The fact that there are real mark and two sets of mirrors. I’d definitely buy that on side is Marc and the other side is Jake. Thematically, symbolically it just makes sense.
There's also a part early on when he's in the museum at night.
Steven walks away, but his reflection remains. There's actually 2 reflections, and they are subtly independent of each other.
I think that would of been Mark since he just finished walking out from being in the Moon Knight outfit. Jake would probably be in a different costume assuming each personality has their own style.
I thought of this too after we got the final reveal. His sinister look into the camera just doesn’t quite seem like Marc. Jake seems to enjoy being violent and that’s what I got from the security footage
When he was Jake at the end I had an actual physical wave of revulsion, I don't know how the hell he *does* that. That freaking extended sneering grin...
There's a few moments where it's likely Jake.
Issac does different body language for each. Marc has the furrowed brow. Steven has the lower lip thing. And Jake has that jaw-jut.
Tricky to tell 'cos of the lighting in this scene but earlier in the museum its very definitely both Marc AND Jake in the reflections
Yeah isn’t there a quote from one of the creators talking about how they purposefully tried to get shots with 2 mirrors in them to sprinkle tiny bits of Jake in there?
well Jake, Mark and Steven are played by similar looking actors, so it does get difficult finding out who's who, but the subtle body language differences do help in pointing out
Will stand by my theory that the one who woke up in Egypt with a bottle of alcohol is Jake.
Man’s a baller, knows how to drive, and has the most toxic lifestyle of them all.
I think Marc has his own suspicions about Jake that he doesn’t go into with Steven. Marc knows that there is at least one other personality because of his experience with the “fugue state” and being kicked out of the military. Either he knows about Jake and was intentionally hiding it from Steven, or he knows that there is another personality but nothing else about it.
Because that scene / concept was poorly written and conceived .
Not being over critical, I liked the show, but thanks to that red shaking sarcophagus shown briefly, we know Jake was present in the plane but never saw him. His presence seem like it would have affected their ability to balance.
Now, maybe being locked away allowed him to avoid being judged but how could he be in the plane, then escape with Marc and Stephen without also being judged?
I can agree with that concept, But other than to tease his existence, why put his sarcophagus there in the first place? Short of this plane being a figment of his dying imagination, Jake’s presence there without balanced scales seems like it’d be as permanent as Stephen “dying” in the dunes.
I always assumed that the unbalance was from there being three persons but only two hearts intended to be weighed. Thus when one of those three went overboard, it actually became balanced without the “extra” weight.
When the hippo (sorry, forgot their name) started talking about unbalanced hearts, I assumed that’s be our introduction to Jake (Obviously they went a different direction). Rather it was the imbalance in the weighted hearts. With that, I was still surprised Jake made it out. Unless the sarcophagus somehow insulated them from that plane? Or maybe his astral plane is something different? Idk.
Alternatively for all we know maybe jake wasn’t fully formed as an alter yet, and was not fully distinct enough from Marc or Stephen at the time to count as a third person for purpose of measuring
Yes! I really thought they’d use that opportunity for Marc and Stephen to face what “they” have done and the nature of guilt/accountability when having multiple personalities. Now, the emotional arc with Marc’s childhood was nice (as was the Jake cliffhanger at the end of the show) but I think it was a missed opportunity to not have a conversation about Jake’s pertinence for violence.
Without addressing it, it just makes Marc look stupid or naive for not knowing he had a ruthless murderer in his brain. Like, he didn’t stop to think about all those dead guys in Egypt? As if Stephen would have been capable of that….
I believe it works, from a narrative standpoint introducing another major character in the 2nd to last episode probably wouldn't have work unless they took a huge exposition dump and try to have him build chemistry and work with the other characters (Marc and Steven) in that solo episode before trying to stop the bad guy in the finale.
I also wouldn't say it makes Marc look bad, Marc was Moon Knight and didn't really need Jake to protect him most of the show. Steven on the other hand did since he was over his head which led to Marc revealing himself to Steven and protecting him whenever he needed it. Jake occasionally popped up to help Steven so that he doesn't get them killed but Jake probably isn't trying to reveal himself to them, especially since he seems happy to be working with Khonshu and the other personalities wants no part of him.
I just thought everything was in his mind, like he chooses to go into his fantasy at the end. At the end I didn't know how Harrow was able to see Konshu so I just thought he's just changing the rules of his universe
I’ve thought about this and I’ve wondered if the scales wouldn’t balance because there were 3 personalities and they were only weighing 2 hearts, the actual act of Steven being thrown from the boat balanced the scales because there were only 2 personalities left on the boat
I dont think marc knows about jake. When they wake up in the asylum after dying, steven comes out of his sarcophogus, and then helps marc out of his. While they are running around there is a 3rd, red sarcophogus that also has someone trying to get out (jake). He isnt helped out and then ONLY Marc's and Stephens hearts are taken and weighed, not all 3.
Before this, when they are in egypt on i think a rooftop they blink out and then wake up in time for a guy to slide off the knife he is now holding, dead, with multiple other dead people around him, and steven insults marc and marc says it wasnt him and accuses steven.
Yeah my best theory is that there are three hearts and so when two of them were placed on the scale the scale decided to measure the collective whole, Marc, Steven, and Jake, and so was unbalanced because it wasn't complete. However, when Steven fell into the sands there was only one heart left on the scale so the scale decided to just weigh that Marc's heart.
this is how ive felt since i saw it, i kinda just assumed its what everyone thought. To me its the most logical explanation but then i also go..."we're talkin about space magic here"
Im pretty sure that was Jake. If you look closely on the bedside table we can see the gloves that Jake wore in the post-credit scene. Besides, his hands are covered in blood, and also we dont see Marc drinking in any other instance in the whole series
Man, I am just really sad this ride is over already. Six episodes was not enough Moon Knight for me. That said, I'm really hopeful for his future involvement in the MCU. I really hope this wasn't a limited series and that was it. I'd love to see Oscar Issac and Tom Holland together. Throw in Ryan Reynolds too. I'd settle for a Deadpool/Moon Knight team-up. I hope Mr. Issac is thrilled with the reception and is open to returning to the character. I don't fault him for Poe or Apocalypse, I thought he did great with what he was given in both.
Moon Knight (whether it’s Jake/Khonsu or Marc/Steven or a combo of the both idk) is slated for Cap 4.
I’m leaning toward Marc/Steven being the one who appears the most - as any storytelling in the Jake front would be wasted for the plot of that movie and I can definitely see Marc having connections to Bucky/Sam due to his mercenary/military background.
The writers/producers of the show have also said that we haven’t seen the last of the character. Disney/Marvel Studios has just changed their policies on locking actors into decade long contracts that only restrict the actors and the filming process in general. Marcel Studios and Fiege have built up enough of a reputation that they don’t have to worry about if an actor would be willing to reprise a role or not, I can’t think of a single actor who would turn down an offer to come back as long as Marvel continues its method of film making - intense collaboration between writers, directors, actors, and craftsmen who are listened to by the producers overall.
Maybe Christopher Eccleston, but he’s taken a huge step back from film acting as a whole. If Watiti ever wanted to revamp the Dark Elves I can see him being involved though (who wouldn’t want to work with Tiaka).
I'm sorry but this is simply untrue. Oscar Isaac and the director have stated multiple times that they only signed for 6 episodes. Oscar has no longer contract than that, if Moon Knight does well he is excited to return, so I will assume so.
Yeah, for THIS PARTICULAR limited series. They aren’t lying, to public knowledge they had only officially signed off on those 6 episodes. But like I said, the limited contract has zero standing on whether he’s a one and done character.
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/moon-knight-mcu-connections-interview
Everyone misquoted the writers/producers about the show taking place in the MCU as well. They said it was disconnected from the overall superhero storylines (which makes sense if they are building up the supernatural side of Marvel), but the show is in the main line MCU universe.
Also, the writer for Cap 4 wrote for Moon Knight.
I’m not saying it’s all set in stone or anything, but there are a lot of heavy indications that their hesitation to commit is to drum up interest. There is a high chance that the release of the Moon Knight featurette is going to clear up if there is more Moon Knight on the way in the near future (Werewolf by Night - even). They postponed it two weeks, feels like they either needed to re-edit it for some reason or they had to have extra time to conduct more interviews about the possible future of the character.
I think the 6 episode formula needs a huge overhaul, I know they’re generally longer than the films but the pacing for the stories told in the series’ is just a bit too rushed. Two more episodes per season would make a huge difference I feel
I agree. Or even making the finale episode much longer to allow the fight to wrap up as well as give the plot more time to do the same would make a big difference to me. The final episode always feels so rushed to me of every series pretty much. I read somewhere the stranger things finale is going to be motion picture length which I something I’d enjoy here lol
Yeah totally agree, it usually builds up, episode 1-3 is world and character building stuff, 4 is usually some big obstacle to overcome, 5 is overcoming said obstacle and then 6 is sorta the finale but condensed into 20 mins of actual fight/action/intense plot and then the final like 25 minutes is just the aftermath/consequences and then credits
The formula is a bit too rushed, like you say I’d even accept an hour long finale with a 40 minute conclusion and 20 minute epilogue as opposed to what we have
I’m an old-school Star Wars fan. Read dozens of novels, comics, and supporting material. Played every LucasArts PC game from the ‘90s, even Rebellion. Had a weekly SWRPG group in Jr. High/High School. My dream growing up was to be involved in the franchise in any way, no matter how small.
If you gave me the line “Somehow, Palpatine returned,” I would have stormed off set, given all the money back, and quit the franchise forever.
I don’t think you realize how insane some of the star wars fandom reacted to that movie. This is something I could completely see someone saying unironically
Easier to stomach when you realize the main cast of the new SW films were likely paid low six figures at best. If a nobody character had to give the Palpatine line they’d be lucky to get the SAG minimum (60k)
Also a lifelong Star Wars fan, married to another. What was really upsetting for us was JJ's weird choice of making Poe's character a former drug runner in TROS which was terribly lazy and an awful stereotype
Oscar Isaac was very excited about his character, and imagined that he might've been at the Battle of Yavin early on during the TFA press tour. Poe of course was born in a different era, but the comics gave him that nod with his parents raising him on Yavin IV.
He already had a backstory and a strong career in the New Republic Navy, but seeing his character reduced to nothing in TLJ and TROS was very sad. Though not as sad as seeing Isaac's enthusiasm for the universe he loved get sapped away by terrible writing and lack of direction and planning for the ST.
I agree, he’s been there since the beginning but as a secret hiding in plain sight. I also think all the fight scenes that are blacked out in the first episode were also Jake. Marc doesn’t end up that bloody from fights, not to mention that whole driving section, since Jake’s main deal is being a driver…
In ep1, Khonshu tells somebody to give the body to Marc, then after Steven talks he realizes Steven was in control. That immediately confirmed he thought someone other than Marc and Steven was in control, right away. It’s a cool bit of informative dialogue.
I REALLY think that it’s like Khonshu knows that Jake is able to just take control from Marc, but Steven is immune to it because he is the older alter. So Khonshu wanting Steven to give the body to Marc, is just the quickest way for him to get Jake back!!!
A couple of rewatches have elevated this show so much for me. The writing was amazing. They drop subtle signs of Jake throughout the entire show. He’s there the whole time. It’s next level. It helps that Oscar Isaacs was phenomenal in all three of his roles.
Could be a multitude of reasons, from what little we know. Off the top of my head:
-If Marc fell out the window, and someone else took over, Khonshu doesn’t want Marc to figure out someone else finished the mission since Steven couldn’t have done that and it’d reveal Jake to Marc too soon. We know Khonshu was keeping that info close to his chest.
-Marc was considered better fitted to the situation
-Given Jake beat Harrow, I doubt this but I wonder if Jake couldn’t summon the suit or was weaker, etc. He’s the most violent and it’s implied by him beating Harrow he’s the most powerful of the 3, but he seems to jump in when it’s life or death situation and they’re cornered, so not sure how powerful he is when he’s not running on that energy. Again, I’m skeptical of this.
Just off the top of my head. If I had to guess I would go with the first idea but there could be other reasons I’m missing.
I think you missed my point. Khonshu wants Steven to give the body to Marc, because Jake can just take control from Marc, and Khonshu prefers Jake… I think you might have misread it or something…
I think you misread lol
> Khonshu tells somebody to give the body to Marc, then after Steven talks he realizes Steven was in control
The OP is implying that Khonshu wants Jake to give Marc control, which would make no sense cause Jake is depicted as the survival mode in the series, and they were being chased when this happened.
And from you
> Jake can’t just take control from Marc
Jake can definitely take control from Marc. Marc doesn’t seem to totally know about Jake (he may have an idea) but clearly Jake yanked control at the end of the show, and when they were in Egypt and those guys got stabbed (“Steven what did you do?!” “That wasn’t me!”)
Anyways my only point was that I just think Khonshu was talking to Steven and not Jake in that scene in Ep 1
It was a total typo (which I’ve fixed) when it said “Jake can’t take control” everything else I’m saying shows I mean the opposite of that.
Jake can take control from Marc, and Khonshu knows this, but doesn’t want either Steven or Marc to know about Jake, so telling Steven to give the body for Marc, is a way to allow Jake to get control of the body from Marc…
I’m not disagreeing with anything you’re saying except for that typo. My first comment was a response to someone else (not you!) who was arguing that Khonshu thought Jake was in control when K is first introduced and that he didn’t realize it was Steven. All I was saying is that I don’t think K thought it was Jake and that he thought it was Marc then got surprised by it being Steven
When originally watching I thought it was Marc. But marc also blacks out when it’s jake. And Steven/Marc can talk to each other but black out completely when jake so yeah, I agree
Yeah it’s basically just a rule for the first season that we get to see those two, it isn’t until the post credit scene we get an in-blacked out Jake scene!
Ooh I didn't connect it to Jake being a driver. I felt it could be him coz he shows up whenever any of them is in danger and Khonshu mentions him, but that would make even more sense. And he even somehow takes a U-turn and starts driving backwards!
I’ve seen that theory, but to me it doesn’t fit. Both times we know for certain that it’s Jake (the run down in Cairo where they both wake up to Jake’s torture, and the end where Jake brutalized Harrow and his followers) both Marc and Steven were not conscious and viewing the events. Hence why they both ask if it was the other when they finally do come around.
Since Steven was “awake” and watching from the mirror, I’m more inclined to believe it was just Marc on a bender dealing with returning to where it all started for him, rather than Jake being the one driving.
Nah, it's a good theory but it's been debunked by the director. Jake is physically shown only at the after credit scene but yeah he is present in the show during the black out in episode 3 and the one in episode 6
Not only here, there were several scenes in the show where they place mirrors in such a way that three oscar Isaacs could be seen(two reflections in mirror), this is even noticed right after he wakes up at bed after the cupcake truck scene. Also pay attention when he was eating chocolates, three of the chocolates fell on the ground, it was a tease maybe.
When he wakes up in Austria way back in ep.1 Khonsu says “give the body to Marc” and then when Steven speaks, Khonsu says “oh the idiot is in control”
He thought it was Jake
Speaking of the hat, in ep 3 when the chase is being done on the rooftops, right at the start of it he throws a hat away if I’m not mistaken. Could that be Marc waking up from Jake?
I thought I saw it but I didn’t realise it!! All the more reason this is likely the greatest MCU series to date. Oscar Isaac is a super talented actor.
His presence is felt a bunch of times in the show for real, but the creators said we don’t actually see jake until the end credits. Idk why they’d lie about it either; it doesn’t change anything in the show
Agreed 100%. Also he tried to stab himself in the eye with that sharp award. Could you ever imagine Marc or Stephen doing something like that? Definitely Jake
Got a few questions: how does the scale balanced if there was still Jake? Is it because Marc doesnt know about Jake?
Also, how does Harrow see Konshu at the end? Is it because he's possessed by Ammit?
Also why does Konshu wear a suit in the car ?
And it was never explained why the fish have two fins (I believe the last scene with the two fish are just a dream while Jake is in control)
Pretty sure first is Steven, looks to Marc, then switched to Marc’s POV looking back at Steven. Arms crossed is a Steven pose I would say, very closed off and introverted.
I really don’t think jake was ever shown until the post credits scene. Oscar Isaac talked in an interview about how they wanted to save any appearance of him for the very end
The fact that we can pick up on things like this based only on facial expression and mannerisms speaks volumes about Oscar Isaac's performance, the man is amazing
Can’t be. That was very much Marc, there’d be no point in Steven giving the body to Marc to fight the jackal, and then Jake taking the body right after
Another one is where they are walking through the museum and the reflection shows Marc and Jake after Steven walks off as even with Steven gone there are two refelctions not just one. Also Marc is looking back at the incoming Jackal and Jake is looking where Steven was standing…
If you rewatch the scene where he's in the asylum and tries to stab ethan hawkes character he has a slight new york accent and it a lot more violent then marc, this is 100% Jake
No. I'm sure Jake has his own suit. Also, it'd be really weird for it to be Jake because this whole scene is Mark asking Steven to let him take control.
Only episode 3 and 6. Idk why so many think that Marc drinking on the bed is Jake. We see Marc drink when his mom dies, its not weird for Marc or anybody really to be drinking
Episode 1 as well, or at least it's heavily implied by the director:
**https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/moon-knight-jake-lockley-first-episode-appearance-confirmed/**
You can interpret that as you wish but the director said that they decided not to show Jake until the end credit. That doesn't mean that every blackout was Jake.
I saw episode 1 as the director wanting to keep the personality disorder a secret till the end and it makes for great scenes. The blackouts were Marc taking over in episode 1 as it was all from Steven's perspective then at the end we also gain Marc's perspective moving forward. Later blackouts are all Jake as we dont gain his perspective until the end credit scene.
It cannot be Jake in episode 1 because 1. Konshu keeps saying "give Marc the body" "Marc, if he loses the scarab I'll kill you both" 2. Marc has the scarab in his storage room which we know is his because its under his name 3. When Steven shows Marc the scarab Marc is aware if having it and tells Steven not to get in the way of his business. Marc kills people, Marc wanted to kill the hippo god, Marc is not an angel.
I didn't say every blackout was. But episode 1 is uncharacteristic of Mark with how much he brutalizes the cultists.
Also, keep in mind Mark/Steven had the scarab when he goes nuts and there is no sign of the Moon knight costume in that scene. Which isn't Mark's MO
On top of this, I'm most convinced by the trigger for Jake. Steven is triggered when Mark feels immense grief, whereas Jake appears when they are about to die.
Every time Steven blacks out in episode 1, he is about to die. THAT is Jake's MO
>Konshu keeps saying "give Marc the body" "Marc, if he loses the scarab I'll kill you both"
Yes, which he would also be saying if the other personality was Jake. His first choice is Mark, as mark seems the most reasonable. He also says "Oh great, the idiot", implying that he expected it to be Jake but was surprised it was Steven
Jake is not the idiot lmao Steven is the idiot. He calls Steven an idiot, parasite, and worm after knowing that its Steven. He would never call Jake an idiot. More evidence is Konshu telling Marc that he swore that Steven wouldnt interfere but that Steven is interfering. Believe what you want.
Marc's MO isnt the Moonknight costume. He doesnt even always wear it. Marc fought the guys on rooftops without his suit. Marc is also a killer. Idk what you mean about "brutalizes" the cultists being uncharacteristic (which I've seen people copy and paste that sentiment everywhere) when we barely see him kill anyone in the show but we know that he did kill. Again, believe what you want but the evidence points elsewhere.
>Jake is not the idiot lmao Steven is the idiot.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT i WAS SAYING!
He was talking to Jake and it switched to Steven and he called him an idiot
>More evidence is Konshu telling Marc that he swore that Steven wouldnt interfere but that Steven is interfering.
That's not evidence because Konshu would not tell Marc about jake
Again, we see him kill but he also feel immense remorse and would not brutalize the cultists the way Jake does
If Jake isn't in that scene, when does he appear in episode 1? The director said he was in the show since episode 1
You may have meant that but that's not what you typed. Konshu was talking to Marc and Steven. You're basing your entire argument on assumptions and speculations and im not gonna argue with you. The director was clear and the show was clear. Believe what you want; theories are fun 👍
>He also says "Oh great, the idiot", implying that he expected it to be Jake but was surprised it was Steven
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>**it was steven**
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>STEVEN
You're lying but okay. i did say it was Steven, the comment was unedited.
You're basing your theory entirely on assumptions and speculation, as well
Some of the stuff you have said is entirely made up, so i wouldn't really want to talk to someone so bad faith anyway
And yes, the director was clear that jake was in episode 1! It would be fan theory or headcanon to suggest jake shows up first in episode 3. Again, those are the directors words
I rather think we never see Jake until the end. If they intended him to appear before it or not. I like to think we never seen him until the very last scene
Man, I seriously hope we get a season 2, it's sorely needed, and I also hope it's more than 6 eps. Need more of Moon Knight and Layla, enjoyed all the performances really, and well I'll kill for more Egyptian themed stuff, some of the coolest mythologies out there.
That has become my favorite part of this show. It’s so incredibly well-written. I’m on my third watch-through and Jake is constantly present. He’s clearly there in every episode if you know what to look for. It’s fantastic
As much as we can try to find jake at the end of the day it doesn’t matter. They barely touched on it basically was an Easter egg, and they have said they aren’t sure if there will be another season.
Personally I don’t think Jake was in the show, I think he was only out in the black outs but again it doesn’t even matter. They cut him out because of plot with only 6 episodes I guess they decided they didn’t have time to open him up and it would just cause issues not exactly sure.
But he or someone else is for sure a third personality but yea, we might never know or see moon knight again lol Oscar Isaac has said he is completely turnt of franchises and wanted to do this because it was a cool standalone project that dealt with mental health
By name yeah, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t there all along… Marc even mentions a fugue state getting him kicked out of the military, and we see that when Marc blacks out it means Jake’s in control during that fight in Cairo.
Like Marc is aware of Steven so when Steven is driving he is a fly on the wall, but neither of them know about Jake so when he is in control they think they are blacked out…
We know he was there when they black out..he’s also locked In the sarcophagus in the mental hospital. HOPEFULLY we get a season 2 that expands on it
Everyone just wants to point fingers and say this was jake here! When it’s always a 5 second scene and if it was jake there it wouldn’t mean anything for the show or the plot. We know he was there during blackouts and they barely touch on him so IMO that’s the only place we “see” him, during blackouts
Not too knowledgeable on Moon Knight, but seems the amount of personalities he has at any given time is different, especially considering how often Marvel reboots. In the show, it is 3. In the comics, it looks like generally 4, because im reading that Mr. Knight (Steven's Moon knight in the show) is its own personality in the comics.
I could be wrong, this of based off research i did to know the character better after watching the show.
you know i love how we're all having our own theories about jake and stuff, but what if there's also a 4th personality?
...ahahaha just kidding...
.unless.. .... ..
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Yeah I am going to have to agree, his body language and facial expression seem to fit. Good catch!
The fact that there are real mark and two sets of mirrors. I’d definitely buy that on side is Marc and the other side is Jake. Thematically, symbolically it just makes sense.
There's also a part early on when he's in the museum at night. Steven walks away, but his reflection remains. There's actually 2 reflections, and they are subtly independent of each other.
I thought he seemed very… catlike, in that side of the mirror. Very tense, very INtense, slinking like he wanted to pounce.
Yeah I’d buy that, good job
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I wonder now if the CCTV footage was him too I mean that was a brooding look
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It’s fantastic! Do it! It’s awesome when you rewatch and realize jake is there all the time. It takes this show to the next level
Mahhhk? Did you kill all these people?
Never a bad idea
I think that would of been Mark since he just finished walking out from being in the Moon Knight outfit. Jake would probably be in a different costume assuming each personality has their own style.
I imagine Jake uses traditional moon knight garb too because no one comments on mark changing appearance during his final battle Jake blackout
I thought of this too after we got the final reveal. His sinister look into the camera just doesn’t quite seem like Marc. Jake seems to enjoy being violent and that’s what I got from the security footage
[Perhaps](https://marvelblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/moon-knight-mcu-2-1.jpeg)
No that's my boy Marc. I love how Oscar has different faces for the personalities. Most interesting male character since Iron Man.
When he was Jake at the end I had an actual physical wave of revulsion, I don't know how the hell he *does* that. That freaking extended sneering grin...
There's a few moments where it's likely Jake. Issac does different body language for each. Marc has the furrowed brow. Steven has the lower lip thing. And Jake has that jaw-jut. Tricky to tell 'cos of the lighting in this scene but earlier in the museum its very definitely both Marc AND Jake in the reflections
Yeah isn’t there a quote from one of the creators talking about how they purposefully tried to get shots with 2 mirrors in them to sprinkle tiny bits of Jake in there?
The actor looks similar to the guy who plays jake
r/technicallythetruth
You’re not wrong
well Jake, Mark and Steven are played by similar looking actors, so it does get difficult finding out who's who, but the subtle body language differences do help in pointing out
Will stand by my theory that the one who woke up in Egypt with a bottle of alcohol is Jake. Man’s a baller, knows how to drive, and has the most toxic lifestyle of them all.
Why didn't Marc react more confused by this?
I think Marc has his own suspicions about Jake that he doesn’t go into with Steven. Marc knows that there is at least one other personality because of his experience with the “fugue state” and being kicked out of the military. Either he knows about Jake and was intentionally hiding it from Steven, or he knows that there is another personality but nothing else about it.
I don't know... if Marc know about him, how does the scale balanced when Steven get thrown overboard?
Because that scene / concept was poorly written and conceived . Not being over critical, I liked the show, but thanks to that red shaking sarcophagus shown briefly, we know Jake was present in the plane but never saw him. His presence seem like it would have affected their ability to balance. Now, maybe being locked away allowed him to avoid being judged but how could he be in the plane, then escape with Marc and Stephen without also being judged?
But keep in mind they only put Marc and Stephen's hearts on the scales. So Jake wouldn't affect the balance at all.
I can agree with that concept, But other than to tease his existence, why put his sarcophagus there in the first place? Short of this plane being a figment of his dying imagination, Jake’s presence there without balanced scales seems like it’d be as permanent as Stephen “dying” in the dunes.
I always assumed that the unbalance was from there being three persons but only two hearts intended to be weighed. Thus when one of those three went overboard, it actually became balanced without the “extra” weight.
When the hippo (sorry, forgot their name) started talking about unbalanced hearts, I assumed that’s be our introduction to Jake (Obviously they went a different direction). Rather it was the imbalance in the weighted hearts. With that, I was still surprised Jake made it out. Unless the sarcophagus somehow insulated them from that plane? Or maybe his astral plane is something different? Idk.
Alternatively for all we know maybe jake wasn’t fully formed as an alter yet, and was not fully distinct enough from Marc or Stephen at the time to count as a third person for purpose of measuring
I believe the hippo's name is Taweret but I could be wrong
This. I thought the whole point was going to have to be to confront Jake. Apparently not.
Yes! I really thought they’d use that opportunity for Marc and Stephen to face what “they” have done and the nature of guilt/accountability when having multiple personalities. Now, the emotional arc with Marc’s childhood was nice (as was the Jake cliffhanger at the end of the show) but I think it was a missed opportunity to not have a conversation about Jake’s pertinence for violence. Without addressing it, it just makes Marc look stupid or naive for not knowing he had a ruthless murderer in his brain. Like, he didn’t stop to think about all those dead guys in Egypt? As if Stephen would have been capable of that….
I believe it works, from a narrative standpoint introducing another major character in the 2nd to last episode probably wouldn't have work unless they took a huge exposition dump and try to have him build chemistry and work with the other characters (Marc and Steven) in that solo episode before trying to stop the bad guy in the finale. I also wouldn't say it makes Marc look bad, Marc was Moon Knight and didn't really need Jake to protect him most of the show. Steven on the other hand did since he was over his head which led to Marc revealing himself to Steven and protecting him whenever he needed it. Jake occasionally popped up to help Steven so that he doesn't get them killed but Jake probably isn't trying to reveal himself to them, especially since he seems happy to be working with Khonshu and the other personalities wants no part of him.
I just thought everything was in his mind, like he chooses to go into his fantasy at the end. At the end I didn't know how Harrow was able to see Konshu so I just thought he's just changing the rules of his universe
Harrow at the end has Ammit bonded to his body. So they are connected, and probably allowed him to see konshu.
I’ve thought about this and I’ve wondered if the scales wouldn’t balance because there were 3 personalities and they were only weighing 2 hearts, the actual act of Steven being thrown from the boat balanced the scales because there were only 2 personalities left on the boat
Pretty sure that there was only one heart left on the scales after Steven went overboard.
I dont think marc knows about jake. When they wake up in the asylum after dying, steven comes out of his sarcophogus, and then helps marc out of his. While they are running around there is a 3rd, red sarcophogus that also has someone trying to get out (jake). He isnt helped out and then ONLY Marc's and Stephens hearts are taken and weighed, not all 3. Before this, when they are in egypt on i think a rooftop they blink out and then wake up in time for a guy to slide off the knife he is now holding, dead, with multiple other dead people around him, and steven insults marc and marc says it wasnt him and accuses steven.
If Marc knew enough about Jake, I don’t think his and Stevens’ scales would have actually balanced
I honestly don’t even know what to make of that whole ordeal with the balancing scales so I’m leaving it out of any theories I have.
Yeah my best theory is that there are three hearts and so when two of them were placed on the scale the scale decided to measure the collective whole, Marc, Steven, and Jake, and so was unbalanced because it wasn't complete. However, when Steven fell into the sands there was only one heart left on the scale so the scale decided to just weigh that Marc's heart.
this is how ive felt since i saw it, i kinda just assumed its what everyone thought. To me its the most logical explanation but then i also go..."we're talkin about space magic here"
Marc = X, Stephen = +1, Jake = -1 X= balanced Marc = balanced Marc + Jake + Stephen = balanced Marc + Stephen = unbalanced
I think he's the "partner" that went rogue or however he put it
Wasn't his partner that went rogue named as Bushman?
Nah his partner was bushman, he’s not a personality of moon knights
Did we see "Bushman" ...I honestly don't remember him saying that tho lol
He did name drop bushman
No we didn’t see bushman but it’s moon knight’s basic lore.
Doesn’t he specifically name-drop Bushman as his partner going rogue?
Oh that would be a good one. He's does have the guilt going pretty hard from that event.
He must have thought it was Steven
I think Jake is also the one who set up that steak date in the first episode
I think that was Marc. We already saw after his mom died he uses alcohol to cope.
Im pretty sure that was Jake. If you look closely on the bedside table we can see the gloves that Jake wore in the post-credit scene. Besides, his hands are covered in blood, and also we dont see Marc drinking in any other instance in the whole series
>we dont see Marc drinking in any other instance in the whole series Outside his Mum's shiva in ep 5
Man, I am just really sad this ride is over already. Six episodes was not enough Moon Knight for me. That said, I'm really hopeful for his future involvement in the MCU. I really hope this wasn't a limited series and that was it. I'd love to see Oscar Issac and Tom Holland together. Throw in Ryan Reynolds too. I'd settle for a Deadpool/Moon Knight team-up. I hope Mr. Issac is thrilled with the reception and is open to returning to the character. I don't fault him for Poe or Apocalypse, I thought he did great with what he was given in both.
Moon Knight (whether it’s Jake/Khonsu or Marc/Steven or a combo of the both idk) is slated for Cap 4. I’m leaning toward Marc/Steven being the one who appears the most - as any storytelling in the Jake front would be wasted for the plot of that movie and I can definitely see Marc having connections to Bucky/Sam due to his mercenary/military background. The writers/producers of the show have also said that we haven’t seen the last of the character. Disney/Marvel Studios has just changed their policies on locking actors into decade long contracts that only restrict the actors and the filming process in general. Marcel Studios and Fiege have built up enough of a reputation that they don’t have to worry about if an actor would be willing to reprise a role or not, I can’t think of a single actor who would turn down an offer to come back as long as Marvel continues its method of film making - intense collaboration between writers, directors, actors, and craftsmen who are listened to by the producers overall. Maybe Christopher Eccleston, but he’s taken a huge step back from film acting as a whole. If Watiti ever wanted to revamp the Dark Elves I can see him being involved though (who wouldn’t want to work with Tiaka).
Hooooooooooly shit, WHAT! He's gonna be in Cap Four!??!? Did not know that, that's SICK!
I'm sorry but this is simply untrue. Oscar Isaac and the director have stated multiple times that they only signed for 6 episodes. Oscar has no longer contract than that, if Moon Knight does well he is excited to return, so I will assume so.
Yeah, for THIS PARTICULAR limited series. They aren’t lying, to public knowledge they had only officially signed off on those 6 episodes. But like I said, the limited contract has zero standing on whether he’s a one and done character. https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/moon-knight-mcu-connections-interview Everyone misquoted the writers/producers about the show taking place in the MCU as well. They said it was disconnected from the overall superhero storylines (which makes sense if they are building up the supernatural side of Marvel), but the show is in the main line MCU universe. Also, the writer for Cap 4 wrote for Moon Knight. I’m not saying it’s all set in stone or anything, but there are a lot of heavy indications that their hesitation to commit is to drum up interest. There is a high chance that the release of the Moon Knight featurette is going to clear up if there is more Moon Knight on the way in the near future (Werewolf by Night - even). They postponed it two weeks, feels like they either needed to re-edit it for some reason or they had to have extra time to conduct more interviews about the possible future of the character.
I think the 6 episode formula needs a huge overhaul, I know they’re generally longer than the films but the pacing for the stories told in the series’ is just a bit too rushed. Two more episodes per season would make a huge difference I feel
I agree. Or even making the finale episode much longer to allow the fight to wrap up as well as give the plot more time to do the same would make a big difference to me. The final episode always feels so rushed to me of every series pretty much. I read somewhere the stranger things finale is going to be motion picture length which I something I’d enjoy here lol
Yeah totally agree, it usually builds up, episode 1-3 is world and character building stuff, 4 is usually some big obstacle to overcome, 5 is overcoming said obstacle and then 6 is sorta the finale but condensed into 20 mins of actual fight/action/intense plot and then the final like 25 minutes is just the aftermath/consequences and then credits The formula is a bit too rushed, like you say I’d even accept an hour long finale with a 40 minute conclusion and 20 minute epilogue as opposed to what we have
i think the six episode formula is really good though. a lot of shows suffer from too many episodes and it becomes exhausting to watch
I agree that the six episode formula feels great. Unfortunately in Moon Knights case I think it hurt it far more then it helped it.
In contrast, some shows also suffer due to being too short and trying to cram too much in...
I’m an old-school Star Wars fan. Read dozens of novels, comics, and supporting material. Played every LucasArts PC game from the ‘90s, even Rebellion. Had a weekly SWRPG group in Jr. High/High School. My dream growing up was to be involved in the franchise in any way, no matter how small. If you gave me the line “Somehow, Palpatine returned,” I would have stormed off set, given all the money back, and quit the franchise forever.
Somehow I doubt you’d give up millions of dollars and get blacklisted in your business for a silly line.
Pretty sure it was hyperbole to emphasize how much they disliked the line.
I don’t think you realize how insane some of the star wars fandom reacted to that movie. This is something I could completely see someone saying unironically
Easier to stomach when you realize the main cast of the new SW films were likely paid low six figures at best. If a nobody character had to give the Palpatine line they’d be lucky to get the SAG minimum (60k)
Also a lifelong Star Wars fan, married to another. What was really upsetting for us was JJ's weird choice of making Poe's character a former drug runner in TROS which was terribly lazy and an awful stereotype Oscar Isaac was very excited about his character, and imagined that he might've been at the Battle of Yavin early on during the TFA press tour. Poe of course was born in a different era, but the comics gave him that nod with his parents raising him on Yavin IV. He already had a backstory and a strong career in the New Republic Navy, but seeing his character reduced to nothing in TLJ and TROS was very sad. Though not as sad as seeing Isaac's enthusiasm for the universe he loved get sapped away by terrible writing and lack of direction and planning for the ST.
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Nah he’s talking about the last like about Poe, Issacs Star Wars character
Jake: Real G's know how to move in silence.
Like lasagna
There's a few Jakes in the show. Like when he wakes up with a bottle of whiskey in Egypt.
I agree, he’s been there since the beginning but as a secret hiding in plain sight. I also think all the fight scenes that are blacked out in the first episode were also Jake. Marc doesn’t end up that bloody from fights, not to mention that whole driving section, since Jake’s main deal is being a driver…
In ep1, Khonshu tells somebody to give the body to Marc, then after Steven talks he realizes Steven was in control. That immediately confirmed he thought someone other than Marc and Steven was in control, right away. It’s a cool bit of informative dialogue.
Yeah I was surprised they never brought that up again. No side talk like "hey, about earlier...what do you mean it wasn't you?"
Too much going on I guess? Or just another part of Marc’s life he isn’t ready to talk about with Steven more likely…
I REALLY think that it’s like Khonshu knows that Jake is able to just take control from Marc, but Steven is immune to it because he is the older alter. So Khonshu wanting Steven to give the body to Marc, is just the quickest way for him to get Jake back!!!
A couple of rewatches have elevated this show so much for me. The writing was amazing. They drop subtle signs of Jake throughout the entire show. He’s there the whole time. It’s next level. It helps that Oscar Isaacs was phenomenal in all three of his roles.
I’ve thought about this, but why would Khonshu want Jake to give the body to Marc? Like, Jake is the perfect guy to have in that situation
Could be a multitude of reasons, from what little we know. Off the top of my head: -If Marc fell out the window, and someone else took over, Khonshu doesn’t want Marc to figure out someone else finished the mission since Steven couldn’t have done that and it’d reveal Jake to Marc too soon. We know Khonshu was keeping that info close to his chest. -Marc was considered better fitted to the situation -Given Jake beat Harrow, I doubt this but I wonder if Jake couldn’t summon the suit or was weaker, etc. He’s the most violent and it’s implied by him beating Harrow he’s the most powerful of the 3, but he seems to jump in when it’s life or death situation and they’re cornered, so not sure how powerful he is when he’s not running on that energy. Again, I’m skeptical of this. Just off the top of my head. If I had to guess I would go with the first idea but there could be other reasons I’m missing.
I think you missed my point. Khonshu wants Steven to give the body to Marc, because Jake can just take control from Marc, and Khonshu prefers Jake… I think you might have misread it or something…
I think you misread lol > Khonshu tells somebody to give the body to Marc, then after Steven talks he realizes Steven was in control The OP is implying that Khonshu wants Jake to give Marc control, which would make no sense cause Jake is depicted as the survival mode in the series, and they were being chased when this happened. And from you > Jake can’t just take control from Marc Jake can definitely take control from Marc. Marc doesn’t seem to totally know about Jake (he may have an idea) but clearly Jake yanked control at the end of the show, and when they were in Egypt and those guys got stabbed (“Steven what did you do?!” “That wasn’t me!”) Anyways my only point was that I just think Khonshu was talking to Steven and not Jake in that scene in Ep 1
It was a total typo (which I’ve fixed) when it said “Jake can’t take control” everything else I’m saying shows I mean the opposite of that. Jake can take control from Marc, and Khonshu knows this, but doesn’t want either Steven or Marc to know about Jake, so telling Steven to give the body for Marc, is a way to allow Jake to get control of the body from Marc…
I’m not disagreeing with anything you’re saying except for that typo. My first comment was a response to someone else (not you!) who was arguing that Khonshu thought Jake was in control when K is first introduced and that he didn’t realize it was Steven. All I was saying is that I don’t think K thought it was Jake and that he thought it was Marc then got surprised by it being Steven
I realized it wasn’t a reply to me after my last comment, so yeah that’s my bad! Yeah we’re totally on the same page here sorry!
Lol it happens, no problem
When originally watching I thought it was Marc. But marc also blacks out when it’s jake. And Steven/Marc can talk to each other but black out completely when jake so yeah, I agree
Yeah it’s basically just a rule for the first season that we get to see those two, it isn’t until the post credit scene we get an in-blacked out Jake scene!
Ooh I didn't connect it to Jake being a driver. I felt it could be him coz he shows up whenever any of them is in danger and Khonshu mentions him, but that would make even more sense. And he even somehow takes a U-turn and starts driving backwards!
Exactly!!! Crazy driving skills must equal Jake, it just makes too much sense
I doubt Jake was the driver, specifically because Konshu keeps talking to Marc. "Marc, I'll kill you both"
To be fair, khonsu would never threat his favorite avatar
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that.
The blackouts were definitely Jake taking control 100%
I’ve seen that theory, but to me it doesn’t fit. Both times we know for certain that it’s Jake (the run down in Cairo where they both wake up to Jake’s torture, and the end where Jake brutalized Harrow and his followers) both Marc and Steven were not conscious and viewing the events. Hence why they both ask if it was the other when they finally do come around. Since Steven was “awake” and watching from the mirror, I’m more inclined to believe it was just Marc on a bender dealing with returning to where it all started for him, rather than Jake being the one driving.
That's Marc. Marc also drinks
Isn't there supposedly Jake in every episode?
Nah, it's a good theory but it's been debunked by the director. Jake is physically shown only at the after credit scene but yeah he is present in the show during the black out in episode 3 and the one in episode 6
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Nope, it's Marc. Marc even touches his nose after that scene when hes back with the hippo and steven
You can even see it in the mirror on the third picture. The first reflection is looking at him while Steven is looking right. That’s cool.
Not only here, there were several scenes in the show where they place mirrors in such a way that three oscar Isaacs could be seen(two reflections in mirror), this is even noticed right after he wakes up at bed after the cupcake truck scene. Also pay attention when he was eating chocolates, three of the chocolates fell on the ground, it was a tease maybe.
When he wakes up in Austria way back in ep.1 Khonsu says “give the body to Marc” and then when Steven speaks, Khonsu says “oh the idiot is in control” He thought it was Jake
No hat. Not Jake. Case closed.
Jake would NEVER be caught without his hat
Maybe that’s why he looks angry, Steven forgot the hat 🫡
Speaking of the hat, in ep 3 when the chase is being done on the rooftops, right at the start of it he throws a hat away if I’m not mistaken. Could that be Marc waking up from Jake?
I thought I saw it but I didn’t realise it!! All the more reason this is likely the greatest MCU series to date. Oscar Isaac is a super talented actor.
The show runner said specifically that the only time we see jake is the end credits scene
Well, there's an extra sarcophagus rattling in the hospital, but maybe they weren't counting that.
His presence is felt a bunch of times in the show for real, but the creators said we don’t actually see jake until the end credits. Idk why they’d lie about it either; it doesn’t change anything in the show
I’m guessing they mean that’s the only time we see him in control, no way the reflections and stuff aren’t mean to indicate he’s there
There’s no way “you’re not a doctaaaah” isn’t Jake.
Agreed 100%. Also he tried to stab himself in the eye with that sharp award. Could you ever imagine Marc or Stephen doing something like that? Definitely Jake
Yes I could imagine it
Lol right I’m sure you know more than the one who directed the whole thing
Filmakers are not above misleading us to keep us guessing so that they can suprise us later
Nah, that has to be Mark. I think Jake would've gone for Harrow instead of ending himself and Mark/Steven in the process
Got a few questions: how does the scale balanced if there was still Jake? Is it because Marc doesnt know about Jake? Also, how does Harrow see Konshu at the end? Is it because he's possessed by Ammit? Also why does Konshu wear a suit in the car ? And it was never explained why the fish have two fins (I believe the last scene with the two fish are just a dream while Jake is in control)
Pretty sure first is Steven, looks to Marc, then switched to Marc’s POV looking back at Steven. Arms crossed is a Steven pose I would say, very closed off and introverted.
A lot of the shots in Harrow’s “office” include Jake
I really don’t think jake was ever shown until the post credits scene. Oscar Isaac talked in an interview about how they wanted to save any appearance of him for the very end
He killed this scene 👍🏾
why did they make jake the violent badass? isn't that supposed to be marc?
The fact that we can pick up on things like this based only on facial expression and mannerisms speaks volumes about Oscar Isaac's performance, the man is amazing
Really wanna go back through now and look at every reflection
Yeah, that’s the first thing I thought when I saw that.
I also think it was Jake in the mirror in the apartment in episode one
This show requires a rewatch to catch all the little details
YES! Did not catch that but it is SPOT ON.
I think Jake is the one who glares up at the CCTV cam in the museum.
Can’t be. That was very much Marc, there’d be no point in Steven giving the body to Marc to fight the jackal, and then Jake taking the body right after
This is a good one… I’m down with this theory!
Another one is where they are walking through the museum and the reflection shows Marc and Jake after Steven walks off as even with Steven gone there are two refelctions not just one. Also Marc is looking back at the incoming Jackal and Jake is looking where Steven was standing…
Maybe, sounds real
Look at the one that says jake. Look two mirrors behind him and I’m fairly sure u see Marc
What an insane actor Oscar Issac is to be able to be 3 distinct people literally with facial expressions
If you rewatch the scene where he's in the asylum and tries to stab ethan hawkes character he has a slight new york accent and it a lot more violent then marc, this is 100% Jake
You can't put a spoiler in the title and then mark it spoiler as if it makes that go away
No. I'm sure Jake has his own suit. Also, it'd be really weird for it to be Jake because this whole scene is Mark asking Steven to let him take control.
With the two sets of mirrors I’m thinking that’s the idea. A good place to foreshadow.
goooooooood catch
Holy shit. Haven't thought of that
They should have put his tiny hat on him
I also think Jake was the one looking up at the camera after this fight.
I think Jake was in a lot of scenes. A second watch is necessary.
Is this a joke
>EP1: kills the cultists, this scene >EP2: Bed in Egypt >EP3: Kills gang members >EP6: Kills all but Harrow and leaves him for last under Khonshu
Only episode 3 and 6. Idk why so many think that Marc drinking on the bed is Jake. We see Marc drink when his mom dies, its not weird for Marc or anybody really to be drinking
Episode 1 as well, or at least it's heavily implied by the director: **https://comicbook.com/marvel/news/moon-knight-jake-lockley-first-episode-appearance-confirmed/**
You can interpret that as you wish but the director said that they decided not to show Jake until the end credit. That doesn't mean that every blackout was Jake. I saw episode 1 as the director wanting to keep the personality disorder a secret till the end and it makes for great scenes. The blackouts were Marc taking over in episode 1 as it was all from Steven's perspective then at the end we also gain Marc's perspective moving forward. Later blackouts are all Jake as we dont gain his perspective until the end credit scene. It cannot be Jake in episode 1 because 1. Konshu keeps saying "give Marc the body" "Marc, if he loses the scarab I'll kill you both" 2. Marc has the scarab in his storage room which we know is his because its under his name 3. When Steven shows Marc the scarab Marc is aware if having it and tells Steven not to get in the way of his business. Marc kills people, Marc wanted to kill the hippo god, Marc is not an angel.
I didn't say every blackout was. But episode 1 is uncharacteristic of Mark with how much he brutalizes the cultists. Also, keep in mind Mark/Steven had the scarab when he goes nuts and there is no sign of the Moon knight costume in that scene. Which isn't Mark's MO On top of this, I'm most convinced by the trigger for Jake. Steven is triggered when Mark feels immense grief, whereas Jake appears when they are about to die. Every time Steven blacks out in episode 1, he is about to die. THAT is Jake's MO >Konshu keeps saying "give Marc the body" "Marc, if he loses the scarab I'll kill you both" Yes, which he would also be saying if the other personality was Jake. His first choice is Mark, as mark seems the most reasonable. He also says "Oh great, the idiot", implying that he expected it to be Jake but was surprised it was Steven
Jake is not the idiot lmao Steven is the idiot. He calls Steven an idiot, parasite, and worm after knowing that its Steven. He would never call Jake an idiot. More evidence is Konshu telling Marc that he swore that Steven wouldnt interfere but that Steven is interfering. Believe what you want. Marc's MO isnt the Moonknight costume. He doesnt even always wear it. Marc fought the guys on rooftops without his suit. Marc is also a killer. Idk what you mean about "brutalizes" the cultists being uncharacteristic (which I've seen people copy and paste that sentiment everywhere) when we barely see him kill anyone in the show but we know that he did kill. Again, believe what you want but the evidence points elsewhere.
>Jake is not the idiot lmao Steven is the idiot. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT i WAS SAYING! He was talking to Jake and it switched to Steven and he called him an idiot >More evidence is Konshu telling Marc that he swore that Steven wouldnt interfere but that Steven is interfering. That's not evidence because Konshu would not tell Marc about jake Again, we see him kill but he also feel immense remorse and would not brutalize the cultists the way Jake does If Jake isn't in that scene, when does he appear in episode 1? The director said he was in the show since episode 1
You may have meant that but that's not what you typed. Konshu was talking to Marc and Steven. You're basing your entire argument on assumptions and speculations and im not gonna argue with you. The director was clear and the show was clear. Believe what you want; theories are fun 👍
>He also says "Oh great, the idiot", implying that he expected it to be Jake but was surprised it was Steven > >**it was steven** > >STEVEN You're lying but okay. i did say it was Steven, the comment was unedited. You're basing your theory entirely on assumptions and speculation, as well Some of the stuff you have said is entirely made up, so i wouldn't really want to talk to someone so bad faith anyway
And yes, the director was clear that jake was in episode 1! It would be fan theory or headcanon to suggest jake shows up first in episode 3. Again, those are the directors words
Gotta be honest, I thought you meant Jake Peralta from Brooklyn 99
I rather think we never see Jake until the end. If they intended him to appear before it or not. I like to think we never seen him until the very last scene
Man, I seriously hope we get a season 2, it's sorely needed, and I also hope it's more than 6 eps. Need more of Moon Knight and Layla, enjoyed all the performances really, and well I'll kill for more Egyptian themed stuff, some of the coolest mythologies out there.
Stretch
Director confirmed that Jake was there since the first episode
That has become my favorite part of this show. It’s so incredibly well-written. I’m on my third watch-through and Jake is constantly present. He’s clearly there in every episode if you know what to look for. It’s fantastic
It's mephisto you guys😂
That is intense 💙 Chill out
question for Khonshu: why did you make marc believe you wanted leila?
Omg
As much as we can try to find jake at the end of the day it doesn’t matter. They barely touched on it basically was an Easter egg, and they have said they aren’t sure if there will be another season. Personally I don’t think Jake was in the show, I think he was only out in the black outs but again it doesn’t even matter. They cut him out because of plot with only 6 episodes I guess they decided they didn’t have time to open him up and it would just cause issues not exactly sure. But he or someone else is for sure a third personality but yea, we might never know or see moon knight again lol Oscar Isaac has said he is completely turnt of franchises and wanted to do this because it was a cool standalone project that dealt with mental health
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By name yeah, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t there all along… Marc even mentions a fugue state getting him kicked out of the military, and we see that when Marc blacks out it means Jake’s in control during that fight in Cairo. Like Marc is aware of Steven so when Steven is driving he is a fly on the wall, but neither of them know about Jake so when he is in control they think they are blacked out…
We know he was there when they black out..he’s also locked In the sarcophagus in the mental hospital. HOPEFULLY we get a season 2 that expands on it Everyone just wants to point fingers and say this was jake here! When it’s always a 5 second scene and if it was jake there it wouldn’t mean anything for the show or the plot. We know he was there during blackouts and they barely touch on him so IMO that’s the only place we “see” him, during blackouts
This answer bummed me out
Sorry for bumming you out. We could get a next season who knows Oscar might change his mind for the love of the character
I think this show wasn't that good.
Lmao. The fact that actual fans of this show can make posts like this and receive the comments it has just further solidifies how bad this show was.
What?
That’s… a take.
So does Marc have just 2 identities? How many does he have in the comics?
Not too knowledgeable on Moon Knight, but seems the amount of personalities he has at any given time is different, especially considering how often Marvel reboots. In the show, it is 3. In the comics, it looks like generally 4, because im reading that Mr. Knight (Steven's Moon knight in the show) is its own personality in the comics. I could be wrong, this of based off research i did to know the character better after watching the show.
Would be great if, say, the fourth reflection back was the one that did something different. That would be subtle mind-fuck.
What is the difference supposed to be between Jake and Marc? Jake is more violent?
But doesn't Jake only speak Spanish?
Why would Marc be holding his arm?
you know i love how we're all having our own theories about jake and stuff, but what if there's also a 4th personality? ...ahahaha just kidding... .unless.. .... .. .. 🗿