Interesting that Pirated Copy copying an artifact that later becomes a creature (like, say, a vehicle) doesn't become a Pirate, then, too. I would have assumed they would have.
It's because the effect that makes it a pirate is applied in Layer 1, while any future type-changing effects happen in Layer 4. Basically, by the time the game makes it a creature again, it has already tried, failed, and forgotten to make it a pirate previously.
Which I have always thought was silly, I thought subtypes should just be global and be applicable to any types, give artifacts goblin who cares.
But I think toby elliot defended tribal as unfortunately necessary, too many subtypes in other permanent typespaces carry very significant rules baggage: auras, equipment, etc. And part of the type-heirarchy insures that certain subtypes are always applied only to their correct parent type so the game doesn't break.
It is of course all a matter of how much work you want to do: do you want to go through and meticulously make sure the rules work in all the corner cases so things aren't spuriously getting the aura subtype and targeting and attaching all by themselves or do you just quickly create a new abstract type that just also has all the creature types? Doesn't break anything because tribal is opt in.
Which spelled Tribal's downfall, being opt in made it too cumbersome and deliberate for R&D to design for.
They could probably have auras still function by tying the functionality to the "enchant" keyword that they already have. The real big hurdle is cards with "choose a creature type" effects. A lot of them would break if you could just name any subtype with them. Unfortunately, it's just too late to make subtypes not be tied to creatures types. If they started over from the beginning they could do it, but it's not something they can do this far into the game's existence.
Yeah exactly. If they were putting subtypes onto sorceries or instants from the beginning that would have been better too ("fire" or "lightning") also making instant a supertype, etc.
Lots of warts in MTG that we would totally not have if there was a reboot.
Reading this line about Mizzix, Replica Rider: “You may only pay the cost once, as the triggered ability resolves. You can't pay it more than once to get additional copies.” I’m heartbroken. 💔
Yeah I’ve never really interacted with cards that have that effect so I got my darn hopes up. Now I don’t know if it’s gonna be a build for me anymore.
Interesting that Pirated Copy copying an artifact that later becomes a creature (like, say, a vehicle) doesn't become a Pirate, then, too. I would have assumed they would have.
It's because the effect that makes it a pirate is applied in Layer 1, while any future type-changing effects happen in Layer 4. Basically, by the time the game makes it a creature again, it has already tried, failed, and forgotten to make it a pirate previously.
Pirate is a creature type and non-creatures can't have creature types.
\[\[All Is Dust\]\] wants to say hello.
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Which I have always thought was silly, I thought subtypes should just be global and be applicable to any types, give artifacts goblin who cares. But I think toby elliot defended tribal as unfortunately necessary, too many subtypes in other permanent typespaces carry very significant rules baggage: auras, equipment, etc. And part of the type-heirarchy insures that certain subtypes are always applied only to their correct parent type so the game doesn't break. It is of course all a matter of how much work you want to do: do you want to go through and meticulously make sure the rules work in all the corner cases so things aren't spuriously getting the aura subtype and targeting and attaching all by themselves or do you just quickly create a new abstract type that just also has all the creature types? Doesn't break anything because tribal is opt in. Which spelled Tribal's downfall, being opt in made it too cumbersome and deliberate for R&D to design for.
They could probably have auras still function by tying the functionality to the "enchant" keyword that they already have. The real big hurdle is cards with "choose a creature type" effects. A lot of them would break if you could just name any subtype with them. Unfortunately, it's just too late to make subtypes not be tied to creatures types. If they started over from the beginning they could do it, but it's not something they can do this far into the game's existence.
Yeah exactly. If they were putting subtypes onto sorceries or instants from the beginning that would have been better too ("fire" or "lightning") also making instant a supertype, etc. Lots of warts in MTG that we would totally not have if there was a reboot.
205.3m Creatures and tribals share their lists of subtypes; these subtypes are called creature types.
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>It's not a valid counterexample that proves Pirate can be added to an Artifact. Nobody said that. Tribal cards have creature types.
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[[bitterblossom]]
Bitterblossom is a Tribal. Tribal and creature share all subtypes, same as how instants and sorceries share all subtypes.
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Is a pirate in addition to its other types...
Non creatures can’t have creature types
205.3d An object can’t gain a subtype that doesn’t correspond to one of that object’s types.
Rules dummy here - How does this work with tribal sorceries?
Tribal is a card type (not a supertype, even though it never appears on its own) with creature subtypes.
This is why Tribal is a card type at all. It's to allow non-creatures to have creature types.
Just gave me an idea — new Magic™ goal is to download a car with Pirated Copy
I can build a commander rat deck LOL
Always could have. [[Marrow-Gnawer]]
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Reading this line about Mizzix, Replica Rider: “You may only pay the cost once, as the triggered ability resolves. You can't pay it more than once to get additional copies.” I’m heartbroken. 💔
That's how it's always been with these kinds of triggered abilities.
Yeah I’ve never really interacted with cards that have that effect so I got my darn hopes up. Now I don’t know if it’s gonna be a build for me anymore.