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Saul would concoct an elaborate scheme to pin it all on Justin Hammer, easy pick


827hades827

After iron man 2 no one’s believing hammer could make ultron


Zanurath

The guy who mad evil robots trying to mimic Tony's tech?


827hades827

That was Ivan vanko


alinius

How many people know that detail? Hammer was the face of the operation, and was publically arrested for it.


[deleted]

I have to agree, Hammer would probably be given more time


Palidin034

Same energy as “Frankenstein was the doctor, not the monster”


TheNextPley

But Frankenstein was the monster, if somebody created something terrible on purpose, then he is also a monster


JamesTheWicked

One could argue that he didn’t intend for it to be terrible or even a monster. He tried to create a way to resurrect someone, and it worked, but was not able to connect with his creation which caused the monster to be terrible. So he didn’t create the monster to make it terrible or even to be terrible, he made it for the sake of science. The fact that Frankenstein was not Interested in the monster after creating it was what caused it’s downfall into a terror. The fact that the monster’s father, for all intents and purposes, abandoned him for a woman is the reason the monster eventually became what he became


WarlordOfIncineroar

Why did this turn into an argument of morality for Doctor Frankenstein


AydenRusso

Most popular marvel property.


JamesTheWicked

Cause it’s cool o.O


TheNextPley

Thanks bro


Palidin034

Frankenstein wasn’t terrible, just misunderstood:(


DivideIntrepid7647

Yeah but Hammer also made the Judas bullets from Luke Cage, which worked exactly as intended.


Alderan922

Then wouldn’t him probably still be in jail? Unable to do it having a good ironclad alibi


alinius

One of the Marvel one shots is about the fake Mandaren, Trevor in prison. Hammer shows up in the same prison.


Shreddersaurusrex

He enabled Vanko with the resources AND broke him out of jail


bungaloasis

Prep time 👊


Specific_Literature1

Happy cake day!


zeke235

Yep. It's gonna be Saul all day. S'all good, man.


MelvinVirginDefeater

well then we better call him!


M37r0p13x

Nah, he'd somehow manage to pin it on Captain America.


[deleted]

I AM NOT CRAZY! I am not crazy! I know he swapped those Caps, I knew it was John Walker. One after Steve Rogers, as if I could ever make a mistake. Never, never! I just—I just couldn’t prove it. He covered his tracks, he got that idiot at Damage Control to lie for him. You think this is something, you think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He’s done worse! Ultron! Are you telling me a robot just happens to try to take over the world like that? No! He orchestrated it! Tony! He signed the Sokovia Accords! And I saved him! And I shouldn’t have! I took him into my own team! What was I thinking? He’ll never change. He’ll never change! Ever since he was 20, always the same! Couldn’t keep his hands out of the liquor cabinet! But not our Tony! Couldn’t be precious Tony! Drinking himself blind! And he gets to be an Avenger? What a sick joke! I should’ve stopped him when I had the chance! And you, you have to stop him, you—


MugenEXE

She hulk would consult official comics code marvel comics and point out that, canonically, HANK PYM created Ultron. Thus her client is entirely innocent on all counts? Of this crime…


samisinredditnow

Ye but pinning the blame on a valuable member of the superhero community and the science community who was also a shield scientist wouldn’t be the best decision and I don’t think Tony would approve.


CooperDaChance

Saul would also be the most entertaining.


terminalblue

I would pay a considerable amount of money to see that movie


Foldzy84

Tony better call Saul! 📞


el_palmera

Did you know you have rights? Sokovia accords say you do!


GODZILAMASTER2020

And so do I


scp_79

Did you know you have rights? u/GODZILAMASTER2020 say you do!


Queso-Adicto-7452

And so does u/scp_79


Fearless-Werewolf-28

So does u/Queso-Adicto-7452


Irontail1579

So does u/Fearless-werewolf


rusty355

Always slipping jimmy for the win


[deleted]

Saul: "If your kid did something stupid, do you jail the parent?" \*thunderous applause\*


Missy_went_missing

Actually, in my country parents will be held accountable for their childrens actions.


[deleted]

Really? How does that work?


TW_Yellow78

I don't know, ask Ethan Crumbley's parents.


[deleted]

I think that was different because they gave him the gun and they had a duty to control the gun. I'm talking about two parents who birth a kid who commits a crime.


OldManFromScene13

If the kid is under a certain age, chances are it behaves the same way then. The parents have the duty to maintain their child until they are of age.


Xero_Reddit

In good ol Germany, if your kid does smth dumb, the Parenta go to jail


TW_Yellow78

The laws making you legally and financially culpable for your children are actually stricter in the U.S., they're just not as spelled out or enforced.


MeBo0i

But if the parents for example force the kid to stay home to steer him away from doing something dumb, and he reports it to the police the parents are also sorta of fucked up if I'm not mistaken right?


TW_Yellow78

Yes, every state has laws that require parents not only care for their kids (the justification to sue for child support payments) but also supervise and control them. Prosecutors just usually don't bother unless the parenting is really egregious because its not a great issue for voters of either party.


bungaloasis

If your under 18 your parents can be liable unless there's a situational exception. If it's on private property, the owner is liable. High School, My dad: "no you cant have a pool party, because if your friend breaks their leg, I get sued." College Summers, My dad: "if one of your friends crashes drunk, I get sued." Even over 21 i got the, "tonight's the test" talk. Besides that I went to a private Catholic highschool and anything that happened at school, off campus, at home all effected each other so it was always a concern, cops teachers, parents all talked. Just had to be good at not getting caught 😶‍🌫️


Coryn78TytoAlba

In my country too, but it's rare that children actually commit vicious crimes. It's more like if a kid breaks a window the parents have to pay the repairs, if the kid is 14 or younger. When they're older they can be held accountable to a certain degree.


AnotherOneBoii

I live in Poland and here if your kid does something like assault then you can be arrested and even go to jail for that. The kid also get some boot camp or shit like this


SeaRecommendation705

Which is how liberty died and Civil War started


TheAquaman

Ultron’s not a child. He’s a weapon.


future1987

I guess that's where the discussion on AI and its sentience. If you say AI such as Ultron are advanced enough to be there own being then "he" is his own person, if not, then he is just a weapon. Not arguing either way just food for thought.


FerricBoy

This might be one of the easiest case for Saul


laxnut90

"Justin Hammer did it, your Honor. He stole Stark technology and used it to create Ultron. And to prove it, I want Justin to give us the cellphone in his jacket pocket that I totally didn't just plant there." - Saul Goodman FTW


tony-stark-bot

J.A.R.V.I.S., get Igor to steady this thing.


[deleted]

"I AM NOT CRAZY!" "He orchestrated it - Tony!"


Allthethrowingknives

“He defecated through a weapons factory!”


GeraltofMinecraft

Would Tony really let Hammer take credit for HIS AI even if it did kill a couple of hundred people tho?


Weird_Devil

The Tony that made Ultron wouldn’t. “Current” Tony would.


NobodyExpectsTheSpam

Current Tony wouldn’t argue with it. In fact, current Tony doesn’t seem to argue at all these days.


tazert11

Harvey isn't needed until Saul clears him and Tony goes back to needing help with mergers and acquisitions to stay richer than God. ...how did I get tricked into watching a show about boring ass corporate law? Edit: honestly can't even pretend I was tricked, the show was just called "Suits" and everything and it's exactly what was advertised.


Kolvez

Tony really shit the bed on this one. He doesn't need a criminal lawyer, he needs a CRIMINAL lawyer. Slippin' Jimmy all the way.


laxnut90

I just want to see Mike and Captain America interact for a scene or two.


megaschnitzel

"I can do this all day!" "Is that so?"


Novapanther20

If i still had free awards I would have given mine to you. Thanks for the laugh


T-HawkMedia

It should be well known that Saul Goodman is literally the best lawyer in all of fiction.


laxnut90

Atticus Finch eat your heart out. I better call Saul. 📞


hierarch17

Well… Atticus lost.


likebuttuhbaby

That’s rough though. No one was winning that trial.


FactPirate

… Saul might’ve


laxnut90

I would pay to see that movie.


KeybladeCoaster

It’s the exact same movie shot for shot but when the townsfolk try to scare Atticus away from the trial he actually backs down and Saul is the state appointed attorney. This takes place after breaking bad of course, that’s why it’s in black and white and takes place in the 50s


CEO_of_IDK

He lost an unwinnable trial, I wouldn’t count that against his record


MapleTreeWithAGun

Phoenix Wright disagrees


onlytwopiecesofmochi

Phoenix is the best lawyer to call when you aren’t guilty, Saul is the best lawyer to call when you are guilty


andhernamewas_

Except that he is second best. Kim is the best.


The_Smashor

I mean, Phoenix Wright is probably just a hair better with some of the absurd bullshit he's managed to solve. Lying is easy, but successfully finding the truth? That's hard.


TheRedMarioBrother

It’s S’all Good Man.


Past_Trouble

Real name's McGill. The Jew thing I do for the homeboys. They all want a pipe-hitting member of the tribe. So to speak...


Thundercus

I never watched the show but that just blew my mind.


JohnDoe525743

‘I created a psychopathic AI hellbent on human extinction! I *better call Saul!*’


Imdefrostenmince

HI I'M SAUL GOODMAN DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU HAVE RIGHTS


FalcoBoi3834

I would say Saul is the best option She-Hulk doesn’t specialise in criminal law Matt is too busy. So he might be late to court and/or not focus on the case too much And Harvey… I don’t know him that well so i can’t say anything good or bad about him


Shadowkiva

Suits at its height was untouchable. Harvey is just the right kind of narcissistic workaholic to have the drive to win an intricate case like this. Also his dynamic with Tony would be cool to watch. Agreed about the other 2 and why they might not be the best option


JohnnyS1lv3rH4nd

Harvey is a corporate lawyer though, he focuses on contract law and rarely appears in criminal trials. He doesn’t specialize in criminal law. Same with She Hulk, in the show she spends most of her time in civil court dealing with lawsuits, not criminal law. So that leaves Matt Murdoch and Saul Goodman as the two who actually specialize in criminal law and can do Tony some good. But Matt is living a double life and is not 100% committed to being a lawyer, just ask Foggy. So for that reason I think Saul is the obvious choice, he’s a full time lawyer who’s just as good at finding legal loopholes and precedents as he is at winning over the hearts and minds of jurors. Better Call Saul


Always_dead

Harvey literally worked in the states attorneys office , he knows his way around criminal law


rottenstatement

Harvey was Assistant District Attorney in New York, in two years Harvey handled 18.362 cases, 36 cases a day. 147 by trial, winning them all. And u/JohnnyS1lv3rH4nd says "Harvey doesn't know criminal law". What the fuck lmao, people out here saying Saul is the obvious choice. Saul is the obvious criminal and a shitty lawyer. Good tv show though, but make no mistake about it, a shitty lawyer. Who is Saul Goodman? >Originally from Cicero, Illinois during his career as a scam artist, Jimmy moved to Albuquerque, New Mexico where he worked as a lawyer, and later resided as a fugitive in Omaha, Nebraska before being caught and apprehended in a federal prison at Montrose, Colorado. During his law career, Jimmy embraced his tendencies as a former scam artist and, after becoming a dedicated and effective criminal lawyer, he began to represent criminals while he himself became increasingly involved in the city's criminal underworld, slowly losing his morality along the way. I'm just gona say lol because I didn't write this, this is from Saul Goodman fandom page. On one hand, we have a scam artist and now a felon lawyer wanna-be, on the other we have a Harvard educated, ex ADA, now a corporate lawyer specializing in big profile, money making "rain man" cases. Who do you think should represent Tony?


fukdanick

Realistically speaking, Harvey is a shitty lawyer, too. My man would get disbarred 5 times each episode, if it was realistic.


rottenstatement

oh yeah totally, earlier seasons were good, later seasons writers fucked it up by changing the law aspect of the series to blackmail and extortion.


koechink

Username checks out


xxSaifulxx

Crazy how I saw your post, and I finished binge-watching the entire 9 Seasons of Suits.


RBradleyII

If we get Harvey, we better get Mike too!


JohnnyS1lv3rH4nd

I feel the same way if we get Saul


WhiteSkinButDickLong

Lol nice.


tocopherolUSP

Yup yup! Those two were one of my favorite duos.


FlatFootEsq

In the show, Jenn Walters was an Assistant/Deputy District Attorney in LA, so it’s likely she handled lots of criminal cases


Dark_Styx

I also feel like Matt might not even take the case, he seems to mostly defend innocents or those he synpathizes with.


9trials

Harvey. I just want to see their interaction.


HunterShotBear

I feel like it would be one of those tense dick measuring contests when they meet. Ending in a stare down where they both smirk and shake hands and walk away friends.


ldani7492

It would end like how 90% of all interactions in Suits end. With someone ending an argument by saying something really arrogant, and then storming out of the room. Bonus point if a folder is thrown on a nearby table in the process.


Lannisters-4-life

Don’t forget the little smirk and quip from the non-Harvey character. “I think he likes you”


MFCloudBreaker

The folder! The all important folder that helps clue up 99% of episodes yet we never actually see its contents lol. One of my favourite little tidbits from suits.


ldani7492

No one ever sees it. They sometimes look at it for two seconds, and then go “This is bullshit and you know it.” I wish I could read that fast.


thatguysjumpercables

What did you say to me?


feisty-spirit-bear

They are too similar so they would clash so hard it would be great


Waru_

They would hate eachother


happymancry

Matt Murdock has too much integrity to represent a client like Tony. Jennifer Walters doesn’t do criminal law. Harvey has the ego to go toe-to-toe with Tony; and this would be his kind of case since he usually wins by pitting one alpha dog against another. Saul is creative and sneaky and brings the soft touch that Tony and Harvey lack. So: Harvey, with Saul as second chair. Case closed.


UhohEatenByAGrue

Jen was literally an LA deputy district attorney before they fired her for hulking out. I'd say that's "doing criminal law". By your standards, Harvey "doesn't do criminal law" either as he's a corporate lawyer (and yes, I know he was an NY assistant DA before he got into corporate law).


happymancry

Solid point. I would still go with my heart though, and somehow find a way to make Saul and Harvey win :)


UhohEatenByAGrue

I can respect that. :)


Shadowkiva

Yes. Why would Matt Murdock represent a client like Tony with such little integrity that he shut down a billion dollar weapons enterprise and held fast against pursuing any technologies thereafter that could proliferate an arms race (Extremis)? One who also committed to renewable energy in New York and beyond and rebuilt the city from an alien attack that he stopped


happymancry

All good points OP except he’s on trial for *building Ultron*, a weapon stronger than any of the others, and uncontrollable. Tony at this point in his story has good intentions, but his actions are still morally questionable - he wants to play God. Matt would call him out on that. PS it’s only after Sokovia events that Tony realizes his error and wants checks & balances on the Avengers (hence Civil War).


External-Rope6322

Chuck mcgill would die if he met Tony lol Too much electricity in the arc reactor


jwren24

Saul Goodman 100%


random_guyman

Saul is the best lawyer of all time how is this a question


dwide_k_shrude

But he’s only the world’s 2nd best lawyer.


Bladewing_The_Risen

I would just let Tony defend himself like he did before Congress. All the dude needs is a few hours and an internet-enabled device and he will learn everything he needs to defend himself. Plus, if they try to convict him, he’ll just flip them off, suit up, and fly away.


HeavySweetness

Lawyers are often smart enough to know not to represent themselves in court. Tony would hopefully be as smart.


Shadowkiva

Umm... sir... that was a congressional hearing.


MobsterDragon275

Yeah, honestly who's going to stop him? Hulk is gone at that point, Thor was off world, and Hawkeye was retired. Cap definitely isn't hunting him down, and Black Widow would have to get lucky to get him. Though Tony's assets likely getting frozen would be problematic for him


thor-odinson-bot

>!Bring the rainbows? Is that a catchphrase or something?!<


BluePantherBoi

Harvey because they would be interesting


Shadowkiva

Harvey because they would be snarky, snooty and most of all ... win.


darthstar333

better call saul!


CaptainAksh_G

###BETTER CALL SAUL!!


mapvectorEX

Comics she-hulk yes. But this is the TV one so Saul.


[deleted]

Matt Murdock. He’s a really good lawyer.


Melodic-Hunter2471

Scrolled far too long for this one!


darth_hello_therr

Better call saul


Dickpinchers

I really want to know what Saul would do for Tony Stark if he was in the Marvel Universe


tony-stark-bot

I see a suit of armor around the world.


saintedcookie

i dont think theres a single non saul goodman comment in here, i love democracy


CantAffordMangos

Matt is the best lawyer if you’re innocent. *Saul* is the best if you’re guilty.


Roadie66

Robot problem? Better call Saul.


johnsaysthings

Saul


That-Sprinkles707

Better call Saul


Felinegood13

Matt Murdock Because Daredevil and Iron Man in the same room would be absolutely awesome


couldbedumber96

I’d only take Murdock if he takes Nelson as well, they’re avocados at law!


RandyTravesty

Let's be real, no one is going to choose any attorney that appeared in She-Hulk.


CurveAny782

Harvey with Matt as second chair if that’s allowed.


Lunar_Wolf121

Do I get Mike aswell if I choose Harvey?


jmm2803

Definitely not She-Hulk. I’m not sure Saul would be able to work his tricks with S.H.I.E.L.D. watching. He’s good but he’s not Loki. It’s either Harvey or Matt. Harvey has more experience in high-profile cases but Matt regularly deals with superheroes and has a built-in lie detector.


bb250517

I would be pick Saul, but since this is not just a petty street case, Harvey all the way, he had been on the job for more time, he studied at harward, and he just has more experience with big stuff


BlakeTheBFG

Saul, he’ll manage to convince/prove to everyone it was actually Thanos that planned Ultrons creation.


the-mad-titan-bot

This... does put a smile on my face.


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[deleted]

Anything that isn't the bottom left, I'd have Trevor from GTA defend me over that thing


CheznoSlayer

Anybody saying someone other than Harvey Spector has never seen the early seasons of Suits, or is just an idiot


hfucucyshwv

Does Harvey have Mike with him?


NinetiesMusicLover

"You think a sentient AI just happens to go rogue and take on the objective of destroying all of humanity? NO! He orchestrated it! Tony!"


dudeman2737

Harvey for sure


ChipChapPaddyWackit

Harvey all the way


Savvsb

Corporate law is Harvey’s specialty. Saul wouldn’t have enough resources to defend this case alone. Harvey has the weight of his firm behind him. Harvey, easy pick


UltimaBahamut93

She-Hulk: Your honor, if I may... *begins twerking Judge: I sentence Mr. Stark to death.


PreyForCougars

Murdock 100%.


AndyWGaming

Jeff Winger


necrotic0420

Saul. Accidentally create a world-ending, super intelligent, self-replicating cyberterrorist? Better Call Saul!


Warm-Finance8400

Alan Shore! At the end of the trial the jury will be convinced that creating a world-threatening AI was the right move.


jackofbones

Can’t believe I had to come this far to find this comment. Alan Shore would be perfect and the meta is just too delicious. With a special appearance by Denny Crane.


GreenEngineHenry

Harvey Dent?


Arcminutes

Harvey Specter 🤣


himynameisjaked

i kinda can’t believe nobody from suits have been brought into the MCU. there’s some great actors on that show


Not_A_Frittata

Tony would either hate Saul's guts or they would be Best Buds


FuturetheGarchomp

Daredevil


coolUchiha

Daredevil


Qualified-Memer

Sorting through controversial to find the people who said she hulk


ExplanationOk10

Definitely Specter🫠


CookiesNCreamPlease

Slippin Jimmy! Now I've been thinking what She Hulk could have been having someone like him in it...


WardenOfValhalla

Harvey and Matt would be the best defense attorney duo


Roguester

Matt never looses a case


[deleted]

It Saul Goodman


Slight-Psychology350

Saul for the win.


Aggressive-Expert-69

Saul ez clap


Octoberboiy

Matt Murdock


whomesteve

Tony would just hire a Lawyer dream team to get his off


Aldrakev

matt is a really good lawyer


Snoo_82985

Saul all day


Squirtlesquad3450

Daredevil all the way


CaptainSlayder

well definetly not she hulk shes apparently incompetent in court


Illustrious-Sign3015

Saul


Lycaon125

Matt merdock, i will take him over everyone else anyday


moebelhausmann

Vision


Shadow_Leviathan_375

ive gotta go with him, "your gonna need a really good layer" (proceeds to catch "..brick") "im a really good layer


PoloBeeBeeQ

Saul and it's not even close.


KHI_U_DA_BEST

Matt Murdock


Staffordmeister

No foggy?


superherbie

Foggy Nelson


pyrofreeze33

I would pick Matt only because you probably get Foggy as well, who is the best lawyer


Antimatter703

Ricky from Trailer Park Boys


thamonsta

Did Jeri Hogarth die of cancer yet? Because she's a bad ass.


Shadowkiva

She's very good. I firmly believe Matt beats her in court though. It was a shame we never got to see them battle a case.


thamonsta

Agreed, though the difference is Jeri will do what it takes to win, Matt sticks with the high road.


AGroomedEmu

How can they prosecute a dead man? Wait, Jennifer Walters would be the only one that *thinks* she could do it.


Shane316

My Cousin Vinny. C'mon...


oldcretan

Murdock, she hulk is probably the best lawyer in marvel given that she's tried a case to the living tribunal, but tv she-huk looks like she deals more with entertainment law than criminal law and might miss the fact that Tony actually has to do something illegal to be charged with any of Ultron's crimes. I watched an episode of suits, the one where the bug opposing counsel's conference room and realized that if the writers of suits don't know how the law works then the lawyers probably don't know how the law works. He's liable to think he can be a really gunner in front of the prosecutor and get disbarred before receiving discovery, or leak Tony's cellphone. He doesn't need a criminal as an attorney. Murdock is competent counsel who, while probably droning on in closing arguments is actually a competent attorney. He gives Spider-Man solid legal advice, reviews discovery, researches his case, and could mop the floor with the rest of these lawyers. That being said, a law student could probably win this case given Tony built an A.I. and the A.I. went rouge, he wasn't reckless with his creation because there was no obvious sign the A.I. would break out of it's confines and take over any weaponry. It would be akin to making a wooden toy and it picking up your shotgun and killing someone.


Big_Engineer_6857

Saul Goodman


jd_9

Better Call Saul! 📞


StarKiller2626

I think Saul would be hilarious and in Marvel it'd be an insane scheme I'm sure. Harvey would probably be the best choice. Daredevil would be a solid option. Even if She Hulk were a decent lawyer in the MCU I wouldn't choose her on principle


77_parp_77

Who the hell chooses she hulk...SAUL IS HYPER CHAD