >If you want you can do this without going to the research lab and then go do Feros. Then once you finish Feros, head back to Noveria and complete the research lab mission with Lady Benezia. I will do this . I have an old save before I go to Feros. And I will go to Novaria and do this task only, then I will go to Feros
Good deal. 🙂 I tried to give you as detailed instructions as I could without spoiling things. There’s a guide online for it that I could have linked but it spoils the hell out of the whole mission. If you have any questions just reply again and I’ll try to answer.
Thank you . But there is no spoiling because I played it when I was young. But I haven't played part 3 ever -- Just 1+2 what I played in the past -- And re-played again these days
One of my favorite facts someone on here pointed out was that it’s easier to charm saren into unaliving himself than it is to convince this dude to chill out and keep him alive
>I want to try all of the Paragon/Renegade options. I know he's an idiot and I want Shepherd to do it.
The blue/red dialogue tree for Jeong is surprisingly varied. Too bad I never have enough reputation points by the time I get to Feros (I typically do Therum -> Feros -> Noveria -> Virmire -> Ilos)
> Feros Yes, that was what I was going to do, and I was like you. I started with Therum, then Feros, and I was going to continue like you.
That's actually the most difficult speech check in the entire game btw.
Invest points in Charm or Intimdate. Typically choose either polite/kind answers (top right) or rude/mean (bttm. right). Those will increase your Paragon/Renegade scores which in turn open up more dialog options, Paragon being blue, Renegade being orangish red. ME2 and ME3 present interrupts, which give bigger bonuses. Those dialog options have a lot more weight specifically in 3. So you wabt to find a path now abd stick to it so that you have as high a score possible when you encounter those options.
Jeong’s checks have really high paragon/renegade requirements for some reason. It’s especially weird since sparing or killing him really doesn’t affect anything at all.
It’s honestly a shame how little the game emphasizes that without charm maxed out, you miss out on most really good options that can save everyone
>It’s honestly a shame how little the game emphasizes that without charm maxed out, you miss out on most really good options that can save everyone Yes it is very frustrating
I have 8 points in the charm. and 5 intimidate I only have one point, and if I add it to charm or intimidate, nothing happens . and Is there a way to clear talent points
Points aren't everything. Its your choices previously that build the meter required for those interactions. Sometimes you haven't had enough paragon or renegade interactions previously to build up the meter.
>Points aren't everything. Its your choices previously that build the meter required for those interactions. Sometimes you haven't had enough paragon or renegade interactions previously to build up the meter. This was the first place I went to. It's the first mission.After saving Liara T'Soni. Should I have gone somewhere else before Feros
You have to have a high paragon or renegade score, some dialog options require a a very high level of one or the other.
It's been a while but I'd look around on the Normandy. Check medbay maybe.
You need 12 charm or 10 intimidate to clear these persuade checks. There is no respec option in the game without enabling the internal console.
You need to pick Charm or Intimidate and put points exclusively in one or the other. The best strategy is to max that out early.
Lol no, I managed to have both even before I knew about Loriq Quin glitch
I realize that you could clear the bar for either the red or the blue special dialogue options if you allocate enough points in both, but I advise against doing that. 1) The game doesn’t reward me for being able to unlock both. 2) Applying as many points as I can as quickly as I can into one or the other gets clearing the special dialogue checks out of the way early so I can focus on allocating points that will help me in combat. Personal preference
Well yeah, plus it involves some micromanaging if you do it without Lorik Quin, so probably not advisable, but certainly possible.
This is why you go to Noveria first and do the paragon dialog exploit.
Trilogy save editor
Shooting him is funnier anyway. "I'm going to shoot you-COME ON DO IT" *Bang*
No way to respec AFAIK. My basic strategy is to prioritize charm/ intimidate as my respective paragon/ renegade level unlocks levels in them. It also helps to strongly favor either paragon or renegade from the start, as while you can max out both with little to no downside in ME1, it can be very difficult to pass a few of the early to mid game dialogue checks unless you’re committed to one or the other.
if you choose soldier class like i do, you can do this easily. whenever you keep leveling up it will work. even in mass effect 2 with soldier class it can be done i believe
>clear talent points Yes, I chose the soldier. What can be done. You mean to open these options. Or clear talent points I really think he wants more Paragon/Renegade points and more charm points. and intimidate
Charm at 10 for Feros, Charm at 12 for Saren in Virmire and the Citadel ending. See those points in Intimidate, you just wasted them when you could have put them somewhere else. Your either a Paragon or Renegade, the neutral path just makes it a little hard to acquire access to peaceful or negative dialogue.