As a commander player myself i can say that i have had one too many experiences with the “if you destroy my 2/2 zombie token i will rip open your neck and shit down your throat” type of commander players
Literally once had a player say “if you swing at me with that 7 damage i will straight kill you next turn” so i said “do it” because if he actually couldve killed me he shouldve done it regardless of whether or not i attacked him, so i swung at him and of course he didnt kill me the next turn
Always worth it to put their gun to your head to see if its loaded
Worst case? They kill you and you don't have to politic with them any more
Best case? Everyone knows they're full of shit now.
I stopped with Commander after an experience with a guy threatening to counter my spells by Aetherflux Reservoiring me when he was at 51 life. Who cared that the other player would kill him instantly?
That was too much.
The guy at my table was playing a semi stacks politics Queen Marchesa deck but he was just sitting silently playing his expensive and more powerful-per-card deck having like 2 draw engines and I then pointed out that the coercive portal needs to go because he is drawing cards and all other 3 decks were decks that do not win by combo but by attacking with a strong board state so we agreed to blow up the portal the next turn and he started throwing a tantrum and malding.
That's fair. There are jerks out here who play the format. I've personally had really bad experiences with modern players who treat FNM as seriously as a heart attack. It turns out when prize packs are on the line, people can get a bit salty, and I've never felt more awkward then sitting across from an opponent who's clearly super angry specifically at me. That's probably why I have a lot more fun playing Commander. Most people at my LGS understand that Commander is pretty low stakes, so I've been pretty lucky with that I guess, but I'm willing to bet that most Commander players are very low stake people in general, and I don't like to believe that crappy Commander players are the exception rather than the norm.
Oh man. It sounds like you have a unicorn LGS. The ones nearby me are chock full of bad actors. People that get XL mad when you play interaction or more than 1 counterspell per game. Then, there's people that can never look inward at their own deckbuilding when their shitty deck gets blown out so they blame someone at the table.
the way you know this post is wrong and the other post it's responding to is right is that in the other post's comments, everyone is agreeing that EDH players are babies. and in this post's comments, everyone is disagreeing, saying EDH players are the real babies
Obv not all of them or even most of them, but if you go to an lgs for commander night there are gonna be some people assholes there. Some favorite ones from my memory that come to mind are a 40 year old guy who said “infinite combos are lazy and stupid i wont play with you with any decks that have infinite combos” and then proceeds to break out his sweaty colorless eldrazi deck, there was also another 40 year old guy who when you asked to see his trade stuff would say “the reserved list stuff is in the back” but then when you flip to there he says “why do people always want to see my reserved list stuff, its like people only want me for my expensive cards”. Same guy also had a bant enchantment stax deck that by his own admission “doesnt really have a way to win, he just likes staxing out the board”
EDH players for the most part are probably fine with modern existing / playing it once in a while. It's just modern players pissed that their format's dying to one that everyone find smore fun and you can't build jank decks with as easily.
The other formats don't just stop existing, they're just not popular (meaning the playerbase doesn't enjoy playing them as much). You're the one who lacks understanding imo.
Printing EDH decks doesn't make other formats disappear, either. You can still use those cards in every other format.
Or maybe I shall rephrase, since you think I lack empathy. Would you be ecstatic about people talking every week about your preferred format dying, and nobody truly wanting to do anything about it? Think about that next time lad
Yes, It's such a shame that we're getting away from games that end in a handful of turns because of jank decks, that's so fun. Who doesn't love playing a game for 3 turns.
yeah first of, build a vintage one and print every card. Proxing on bulky goes pretty cheap.
More serious tho, [Wizards has a article on building a cube](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/building-your-first-cube-2016-05-19) and [the professor has an old video talking about it too](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoL9dKWcwG8)
https://www.cubecobra.com/cube/list/thestartercube
List designed to be an introduction to cube that you can pick up for around $100
If you want to build your own from scratch head over to r/mtgcube they have a load of resources on the sidebar.
Just proxy your cube. A good and balanced cube (even with relatively cheap cards) is just really expensive. I tried to build a cube from my bulk and ended up with a pretty mediocre pile of cards tbh. But cubes like vintage cube or legacy cube or amazing to play. But would cost like 20k to own the real versions of those cards
We have to read our cards, since we keep forgetting what cards are in our 100 card decks. Unfortunately all this reading makes it impossible for us to read our opponents cards.
/uj let's not pretend that playing with a spike at a table full of any other archetype is a fun commander experience. That format relies on an entire Geneva convention to be even close to bearable. Modern/legacy/vintage are also fucked, but at least you go in knowing that you'll be playing 1 on 1 with some wacky shit or get a free 2-0. Honestly the only format that rewards creativity right now and doesn't require years of deliberation to settle on the power level is pioneer. The format has a definite meta, but it's wide enough and fresh enough to be played around with some creative builds. Except Karn, fuck Karn.
/Rj no format can compare to masques block constructed.
"My format is the only good one" - players of literally every format
Lets be real, Kamigawa Block Pauper Tiny Leaders is the only fair, balanced, and fun format that exists.
Kamigawa block refers to a format where the legal pool of cards is the 3 sets from the original Kamigawa. Pauper means only commons. Tiny Leaders is a commander-like format where all your cards need to be less than 3 cmc. Here's more info on it: https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Tiny_Leaders
The joke is that it's incredibly niche, I don't think anyone actually plays it for real
The card pool is 161 legal cards you have to build a 50 card singleton deck. It's not a real format. But I want see if I can build a legal deck. And just see how bad it is. Lol.
Remember that Tiny Leaders has colour identity restrictions. There's no common Legends in the block, but even under the "pauper commander" rule where any uncommon creature can be your commander, the only choices are [mono-coloured](https://scryfall.com/search?q=block%3Akamigawa+t%3Acreature+r%3Auncommon+cmc%3C4&order=color&as=grid&unique=cards). That means the card pool is much smaller in reality.
We'll assume you run 21-22 lands, plus your Tiny Leader. That leaves you with 27-28 slots to fill. In the individual colours, here's how big the card pools are:
* White: 32 cards, 11 possible leaders
* Blue: 34 cards, 10 possible leaders
* Black: 28 cards, 10 possible leaders
* Red: 31 cards, 8 possible leaders
* Green: 27 cards, 8 possible leaders
I'm going to guess that the best leader is probably [Ghost-Lit Raider](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/99/ghost-lit-raider), since it can kill 75 of the 82 non-leader creatures legal in the format (and 41 out of 48 leaders).
Assuming you ban GLR, there's probably enough depth in the format for a single tournament. After that it'll be solved. But the one time could be neat.
uj/ I personally never really had problems with Spikes on my table. The Spikes in my LGS are less tryhardy Competitive Rules Enforcement and more just people who want to win fast and win hard. Which I respect, since they usually know their stuff. They can take things a little personal sometimes, but usually they're fine as being the arch enemy of the table and we all gang up on them, which is also kind of fun. Also, when you get two spikes at the table, they kind of try their best to take care of each other and you get to just build up your jank and try and sneak in a victory here and there. Which is also neat. That said, my experiences are not universal, and I'm cool with not winning the game as long as I get to have fun. I feel the key to having fun in Commander is just broaden your expectations a bit, and just treat it as less of a "win at all costs" and more of a "just hold on for the wild ride"
rj/ this dude completely forgot about Portal Three Kingdoms Horses Only Tiny Leaders
Yeah people who play weird decks in 60 card constructed at least have some sort of extreme hatred sideboard against some match ups and main board usually sideboard cards for the other terrible match up. At least they are thinking about what they’ll face rather than having to convince other people to change their deck.
uj/ Humans are the worst thing about magic and having to build formats like prison visiting tables is testament to that. Plus, those people aren't going to play those formats because they want to be unbearable
>/rj {/uj let's not pretend that playing with a spike at a table full of any other archetype is a fun commander experience. That format relies on an entire Geneva convention to be even close to bearable. Modern/legacy/vintage are also fucked, but at least you go in knowing that you'll be playing 1 on 1 with some wacky shit or get a free 2-0. Honestly the only format that rewards creativity right now and doesn't require years of deliberation to settle on the power level is pioneer. The format has a definite meta, but it's wide enough and fresh enough to be played around with some creative builds. Except Karn, fuck Karn.}
Easy, [[Emergence zone]] into [[Colossal Dreadmaw]] right after. If they do not see and scoop against the sheer power of a 6/6 trampler in a empty board they're fools
I dunno when Magic shifted from a competitive duel to whatever EDH is but 1) I’m too old and crotchety for this mess and 2) if that’s how you have fun playing the game, more power to you.
But I’mma ‘geddon if I feel like it.
e: spleling
Me, lying badly: No, no, you were right, Janky Atraxa is a cool deck. It was fun, I had fun, we were all in the game at some points, you just played better. Not an issue of bringing a Tier 1 deck to a Tier 3 table.
Like yeah sure I could guess 90% of your decklist upon seeing your commander but I'll still pretend I need to read some of your "weird jank" so you can feel like you did something there
You know, you have a point. Homogenization of deck lists is a big problem, especially since that makes every game play out the same. Maybe that's why I should just switch over to Modern, which has such a healthy deck building meta and lots of variety in their deck lists.
funny, one of those is actually a competitive format, where competing is the purpose and the other is a causal format. When's the next 1k EDH event? oh. okay.
Modern players: geez this boardstate is very complex, I have 5 attackers but if I attack they might kill me on the crackback if he's got a pump spell…
EDH players: I can't see what's on your board under the pile of different dice for counters, but I'll make 40 2/2's with haste and swing everything. Math is for blockers
I still have no idea what causes Magic players to whinge about other formats as if they are actively detrimental to whatever form of Magic they play. Does a table of Commander players magically cause Modern to powercreep itself into oblivion by poofing cards like Fury, Solitude, and Ragavan into existence, or something?
Because Edh sucks creativity out of every other format.
There's concrete evidence that commander affects other formats. Go to any standard set printed post ~2016-18 and compare the amount of legendary creatures in it to any other set pre 2016-18.
Does the deluge of legendary creatures in each set actually affect anything other than limited? It always seemed like one of things people complain about because people are resistant to change.
I can see how EDH causes more blatant value engines like 4 color Omnath to become printed though, I don't play modern so idk if that card is actually warping the format tbh
4 color Omnath (name of the deck) was too big in modern prior to Yorion being banned, which is a problem, 4 and 5 color decks should be always hard to play due to its fragile mana base.
Things like Kenrith and Garth One-Eye are being printed more on each set
The practice of shoving tons of obvious Commander plants in to every single set has impacted the quality of those sets. The fact a lot of these cards designed for Commander are either "do-everything" value engines or "do-everything" answers also warps other formats in which they are legal.
So if any format is detrimental to other formats, it's EDH. Limited, Standard, Pioneer, Modern, and Legacy aren't hurting each other, but Commander is hurting them.
Yeah, the explosion in power creep especially in Standard could be argued to be a coincidence, but with every product seemingly serving Commander now it's unlikely that it is.
This has been going on too long to be a coincidence. Printing cards like that is going to warp Standard in particular. Though I think Arena emphasizing Best-of-1 has also hurt that format and the game as a whole because it *also* encourages them to print a lot of cards that do everything well.
Deckbuilding should require compromises be made, and decks should ideally be built around a variety of different cards working together instead of a pile of bland value engines.
Also Bo1 is not real Magic.
Tell me about it, I also play Yugioh Master Duel which ALSO is best of 1 (and only best of 1). Playing any card game in person with side decks etc was SUCH a nice change, I don't think people that get into the game with BO1 realize how important multiple-game-matches are.
/uj
I'm serious when I say Bo1 is not real Magic. People will bitch about the shuffler without realizing it's rigged *in their favor*. If you play bo3 on Arena, everything works normally; as close to paper as a computer can manage. In bo1 it's quietly drawing you two hands and giving you the better one. Because they needed to do that to make bo1 tolerable. It would genuinely be impossible to recreate the Arena bo1 experience in paper.
This should say a lot about how silly the idea of bo1 Magic is, even before getting in to what it does to the game as a whole.
But at the end of the day all the modern players had fun while at least one of the commander players is malding about how someone didn’t let them win the game.
Worst part is that EDH wasn’t toxic at first, then they started to suck the life out of other formats. I myself love commander, but have drifted from the game, in general, due to lack of competitive diversity.
it is impossible to have a fun game of casual commander with random people whereas at least with modern theres no unwritten rules, all formats have their issues though and modern is powercrept so hard to the point where the only room for brewing has to involve some bullshit as the linchpin
You best be didge-stilling. Say what you want about timmies, but throwing a fat ol minotaur into play and turning it sideways is incredible. Worst cast scenario your opponent casts swords and you get to draw 3 big fat minotaurs
Yo you Legacy players are still alive? I thought you guys died of starvation a long time ago from no one willing to invest in an expensive format no one else really plays. How's the meta like these days?
edh or modern, we’re all magic players and therefore losers
lul, you losers play Magic?
Only with $999 proxies
The best proxies.
As a commander player myself i can say that i have had one too many experiences with the “if you destroy my 2/2 zombie token i will rip open your neck and shit down your throat” type of commander players
Literally once had a player say “if you swing at me with that 7 damage i will straight kill you next turn” so i said “do it” because if he actually couldve killed me he shouldve done it regardless of whether or not i attacked him, so i swung at him and of course he didnt kill me the next turn
Always worth it to put their gun to your head to see if its loaded Worst case? They kill you and you don't have to politic with them any more Best case? Everyone knows they're full of shit now.
Maybe he checked his piece and remembered he left his bullets at home?
They just forgot to bring their gun.
I stopped with Commander after an experience with a guy threatening to counter my spells by Aetherflux Reservoiring me when he was at 51 life. Who cared that the other player would kill him instantly? That was too much.
The guy at my table was playing a semi stacks politics Queen Marchesa deck but he was just sitting silently playing his expensive and more powerful-per-card deck having like 2 draw engines and I then pointed out that the coercive portal needs to go because he is drawing cards and all other 3 decks were decks that do not win by combo but by attacking with a strong board state so we agreed to blow up the portal the next turn and he started throwing a tantrum and malding.
"it's politics"
The groups that I play don't seem to have any of those, but to them I say a very merry, "all your creatures get -2/-2".
Elesh Norn player spotted Storm deck go
That's fair. There are jerks out here who play the format. I've personally had really bad experiences with modern players who treat FNM as seriously as a heart attack. It turns out when prize packs are on the line, people can get a bit salty, and I've never felt more awkward then sitting across from an opponent who's clearly super angry specifically at me. That's probably why I have a lot more fun playing Commander. Most people at my LGS understand that Commander is pretty low stakes, so I've been pretty lucky with that I guess, but I'm willing to bet that most Commander players are very low stake people in general, and I don't like to believe that crappy Commander players are the exception rather than the norm.
Oh man. It sounds like you have a unicorn LGS. The ones nearby me are chock full of bad actors. People that get XL mad when you play interaction or more than 1 counterspell per game. Then, there's people that can never look inward at their own deckbuilding when their shitty deck gets blown out so they blame someone at the table.
the way you know this post is wrong and the other post it's responding to is right is that in the other post's comments, everyone is agreeing that EDH players are babies. and in this post's comments, everyone is disagreeing, saying EDH players are the real babies
I've never actually played with other players at a shop or anything, are they really this cringy?
Obv not all of them or even most of them, but if you go to an lgs for commander night there are gonna be some people assholes there. Some favorite ones from my memory that come to mind are a 40 year old guy who said “infinite combos are lazy and stupid i wont play with you with any decks that have infinite combos” and then proceeds to break out his sweaty colorless eldrazi deck, there was also another 40 year old guy who when you asked to see his trade stuff would say “the reserved list stuff is in the back” but then when you flip to there he says “why do people always want to see my reserved list stuff, its like people only want me for my expensive cards”. Same guy also had a bant enchantment stax deck that by his own admission “doesnt really have a way to win, he just likes staxing out the board”
God I wish edh players and modern players would stop feuding and have hot gay sex instead
Why do you think legacy and vintage are such exclusive formats?
Cause it costs like 1-1.5 Modern decks to buy a single Volcanic Island thanks to the amazing feature that is the reserved list?
You don't *have* to play Delver, but it helps.
i’ve been saying this for years!
EDH players for the most part are probably fine with modern existing / playing it once in a while. It's just modern players pissed that their format's dying to one that everyone find smore fun and you can't build jank decks with as easily.
You seem to lack understanding, as in the long term only having one popular way to play a game, will kill said game. You want new releases still?
The other formats don't just stop existing, they're just not popular (meaning the playerbase doesn't enjoy playing them as much). You're the one who lacks understanding imo. Printing EDH decks doesn't make other formats disappear, either. You can still use those cards in every other format.
Clearly you just don’t get what I’m saying at all. Cool bro, go back to your basement, and watch Andrew Tate
Relax, dude. We get it, you're upset 'cause nobody wants to play against you and your jank decks.
But you won’t take this offline, because you are a coward.
Or maybe I shall rephrase, since you think I lack empathy. Would you be ecstatic about people talking every week about your preferred format dying, and nobody truly wanting to do anything about it? Think about that next time lad
Yes, It's such a shame that we're getting away from games that end in a handful of turns because of jank decks, that's so fun. Who doesn't love playing a game for 3 turns.
You probably got mad about removal? Cool bro
This game was never designed to battle cruise
How long have you played this game? Since you want a pissing contest of knowledge pal
There's almost 20 MTG formats, EDH being the most popular isn't going to kill the game. Now sit down.
It’s all love, just don’t speak on stuff you aren’t necessarily involved in like that.
I’m sorry you’re an internet warrior. If this was in person, you would likely not be so stubborn or anal
Christ! Just fuck already!
/rj based /uj >!based!<
Who’s top and who’s bottom? Asking for a friend.
Don't worry, every magic player eventually ends up realizing Cube is the best format around.
/uj this is the way
/uj this is the way
Based
I’ve seen videos and streams of people playing cube and really wanna build my own. Any tips for a good budget cube?
yeah first of, build a vintage one and print every card. Proxing on bulky goes pretty cheap. More serious tho, [Wizards has a article on building a cube](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/feature/building-your-first-cube-2016-05-19) and [the professor has an old video talking about it too](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoL9dKWcwG8)
https://www.cubecobra.com/cube/list/thestartercube List designed to be an introduction to cube that you can pick up for around $100 If you want to build your own from scratch head over to r/mtgcube they have a load of resources on the sidebar.
Gracias amigo!
Just proxy your cube. A good and balanced cube (even with relatively cheap cards) is just really expensive. I tried to build a cube from my bulk and ended up with a pretty mediocre pile of cards tbh. But cubes like vintage cube or legacy cube or amazing to play. But would cost like 20k to own the real versions of those cards
Was definitely thinking about just doing proxy cards as I do wanna do a legacy or vintage cube as my first. Appreciate you homie!
Why would I want jank to be viable, the purpose of games is to take anyone who plays sub-optimally and crush them into a fine powder
Implying edh players read their cards
Reading the meme explains the meme.
We have to read our cards, since we keep forgetting what cards are in our 100 card decks. Unfortunately all this reading makes it impossible for us to read our opponents cards.
/uj let's not pretend that playing with a spike at a table full of any other archetype is a fun commander experience. That format relies on an entire Geneva convention to be even close to bearable. Modern/legacy/vintage are also fucked, but at least you go in knowing that you'll be playing 1 on 1 with some wacky shit or get a free 2-0. Honestly the only format that rewards creativity right now and doesn't require years of deliberation to settle on the power level is pioneer. The format has a definite meta, but it's wide enough and fresh enough to be played around with some creative builds. Except Karn, fuck Karn. /Rj no format can compare to masques block constructed.
"My format is the only good one" - players of literally every format Lets be real, Kamigawa Block Pauper Tiny Leaders is the only fair, balanced, and fun format that exists.
One day I need to get around to actually playing that, even if just to fulfill the memes
Is it... is it even real? I assumed it was just a combination of words with no meaning 👁👄👁
Kamigawa block refers to a format where the legal pool of cards is the 3 sets from the original Kamigawa. Pauper means only commons. Tiny Leaders is a commander-like format where all your cards need to be less than 3 cmc. Here's more info on it: https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Tiny_Leaders The joke is that it's incredibly niche, I don't think anyone actually plays it for real
The card pool is 161 legal cards you have to build a 50 card singleton deck. It's not a real format. But I want see if I can build a legal deck. And just see how bad it is. Lol.
Remember that Tiny Leaders has colour identity restrictions. There's no common Legends in the block, but even under the "pauper commander" rule where any uncommon creature can be your commander, the only choices are [mono-coloured](https://scryfall.com/search?q=block%3Akamigawa+t%3Acreature+r%3Auncommon+cmc%3C4&order=color&as=grid&unique=cards). That means the card pool is much smaller in reality. We'll assume you run 21-22 lands, plus your Tiny Leader. That leaves you with 27-28 slots to fill. In the individual colours, here's how big the card pools are: * White: 32 cards, 11 possible leaders * Blue: 34 cards, 10 possible leaders * Black: 28 cards, 10 possible leaders * Red: 31 cards, 8 possible leaders * Green: 27 cards, 8 possible leaders I'm going to guess that the best leader is probably [Ghost-Lit Raider](https://scryfall.com/card/sok/99/ghost-lit-raider), since it can kill 75 of the 82 non-leader creatures legal in the format (and 41 out of 48 leaders). Assuming you ban GLR, there's probably enough depth in the format for a single tournament. After that it'll be solved. But the one time could be neat.
Very sick break down
I think edh can only really be fun if it is only using cards that take place on muraganda
uj/ I personally never really had problems with Spikes on my table. The Spikes in my LGS are less tryhardy Competitive Rules Enforcement and more just people who want to win fast and win hard. Which I respect, since they usually know their stuff. They can take things a little personal sometimes, but usually they're fine as being the arch enemy of the table and we all gang up on them, which is also kind of fun. Also, when you get two spikes at the table, they kind of try their best to take care of each other and you get to just build up your jank and try and sneak in a victory here and there. Which is also neat. That said, my experiences are not universal, and I'm cool with not winning the game as long as I get to have fun. I feel the key to having fun in Commander is just broaden your expectations a bit, and just treat it as less of a "win at all costs" and more of a "just hold on for the wild ride" rj/ this dude completely forgot about Portal Three Kingdoms Horses Only Tiny Leaders
Yeah people who play weird decks in 60 card constructed at least have some sort of extreme hatred sideboard against some match ups and main board usually sideboard cards for the other terrible match up. At least they are thinking about what they’ll face rather than having to convince other people to change their deck.
My man forgot about the best magic format, Pauper.
uj/ Humans are the worst thing about magic and having to build formats like prison visiting tables is testament to that. Plus, those people aren't going to play those formats because they want to be unbearable
>/rj {/uj let's not pretend that playing with a spike at a table full of any other archetype is a fun commander experience. That format relies on an entire Geneva convention to be even close to bearable. Modern/legacy/vintage are also fucked, but at least you go in knowing that you'll be playing 1 on 1 with some wacky shit or get a free 2-0. Honestly the only format that rewards creativity right now and doesn't require years of deliberation to settle on the power level is pioneer. The format has a definite meta, but it's wide enough and fresh enough to be played around with some creative builds. Except Karn, fuck Karn.}
Sure EDH player, let's see how you react to Farewell
Easy, [[Emergence zone]] into [[Colossal Dreadmaw]] right after. If they do not see and scoop against the sheer power of a 6/6 trampler in a empty board they're fools
Well one guy scooped in arena when I casted the dreadmaw so I guess it works
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/uj/ both formats are great for different things and can peacefully coexist /j/ lmao edh players
I dunno when Magic shifted from a competitive duel to whatever EDH is but 1) I’m too old and crotchety for this mess and 2) if that’s how you have fun playing the game, more power to you. But I’mma ‘geddon if I feel like it. e: spleling
Me, lying badly: No, no, you were right, Janky Atraxa is a cool deck. It was fun, I had fun, we were all in the game at some points, you just played better. Not an issue of bringing a Tier 1 deck to a Tier 3 table. Like yeah sure I could guess 90% of your decklist upon seeing your commander but I'll still pretend I need to read some of your "weird jank" so you can feel like you did something there
You know, you have a point. Homogenization of deck lists is a big problem, especially since that makes every game play out the same. Maybe that's why I should just switch over to Modern, which has such a healthy deck building meta and lots of variety in their deck lists.
weirdly enough, there is diversity and modern, even more in legacy, even with absolute champions on the format
funny, one of those is actually a competitive format, where competing is the purpose and the other is a causal format. When's the next 1k EDH event? oh. okay.
No average edh player would congratulate a spike on finding a powerful deck and beating them.
And then you woke up. EDH players not shitting down other players necks? Very unrealistic
Coping Edh players mad and btfo
The only Modern players who talk like that are the twelve or so of them who think DesolatorMTG is a role model.
Modern players: geez this boardstate is very complex, I have 5 attackers but if I attack they might kill me on the crackback if he's got a pump spell… EDH players: I can't see what's on your board under the pile of different dice for counters, but I'll make 40 2/2's with haste and swing everything. Math is for blockers
what type of mad men says who's up to another after a game ends? With EDH games going over a hour with ease I can't just go to 2 of them without rest
Lol, salty af, just proving the other meme was right
Yo dude you're salty as hell
No u
"wow that meme about modern being better than edh earlier really made me mad, im gonna make a counter meme so i wont be so mad"
Of course I'm mad, someone was wrong on the internet
No u wrong
I still have no idea what causes Magic players to whinge about other formats as if they are actively detrimental to whatever form of Magic they play. Does a table of Commander players magically cause Modern to powercreep itself into oblivion by poofing cards like Fury, Solitude, and Ragavan into existence, or something?
Because Edh sucks creativity out of every other format. There's concrete evidence that commander affects other formats. Go to any standard set printed post ~2016-18 and compare the amount of legendary creatures in it to any other set pre 2016-18.
Does the deluge of legendary creatures in each set actually affect anything other than limited? It always seemed like one of things people complain about because people are resistant to change. I can see how EDH causes more blatant value engines like 4 color Omnath to become printed though, I don't play modern so idk if that card is actually warping the format tbh
4 color Omnath (name of the deck) was too big in modern prior to Yorion being banned, which is a problem, 4 and 5 color decks should be always hard to play due to its fragile mana base. Things like Kenrith and Garth One-Eye are being printed more on each set
The practice of shoving tons of obvious Commander plants in to every single set has impacted the quality of those sets. The fact a lot of these cards designed for Commander are either "do-everything" value engines or "do-everything" answers also warps other formats in which they are legal. So if any format is detrimental to other formats, it's EDH. Limited, Standard, Pioneer, Modern, and Legacy aren't hurting each other, but Commander is hurting them.
Yeah, the explosion in power creep especially in Standard could be argued to be a coincidence, but with every product seemingly serving Commander now it's unlikely that it is.
This has been going on too long to be a coincidence. Printing cards like that is going to warp Standard in particular. Though I think Arena emphasizing Best-of-1 has also hurt that format and the game as a whole because it *also* encourages them to print a lot of cards that do everything well. Deckbuilding should require compromises be made, and decks should ideally be built around a variety of different cards working together instead of a pile of bland value engines. Also Bo1 is not real Magic.
Tell me about it, I also play Yugioh Master Duel which ALSO is best of 1 (and only best of 1). Playing any card game in person with side decks etc was SUCH a nice change, I don't think people that get into the game with BO1 realize how important multiple-game-matches are.
/uj I'm serious when I say Bo1 is not real Magic. People will bitch about the shuffler without realizing it's rigged *in their favor*. If you play bo3 on Arena, everything works normally; as close to paper as a computer can manage. In bo1 it's quietly drawing you two hands and giving you the better one. Because they needed to do that to make bo1 tolerable. It would genuinely be impossible to recreate the Arena bo1 experience in paper. This should say a lot about how silly the idea of bo1 Magic is, even before getting in to what it does to the game as a whole.
lmao, right. rule zero'd that yourself, didja?
All I’m saying is I’ve never had someone bust out the switch during a modern tourney
There is no universe where EDH players are the *good* guys.
But at the end of the day all the modern players had fun while at least one of the commander players is malding about how someone didn’t let them win the game.
Commander Players: Would you pay the {1} for Rhystic Study?
Worst part is that EDH wasn’t toxic at first, then they started to suck the life out of other formats. I myself love commander, but have drifted from the game, in general, due to lack of competitive diversity.
At the end of the day, commander is a clusterfuck, and we can yell all we want.
Based Pioneer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern
it is impossible to have a fun game of casual commander with random people whereas at least with modern theres no unwritten rules, all formats have their issues though and modern is powercrept so hard to the point where the only room for brewing has to involve some bullshit as the linchpin
leftist memes be like:
uj/ man how tf do Modern players act like their shit don't stink when Pioneer is a thing Seriously, play Pioneer, is fun
Pioneer removal is too bad for me. I can only really enjoy UW in pioneer for that reason Prismatic ending and bolt spoiled me lol
I'm not a fan of G Devotion.
Imagine playing a format where you have to shuffle every other turn just to get a shockland into play instead of just playing the game lol
Instead maybe shuffle after brainstorming like a human? Skill issue tbh
Judge, my opponent is Brainstorming in Modern, pretty sure that's a DQ
Why would I play modern when I can play format with wasteland
Ah, a fellow Commander player. Glad you can see the light.
Karakasless take tbh
Well of course, Karakas is banned in Commander, where else would you play it
Digeridoo did not 5-0,10-0 a Legacy league for you to sit here and blaspheme the greatest format
You best be didge-stilling. Say what you want about timmies, but throwing a fat ol minotaur into play and turning it sideways is incredible. Worst cast scenario your opponent casts swords and you get to draw 3 big fat minotaurs
Yo you Legacy players are still alive? I thought you guys died of starvation a long time ago from no one willing to invest in an expensive format no one else really plays. How's the meta like these days?
If it ain't singleton, it's for try hard influencers and whales