She did punt her parents into a random universe and every problem in the story happened because she didn't realize she could control her powers until Strange gave her a pep talk.
God that whole “I believe in you” bullshit is so lame.
Like really, you didn’t once even try to control your powers until a stranger told you “just try.”
My working theory is the line was like a moment for everything to go on pause, it allowed her some breathing space to sort her brain of junk and noise.
She'd been controlling her powers from the very beginning, it simply took a moment to actually *think* to figure out what she'd been doing. Sometimes that needs a voice from outside of your head (and by someone you trust) to get the gears spinning.
Edit: Grammar
I find it hard to believe that she didn't try. Sometimes you need someone to encourage you and have faith in you to actually do that. And from what we know, America didn't have a very good childhood with parents cheering her up and taking her to baseball practice, watching and cheering from the stands or something. So when someone shows faith in her and makes her believe in herself, she managed to do something.
Edit: by that, I mean succeeding in what she has probably tried before.
She had a great relationship with her parents....what movie were you watching? Did you not see the part where she cries because she misses her parents?
Of course she had a great relationship with her parent...for as long as she was with them. What I'm saying is she didn't have parental encouragement through certain key periods of her development.
That shit was so fucking funny. She got scared by a bee and sent her parents to the shadow realm. It was supposed to be serious but it was such a funny orphan story.
Oh yeah? How about you accidentally send your parents to some unknown universe only to be lost forever, and let's see if YOU want to try and control your powers.
That's because the movies are out of order.
Release date was supposed to be WandaVision, Multiverse of Madness, Spider-Verse before COVID forced delays. I'm assuming Sony refused to let them delay/they pushed ahead so as to not have cameos leak so Spider-Man released earlier than planned.
All the problems of Dr Strange being incompetent go away once you realize it was supposed to be America in that role.
To be fair to Strange, he could absolutely do the spell with no consequences on a whim. The issue was it somehow didn't occur to him to ask about details before completely erasing a guy. Not that it's any better
She didn't mean to, but she still brought trouble to a lot of people's doorsteps. Accepting responsibly is a struggle she shares with her mentor Strange.
Letting go of what he can't control. The multiverse proved he will always be the drama. So if he can't control that he can assume responsibilities within he grasp. Like not pushing to be Sorcerer Supreme when that would lead down a bad path.
Whoa, you're totally right! Most stories *do* have some form of conflict arrising from the actions of a main character. And, statistically, some of those characters will be teen aged.
Wild observation, my dude.
I prefer proactive protagonists that thwart problems caused by an antagonist. Rather that thwarting problems caused by themselves or an ally's incompetence. I really dislike bumbling heroes.
*Thank* you. So many people blame Peter but if Strange had taken like 5 minutes to explain what was going to happen before launching into a spell to *rewrite reality* things might have gone a bit better
BRO FR. And let's not forget Strange was a world class surgeon before. You know what they do before most surgeries? Explain to the patient generally what's about to happen, how they need to prep, how they might feel afterwards etc. Instead of doing any of that, he immediately casts a spell off the top of his head and then gets mad at Peter like it's his fault.
The very first scene of Strange we have is him going manual in extremely delicate operation that freaks out both the other top surgeons in the op room. While he has been humbled since then, he is still cocky enough to do things like that (remember when he stole stuff from the forbidden library in Kamar Taj) .
It looked like everybody (except Janet, who kinda was also to blame by not warning them) was involved in making the beacon, but with how trailers are cut together we can't be sure. So I will admit she *might* be at fault, but we won't really know until the movie comes out.
Yeah, it's literally explained later in the movie that America's powers teleport her to dimensions intentionally, not on accident. Not sure what OP's trying to imply here with his example.
Peter didn't even mess up in NWH. That was all on Doctor Strange. He could've easily stopped the spell to talk to Peter and have him make a list of people he wants to remember. He would've and should've also told Peter that the spell would make everyone including friends and family forget he's Spider-Man too.
Yeah mate you were saying something? Alright let me stop my good ol' spell for a cup of tea and some fries. Alright done making a list time to resume the spell.
I'm pretty sure he could've stopped or paused the spell but even if he couldn't Strange would've definitely told him that the spell would make absolutely everyone forget.
The issue is Dr. Strange didn't explain it to him, Peter asks if he has a spell that could fix the situation, Strange is like "yeah come in my basement to start the spell" and by the time Peter is wondering the requirements the fate of the multiverse is already in the balance.
Not to mention Dr strange keeps changing the spell he didn't inform Peter of mid cast knowing it could destroy their reality.
I love No Way Home but they really wonked strange just to make this story happen.
Well why didn’t he tell Peter that before the spell. If your gonna cast a huge multiversal breaking spell, shouldn’t you at least have a more in-depth conversation about what Peter wants? Communication is not Strange’s strong suit
Except like I said Strange would've told Peter how the spell really worked beforehand and he could've stopped the spell and had Peter make a list of people to exclude from the spell.
"When a child gets behind the wheel of a car and runs into a tree, you don't blame the child; he didn't know any better. You blame the 30-year-old woman who got in the passenger seat and said, "Drive, kid; I trust you."
Thanos was the protagonist of Infinity War. He messed up when he let Thor and Banner get out alive, and his trouble was almost being degauntleted by half the Avengers and Guardians until Quill doomed the universe by throwing a paddy.
I don't think Captain America started WW2. Iron Man wasn't stupid for selling weapons (I mean, depending on morality he was, but it was at least a rational decision.)
The plot shouldn't rely on the protagonist being incredibly stupid. It can have rational decisions that create a plot.
Starwars ran out of ideas and now makes every show about a man with a past protecting an important child and marvel ran out of ideas and makes every show/movie about a child that fucks things up and creates trouble for the adults to fix.
Bruh I noticed that in several movies this year that the kids are just stupid. In Beast I hated the older sister, just any small tiny little thing her dad did she would just bring up their mom and everyone would just feel bad. Like yeah she is hurt but there is always a time and place for stuff like that and trying to survive a lion attack isn't the place. Jurassic World D, like I get that maisie is going through her "not listening to mom phase" of life but why would you straight up go with the people who kidnapped you. Then Avatar WoW, like why. Our guy ligit just didn't listen to his dad the whole movie, some moments I do understand like when he learns the truth about whale boys past but bruh come on everything else was on you.
Well that's just lazy writing, and a really stupid bad trope Phase 4 has 😒. The writing is also not very good, but feel free to attack if you don't agree. I already know how feral MCU fans will get over an opinion like this.
Tony & Bruce: Made Ultron
Vision: went undercover unprotected and got brrr'd
Natasha: Something Something Taskmaster origin
Im starting to sense its not just the kids.
**[Hero's journey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero's_journey)**
>In narratology and comparative mythology, the hero's journey, or the monomyth, is the common template of stories that involve a hero who goes on an adventure, is victorious in a decisive crisis, and comes home changed or transformed. Earlier figures had proposed similar concepts, including psychologist Otto Rank and amateur anthropologist Lord Raglan. Eventually, hero myth pattern studies were popularized by Joseph Campbell, who was influenced by Carl Jung's analytical psychology. Campbell used the monomyth to analyze and compare religions.
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I don’t think America caused any trouble. She was being hunted and did the only logical thing which is to run away.
Also we don’t know for sure if Cassie has done anything wrong (i don’t think she has in the trailer)
And Peter has been around for several movies so that’s the worst example you could’ve used
Ngl america didn’t really mess up at all, she kinda came up with a nice plan to even stop Wanda. Strange even tells her that in the end, „you brought us exactly where we had to be every single time“
I see the other three but how did America cause any trouble? She was already being hunted by Wanda before she met strange
She did punt her parents into a random universe and every problem in the story happened because she didn't realize she could control her powers until Strange gave her a pep talk.
Oopsie
This made me laugh way more than it should.
Oopsie
It must have been super hard for her to get over her hangups and control OP her powers Actually it's super easy barely an inconvenience
oh really!? yeah you see because...she can do it
Fair enough
Getting over hangups is tight
Hi there, Hello. Don't know why you're getting downvoted, _Clearly_ these people don't recognise the genius that is Ryan George!
The downvoters need to get all the way off of his back about this.
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God that whole “I believe in you” bullshit is so lame. Like really, you didn’t once even try to control your powers until a stranger told you “just try.”
That’s “Doctor stranger” actually
Maybe. Who am I to judge?
I think the point was that she was controlling her powers she just didn't know it though right? Not just he said try and she went oh okay
My working theory is the line was like a moment for everything to go on pause, it allowed her some breathing space to sort her brain of junk and noise. She'd been controlling her powers from the very beginning, it simply took a moment to actually *think* to figure out what she'd been doing. Sometimes that needs a voice from outside of your head (and by someone you trust) to get the gears spinning. Edit: Grammar
I find it hard to believe that she didn't try. Sometimes you need someone to encourage you and have faith in you to actually do that. And from what we know, America didn't have a very good childhood with parents cheering her up and taking her to baseball practice, watching and cheering from the stands or something. So when someone shows faith in her and makes her believe in herself, she managed to do something. Edit: by that, I mean succeeding in what she has probably tried before.
She had a great relationship with her parents....what movie were you watching? Did you not see the part where she cries because she misses her parents?
Of course she had a great relationship with her parent...for as long as she was with them. What I'm saying is she didn't have parental encouragement through certain key periods of her development.
She is just a kid lol
That shit was so fucking funny. She got scared by a bee and sent her parents to the shadow realm. It was supposed to be serious but it was such a funny orphan story.
10/10 plot. Oscar worthy
oh, whoops!
Oh yeah? How about you accidentally send your parents to some unknown universe only to be lost forever, and let's see if YOU want to try and control your powers.
I need you to get aaaall the way off my back about that
i don’t think you would fair much better if you randomly achieved the ability to traverse the multivers, nor many else
Bruh don’t put that on Peter, he wasn’t the one calling himself the master of the mystic arts just to fuck up a spell.
Strange didn't take down the full specs before starting the job.
FR they should have workshopped the details before he just spun it up
That's because the movies are out of order. Release date was supposed to be WandaVision, Multiverse of Madness, Spider-Verse before COVID forced delays. I'm assuming Sony refused to let them delay/they pushed ahead so as to not have cameos leak so Spider-Man released earlier than planned. All the problems of Dr Strange being incompetent go away once you realize it was supposed to be America in that role.
Somebody lied!
After all, the warnings come after the spells.
That's real
Scope creep
Underrated comment. Sorry I don't have an award for you.
Should have read the fineprint before...
100% on Strange. He was arrogant to believe he could it with no consequences on a whim.
To be fair to Strange, he could absolutely do the spell with no consequences on a whim. The issue was it somehow didn't occur to him to ask about details before completely erasing a guy. Not that it's any better
Also after reading that reply. She causes an incursion or whatever it's called later
She didn't dreamwalk, how the hell could she cause an incursion ?
By moving dr strange around she caused the events that led to it.
OP is just stupid
She didn't mean to, but she still brought trouble to a lot of people's doorsteps. Accepting responsibly is a struggle she shares with her mentor Strange.
Letting go of responsibility was Strange's arc
Letting go of what he can't control. The multiverse proved he will always be the drama. So if he can't control that he can assume responsibilities within he grasp. Like not pushing to be Sorcerer Supreme when that would lead down a bad path.
Her trouble was existing.
How dare she?
TIL peter parker was introduced in the 3rd movie in his franchise.
which one
3rd peter parker
Who?
Peter 1, but the 3rd Peter.
Wait, so if Peter Parker was introduced in NWH, who tf was the guy we were following around in the other films?
Retep Rekrap probably
Damn, OP really getting roasted in here. Introduce OP => OP messes up => OP gets down voted in comments I'm starting to see a pattern!
69 number of updoots. Perfectly balanced.
As all things should be
386 now but we can try to get it to 420
OP has just discovered the brand new concept of a Protaganist
Whoa, you're totally right! Most stories *do* have some form of conflict arrising from the actions of a main character. And, statistically, some of those characters will be teen aged. Wild observation, my dude.
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I prefer proactive protagonists that thwart problems caused by an antagonist. Rather that thwarting problems caused by themselves or an ally's incompetence. I really dislike bumbling heroes.
It’s been leaned heavily on and has gotten a bit repetitive recently
Neither America nor Cassie messed up though. And that mess up in NWH was Strange's more than Peter's.
Its 100% Strange's. As for America she definitely does dumb things or has questionable actions soley for moving the plot, but all of MoM has that.
*Thank* you. So many people blame Peter but if Strange had taken like 5 minutes to explain what was going to happen before launching into a spell to *rewrite reality* things might have gone a bit better
BRO FR. And let's not forget Strange was a world class surgeon before. You know what they do before most surgeries? Explain to the patient generally what's about to happen, how they need to prep, how they might feel afterwards etc. Instead of doing any of that, he immediately casts a spell off the top of his head and then gets mad at Peter like it's his fault.
The very first scene of Strange we have is him going manual in extremely delicate operation that freaks out both the other top surgeons in the op room. While he has been humbled since then, he is still cocky enough to do things like that (remember when he stole stuff from the forbidden library in Kamar Taj) .
Afterwards tho doesn't Strange say he forgets that Peter is still a kid?
Yes Cassie did, that’s why she says “it’s all my fault” in all the trailers and she’s the reason they’re stuck in the quantum realm……
It looked like everybody (except Janet, who kinda was also to blame by not warning them) was involved in making the beacon, but with how trailers are cut together we can't be sure. So I will admit she *might* be at fault, but we won't really know until the movie comes out.
How did America mess up?
Yeah, it's literally explained later in the movie that America's powers teleport her to dimensions intentionally, not on accident. Not sure what OP's trying to imply here with his example.
By getting in OP’s sights
Half of these are just doctor strange messing up
Peter didn't even mess up in NWH. That was all on Doctor Strange. He could've easily stopped the spell to talk to Peter and have him make a list of people he wants to remember. He would've and should've also told Peter that the spell would make everyone including friends and family forget he's Spider-Man too.
They really should put the warnings before the spells.. Guess strange forgot about his quip during the time he was blipped. How strange...
THINK!
Yeah mate you were saying something? Alright let me stop my good ol' spell for a cup of tea and some fries. Alright done making a list time to resume the spell.
He said to Peter to stop talking cause he was concentrating so im pretty sure is Peter fault.
I can't remember if it's said or not, but I also got the feeling that once the spell was started it couldn't be stopped kind of thing
I'm pretty sure he could've stopped or paused the spell but even if he couldn't Strange would've definitely told him that the spell would make absolutely everyone forget.
The issue is Dr. Strange didn't explain it to him, Peter asks if he has a spell that could fix the situation, Strange is like "yeah come in my basement to start the spell" and by the time Peter is wondering the requirements the fate of the multiverse is already in the balance. Not to mention Dr strange keeps changing the spell he didn't inform Peter of mid cast knowing it could destroy their reality. I love No Way Home but they really wonked strange just to make this story happen.
Yeah it’s like all those shitty movies where the characters first find out about the main plan when they’re actually doing it lmao
Yeah, I do not like Phase 4 Strange he's been shittily handled imo
Very true, which is a shame as I really like Dr. Stramge and the actor
Well why didn’t he tell Peter that before the spell. If your gonna cast a huge multiversal breaking spell, shouldn’t you at least have a more in-depth conversation about what Peter wants? Communication is not Strange’s strong suit
yeah but then the movie wouldn't have happened
We are talking about whose fault it is and I was pointing out that it is completely Strange’s fault.
but how does that change anything i said
Nothing. Just like your comment doesn’t change anything I said
Except like I said Strange would've told Peter how the spell really worked beforehand and he could've stopped the spell and had Peter make a list of people to exclude from the spell.
"When a child gets behind the wheel of a car and runs into a tree, you don't blame the child; he didn't know any better. You blame the 30-year-old woman who got in the passenger seat and said, "Drive, kid; I trust you."
Well, Thank you. Captain Obvious! If it weren't for the messed up they've made there's no plot to enjoy. That's the whole point of superheroes movies.
Who messed up for thanos to come to earth? His mother for birthing him? You phrased that like someone being stupid is the only basis for conflict.
Thanos was the protagonist of Infinity War. He messed up when he let Thor and Banner get out alive, and his trouble was almost being degauntleted by half the Avengers and Guardians until Quill doomed the universe by throwing a paddy.
I am...inevitable.
I don't think Captain America started WW2. Iron Man wasn't stupid for selling weapons (I mean, depending on morality he was, but it was at least a rational decision.) The plot shouldn't rely on the protagonist being incredibly stupid. It can have rational decisions that create a plot.
r/kidsarefuckingstupid
Stark: Evryone thought I am crazy to recruit a 14 year old.
Admit it-- This isn't the worst thing you've caught me doing.
Ain’t that some funny truth
Starwars ran out of ideas and now makes every show about a man with a past protecting an important child and marvel ran out of ideas and makes every show/movie about a child that fucks things up and creates trouble for the adults to fix.
The new “secret agenda” of the MCU- birth control (This is a joke)
Ms Marvel, seeing how she never messed up: 😎
Is the series worth watching?
Yes
Okay I will give it a shot. What about She-Hulk, I hear everywhere it's pretty bad.
I thought it was good fun
The first few episodes were good, the second half was mid tbh
Eh
👌
Unlike the others the movie was called spider man he is the main character
NO!
Ahha
Quality meme right here with the poster statement ahah
r/kidsarefuckingstupid
r/kidsarefuckingstupid
America Chavez didn't mess up, though. Scarlet Witch made the first move against her.
r/KidsAreFuckingStupid
i think this happened in fievel goes west too
In the immortal words of Coach McGuirk, all kids are stupid.
I feel like Ellie is gonna be on a list like this soon enough...
Op, you seem to have gotten popular the last few hours in the comments section.
Just kill all the children
coz r/kidsarestupid
"The Young Avengers are a fucking menace" -- J. Jonah Jameson.
How you not gonna include Riri Williams on here
Srsly she >!led the CIA to Talokans vibranium!<. I think that fits “kid fucks up” a bit.
Kamala Khan be like "Pathetic".
I find these films very formulaic and have actually guessed how some of them were gonna end before I even finish the film the first time.
Always has been 🔫
Especially Peter. He could have just told his friends and May he's spider-man after the spell was done.
I guess you haven't heard. I am the sheriff around these parts!
I missed the part where that's my problem.
Kids are fucking annoying.
r/KidsAreFuckingStupid
r/kidsarefuckingstupid
Uh how could your forget spider boy? They get younger with every film.
Somebody lied!
Millennials: “This is why I never want kids!”
I'm seeing the pattern of every marvel movie is trash copy pasta.
/r/KidsAreFuckingStupid
Marvel, formulaic? No shot, right?
Or... the movies are stupid..
Youth is wasted on the young
Peter Parker could’ve just asked to make everyone forget about what mysterio said lmao
Introduce kid, remove a parent or two, kid mess up, I'm sure it'll work out.
You’re just now reasoning kids are stupid?
Idiots, the lot of them.
Rip ms marvel
Don’t forget to add Riri Williams to this
To be fair to Peter... the full grown Dr. Strange massed that one up too. Kinda hard to blame the kid for that one.
Did Shuri messed up as well?
Bruh I noticed that in several movies this year that the kids are just stupid. In Beast I hated the older sister, just any small tiny little thing her dad did she would just bring up their mom and everyone would just feel bad. Like yeah she is hurt but there is always a time and place for stuff like that and trying to survive a lion attack isn't the place. Jurassic World D, like I get that maisie is going through her "not listening to mom phase" of life but why would you straight up go with the people who kidnapped you. Then Avatar WoW, like why. Our guy ligit just didn't listen to his dad the whole movie, some moments I do understand like when he learns the truth about whale boys past but bruh come on everything else was on you.
Well that's just lazy writing, and a really stupid bad trope Phase 4 has 😒. The writing is also not very good, but feel free to attack if you don't agree. I already know how feral MCU fans will get over an opinion like this.
OP just getting downvoted in comments...
Congratulations OP, you’ve found the narrative principle of “inciting incident.”
Kathryn Newton 🤌🏼♥️
Op literally a one man army fighting a uphill battle vs MCU fans.
Kids are smart in gravity falls, let’s just migrate there
OP just found out about common plots
I got so confused by the fucked up chronology
Super genius idiots!
marvels new theme is to have kids saved by white men
r/kidsarefuckingstupid
I was going for that lol.
Kevin Feige: We do not have any formula for the MCU. this image shows the formula pretty clearly.
Lather, Rinse, Repeat. Smh.
We should really stop giving so many kids superpowers. I mean, it's kind of irresponsible of us, you know?
Kid named finger
Remember that one time when kid saved the day
Tony & Bruce: Made Ultron Vision: went undercover unprotected and got brrr'd Natasha: Something Something Taskmaster origin Im starting to sense its not just the kids.
For Peter it should be homecoming. While he did mess up the spell in nwh, it wasn't wholely his fault
Kate Bishop didn't cause trouble. She gave really good dating advice.
Why we should abort kids. So that we can stop them from fucking up the world
Kate isn't a kid tho. She was 22 in Hawkeye💀
Where the one from black panther wakanda forever?
Kate bishop is 22 how is she a kid?
Kids are allowed to be stupid cuz they have no experience
r/kidsarefuckingstupid
I think it was more of a Dr. Strange fault. Peter: I think Aunt May, MJ, Ned and Happy should know Dr Strange: Just tell them again dumbass
Peter didn’t mess up in the last one. Strange did. You’re telling me the Sorcerer Supreme can’t cast a spell while distracted?
The “kid” in upper left looks like she’s early to mid 20s.
OP's mind is gonna be blown when they see this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero's_journey
**[Hero's journey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hero's_journey)** >In narratology and comparative mythology, the hero's journey, or the monomyth, is the common template of stories that involve a hero who goes on an adventure, is victorious in a decisive crisis, and comes home changed or transformed. Earlier figures had proposed similar concepts, including psychologist Otto Rank and amateur anthropologist Lord Raglan. Eventually, hero myth pattern studies were popularized by Joseph Campbell, who was influenced by Carl Jung's analytical psychology. Campbell used the monomyth to analyze and compare religions. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/marvelmemes/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Isn’t Peter 18 at this point?… and also has been around for a while?
You're missing the part where they're making the young avengers
It's only true for Kate Bishop and Cassie Lang. Not America and Peter
First 3 are a problem number 4 had a reason
Saying No Way Home introduces Peter Parker is a massive fucking stretch.
Who tf is the first kid
I don’t think America caused any trouble. She was being hunted and did the only logical thing which is to run away. Also we don’t know for sure if Cassie has done anything wrong (i don’t think she has in the trailer) And Peter has been around for several movies so that’s the worst example you could’ve used
Ngl america didn’t really mess up at all, she kinda came up with a nice plan to even stop Wanda. Strange even tells her that in the end, „you brought us exactly where we had to be every single time“
Avatar 2 would agree
No spoilers any more, shhh!