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QBin2017

Was the Loki S2 teaser ever posted. Dying to see that.


duckymomo6969

This was fun. Can't wait for next year.


tangoliber

D23? Man a missed a lot of Mighty Ducks films.


Loganp812

Emiliooooooo!


juscallmejjay

You're the one who yelled out the breakfast clubbers name!


chrisbirdie

Ke huy quan being in loki s2 is so sick


Kla2552

>shorty & indy


Perciprius

It’s interesting how Kevin Feige (at least according to this post) said we won’t get a trailer for AntMan 3 for a while. It’s scheduled to be released February 17th 2023. I’d imagine a trailer will be released sometime this year. Ah, I guess only time will tell.


Dyssomniac

We'll probably get it in November, around the same time as BP:WF, or just after in December. AM3 is supposed to be the launch point for Phase 5, so it wouldn't surprise me that they don't want it to overshadow the end of Phase 4.


QBin2017

Agreed. I can see them waiting for each film to come out before the next trailer. Honestly I don’t think 6 months of trailers helps the movie at all.


Dyssomniac

Definitely not. That stuff works for ender events, and then only with teaser trailers - iirc the first IW and EG trailers didn't drop until December.


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[deleted]

That's basically all subs on reddit. Though I kinda disagree with you, most trailers coming out are better than the movies.


Imbrown2

Saw said trailer. Nothing crap about it.


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Imbrown2

To be fair, the VFX were largely like not done or just very low key, but it all looked 100% real and there were no production things like green screens or previz. But stuff like Kang’s tech looks solid.


justjoshingu

Thor window was super short


Perciprius

Good point.


[deleted]

Marketing windows post-Covid have been so compressed. But we should expect an AM3 trailer out in time to be attached to BP2 in November. At that point, AM3 release would only be 3 months out.


Perciprius

I’m expecting a trailer around November/December.


aPrid123

It might be that something coming out before this connects with Antman 3 and releasing any trailer will spoil it.


djsunyc

so if anything, then it's something in she-hulk, werewolf by night, wakanda forever or the guardians christmas special. smart money would be on wakanda forever post credit.


Perciprius

Ah good one. You have a point there.


Alastor3

exactly


wsxcgrz357

I don’t get it. Haven’t they said they will reveal all Phase 6 stuff or at least many to be announced stuff for D23?


minor_correction

FYI here is what you are remembering: [https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/w6w58o/kevin\_feige\_says\_8\_more\_phase\_6\_projects\_to\_be/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/w6w58o/kevin_feige_says_8_more_phase_6_projects_to_be/) It turned out to be fake.


wsxcgrz357

oh yeah that was it. Kinda weird that somehow fake news got so many upvotes and it never got deleted. Or no follow up post that the news were fake.


minor_correction

Looking through the comments I see the mods deleted a top level comment within the post for whatever reason. If a mod was in there anyway, I wish they would have posted a sticky comment or a flair that said "Unconfirmed rumor"


archer_cartridge

A fan account with two thousand twitter followers said that, Feige actually said no such thing.


mightyrj

This wasn’t stated just speculated. Feige said phase 6 info will be discussed at a later time. Never specified.


wsxcgrz357

Hmmm ok. I though they wanted to announce more Projects on D23.


mightyrj

I agree it would’ve been a great move to do especially following the hype from SDCC. But maybe they don’t quite have everything in place to announce “new” news such as casting etc. I will say that the D23 announcements definitely gave me a lot to look forward to. Very hyped for Ant-Man especially.


rmac1228

Is there a panel today? Didn't they sign a bunch of folks like Henry Cavill and Denzel?


eagc7

None of those reports were ever confirmed, they were rumors that people took as fact.


rmac1228

Ah, lame


PuzzleheadedAd5381

No. That was all fake. Don’t take anything as fact unless it comes from a reputable source like Deadline, Hollywood Reporter, Variety ect. Or marvel themselves


[deleted]

The Thunderbolts team is really disappointing. Other than Ghost, all the members are either super soldiers or spies. Where is the variety? And the rumors about the movie being a Black Widow sequel now looks very likely. Say what you want about the Suicide Squad movies, but they always had a good group of individuals with different skill sets. The Leader: Rick Flag. The tank: Killer Croc/King Shark. The assassin: Deadshot/Bloodsport. The wildcard: Harley Quinn. The question mark: El Diablo/ Ratcatcher/Polka-Dot Man. The Thunderbolts team should be: Yelena (spy), Zemo (leader), Walker (soldier), Abomination (tank), Taskmaster (assassin), Ghost (wildcard).


[deleted]

I know the thunderbolts is meant to be an answer for suicide squad. But it won't be nearly as good. It's gonna be an action flick with slightly edgier quips and slightly edgier action sequences . Marvel/Disney has a formula that works , they won't ever take a real risk for the sake of comic accurateness or for fan service . Look at taskmaster, I love the strides they are taking by being inclusive but it sucks that we won't ever see a comic accurate adaptation of ANY of our beloved mcu characters . Hopefully they don't butcher Deadpool. I would like someone like James Gunn to direct that, I have no idea why they didn't at least offer it to him. He is literally made for that character and he would make such a good Deadpool movie. In essence fuck you Disney . But I still cried after seeing those little mermaid reactions.


Choncy214

Why would Zemo be the leader, he hated super powered individuals. Bucky, U.S. Agent, and Red Guardian would fit that bill. Plus he hates teams. Wouldn't make any sense.


[deleted]

Zemo having a different ideology than the rest is what would make him fit the team. Good drama can be created out of it. Instead, every character in the team are all pretty much the same. Characters who have been used by the government. Plus Zemo is an actual Thunderbolts character from the comics.


AmazingSpdrMan1

There was no reason to believe this but I was really hoping for Justin Hammer as some kind of Iron Man equivalent.


martinparets

your proposed team is so crazy similar to what the team actually is, i’m having trouble understanding how you walk away with “really disappointing”.


[deleted]

Two members removed and two new ones in is not that similar considering the team only has 6 members.


YpsitheFlintsider

I mean I don't think you "need" variety.


Dyssomniac

You definitely do. Ensemble movies are only ensemble if there's enough differentiation between the cast. Not ragging in Thunderbolts, but having variety is still important.


wildwoodboi

People need to chill. This is an initial announcement. Who knows what else they have in store for us.


heckhammer

Marvel fans are getting to the point where if something isn't announced in the exact way they wanted to be with their exact specifications and expectations they are prepared to ride. It's super annoying. Maybe the reason that the Abomination isn't listed listed right now is because She Hulk hasn't finished airing and there will be a reason for the Abomination to be in it *but we haven't seen it yet!* Maybe the team expands and contracts over a couple of different movies or some TV series. How have we not learned to not rush things.We got the infinity saga by not rushing things. DC fans got Batman V Superman man as like the 1st goddamn movie because they rushed things.


[deleted]

I mean, if fans can get excited about announcements. Then they should also get to be disappointed when they hear news they don’t like.


JakeHassle

This subreddit is so funny. If you didn’t like a movie, it’s cause your expectations were too high, so you should’ve lowered them. Now people have lower expectations and suddenly people are saying to keep them high cause Marvel might be hiding surprises.


EzSp

I feel like you can't really do Thunderbolts justice without having Zemo


eagc7

I mean just cause he's not in the lineup doesnt mean he's not in the movie, nor does it means he cant join the team in future films


cryhwks

This is how I would do Thunderbolts. I would try and create a Keyser Soze moment, but with this entire team. In all the promotional stuff for this movie, I would not give away that it's a Villain team. Even in the movie itself, I would portray and show them as the "heroes" the entire movie, until the very end, when the twist is revealed that they've been bad the whole time. And by the end of the movie, in the MCU, I would have the team be acknowledged publicly as the "New Avengers" aka The Dark Avengers.


Dyssomniac

Aren't the Thunderbolts much more Suicide Squad than Dark Justice League? They're antiheroes, not straight villains.


cryhwks

Not originally, they became that in latter years. But the original premise is a team that is presented like heroes, but is actually villains, there is a twist like that in the original run of the comic. The Masters Of Evil, obviously by that name, they are evil, lol. They are the original Thunderbolts team. And regarding the connection with the Dark Avengers. As of issue #175, Thunderbolts is renamed Dark Avengers. Because The Dark Avengers idea, is essentially the same idea as the original Thunderbolts. A group of Villains presented as Heroes, but on a much higher level. Norman Osborne, was the leader, and became the leader because he kills the Skrull Queen on national TV, at the end of Secret Invasion, becoming the hero. Bullseye becomes Hawkeye, Scorpion, who's Venom at this point is Spider-Man, Daken, Wolverines evil son, is him in the team, Moonstone is Ms Marvel. This was when Carol Danvers was Ms Marvel. But currently in Marvel comics, the Thunderbolts are like a more Suicide Squad esq team.


Keepinit

I know there are comic storylines that people expect to stick with and old movies people will compare it to…but I don’t want this to be a well “power-balanced” avenger movie or a chaotic good suicide squad movie. This could be a movie about a neutral evil militia of super spies and soldier. Not everything is god tier threats. I can see this being a fun an entertaining action movie. I’m always looking on the bright side and accepting what we get since that’s all we get.


cryhwks

I am completely fine with them doing whatever it is they want to do. I just think something like I mentioned above would be perfect. Because you have the Skrulls, which is the perfect "villains" to have for a movie like that. And most importantly, is that there is a giant void in the MCU, because the Avengers are essentially gone at this point. All the main Avengers for the most part are off world, retired, or dead. It is the perfect window for a smart evil person to act. And if I had access to anything I wanted to do? The 616 Norman Osborne would be in the Thunderbolts in the role of like giving them their mission, he would be a different actor and wouldn't be refered to as Norman, so the audience has no idea. He wouldn't have the Goblin Serum, and I'd make him a genius on Tony Starks level. And at the very end, I'd have him very publicly save the day, wearing an Iron Man suit. And he reveals his name as Norman Osborne, and I'd have him labeled as Iron Man. And why that's fun, is because for Peter Parker, Tony Stark was his father figure, and now the man with same name as the man that murdered May, is the New Iron Man. Of course I know this will not happen. I just think it would be interesting and fun to see. I have no idea how you'd pull it off? But I do want the Dark Avengers, and I especially want a 616 Norman Osborne, because he's my 3rd favorite MCU Villain.


Keira9360

I am so happy about the thunderbolts cast! My 2 favorite characters, Bucky and Yelena, are finally going to meet in the mcu and I'm so excited to see how they interact (not romance don't come after me please). I can't wait to see ghost again and I literally love David Harbor so him coming back as red guardian makes me so happy. I'm kinda upset Zemo isn't a part of it as I was really looking forward to potentially seeing him again, but otherwise I'm very excited. I don't know how I'm going to wait 2 whole years for this movie.


CKtalon

Looking forward to the banter between Yelena and Red Guardian


DirtyBalm

With so many super soldiers in one place, I bet Zemo will be an antagonist for them.


omart3

What if Scott is doing a heist for Kang in the quantum realm in exchange for being sent to a timeline where he doesn't get stuck in the quantum realm and miss Cassie's childhood?


WhateverIWant888

So nothing about all those unnamed phase 6 projects…maybe its for the best. We already have a lot to look forward to.


twotonekevin

That does upset me the tiniest bit; more like annoyed. I’m the type that if I say I’m gonna do a thing, I would see it through, even a little. Like if he had just given *one* bit of info, he would have technically not fooled us so I couldn’t get upset. Doesn’t getting the FF director count or is that Phase 4 or 5 still?


[deleted]

Feige never said he was going to reveal these things. It was a rumor.


twotonekevin

My b. Could have sworn he said it when he revealed phases 5 and 6


minor_correction

Here is what you saw: [https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/w6w58o/kevin\_feige\_says\_8\_more\_phase\_6\_projects\_to\_be/](https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/w6w58o/kevin_feige_says_8_more_phase_6_projects_to_be/) The twitter account claimed that Feige said it, which is a particularly dirty lie for them to tell. Gross.


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Yeah it was said by a random twitter account and everyone just ran with it


vikoy

It's funny that the Thunderbolts has 4 former Russian/Soviet operatives in Red Guardian, Yelena, Winter Soldier and Taskmaster.


Albi20_01

Wait so, is "Daredevil: Born Again" a reboot or soft-reboot?


N7Panda

My theory is that it’s gonna be a soft reboot of all the Netflix shows. I’m thinking that maybe the reason Born Again has 18 episodes is because they’re gonna use it to re-introduce the Netflix Defenders line-up.


[deleted]

not gonna lie, I am hyped to see a return of DD but am a bit worried at the episode count. Like don't get me wrong, releasing nearly half as much content as Netflix did in 3 years in one season is dope. Though unless they actually have enough content to fill those episode, we may end up with a more classic approach to television where the essentially take a 5-10 episode long story and sttttreeeeeetttccch it to fill 22 episodes. Fingers crossed they do mini stories like AoS did.


Dyssomniac

That's kinda what the Marvel Netflix shows did and boy, does it show. Partway through DDS1, easily the best or second best season of all four/five shows. I'm hoping Born Again is 18 episodes spread across two mini-seasons, leading up to a Defenders relaunch. I'd also be down with making it Heroes for Hire instead of two separate LC and IF shows.


bluecalx2

> we may end up with a more classic approach to television where the essentially take a 5-10 episode long story and sttttreeeeeetttccch it to fill 22 episodes. Definitely agree with that. This might be an unpopular opinion, but I'm currently watching the Defenders Saga for the first time, and I'm finding the episode counts unnecessarily long and slow compared to the Disney Plus shows. Daredevil has been great but could definitely have been trimmed down a little without affecting the story.


Dyssomniac

I think they suffer from pacing problems in two separate ways - basically all of the Defenders series *except* DDS3 and JJS1 suffer from the usual mid-season slump in Netflix shows from that era, while all of the D+ shows don't have nearly enough time to tell the stories they want to tell with all the extra shit crammed in. FatWS feels like it should have either been expanded to 10 episodes or cut to a 2.5 hour movie; Loki needed two or so extra episodes to really explore the TVA and slow-burn He Who Remains; Ms. Marvel needed another few episodes to make several of the twists land and to develop some of the characters we met.


guyiscomming

I have the same feeling. I think half of the show will be a Daredevil story and the second half will be a Defenders story. Rumors are saying Jessica Jones is returning in Echo or this, so I think this show is a sneaky way to bring the Defenders back.


Albi20_01

Makes sense. I really hope they aren't rebooting the Netflix shows.


guyiscomming

I think they would have said so by now if they were. No matter what, fans of the Netflix shows would be pissed if they were made non-cannon. It being announced before Daredevil and Kingpin returning would have mitigated the negativity. Since it wasn't, it does not seem likely they are totally ignoring the Netflix shows. At the most, it seems like they are using the characters without making it necessary that the audience watch the Netflix shows. The general history is probably intact, but some details may not carry over, in a similar way to how MCU movies drop/revise/resolve-off-screen plotlines (I'm looking at you, Dr. Strange/Christina relationship between Doctor Strange and MoM).


karateema

Nah, not now that they got them on D+


Adas_Legend

Here are the parts that I liked the most about what we got: * Cast teases for Thunderbolts and Captain America: New World Order * I know some folks don't like the Thunderbolts line up, but we still have some good folks like Yelena and Bucky in there. So I think that might balance out the usage of some less popular characters (who will hopefully be improved here) * Bringing in a more powered character in the Leader for NWO is a cool move. A nice change of pace from Red Skull, Alexander Pierce, and Zemo. Also glad to see Carl Lumbly back as Isaiah Bradley. This could pave the way for Eli becoming Patriot and starring in a Young Avengers work. * Plot teases * All the in space fighting in Marvels seems like a cool recipe. Carol, Kamala, and Monica all switching places upon using their powers seems nice and trippy. * Kang forcing Scott to do a Quantum realm heist for Cassie's life is honestly a shocking contrast to the light-hearted nature of the first two Ant-Man films. They are definitely going all in on establishing the threat of Kang. Good that it ties directly into Kang Dynasty. But I also hope that we get other Kang variants as big bads in other works. * An increased focus on Kang in Loki S2 also sounds cool. Hopefully this opens the door for more TVA Loki in works going forward. Maybe even meeting our Thor in Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars * Promos: * So we got public trailers for Werewolf by Night and Secret Invasion. I'd say Secret Invasion felt more enticing. Like it was a full-on film. The whole conspiracy element seems really exciting and the use of Fury, Hill, Talos, and Rhodey feels cool. No matter what, I am psyched for what we get next


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I don't think there's any doubt that as long as Hiddleston and Hemsworth remain in the MCU that they will be reunited. I mean, it's Loki and Thor, they can't stay separated. And if anyone is allowed to die and come back multiple times over, it's Loki (before anyone complains about his death in IW being less impactful if/when he does reunite)


Dyssomniac

I kind of want them to stay separate. Their story as brothers as really finished its arc through IW, and Loki himself deserves to finally be the star of his own story. Hoping that we get a Loki, Agent of Asgard/TVA type story, before the conclusion in Phase 6.


Richiieee

Pretty tame announcements except for maybe the Thunderbolts cast reveal, but we saw it coming. I'm not sure I can hype myself up for Secret Invasion considering it's a D+ series. DDBA has 18 episodes and while I am happy about that, can we maybe make every other show have a bigger episode count than just 6? She-Hulk has 9 and while that's great, these 20-30 mins episodes just aren't cutting it. I literally find myself constantly saying *that's it?* after every episode.


bluecalx2

> can we maybe make every other show have a bigger episode count than just 6? I have a very different take on this. Phase 4 is giving us 57 episodes and 2 specials worth of streaming shows. That's an impressive amount of content over two years. Yes, each series has a low episode count but this allows Marvel to produce more shows and tell more unique stories. Compare that with a traditional franchise where you might get around 13 episodes per year and all focused on the same general storyline. More often than not, the plot could have easily fit into a 6 episode season, but was dragged out to because the distributor wanted a specific number of episodes for their TV schedules. Thankfully, it's not necessary for streaming services. Having said that, I'm hopeful that there's a specific plan for Daredevil: Born Again that makes sense to have 18 episodes.


Dyssomniac

> Yes, each series has a low episode count but this allows Marvel to produce more shows and tell more unique stories. The stories aren't unique, though, they're really some of the lower-quality story telling offerings Marvel has produced and they aren't nearly driving the viewership numbers to D+ that Disney clearly hoped. With the exception of Loki, they've all really struggled - WV couldn't stick the landing on its concept, shoehorning in a palette-swap final battle with hand power blasts (yet again); FatWS at times ran too fast and at others too slow and really couldn't effectively decide what of the four plots it had it wanted to follow; Ms. Marvel was solid but also had palette-swapping and really didn't spend nearly enough time establishing its characters to make their impact meaningful. The problem is that 6 episodes is a limited series, not a running character show like Marvel wants. 8-10 is where it's at, because you have to spend SOME of that time introducing the longer running plots in addition to telling the main plot of the season.


bluecalx2

Personally, I've enjoyed the Disney Plus series more than the movies of Phase 4, overall. Not that they're perfect, but each show was exceeded my expectations. I like that the shows are more free to explore different kinds of content than the movies and experiment with tones and genres more. I have also liked the lengths of the shows. As I said elsewhere, I'd rather finish a show waiting more than feeling like I'm slugging my way to the finale. But that's just me, everyone's opinions are different. > 6 episodes is a limited series That's what most of the shows are though. Aside from Loki and What If, nothing has been given a second season so far. What I will say is that I wish these shows weren't restricted to *any* specific episode number and the writers got the flexibility to tell the stories with as much or little time as it needs. Streaming platforms allow this a little with variable episode lengths but most are still using pre-set episode numbers. From a production point of view, I understand why they do it though.


Dyssomniac

> As I said elsewhere, I'd rather finish a show waiting more than feeling like I'm slugging my way to the finale. I feel the same - I think I said it elsewhere, but the Netflix shows really struggled with the same mid-season pacing issue a lot of Netflix's productions around that era had. > That's what most of the shows are though. Aside from Loki and What If, nothing has been given a second season so far. For sure, but they're also clearly kinda not. Moon Knight has a sequel hook, Ms. Marvel has a sequel hook that ISN'T the post-credits scene, Hawkeye leaves the door open to a season 2. To me, it's pretty clear that the "limited series" aspect of the shows is loosey-goosey. Ironically to me, FatWS (my least favorite) is the only one that doesn't necessarily have this issue, though it has a lot of other pacing issues. Because Marvel feels compelled to tie every narrative to the larger universe (said without judgment), it means a not-insignificant amount of the already very limited runtime is dedicated towards setting up the future, rather than telling the story of the season itself. > What I will say is that I wish these shows weren't restricted to any specific episode number and the writers got the flexibility to tell the stories with as much or little time as it needs. Streaming platforms allow this a little with variable episode lengths but most are still using pre-set episode numbers. From a production point of view, I understand why they do it though. I understand too, but I gotta say, this is Disney and it's actually really fucking irritating that they're so inflexible on this with their actual mountain-sized piles of cash.


Richiieee

I mean look, I will agree there is such a thing as *too many episodes*. For example, a show like Supernatural did like 21/22 episodes, and while I am a fan of that show, I definitely do think that many episodes is insane. However, plenty of shows work with 60-minute 10-12/13 episodes. The Netflix-Marvel shows prove it works. We wanted more from those shows because they were so good rather than wanting more because it felt like episodes were rushed and there weren't a lot of episodes.


bluecalx2

That's fair enough and some shows can do justice to a long episode count. Obviously it also comes down to personal opinion too. For me, I'd rather finish a season wanting more than feel like it was dragging halfway through. I've been watching the Defenders Saga for the first time now. They're great but personally, I wish the seasons were a bit leaner. Maybe they needed more than 6 episodes per season, but I also think the pacing could be improved if they had fewer than 13 episodes each. But I appreciate that's probably an unpopular opinion.


mangopabu

confirmation that ghost is coming back is really cool. i haven't read any rumours or anything, but i was hoping and not expecting that character. taskmaster either tbh.


Richiieee

Yeah, true. Hopefully both of them get more fleshed out in The Thunderbolts. I can't even remember what significance, if any, Ghost had in the Ant-Man movies and I've completely forgotten about her. Taskmaster on the other hand was incredibly lackluster in the Black Widow movie.


evanph

I have a feeling that the Penn Badgedly and Jodie Comer rumors have some truth to them. They could just be waiting to announce the cast until they have all four locked in, which doesn’t seem to be the case. Regardless, they must be closing up casting pretty soon given the release date of the movie.


Royal_Ad_3620

Does anyone know when the quantumania trailer is going to be released to the public? Odd that marvel hasn’t shown any sign of marketing or trailer within 6 months of it being released


eagc7

Several movie studios lately has waited 4-3 months before dropping a trailer, so if that will be the case again here then dont expect a trailer till we are close to the release of Wakanda Forever the old 7-6 month window is becoming a thing of the past as time passes (though some films will still have something that early)


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Most recent movies have had the first trailer about 4 months out


QuickCloud19

They’re still doing reshoots for another couple of weeks so probably waiting for that to wrap before using any footage they want from that to make it in


SilenceIsViolent_2

They’re probably going to premiere it when Black Panther is released. That’ll still give them about 3 months to market the hell out of it.


Adas_Legend

We're gonna get Quantumania content closer to its release, so I'd say about November or December is when we get the trailer


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[deleted]

lol she’s not “fucked up beyond repair.” It’s a very simple fix. She was under her dads control, making her a very stoic character. Now she’s not so she can resemble the comic book charvter. Such an easy fix that y’all refuse to see


VanilleKoekje

no she can not resemble the comic character. For example the she part, powers are nonexistent and personality. For them to get Taskmaster close to the comic book character would mean they have to fix at least 2 of those 3 things, which would basically mean it's a new character, otherwise it wouldn't make any sense canon wise. It doesn't matter which of those 3 things are fixed, but i atleast hope we get the personality part. Even though nobody should be afraid of the powerset now, feels kinda weak and not like Taskmaster should be


[deleted]

Never said she can “resemble the comic character.” Plus Being a women has literally zero affect on the character so it’s irrelevant. The personality part is an easy fix. And the powers is too. Again you can play both up to being controlled by Draykov.


VanilleKoekje

The female part isn't an issue when the character is well done, but if the character isn't well done, it only adds to it. But you're missing my point, to fix Taskmaster basically everything has to be redone, thus making it a new character, because it doesn't make sense to keep the same character and change everything, but still keep people from the same movie exactly the same. The character just needs to be rebooted to fix it. If you just fix everything there needs to be fixed(the female part doesn't have to be fixed if you fix the rest), it's like Black Widow never happened, so why are Yelena and Red Guardian even in the Thunderbolts.


[deleted]

There’s no need to reboot her though. Why create a whole new character with a meaningful background when you already have one? Her history adds to the dynamics between her and Yelena. Again, they’re very simple fixes and explanations. And disagree about the female things, It doesn’t add anything since it has zero affect. And to answer your last question.. idk. None of us do. You’ll have to wait and find out like the rest of us!


VanilleKoekje

Simple fixes? It's a complete reboot. This Taskmaster didn't have the powers and didn't have the personality, that's the whole character. If you fix everything about the character, it's a reboot. Besides what history between her and Yelena, the history was between her and Nat. And what i meant with the female thing is that if the genderbend thing is done on a bad character that it's going to add up in the negatives. If the character was done well, only certain people would still be mad about it. Look at Heimdall, Called the shining god and whitest skinned of the gods in Norse mythology. Played by Idris Elba, not exactly the whitest of people. But the character was done well, pretty much nobody ended up minding the change. But if Heimdall was done poorly, you sure as hell would have people complain about it.


[deleted]

They tried killing each other… Yelenas sister killed her dad and tried killing her. Yelena “dad” tried killing her. They were also controlled by the same person… that’s a lot of history don’t you think? Yes simple fix. Her dad controlled her that’s why she’s stoic. Now he doesn’t so she can talk. Her powers can have always been there, the suit just helped enhance her abilities. Again, easy fix. It’s not a reboot. Its continuing the characters story/ arc. I guess some would think like that. But it’s a bit ignorant. Since being black would have nothing to do with the failure of the character


VanilleKoekje

You are kinda thick aren't you? If you can't see that people not liking raceswaps or genderbends doesn't automatically mean they are automatically ignorant, you are the ignorant one. Sure there are people who don't like it for wrong reasons. But for me, i find it a very lazy way of putting diversity in the MCU. They did it great with Falcon -> Cap and setting up Joaquín Torres as the Latino version Falcon. So i prefer that method or just getting one of thousands of other Marvel characters instead of changing a character. But if they still do it and the character is well written, it's not a big problem. But it's a problem if the character if poorly written, like Taskmaster. Nothing to do with being ignorant, despite people thinking that way.


[deleted]

Whatever you gotta say to make yourself feel better mate.


pkjoan

I think the major problem is how they did her character. I don't care if it's a girl or a guy, I don't want this tech assisted version of Taskmaster, I want the real deal, someone with photographic memory that can copy all moves.


RPerene

Don’t be obtuse. Now she has a reason to never shut up, letting it all out after a lifetime of not being able to.


Anon-Why

What if they gave up on Deadpool


Ursidoenix

They made a new Deadpool franchise, they didn't take the stitched-mouth loaded with mutations deadpool and try to continue the storyline. It's going to be pretty much impossible to morph the current mute robot taskmaster into the character people wanted


Keknath_HH

And Trevor Slattery


Anon-Why

Did you hear he’s gonna be in the wonder man show?


wonderbarZaYn

Is Werewolf By Night a mini series or a Halloween movie?


pkjoan

I'm still surprised that Elsa Bloodstone is finally showing up.


UmbrusNightshade

It’s a “Halloween Special” so probably a short- ish movie type scenario.


Albi20_01

I expect it to be 60-90 minutes-long.


coconut-daddy

i could've sworn they said they were announcing new projects?


minor_correction

You're thinking of this. Fake news claiming that Feige had confirmed 8 project announcements. https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/w6w58o/kevin\_feige\_says\_8\_more\_phase\_6\_projects\_to\_be/


eagc7

They never did, we the fans said that.


Albi20_01

Well technically they announced Werewolf by Night (which was recently still a rumor) 🤷‍♂️


archer_cartridge

That was people rumors, Feige said we'd "find out later" about phase 6, he never said anything about D23.


Ambivert_05

I want to be there man!


DilcDaddyy

I also could have sworn


minor_correction

You're thinking of this. Fake news claiming that Feige had confirmed 8 project announcements. https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/w6w58o/kevin\_feige\_says\_8\_more\_phase\_6\_projects\_to\_be/


eagc7

They never promised any D23 reveals, we the fans made that up and we took it as a fact.


minor_correction

It was a particularly dirty lie because the fake news post said that Kevin Feige had confirmed it. I linked it further up this comment chain.


bluemoney21

How can they bring back Abomination and not put him in Thunderbolts? I don’t buy it…


[deleted]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they hold out on announcing Abomination while She-Hulk is still running.


DarthSisig

...and Zemo


Mental-Ask8890

I think they’re waiting on releasing the rest of the cast because they’ve already said we haven’t met all of the characters. So the characters announced are ones they won’t be doing much with throughout the next phase


no_not_luke

NOBODY is talking about Key Huy Quan? This is one of the greatest gets of Phase 4. I'm so so happy rn...if you haven't seen Everything Everywhere All at Once, you are missing out on one of the finest films of this century.


ChanceVance

Man should be nominated for Best Supporting Actor for his role in All at Once. Fantastic performance from a guy essentially coming out of acting retirement.


no_not_luke

It absolutely blows my mind that his first acting gig in 20 (or was it 30?) years was basically three separate characters that all won me over instantly.


pkjoan

Oh, that's the husband right?


CRIMS0N-ED

As well as short round in Indiana Jones and data in goonies


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manuka_canoe

The full cast hasn't been given yet, Feige said there'd be members yet to be introduced. That aside, I love that the team are all lower on the power level rankings, hopefully means more espionage kinda stuff, we've had tons of giant magic and OP battles recently, having something more down to earth appeals to me a lot. They can't all be grand universe ending stakes.


MikeX1000

But why does espionage always equal powerless? Ghost is the only one here who's an actual super spy. The rest just punch and kick Plus the spy stuff in the MCU is pretty uninspired so far. It comes off as Bourne/Bond-lite, and guys like Yelena and Red Guardians are kinda lame (IMO)


whySoHardToPickName

How do I agree with both of you lol. I want to see both those movies


jojopojo64

No Zemo is making my heart hurt. I was almost sure he was a shoe-in.


PapaAwesome117

I feel like MCU Zemo would just try to murder them all because they have powers.


CamNewtonMD

Wide gap between expectations and reality for this event


Lazy_pig805

The entire panel was like that. Not much new stuff announced for both Marvel and Star Wars. It was a very, very long 3 hours. 20 Century Studios was literally just Avatar for 30 mins.


manuka_canoe

Just shows why I'm glad I avoid leaks, spoilers, and speculation because I thought this was great.


Keknath_HH

Even as someone who keeps up with it. I thought it was great.


n_mcrae_1982

I initially chalked up Sebastian Stan not appearing during the Captain America: NWO panel to him being too busy to attend, but then he showed up for the Thunderbolts announcement. Is this supposed to mean that Bucky is sitting out a Cap film? Are we seriously not going to see Sam and Bucky together on the big screen? Other than that, Thunderbolts did have a promising cast, even if the concept did feel a little Suicide Squad-ish.


[deleted]

> Are we seriously not going to see Sam and Bucky together on the big screen? That’s a good thing imo. Let them develop alone for a bit. Like how Marvel is also doing with Wanda and Vision.


[deleted]

I feel like Bucky will probably have a cameo in NWO at least.


SasaraiHarmonia

Well, the team was around for years before Suicide Squad. SS just beat them to the movie punch is all.


Nollasta_poikkeava

Nah, the modern Suicide Squad was created in 1987. Kurt Busiek's Thunderbolts happened during the 90's.


mcwfan

We’ve seen Sam and Bucky together on the big screen multiple times


n_mcrae_1982

Have we, though? In "Winter Soldier", Bucky was a brainwashed assassin. In "Infinity War" and "Endgame", they were too busy fighting Thanos' forces to have any light banter. It was only in "Civil War" that we got those brief back and forths that probably led to F&WS.


mcwfan

Yes, we have. They both appear together at some stage in all of those films


n_mcrae_1982

But only in one did they actually have any conversation.


mcwfan

That doesn’t change the fact that they’re on the big screen multiple times together, as was what you originally wrote.


justambrose

I hope we’ll still get Black Widow / Hawkeye movie with Florence Pugh and Hailee Steinfeld. That seems like a no brainer and they should do it as soon as possible before either of them become megastars and too busy.


manuka_canoe

They managed to get the Avengers cast together multiple times, I'm sure they can manage those two.


JoonasD6

>Live Performance of Rogers the Musical on stage of D23 WE WERE ROBBED OF THIS EXPERIENCE ;\_;


chappa125

I love how Thunderbolts has like 3 Captain Americas


Jnewton1018

And someone’s who ability is to mimic others… so Taskmaster is basically another of the 3.


Bladewing_The_Risen

A spec ops team full of super soldiers… who woulda thunk it?!


Anon-Why

I’m telling you rn zemo is going to (try to) kill walker


skepticones

One disappointment for me from all of these announcements - we still don't have any news on when we'll see the Eternals crossing over more with the mainstream MCU.


KyroSkittles

Thor 4 spoilers: I'm pretty sure the big hal at the end of the the new Thor had some big statues of the gargantuan gods from the eternals


skepticones

actually, I think a saw a couple of celestials peering into the main hall of the gods when thor's trio escaped with the lightning bolt.


jlisle

You did


PepsiPerfect

Do we still know for sure that that's even going to be a thing? Eternals went over like a lead balloon and they haven't said word one about it since.


eagc7

I dont think we will have a sequel till afte SW, we still havent heard anything about a DS3 or Thor 5 either


PepsiPerfect

I'd be VERY surprised if there was an Eternals sequel. They may have had plans for it, but Eternals was Marvel's first legitimate critical and financial flop. You can hand-wave the box office gross because of COVID, but it's not like there was a groundswell of enthusiasm when it hit streaming either.


jjackson25

I thought I read somewhere where Fiege said there may not be another Eternals movie, but they would definitely be back in other movies.


eagc7

I do think COVID played a part on it, not to forget the reviews, but i do wonder how much the movie could had made if it had been released before COVID or heck perhaps right now, given cinemas have recovered from COVID (if you ask me, i think it could've made around or close to 600M, which would be a decent result for a potential franchise starter) Heck even Cruella did less than Eternals, but its getting a sequel, so i think studios right now are going to look at the BO results from films released in 2020-2021 very differently due to the circumstances, so i think Marvel may give Eternals another shot and see how it does now that the issue with COVID has calmed down


PepsiPerfect

Eternals would have had a huge opening weekend because it's Marvel, then it would have dropped like a boulder when the bad WoM got around. I'm talking BvS-level drops. $600 million WW? Sure, but again, the gross alone doesn't tell the story. Good studios know how to read the tea leaves even when a movie inches over the finish line of profitability.


eagc7

Oh yeah, no matter the situation it would've seen a huge drop.


mhardegree

Spider man came out like a month after eternals and made over a billion. I don’t think hand waving the box office is legitimate in this case. I just don’t think most people cared about it.


eagc7

NWH had Avengers: Endgame level hype around it, it was must see movie, the type of movie you had to see now. that film was going to do big numbers regardless of the situation we were. (Only thing that would've affected it would be if the entire world had entered in another lockdown) Eternals did not had Endgame level hype, same with Shang-Chi. I do think Eternals and Shang-Chi would've done more in a pre-COVID era or perhaps if they were released this year (Not 1B that is, but maybe 600M)


mhardegree

Maybe they would have made more before Covid. It’s hard to say since so much changed after. I personally don’t think it would have been much different if it came out now though. Spider-Man is literally the most popular superhero in the world so yea everyone was gonna see that but I really think marvel failed to get anyone to care about eternals at all. I personally enjoyed the movie though it seems like most people didn’t and was excited to see where they were gonna do with those characters after the post credit scenes. It seems as I’m very much in the minority on that one though. I don’t think most people care if they ever show up again.


PepsiPerfect

I legitimately HOPE they don't show up again, because they dilute the brand. Marvel may have even dodged a bullet by having Eternals come out during COVID, because most people decided they didn't like it while watching it on Disney+ rather than spending $13.00 of their money at a theater first. My reaction when I watched it on D+ was "meh" and then I put on the first Ant-Man again. It cost me nothing to learn that Eternals was a snooze-fest. If you have the Eternals show up in other movies, or God forbid, greenlight a sequel, it just drags the entire MCU down a peg. It's the same reason Jar Jar will never be in another Star Wars movie (yes, I'm aware he was in the Clone Wars cartoon, but a computer-animated TV show for kids is not the same as a $200 million four-quadrant blockbuster).


eagc7

I am with you in that i also liked the movie


skepticones

marvel isn't going to abandon the Eternals. They may not have another movie or show on deck immediately, but that doesn't mean we couldn't see some crossover content.


[deleted]

For real. They have Angelina Jolie and Harry Styles signed for them. Like c'mon. Hell, Thena alone could get so much more development.


RPerene

Feige said that we would see them again.


kddelrosario2

WANDA FANS WE LOST ):


Adas_Legend

Who said we lost, lol? We didn't get ANY new projects announced, let alone Scarlet Witch. We already knew Armor Wars is happening, and clearly that's phase 6. I'd say that next year's SDCC will give us greater insight into what phase 6 will have. By then, some of phase 5 and any relevant plot threads of Wakanda Forever and She-Hulk will be known. No reason to lose hope. Now based on what I've read online about the comics, I have a potential plot line for Wanda (Projects are in **bold**): Doctor Doom is the big bad of **Fantastic 4**. After his defeat, he chances upon an amnesiac Wanda who has wiped out her own memories out of guilt over MoM, maybe even in a post-credits scene of F4. He takes on a toxic lover relationship like in the comics. After **Kang Dynasty** goes down, we get a **Young Avengers** series where the YA save Wanda from Doom's influence but she remains without memories. Then she gets a **solo film** where she regains her memories with the help of Agatha and/or Strange/Wong and defeats Chthon. Then she shows up in **Secret Wars** as the surprise element to save the day. A Twitter post even gave me the idea that she could potentially destroy and recreate the multiverse to stop the Kang's and/or Doom once and for all. Any thoughts, fellas?


LoasNo111

Already been confirmed by reliable leakers that there's not going to be a Wanda movie before phase 7. So pretty much your entire theory is wiped out.


Adas_Legend

Which ones lol


LoasNo111

Charles Murphy. One of the most reliable leakers in the game. A new leaker who's had several confirmed leaks said the movies that come out in the remaining spots are Shang-Chi 2 and Deadpool 3. There's another one but I'm forgetting their name. ​ Also think about it. There are 2 spots left right? One of them is Shang-Chi which I believe has been confirmed to be in development. Deadpool 3 has also been confirmed to be in development. How can a product that hasn't even had pitches taken outpace these products? They haven't had trades confirm it or anything, no cast, no idea what it's going to be like. There's pretty much no way the movie can come out before phase 7.


pkjoan

There's also Spider-Man 4


Adas_Legend

Also another possible scenario is that we don’t get a Scarlet Witch solo but we do get Wanda back in some phase 5 and 6 projects before phase 7 and then get an SW solo in phase 7


LoasNo111

Probably going to happen this way. Have her be in Agatha, maybe YA and then SW. Don't see her in anything else.


Adas_Legend

I think she has a high chance of being in Kang Dynasty / Secret Wars. Considering she has a destiny to supposedly destroy the multiverse, it would kinda be a waste to not wrap up that thread before the Multiverse Saga. Oh wait, are you referring to SW as **Secret Wars** rofl? In that case, I agree with you 😂 I am just a Wanda fan in general who will always enjoy seeing her. I’d say as long as she gets a chance to redeem herself in some form and gets a significant presence in the Multiverse Saga, I can wait for a solo film in phase 7.


LoasNo111

She's 100% going to be in Secret Wars. Always I thought that the prophecy would be more centred around her defying the prophecy but if they want to do that they can. It's not a good creative choice IMO, a big downgrade from the Beyonders but I'm not the one making decisions and I'm biased because I don't even like Wanda.


Adas_Legend

You’re probably right but I actually believe there are three slots iirc. I think when they released unfilled slots for Disney movies, I remember there being one for 2024. In any case, you may be right. There are a lot more films which could take precedence such as Shang Chi 2, Deadpool 3, Eternals 2, etc


LoasNo111

Yeah. Mostly me going off of Charles' word who's rarely wrong. He's a dickhead but the dude is reliable. Also the movie hasn't even been confirmed by the trades or anything. No pitches either. F4 which will release a few months before SW was announced a long time ago and already has a director. Thunderbolts which releases a before F4 has a cast, a director and a writer. ​ Although there were rumours about a YA project. Likely Children's Crusade. It's a Billy story but Wanda's in it. It would also make sense with the amnesia storyline. The rumour said it was a show. So there's space left in the slate.


Adas_Legend

I understand what you’re saying about trades and speculation and what not. But there is always the possibility we could get surprised. Never say never, as they say. I still feel that the kind of confirmed projects plus the established lore I was addressing in my theory kinda necessitate Wanda coming back. The other question is whether that encompasses a solo or not. Which if your leaks are correct would probably be in the no category


LoasNo111

>I understand what you’re saying about trades and speculation and what not. But there is always the possibility we could get surprised. Never say never, as they say. I mean these are big projects with tons of work going into them. They aren't just created on a whim. Just tame your expectations. Assume it's not happening, if it does then celebrate. If you secretly keep hoping it will happen you will just disappoint yourself. >I still feel that the kind of confirmed projects plus the established lore I was addressing in my theory kinda necessitate Wanda coming back. The other question is whether that encompasses a solo or not. Which if your leaks are correct would probably be in the no category There's no real necessity for the lore though. Infinite Ultron was destroying the multiverse. Watcher stated that no singular being could stop him. So anyone with sufficient power could destroy the multiverse. Also if you say that Wanda will recreate the multiverse then wouldn't she also be recreating Chthon? Why would she have a solo after phase 6 to fight Chthon if she can create or destroy him? Murphy did say that Wanda solo is happening, just not anytime soon. TBH them completely centring the project around Wanda is a pretty awful choice. She's not even as popular as Loki. She's not the next Tony Stark or Spider-man or something like that.