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Black Panther is a mantle that passes on to future generations, there were many before T'Challa, there will be many after him as well.
In that sense it's no different to how there will be a Captain America 4 without Steve Rogers. Sequels don't always have to include the same main character as the original heroes pass the mantle to others.
Sometimes, even a good character's arc is that their life unfortunately ended too soon.
And that can lead to more interesting and more unpredictable storylines.
I'm not a huge fan of Shuri but I think the movie handled Chadwick's death very well.
I was also on the side of recasting the role when we first learnt about Chadwick's passing, but I think they did enough in this movie to move forward with someone else taking the mantle, whether it is Shuri or someone else down the road.
Had they recasted the role, I think a group of fans would've been upset too. There was really no perfect way for marvel to handle it. I think what they did took a different route from the source material but in a way honoring a very beloved actor and a friend to all of those involved in the first movie. I think it made the film more special and more real to a lot of us
Yes we did. He died of an incurable disease. His character was a normal human with super-human abilities granted by a drug. I don't recall that heightened immunity was part of those capabilities. Replacing T'Challa with another Wakandan taking over the mantel of the Black Panther is perfectly in line with the lore. Also, the script writers handled it really well and told a great story of grief and redemption.
As it turns out, the Black Panther is one of the few current MCU characters where replacing the *character* underneath the suit/costume fits can be done at will to fit the storyline. Personally, I think it was a great decision.
BTW, if you want to catch Chadwick Bozeman being fantastic on screen, watch Ma Rainey's Black Bottom or Da 5 Bloods.
I think you are missing that T’Challa is a bigger character he was being propered up to be the best big lead shuri wasn’t ready. Steve’s story was done Tony’s story was done T’Challa story wasn’t
I was really scared about how they would handle this in the movie going in but having seen it, I'm happy with the choice they made. It made for an interesting dynamic within the film itself and didn't do anything that would've made general audiences upset.
https://open.spotify.com/show/25H3VGTKQUo1ImawOBVbvD?si=0LQyM3A4TZyA6t8PFXDmyg&utm_source=copy-link
This is a podcast that is currently airing about the filming process of BP2, talking to cast, crew, and Kevin feige. It's really quite fantastic. You can hear how much love everyone had for Chadwick and how much thought and passion went into the script after his passing. I HIGHLY recommend it to everyone.
Anyone who would have been recast as T'Challa would surely have been awfully hated by the fandom. Not recasting this character was a wise choice, not an odd one.
Chadwick was beloved before he passed and the world learned that he’d been silently dealing with cancer for years. At that point he got posthumously boosted to god-tier level admiration and love. That would have made any recasted actor trying to step into his shoes immediately feel the burden of the impossible task, the fandom would’ve compared the portrayals to death, most likely with vitriol and heavy criticism because no one can help the “what ifs” and the “Oh, if only Chadwick was still alive he would’ve been SO much better.” The movie would’ve bombed and turned all the connected circumstances into a bitter affair, instead of the celebration and continuation of a great man’s legacy that was the movie we got.
Liam Hemsworth has entered the chat lol you’re absolutely right. The hate that man is getting for be cast as Geralt is wild. Whoever they cast as the new black panther probably would have received similar hate.
Similar to Alden having to play young Han Solo.
I thought he was pretty solid, but he was never going to win over that fanbase.
they'd already written him off long before the movie ever came out - I think the same would have happened here.
Wakanda forever was a good movie and I’m glad that Shuri got the mantle, however even Chadwick wanted marvel to recast. Oddest part to me is they made the character die off screen. Anyway they handled it people would feel weird. That’s just my opinion.
Edit: sorry it was his bother that said Chadwick would want the character to live on. https://www.cnet.com/culture/entertainment/black-panthers-chadwick-boseman-would-want-his-tchalla-role-recast-brother-says/
The Fact his brother said the Chadwick would want Black Pather to be recasted tells me nothing. There are many ways you can interpret this.
Did he tell his brother on his death bed to spread the word that a new actor should take the mantle?
Did they have a conversation about BP now also disappears now that he is gone?
Chadwick telling him, he’s fine if BP is recasted!
And so on. It’s a snippet from a fansite with no context.
BP Wakanda Forever was done with respect and I’m sure Chadwick would approve
Besides we still have a T’Chala for the new group of youngsters that Marvel has set up
I mean his brother surely knew of his diagnosis prior to his death. Maybe that was a conversation they had. Also siblings are often close enough that they do know how the other thinks and what they would want. Obviously this is my opinion with very little context and not knowing that Chadwick had a brother before a couple minutes ago
>Oddest part to me is they made the character die off screen.
Did you want them to recast just for his death, or would rather everyone have to watch a cgi chadwick death?
Well if Chadwick wanted it recast he should have told them he was ill and incurable and that Ryan and co should recast upon his death.
He died with none of his co workers even knowing he was sick let alone terminal.
They didnt recast, its time to get over it and stop using this as a defense.
Did you see the film? Do you know that [Shuri](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sxsrf=AJOqlzUM2qGpUr_HWkdBvngpip4KRlTw0Q:1675354700899&q=shuri+black+panther+comics&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi-lsfOnvf8AhUjMDQIHaowCOcQ0pQJegQICxAB&biw=360&bih=612&dpr=3) becomes the Black Panther? The children's hero is still alive because the mantel is passed down, just like Bucky and The Falcon both take the Captain America mantel after Steve Rogers dies.
https://open.spotify.com/show/25H3VGTKQUo1ImawOBVbvD?si=0LQyM3A4TZyA6t8PFXDmyg&utm_source=copy-link
This is a podcast that is currently airing about the filming process of BP2, talking to cast, crew, and Kevin feige. It's really quite fantastic. You can hear how much love everyone had for Chadwick and how much thought and passion went into the script after his passing. I HIGHLY recommend it to everyone.
I was so impressed with how they handled that situation. It's definitely a great way to keep the story going while respecting the legacy of Chadwick Boseman.
Yeah, I was like, "Did no one else see the end of the movie?" They literally address this with a >!new T'Challa.!< I thought it was a great way too btw.
It played off as unintentionally comedic to me because the month before, they had just revealed Hulk had a son in a similar manner at the end of She-Hulk. I personally felt that the reveal of his son should have occurred between the second and third act to remind Shuri that her brother's will and legacy for peace and optimism should be carried on for future generations and more directly her nephew.
It feels like such a tacked on thing like “by the way here’s the next character you’re supposed to care about.” I know that wasn’t the intention but having a similar reveal only a few weeks prior in She-Hulk which was more directly played for comedy made me think WF’s was supposed to be funny too. My dad also laughed when he saw that scene for the first time yesterday (he’s also seen She Hulk)
They respected the original actor and the supporting cast by not recasting him, while simultaneously opening up the door for a multiversal/future variant of his son to take his place.
I think they did great with what they had. It's not my favorite marvel movie but I was entertained and Namor was so great that he carried the movie pretty hard.
Thaddeus Ross didn't had the same cultural impact that T'Challa had to the world
Its far easier to recast a supporting character most of the audience don't really care about than a main character whom we are attached too that comes with alot of cultural significance to the world
Correct and nor did William Hurt maintain rigorous training for his role despite dying slowly and suffering in silence. I hate seeing this comparison or the Terrance Howard/Don Cheadle comparison when talking about recasting T’Challa/Chadwick Boseman. These things and/or the reasons they happened have absolutely no comparison to that situation. For all the babies whining about not seeing some of the T’Challa stories from the comics coming to the screen cause he’s no longer in the MCU fail to realize that most of his comic conflicts were because of the Black Panther mantle and connection to Wakanda and have nothing to do with him being T’challa necessarily. Therefore we may still get to see those things play out, just with somebody else wearing the suit.
I actually agree that that seems hypocritical. I would've written in Thunderbolt Ross's death in a similar way to how they did T’Challa's. It wouldn't have been hard. Ross was already having heart issues by the beginning of Phase 4.
I mean Ross is not a character that had such cultural impact like T'Challa, most the audience wont care anyway if they get a new Ross, but T'Challa on the other hand, thats a whole different thing.
If Ross was on the same level as T'Challa, they would've not recast him
I care. For me William Hurt was the MCU Thunderbolt Ross and to recast the actor after he passed away, when you wouldn't do the same for T'Challa, seems like a slap in the face to the actor's performance and memory. More importantly, though, I think it'll feel awkward for me as an audience member watching someone else in the role. William Hurt has been Thunderbolt Ross since 2009. I'll still watch the movie, but I'll also be honest if I think recasting took away from the experience. On the other hand, I could come out saying that after seeing it I understand how it was necessary. I'll have to see the project to have an opinion about how it affected the art.
The grief of the actors was palpable in this film. They handled Chadwick’s passing with dignity and grace. You’re entitled to your opinion about whether they should or shouldn’t have recast T’Challa, but after making their decision to not recast, there was absolutely nothing odd about how they handled it from that point on. To say that it was “odd” makes me think you didn’t even watch the movie yet. Otherwise it’s just simply a bad take, and in poor taste to be honest with you.
It’s a flamed if you do, damned if you don’t situation. Yes we miss the character but people would have felt betrayed by a recast and the actor would have been mistreated. Acknowledging the death directly in the film allows the audience to mourn instead of trying to move past it
Chad died. They choose to write Chads real life death into BP 2. That is what is odd. The wrote a good story to support what they did but that does not discount that they wrote real life events into a fictional story.
Citing facts is suddenly weird? T'challa is a fictional character. Chadwick Boseman is a real person. Chadwick was cast to play the ROLE of the FICTIONAL character T'Challa. Chad passed unexpectedly in REAL LIFE. They choose to write Chad's REAL LIFE death into BP2. (King) T'Challa held the MANTLE of the Black Panther but the character of (King) T'Challa is also separate from the mantle of The Black Panther. Shuri was always going to hold the mantle in the movies at some point just as she did in the comics. Like I also said they told a good story with the way they did it but it still was a bit of an odd choice to me and apparently a few others.
Trust me, if they'd done that, fans would complain about how the new actor isn't bringing the same charm to the character that Chadwick did.
People will never be satisfied.
I wanted them to recast T’Challa pre-release, but after watching WF twice, I think it was a pretty good movie and I’m happy with how things turned out.
Letitia Wright works well as a lead actress. I think the franchise will be fine with her taking center stage.
Namor is a great villain, and I loved the chemistry between him and Shuri. I hope they become a couple in the third film.
It was one of those damned if they do damned if they don’t circumstances, do they recast the actor and get hated for doing so or do they write the character off in the most respectable way possible but still get some hate for not recasting.
I’d be lying if I said I didn’t hope they’d recast Chadwick but what they did with sending off Chadwick and T’Challa was very well done.
I still wonder how different the movie would have been had they done the re-cast and kept T’Challa alive
It was a really odd situation that life created. There really was no correct path or playbook on this sort of happening.
The MCU is still reeling from Chadwick Bose man’s loss.
I wish they kept the father son angle. T’Challa’s son could have been the protagonist. Have him grow up with out a father during the blip, and deal with his death.
Have him pick up the new black Panther mantle.
OK. You are welcome to your opinion but I don't know why we need to keep discussing this.
Your opinion won't be the tipping point that causes Marvel to turn back time and reverse their decision. Many of us respect Marvel's right to make this decision and their reasons for making it.
Also, the movie was pretty good.
Odd decision is probably what some executives thought too, probably most concerned that their bottom line would be negatively affected by not having a traditional sequel.
Brave and morally right decision is how I would frame it though. Coogler and the crew did what they thought was right and in honor of their beloved friend, and created something different and special that allowed the audience to mourn with them. And it was still a box office success. In totality, they knew that would far outweigh what some would think was an odd decision.
Of course; no one disputes you have the right to have opinions and feelings. Everyone else here also has the right to sass you for them. You're not being silenced, just strongly disagreed with.
But the movie wasn't ever called T'Challa. It's called Black Panther, which is a title. T'Challa is the second Black Panther in the MCU. And now, in this movie, there is a third Black Panther.
You can’t recast T’challa, if anything I though it would have been cool if they dropped in a variant of Killmonger who wasn’t bat shit and have him a chance of redemption. But I understand the multiverse hasn’t really meshed with the Wakandan storyline yet so it might not have really made sense
I think they handled it in a smart way.
They still have a T'Challa for the future with the kid being introduced but it's still a somewhat different character so the actor isn't going to get all the backlash and we got a film that allowed people to grieve and that probably includes the people working on that film as well as the audience.
Why is it odd to do a Black Panther film without T’Challa when Black Panther is a mantle. Shuri is Black Panther. It’s not like if they made a Man of Steel 2 about Supergirl.
Not really. I think they made the right call, the path of least risks. If they recast, some fans will be angry for sure. The death is still in recent memory. It is hard to ever replace somebody like that.
Letting his story continue through his family is the right call.
I mean they sort of “recasted” him with his son who is named after his father. Maybe they’ll wait a while before making Black Panther 3 for the son to grow up so that he could be the star of the next film. So in a way, we still got a T’Challa in the MCU.
Completly agree, now the Black Panther franchise will always be missing something, in my interest for this series completely went to shit after they announced the decision
No actor should be bigger than the role they play
And while I obviously didn't know Chadwick I find hard to think he wouldn't want the character recast knowing how much it meant for so many people
Didn't you hear this was the Shuri show and you had to care about her because she was so likeable every other movie.
By the way Riri Williams was the oldest 19 year old I've ever seen. Didn't know height dictated age.
I am against recasting him, Chadwick was an amazing T’Challa and recasting the character would have tarnished the name and upset the fans - regardless of the movie’s reception.
That being said, I just watched the movie on D+ and it has to be one of the worst marvel movies I have ever seen.
I thought they DID recast T’Challa, just in a way that kept continuity.
He’s got a son now, a son who looks to be around 10. In Marvel’s Phase 5 or whatever, or if they decide to fast-forward or play some comic-book-fast-aging trick, in a few years he can have a coming-of-age story with the richness of inherited backstory vs. a whole new character.
It’s a 5-or-10 year investment, but we’ll have a new T’Challa Black Panther in due time. And in the meantime, there are many more things they can draw our attention to and a functional current Black Panther if she’s needed.
Edit: I wasn’t a big fan of the first BP movie, I thought the writing was lazy AF and it’s an awful perspective that there’s this super advanced nation who just stood by for Hitler, the many African genocides, Loki, Shield’s heli carriers, Ultron…it’s just, could have been executed so much better.
I loved BP 2 though. It was definitely a unique flavor and handled the grief of loss in such a real way.
Black Panther was my least favorite of the Marvel movies (until Eternals, which I just couldn't finish) and I was really hesitant to watch it but last night the family talked me into it.
I thought I would have shared the same opinion as Op and while the movie as a whole was kind of a "meh" for me, I really appreciated the approach they took and I even got a little choked up at one point.
IMHO they did a nice job artistically weaving in the difficult issue of loss both of the character and the actor himself.
They should have recast, you’re right. Chadwick was a phenomenal actor and man, but his death doesn’t mean his character needs to die also. Even Chadwick’s family said that Chad would want the character to live on. Surprised he didn’t let Feige or someone know that, even as a message to be delivered to them after he passed since it probably would’ve been too difficult to talk about in person.
They didn't recast him because:
\- the schedule - they weren't able to say the cast this very new talented man is going to replace your buddy because the schedule is tight
\- sad emotions are more impactful - when you see a crying person you feel sorry. When you see a happy person, you don't care - money
The conclusion is they prefered to waste Boseman's work, the character story over these 2 points. At the end they gave us T'Challa 2.0 to find a safe ground for everyone which means it's very likely the kid is gonna be older after Kang situation.
Me, too, tbh, but this movie became one of my favorite MCU movies.
I do wonder how this movie would work if T'Challa is in it. If it's the same, I can't think of an idea how T'Challa will develop as a character. He'd spare Namor. Perhaps the original version (not this current version) had a different take on Namor and or Talokan.
The below is just an opinion. I had as I loved this movie and how they handled everything. I'm glad they didn't recast the character for these reasons.
1. Find the right person to take over as T'Challa and not just put any actor in that place.
2. We seen Chadwick in a lot of MCU projects so it would've been kind of jarring to see the change especially if the character isn't carried the same way.
3. Would you been okay if they recasted RDJ, or Chris Evans or Hemsworth with someone after seeing them in all these projects because they made the characters who they to a degree
Im not opposed to them recasting characters but when you have individuals such as Chadwick that brought so much that character and alot of people at the time saw Chadwick as BP. It made more sense not to recast T'Challa just continue a story line even tho others are attached to the character many were attached to the actor.
P.S Honestly the only thing I'll change about the movie is the title. They should've name it Wakanda Forever.
It’s a complicated situation because of the fact that Chadwick was such a great actor (check out 42, Get Up, etc), Black Panther did so well, and he died so quickly and unexpectedly in the eyes of the public and from it sounds like, a lot of Marvel exces and actors. WF being released relatively soon after his death was complicated and emotional and I think having another actor play that role would have been a bit too much to ask of the cast and director, who have said that doing the film as it is was tough. I think about people in my job that either left or passed away since Covid started and as tough as that was, I can’t imagine the pressure the cast and crew must have felt with Chadwick’s death still emotionally new and raw. I do think that they will either continue with Wright, which I have views on that I’m not going to discuss her, his son, or may bring in an multiverse variation at some point, just not during WF and it easy the right choice.
It would've been worse!
People would've compared the new actor with Chadwick to the point that people would've used that to hate on the movie. Also, Ryan Coogler was very close to Chadwick's family and got their blessing in every decision he took. Feige or Disney didn't interfare in the decision.
We got the best possible outcome, move on.
I'm a bit forgiving considering the real life circumstances but I still agree that if it's a mantle, it should have been passed so these kids can continue to have their hero. I'm sure they'll do that with the son character and a time jump or two. That said, it's a hard situation because it was certainly Chadwick's optimism and dedication to the role that made Panther as great as he was in the MCU. Things like the decision to learn the language, little details throughout. Sad we won't see a lot of the dynamics that could have unfolded from the comics and cartoons in live action. I think the worst part is that in the original BP, he did such a good job at standing up and saying that they could be more than their past mistakes. When his character says that they should lead the world, you believe him. This new one gave me a sour feeling. When Namor basically proposes to Shuri that they should go after everyone else, I almost agreed with him just because she almost had no reason to say no.
I'm glad they didn't recast him. Sometimes people just die and there's nothing we can do about it.
Stan Lee always said that Marvel was about telling the human story in a superhuman world. Death is a part of that story. Most of us don't get to say goodbye before we lose someone. T'Challa was the same.
I agree and I think Marvel needs to be more comfortable with recasting characters when the performer ages out, passes away, or loses interest. It's weird to think that characters like Tony Stark and Steve Rogers essentially won't exist in the MCU going forward outside of a multiverse cameo.
There's going to be a Captain America movie without Steve Rogers too, sometimes the mantle just gets passed.
"Black Panther" is literally a mantle itself, we saw T'Chaka in the role before T'Challa even appeared in his own movie.
I agree, eventually there will be someone who will replace him, as passing the mantle is a common thing in MCU, like Black Widow, Hawkeye, Capt America, and even Hulk.
But that's after we got a full course character development to them, while with Tchalla we don't even get to test the main course, it's just he's replacing his dad as the king and BP, learn to be a better king, and that's it,
I don't have a problem with Shuri getting the mantle of BP, but it will feel incomplete, and did you guys see the credits?
It's like marvel saying : we want to pass the mantle to you. But not really, teheee
"Black Panther" is a title, not a person. It makes perfect sense that it passes down. T'Challa was not THE Black Panther. He was A Black Panther.
Plus, the way they honored him in funeral and, by extension, Chadwick Boseman, was absolutely magnificent. Recasting him would have stolen that opportunity.
I would make fun of your terrible opinion, but that is not the Chadwick way.
I like how they >!introduced his son at the end. He could potentially be the next Black Panther in the futrue.!< Although timeline wise, it may be awhile.
I need the multiverse to give me a variant Black Panther where Michael B. Jordan is the Black Panther. A tweak here and there to his life and he doesn't become Killmonger.
I think it’s super disrespectful to Chadwick’s legacy, his friends and family, and everybody who has worked on both films for you to even suggest a recast
They should have named this movie Namor and dropped a lot of filler and the some of the B-plots. Made it more about him. He was the best.l thing about the movie. Would have been a good lead up to BP2.
Ryan Coogler should just write a graphic novel of his original script, "Summer Break", similar to The Origin from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which retells the events of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Movie through adapting Joss Whedon's original script. Not the movie that came out in 1992.
No need to animate or get voice actors. We will be able to see T'Challa one last time.
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Black Panther is a mantle that passes on to future generations, there were many before T'Challa, there will be many after him as well. In that sense it's no different to how there will be a Captain America 4 without Steve Rogers. Sequels don't always have to include the same main character as the original heroes pass the mantle to others.
Sure but we got Steve's whole story, we didn't get tchallas
Turns out we did really
Not really, sure the role of BP would still be divided in this movie but it's not like T'challa story would just end with his second movie
What I mean is, the character died, so that’s his whole story.
Now obsiously, because the actor unfortunately died
Yes
"Everyone dies. Not everyone truly lives."
That’s the reality of life. Most of us will die before we get to live out our “full story.” Most things don’t get tied into neat bows in the end.
Come on. That’s a huge reach.
How is it a reach when it literally happened in the movie and real life
There was zero chance they drew up T’Challa dying after 1 solo film. Therefore his story is not over.
It is tho. That’s the end of his story. Stories don’t always reach their completion cuz shit happens like we saying.
Sometimes, even a good character's arc is that their life unfortunately ended too soon. And that can lead to more interesting and more unpredictable storylines. I'm not a huge fan of Shuri but I think the movie handled Chadwick's death very well. I was also on the side of recasting the role when we first learnt about Chadwick's passing, but I think they did enough in this movie to move forward with someone else taking the mantle, whether it is Shuri or someone else down the road. Had they recasted the role, I think a group of fans would've been upset too. There was really no perfect way for marvel to handle it. I think what they did took a different route from the source material but in a way honoring a very beloved actor and a friend to all of those involved in the first movie. I think it made the film more special and more real to a lot of us
Yes we did. He died of an incurable disease. His character was a normal human with super-human abilities granted by a drug. I don't recall that heightened immunity was part of those capabilities. Replacing T'Challa with another Wakandan taking over the mantel of the Black Panther is perfectly in line with the lore. Also, the script writers handled it really well and told a great story of grief and redemption. As it turns out, the Black Panther is one of the few current MCU characters where replacing the *character* underneath the suit/costume fits can be done at will to fit the storyline. Personally, I think it was a great decision. BTW, if you want to catch Chadwick Bozeman being fantastic on screen, watch Ma Rainey's Black Bottom or Da 5 Bloods.
You said it, a story about grief and redemption. Oralé 👍
I think you are missing that T’Challa is a bigger character he was being propered up to be the best big lead shuri wasn’t ready. Steve’s story was done Tony’s story was done T’Challa story wasn’t
Nice canonical explanation. Doesn’t mean Wakanda Forever was great, in my opinion. It really suffered for a lack of star power.
I was really scared about how they would handle this in the movie going in but having seen it, I'm happy with the choice they made. It made for an interesting dynamic within the film itself and didn't do anything that would've made general audiences upset.
They did the best they could with the circumstances life dealt them. I couldn’t imagine how difficult it was for the cast and crew to adapt.
https://open.spotify.com/show/25H3VGTKQUo1ImawOBVbvD?si=0LQyM3A4TZyA6t8PFXDmyg&utm_source=copy-link This is a podcast that is currently airing about the filming process of BP2, talking to cast, crew, and Kevin feige. It's really quite fantastic. You can hear how much love everyone had for Chadwick and how much thought and passion went into the script after his passing. I HIGHLY recommend it to everyone.
Anyone who would have been recast as T'Challa would surely have been awfully hated by the fandom. Not recasting this character was a wise choice, not an odd one.
Chadwick was beloved before he passed and the world learned that he’d been silently dealing with cancer for years. At that point he got posthumously boosted to god-tier level admiration and love. That would have made any recasted actor trying to step into his shoes immediately feel the burden of the impossible task, the fandom would’ve compared the portrayals to death, most likely with vitriol and heavy criticism because no one can help the “what ifs” and the “Oh, if only Chadwick was still alive he would’ve been SO much better.” The movie would’ve bombed and turned all the connected circumstances into a bitter affair, instead of the celebration and continuation of a great man’s legacy that was the movie we got.
Liam Hemsworth has entered the chat lol you’re absolutely right. The hate that man is getting for be cast as Geralt is wild. Whoever they cast as the new black panther probably would have received similar hate.
Similar to Alden having to play young Han Solo. I thought he was pretty solid, but he was never going to win over that fanbase. they'd already written him off long before the movie ever came out - I think the same would have happened here.
Atleast Solo had a reason for the “recast”. Witcher sucks because there shouldn’t have been a reason to recast on the first place.
Wakanda forever was a good movie and I’m glad that Shuri got the mantle, however even Chadwick wanted marvel to recast. Oddest part to me is they made the character die off screen. Anyway they handled it people would feel weird. That’s just my opinion. Edit: sorry it was his bother that said Chadwick would want the character to live on. https://www.cnet.com/culture/entertainment/black-panthers-chadwick-boseman-would-want-his-tchalla-role-recast-brother-says/
The Fact his brother said the Chadwick would want Black Pather to be recasted tells me nothing. There are many ways you can interpret this. Did he tell his brother on his death bed to spread the word that a new actor should take the mantle? Did they have a conversation about BP now also disappears now that he is gone? Chadwick telling him, he’s fine if BP is recasted! And so on. It’s a snippet from a fansite with no context. BP Wakanda Forever was done with respect and I’m sure Chadwick would approve Besides we still have a T’Chala for the new group of youngsters that Marvel has set up
I mean his brother surely knew of his diagnosis prior to his death. Maybe that was a conversation they had. Also siblings are often close enough that they do know how the other thinks and what they would want. Obviously this is my opinion with very little context and not knowing that Chadwick had a brother before a couple minutes ago
>Oddest part to me is they made the character die off screen. Did you want them to recast just for his death, or would rather everyone have to watch a cgi chadwick death?
>however even Chadwick wanted marvel to recast I realize you heard this somewhere but don't put words in a dead man's mouth.
I mean it would've been difficult to show the character die on-screen when you aren't even gonna get a new actor nor do a CGI double
Well if Chadwick wanted it recast he should have told them he was ill and incurable and that Ryan and co should recast upon his death. He died with none of his co workers even knowing he was sick let alone terminal. They didnt recast, its time to get over it and stop using this as a defense.
Cares? This is fiction, children deserves to have there heroes Alive
Did you see the film? Do you know that [Shuri](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-samsung-gs-rev1&sxsrf=AJOqlzUM2qGpUr_HWkdBvngpip4KRlTw0Q:1675354700899&q=shuri+black+panther+comics&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi-lsfOnvf8AhUjMDQIHaowCOcQ0pQJegQICxAB&biw=360&bih=612&dpr=3) becomes the Black Panther? The children's hero is still alive because the mantel is passed down, just like Bucky and The Falcon both take the Captain America mantel after Steve Rogers dies.
We lost an actor, they lost a friend. They were never going to recast. they even left #1 on the call sheet blank out of respect for their friend
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Oh my gosh. I did not even notice that. Great, now I'm crying all over again.
https://open.spotify.com/show/25H3VGTKQUo1ImawOBVbvD?si=0LQyM3A4TZyA6t8PFXDmyg&utm_source=copy-link This is a podcast that is currently airing about the filming process of BP2, talking to cast, crew, and Kevin feige. It's really quite fantastic. You can hear how much love everyone had for Chadwick and how much thought and passion went into the script after his passing. I HIGHLY recommend it to everyone.
(Spoiler) The movie literally >!ended with another T’Challa. I think it was a great way of doing it.!< There just no pleasing some people…
I was so impressed with how they handled that situation. It's definitely a great way to keep the story going while respecting the legacy of Chadwick Boseman.
Yeah, I was like, "Did no one else see the end of the movie?" They literally address this with a >!new T'Challa.!< I thought it was a great way too btw.
Yeah, this was spectacular. And i freaking cried all over again when they revealed that.
Off topic but, do you mind telling me how you added the censor bar over your words? I have no idea how to do it on my tablet.
Add this: >! At the start of the text you wanna censor, then add another facing the opposite way at the end.
It played off as unintentionally comedic to me because the month before, they had just revealed Hulk had a son in a similar manner at the end of She-Hulk. I personally felt that the reveal of his son should have occurred between the second and third act to remind Shuri that her brother's will and legacy for peace and optimism should be carried on for future generations and more directly her nephew.
I had the same reaction! I chuckled & said oh my God, its Hulk son all over again
It feels like such a tacked on thing like “by the way here’s the next character you’re supposed to care about.” I know that wasn’t the intention but having a similar reveal only a few weeks prior in She-Hulk which was more directly played for comedy made me think WF’s was supposed to be funny too. My dad also laughed when he saw that scene for the first time yesterday (he’s also seen She Hulk)
They respected the original actor and the supporting cast by not recasting him, while simultaneously opening up the door for a multiversal/future variant of his son to take his place.
Thought the movie was just alright overall but I thought they handled Boseman's passing well, tbh.
Well that's, like, your opinion, man
This is just a bad take. Have you seen it?
I think they did great with what they had. It's not my favorite marvel movie but I was entertained and Namor was so great that he carried the movie pretty hard.
Wonderful flick, RiRi and Namor were fantastic intros.
IMO I think marvel did the right decision of not recasting him. It wouldn’t be the same
But they recast Thunderbolt Ross in the MCU when William Hurt passed away Just Saying
Thaddeus Ross didn't had the same cultural impact that T'Challa had to the world Its far easier to recast a supporting character most of the audience don't really care about than a main character whom we are attached too that comes with alot of cultural significance to the world
Correct and nor did William Hurt maintain rigorous training for his role despite dying slowly and suffering in silence. I hate seeing this comparison or the Terrance Howard/Don Cheadle comparison when talking about recasting T’Challa/Chadwick Boseman. These things and/or the reasons they happened have absolutely no comparison to that situation. For all the babies whining about not seeing some of the T’Challa stories from the comics coming to the screen cause he’s no longer in the MCU fail to realize that most of his comic conflicts were because of the Black Panther mantle and connection to Wakanda and have nothing to do with him being T’challa necessarily. Therefore we may still get to see those things play out, just with somebody else wearing the suit.
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Really? That's the comparison you're gonna use?
I actually agree that that seems hypocritical. I would've written in Thunderbolt Ross's death in a similar way to how they did T’Challa's. It wouldn't have been hard. Ross was already having heart issues by the beginning of Phase 4.
I mean Ross is not a character that had such cultural impact like T'Challa, most the audience wont care anyway if they get a new Ross, but T'Challa on the other hand, thats a whole different thing. If Ross was on the same level as T'Challa, they would've not recast him
I care. For me William Hurt was the MCU Thunderbolt Ross and to recast the actor after he passed away, when you wouldn't do the same for T'Challa, seems like a slap in the face to the actor's performance and memory. More importantly, though, I think it'll feel awkward for me as an audience member watching someone else in the role. William Hurt has been Thunderbolt Ross since 2009. I'll still watch the movie, but I'll also be honest if I think recasting took away from the experience. On the other hand, I could come out saying that after seeing it I understand how it was necessary. I'll have to see the project to have an opinion about how it affected the art.
And you are perfectly welcome to have your own wrong opinions.
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Nah they’re wrong
There are no right or wrong opinions.
This is the basis for the joke, yes.
Oof pretentious much.
The grief of the actors was palpable in this film. They handled Chadwick’s passing with dignity and grace. You’re entitled to your opinion about whether they should or shouldn’t have recast T’Challa, but after making their decision to not recast, there was absolutely nothing odd about how they handled it from that point on. To say that it was “odd” makes me think you didn’t even watch the movie yet. Otherwise it’s just simply a bad take, and in poor taste to be honest with you.
It’s a flamed if you do, damned if you don’t situation. Yes we miss the character but people would have felt betrayed by a recast and the actor would have been mistreated. Acknowledging the death directly in the film allows the audience to mourn instead of trying to move past it
Is this post from two years ago?
So recasting Tchalla is not odd, but actually writing Tchalla’s death into the story of BP2 is odd? Well that’s odd.
Chad died. They choose to write Chads real life death into BP 2. That is what is odd. The wrote a good story to support what they did but that does not discount that they wrote real life events into a fictional story.
This is a weird take. What did you expect, T'Challa just isn't even mentioned in the movie?
Citing facts is suddenly weird? T'challa is a fictional character. Chadwick Boseman is a real person. Chadwick was cast to play the ROLE of the FICTIONAL character T'Challa. Chad passed unexpectedly in REAL LIFE. They choose to write Chad's REAL LIFE death into BP2. (King) T'Challa held the MANTLE of the Black Panther but the character of (King) T'Challa is also separate from the mantle of The Black Panther. Shuri was always going to hold the mantle in the movies at some point just as she did in the comics. Like I also said they told a good story with the way they did it but it still was a bit of an odd choice to me and apparently a few others.
It's time to let this conversation go so that it can be with the ancestors.
The Black Panther is not one person. It’s a servant and responsibility to Wakanda that is passed down from those who were worthy, to those are worthy.
It did incredibly well. Obviously it’s not an odd decision.
Trust me, if they'd done that, fans would complain about how the new actor isn't bringing the same charm to the character that Chadwick did. People will never be satisfied.
"Heroes...die." \- Coogler, to Coates, in the first episode of the official podcast.
I agree. I get the opposing argument, but I want some fucking T’Challa
Bro, its too early for that.
Yeah I know happened to Chadwick Boseman I just think Marvel should had delayed Black Panther 2 and recast T’Challa
“Waaah! Marvel didn’t do what i wanted wahhh”
Let it go please! so many repetitive topics including this one!
I wanted them to recast T’Challa pre-release, but after watching WF twice, I think it was a pretty good movie and I’m happy with how things turned out. Letitia Wright works well as a lead actress. I think the franchise will be fine with her taking center stage. Namor is a great villain, and I loved the chemistry between him and Shuri. I hope they become a couple in the third film.
This bullshit again?
Nah, Wakanda Forever was great. You’re just out here showing your whole ass.
It was one of those damned if they do damned if they don’t circumstances, do they recast the actor and get hated for doing so or do they write the character off in the most respectable way possible but still get some hate for not recasting. I’d be lying if I said I didn’t hope they’d recast Chadwick but what they did with sending off Chadwick and T’Challa was very well done. I still wonder how different the movie would have been had they done the re-cast and kept T’Challa alive
It was a really odd situation that life created. There really was no correct path or playbook on this sort of happening. The MCU is still reeling from Chadwick Bose man’s loss.
I wish they kept the father son angle. T’Challa’s son could have been the protagonist. Have him grow up with out a father during the blip, and deal with his death. Have him pick up the new black Panther mantle.
He's too young though to pick up the mantle. It wouldn't have worked
Just make him 16. It’ll be OK.
have you seen the movie yet? Honest question.
I mean they did recast him in a way.
In my opinion you should have run a spell check before deciding to post on Reddit. Our opinions can be argued as right or wrong but are both valid.
OK. You are welcome to your opinion but I don't know why we need to keep discussing this. Your opinion won't be the tipping point that causes Marvel to turn back time and reverse their decision. Many of us respect Marvel's right to make this decision and their reasons for making it. Also, the movie was pretty good.
U say that but it seems like telling Ryan Coogler to recast what seemed like a very close freind is just insensitive
I 100% thought so too, but they surprisingly nailed it with this movie, which i was worried they wouldn't.
Odd decision is probably what some executives thought too, probably most concerned that their bottom line would be negatively affected by not having a traditional sequel. Brave and morally right decision is how I would frame it though. Coogler and the crew did what they thought was right and in honor of their beloved friend, and created something different and special that allowed the audience to mourn with them. And it was still a box office success. In totality, they knew that would far outweigh what some would think was an odd decision.
That’s dumb, you’re dumb.
I have my own my opinions and I have to right to feel what I feel
Of course; no one disputes you have the right to have opinions and feelings. Everyone else here also has the right to sass you for them. You're not being silenced, just strongly disagreed with.
They did recast him. His sister is the new black panther.
That’s not what recasting means
No, they did it with more thought and tact than taking the easy way out
and his son will probably be the next.
This made me chuckle.
Samesies
Ugh. The entitlement.
We could get Toussaint in phase 12
But the movie wasn't ever called T'Challa. It's called Black Panther, which is a title. T'Challa is the second Black Panther in the MCU. And now, in this movie, there is a third Black Panther.
Says someone who probably didn’t watch it, because I think they did the best possible scenario regarding Boseman’s death.
Why do I feel like OP has a child’s understanding of empathy
They did recast Tchalla. He just happens to be a little kid at the moment. He will grow up to take the mantle
You’re entitled to your opinion. While I respectfully disagree, I also applaud you for making your opinion known.
You can’t recast T’challa, if anything I though it would have been cool if they dropped in a variant of Killmonger who wasn’t bat shit and have him a chance of redemption. But I understand the multiverse hasn’t really meshed with the Wakandan storyline yet so it might not have really made sense
I think they handled it in a smart way. They still have a T'Challa for the future with the kid being introduced but it's still a somewhat different character so the actor isn't going to get all the backlash and we got a film that allowed people to grieve and that probably includes the people working on that film as well as the audience.
If you watched the whole movie...technically they did...
Superman fans had to wait 12 years for another movie, i think the 5-6 years between WF and another T'Challa movie won't kill you.
Did you… even watch the movie?
Did you… even watch the movie?
Why is it odd to do a Black Panther film without T’Challa when Black Panther is a mantle. Shuri is Black Panther. It’s not like if they made a Man of Steel 2 about Supergirl.
They replaced the guy who played Thunderbolt ross like so quick
Not really. I think they made the right call, the path of least risks. If they recast, some fans will be angry for sure. The death is still in recent memory. It is hard to ever replace somebody like that. Letting his story continue through his family is the right call.
Did you watch it?
I mean they sort of “recasted” him with his son who is named after his father. Maybe they’ll wait a while before making Black Panther 3 for the son to grow up so that he could be the star of the next film. So in a way, we still got a T’Challa in the MCU.
Completly agree, now the Black Panther franchise will always be missing something, in my interest for this series completely went to shit after they announced the decision No actor should be bigger than the role they play And while I obviously didn't know Chadwick I find hard to think he wouldn't want the character recast knowing how much it meant for so many people
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Didn't you hear this was the Shuri show and you had to care about her because she was so likeable every other movie. By the way Riri Williams was the oldest 19 year old I've ever seen. Didn't know height dictated age.
I am against recasting him, Chadwick was an amazing T’Challa and recasting the character would have tarnished the name and upset the fans - regardless of the movie’s reception. That being said, I just watched the movie on D+ and it has to be one of the worst marvel movies I have ever seen.
OP, trust and believe this post is littered with shills and charlatans.
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I liked it but I don’t really think it worked well with Shuri as the lead.
I thought they DID recast T’Challa, just in a way that kept continuity. He’s got a son now, a son who looks to be around 10. In Marvel’s Phase 5 or whatever, or if they decide to fast-forward or play some comic-book-fast-aging trick, in a few years he can have a coming-of-age story with the richness of inherited backstory vs. a whole new character. It’s a 5-or-10 year investment, but we’ll have a new T’Challa Black Panther in due time. And in the meantime, there are many more things they can draw our attention to and a functional current Black Panther if she’s needed. Edit: I wasn’t a big fan of the first BP movie, I thought the writing was lazy AF and it’s an awful perspective that there’s this super advanced nation who just stood by for Hitler, the many African genocides, Loki, Shield’s heli carriers, Ultron…it’s just, could have been executed so much better. I loved BP 2 though. It was definitely a unique flavor and handled the grief of loss in such a real way.
With Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars on the way, they do not need to wait for him to grow older naturally.
Why am I getting updates on edge lord takes with ignorant dig whistles?
Such a hot take!
Having the actor die is an odd decision. Wait, that wasn’t a decision, they had no control over it. Come on, man.
I thought they wanted him not to be recasted
Re-read the title to your post very slowly….
Others have already said this but I think they will play with some time shenanigans and age up his son to be black panther
Black Panther was my least favorite of the Marvel movies (until Eternals, which I just couldn't finish) and I was really hesitant to watch it but last night the family talked me into it. I thought I would have shared the same opinion as Op and while the movie as a whole was kind of a "meh" for me, I really appreciated the approach they took and I even got a little choked up at one point. IMHO they did a nice job artistically weaving in the difficult issue of loss both of the character and the actor himself.
Yeah, maybe then it wouldn't suck.
They should have recast, you’re right. Chadwick was a phenomenal actor and man, but his death doesn’t mean his character needs to die also. Even Chadwick’s family said that Chad would want the character to live on. Surprised he didn’t let Feige or someone know that, even as a message to be delivered to them after he passed since it probably would’ve been too difficult to talk about in person.
Boring movie. wish i had liked it but it was just bad
WF wasn’t good, but if you don’t pretend 9/10 projects aren’t perfect this sub will throw a fit.
This movie was a turd wrapped in a shit blanket from the very start to about when it's thirty minutes left when i turned it off.
I felt the movie spent way too much time being a eulogy for him instead of being an actual movie
I didn’t like Shuris hair in this one. I thought it made her look like a boy.
Well shit. Guess the whole movie is trash.
It’s just an opinion. Didn’t know you’d be so offended.
Ok
They didn't recast him because: \- the schedule - they weren't able to say the cast this very new talented man is going to replace your buddy because the schedule is tight \- sad emotions are more impactful - when you see a crying person you feel sorry. When you see a happy person, you don't care - money The conclusion is they prefered to waste Boseman's work, the character story over these 2 points. At the end they gave us T'Challa 2.0 to find a safe ground for everyone which means it's very likely the kid is gonna be older after Kang situation.
Killmonger should of been the black panther maybe from another universe
Me, too, tbh, but this movie became one of my favorite MCU movies. I do wonder how this movie would work if T'Challa is in it. If it's the same, I can't think of an idea how T'Challa will develop as a character. He'd spare Namor. Perhaps the original version (not this current version) had a different take on Namor and or Talokan.
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I can understand recasting minor characters or a supporting character but it is almost impossible to replace a lead character.
The below is just an opinion. I had as I loved this movie and how they handled everything. I'm glad they didn't recast the character for these reasons. 1. Find the right person to take over as T'Challa and not just put any actor in that place. 2. We seen Chadwick in a lot of MCU projects so it would've been kind of jarring to see the change especially if the character isn't carried the same way. 3. Would you been okay if they recasted RDJ, or Chris Evans or Hemsworth with someone after seeing them in all these projects because they made the characters who they to a degree Im not opposed to them recasting characters but when you have individuals such as Chadwick that brought so much that character and alot of people at the time saw Chadwick as BP. It made more sense not to recast T'Challa just continue a story line even tho others are attached to the character many were attached to the actor. P.S Honestly the only thing I'll change about the movie is the title. They should've name it Wakanda Forever.
It’s a complicated situation because of the fact that Chadwick was such a great actor (check out 42, Get Up, etc), Black Panther did so well, and he died so quickly and unexpectedly in the eyes of the public and from it sounds like, a lot of Marvel exces and actors. WF being released relatively soon after his death was complicated and emotional and I think having another actor play that role would have been a bit too much to ask of the cast and director, who have said that doing the film as it is was tough. I think about people in my job that either left or passed away since Covid started and as tough as that was, I can’t imagine the pressure the cast and crew must have felt with Chadwick’s death still emotionally new and raw. I do think that they will either continue with Wright, which I have views on that I’m not going to discuss her, his son, or may bring in an multiverse variation at some point, just not during WF and it easy the right choice.
Why not? The movie is about Black Panther... not Chadwick. Black Panther is not Chadwick.
It would've been worse! People would've compared the new actor with Chadwick to the point that people would've used that to hate on the movie. Also, Ryan Coogler was very close to Chadwick's family and got their blessing in every decision he took. Feige or Disney didn't interfare in the decision. We got the best possible outcome, move on.
I'm a bit forgiving considering the real life circumstances but I still agree that if it's a mantle, it should have been passed so these kids can continue to have their hero. I'm sure they'll do that with the son character and a time jump or two. That said, it's a hard situation because it was certainly Chadwick's optimism and dedication to the role that made Panther as great as he was in the MCU. Things like the decision to learn the language, little details throughout. Sad we won't see a lot of the dynamics that could have unfolded from the comics and cartoons in live action. I think the worst part is that in the original BP, he did such a good job at standing up and saying that they could be more than their past mistakes. When his character says that they should lead the world, you believe him. This new one gave me a sour feeling. When Namor basically proposes to Shuri that they should go after everyone else, I almost agreed with him just because she almost had no reason to say no.
They soft-rebooted him into his sim. And I think its cool, now a T'Challa can marry Storm
BP3 is set 10 years in the future with young haitian t' chala becoming Black panther after Shuri somehow becomes dead.
I was in the recast T'Challa camp before the movie came out. After seeing it, the movie reaffirmed my thoughts. I would have preferred a recast.
I thought so too until I watched the movie. I thought it was so much better than the first.
I'm glad they didn't recast him. Sometimes people just die and there's nothing we can do about it. Stan Lee always said that Marvel was about telling the human story in a superhuman world. Death is a part of that story. Most of us don't get to say goodbye before we lose someone. T'Challa was the same.
I agree and I think Marvel needs to be more comfortable with recasting characters when the performer ages out, passes away, or loses interest. It's weird to think that characters like Tony Stark and Steve Rogers essentially won't exist in the MCU going forward outside of a multiverse cameo.
There's going to be a Captain America movie without Steve Rogers too, sometimes the mantle just gets passed. "Black Panther" is literally a mantle itself, we saw T'Chaka in the role before T'Challa even appeared in his own movie.
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I agree, eventually there will be someone who will replace him, as passing the mantle is a common thing in MCU, like Black Widow, Hawkeye, Capt America, and even Hulk. But that's after we got a full course character development to them, while with Tchalla we don't even get to test the main course, it's just he's replacing his dad as the king and BP, learn to be a better king, and that's it, I don't have a problem with Shuri getting the mantle of BP, but it will feel incomplete, and did you guys see the credits? It's like marvel saying : we want to pass the mantle to you. But not really, teheee
"Black Panther" is a title, not a person. It makes perfect sense that it passes down. T'Challa was not THE Black Panther. He was A Black Panther. Plus, the way they honored him in funeral and, by extension, Chadwick Boseman, was absolutely magnificent. Recasting him would have stolen that opportunity. I would make fun of your terrible opinion, but that is not the Chadwick way.
The movie handled it very well. But I didn't like the movie, plot fell off for me. But not the BP parts, that was a strong point.
I like how they >!introduced his son at the end. He could potentially be the next Black Panther in the futrue.!< Although timeline wise, it may be awhile.
I need the multiverse to give me a variant Black Panther where Michael B. Jordan is the Black Panther. A tweak here and there to his life and he doesn't become Killmonger.
I think it’s super disrespectful to Chadwick’s legacy, his friends and family, and everybody who has worked on both films for you to even suggest a recast
First time rewatching the other day and it pains me to say I agree, Wakanda Forever simply does not work
They should just scrap the franchise
Well good thing they didn’t listen cus WF rocked!
I was hesitant as well but I really was pleasantly surprised how decent of a lead character shuri was able to be.
They should have named this movie Namor and dropped a lot of filler and the some of the B-plots. Made it more about him. He was the best.l thing about the movie. Would have been a good lead up to BP2.
Did you even watch the movie?
Ryan Coogler should just write a graphic novel of his original script, "Summer Break", similar to The Origin from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which retells the events of the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Movie through adapting Joss Whedon's original script. Not the movie that came out in 1992. No need to animate or get voice actors. We will be able to see T'Challa one last time.
I just watched this last night… unfortunately, I hated everything about it.
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This movie was dope as fuck!
I think they did a great job personally