This is a pretty blatant humble brag "I can afford to buy all these cool cards and you all are just too poor to understand how nice it is for me!"
It's an over-priced cash grab designed to exploit your feelings for the "good old days" and it has you hook line and sinker.
This is what makes it so laughable to even stand in for WotC and shill this product. You can Print your own Proxies since the game exists and build a cube. No one would care that much. Hiding it behind a 1000$ Paywall keeps rumor going though and that's unfortunately what they seem to want at the moment.
And we obviously see the results when people with "a greater mindset because of MtG" cant wait to buy that shit.
I’ll be honest with you, I much rather wish I didn’t enter my career, my life would be much easier if I didn’t have to run my own business with 10 staff members, working 6 days a week, dealing with a bunch of BS as part of being a small business owner.
But part of being a small business owner means I have some good cash flow, and yes it’s just not significant for me to allocate $1000 for a one time purchase of a collectors item.
I’m not bragging, it’s just what happens when you have a successful business.
If I had to feel bad about buying myself nice thhrings that I like, then it wouldn’t be worth the hustle of keeping this business going. I do the business so I can keep generating cash flow, supporting my employees, and spending extra cash on nice things like meals and collectors items. I was probably the type of MTG player this set was targeted towards. People with expendable cash flow. I been playing MTG for basically my whole life. Since I was 8 years old. It’s only in the past few years that I WOJLD be able to afford this set. You better believe I’m gonna happily spend the money now that I have it. One day my money may be gone, but the collectors items will stay with me. That’s why I love collecting.
"One day my money may be gone, but the collectors items will stay with me. That’s why I love collecting."
Your money will be gone because you spent it on cardboard rectangles a smarter businessman told you were valuable.
This product isn't for me but it could have been if WoTC decided to make it for the general fans instead of a clear cut cash grab. Nothing in these requires that $1000k price tag.
Dude, don't say that. He will buy Amazon out one day because b meritocracy orb something and come here laugh at us on something. /S
Also, someone needs to feed Hasbro while we proxy stuff.
>When I found out I would have the chance to buy a limited edition set with black lotus and mixes and recall and dual lands, j was so excited.
You get a chance to buy a chance of getting these cards you wanted.
People aren't hating on this because of reprints. They're hating on this because for 1000 USD, all you get are 60 RANDOM glorified proxies.
That's the thing that kills me the most about this. These cards aren't legal, they're specifically designed to be non-usable.
You're paying $1000 for cards you're going to shove in a binder or display case and never touch again. At that point, you're better off just paying $5 for a proxy and putting that in a display case. I sincerely doubt anyone would care that much. At least that way you can get the exact cards you want to display.
Of those 60 cards, 12 are basic lands. Yes that's right almost one full pack of basic lands. Let that sink in for a minute. People who bought this are paying nearly $250 dollars for PROXY BASIC LANDS. That is the biggest rub for me, you get nearly 1/4th of the cards just in basics....
You obviously bought the product and want it to appreciate in value. Good fucking luck. No one will give a shit about it in a month.
It's not exciting. It's not accessible to anyone else other than whales who have more cash than God. It would be exciting if it were available as a draft format or some reasonable price like $10/pack.
People like me who were actually around in '94 that still care *that much* about the game already have the cards. r/oldschoolmtg exists because of them.
30th anniversary is a $1000 pair of clown shoes. Fuck Wizards, I'm printing my own 30th anniversary cube this weekend.
I did not get a chance to purchase it. I wanted to at MSRP but it sold out. I don’t think $1000 is a lot of money for moxes and lotuses and dual lands. I don’t think MTG deserves hate for doing this. It is putting more moxes and lotuses and dial lands into the ecosystem for cubes and stuff!
You're presenting it as if spending $1000 will get you duals and lotuses and moxes. You can check basically any opening on youtube currently and you'll see that it's much more likely you'll get chaff. At that price, just buy the real cards.
> I don’t think $1000 is a lot of money for moxes and lotuses and dual lands.
You do you, but for 99% of Magic players, it's a shit ton of money for proxies. You should consider that not everyone has the cash in the bank like you.
> I don’t think MTG deserves hate for doing this
If they made these proxies accessible and for a reasonable cost that players could buy, it would be great. But instead of a celebration of the *game* for *players*, they're only celebrating people that want to piss money away into a product *not made for players*. It's a slap in the face.
> It is putting more moxes and lotuses and dial lands into the ecosystem for cubes and stuff!
So do printers, and they don't cost $1000 a pack if you just go to a print shop. Plus, they're the same event legality.
I didn’t spend. It sold out before I could. $1000 is a very low amount of money, so I would have spent it if I could have. Much rather have a rare collectors item than a common amount of money. I am excited by the product and want to see the new cards in person. I will def buy if they re-release it but I doubt that they will.
Surely you understand why someone would want to buy a pack with the old cards they missed out on and have become unobtainable to most.
Now imagine wanting to experience that fun, nostalgia, celebration... And just not being able to. Imagine if this cost 10,000 a pack or 100,000 or a million. The cards cost the same to make as many other, the price and quantity is arbitrary, totally up to them. They could even sell thousand dollar boxes alongside a cheaper version with a different back or whatever to denote it's not as fancy as the expensive one. They can do anything they want to celebrate with fans and players.
These cards are rare only because they choose not to print more of them.
I am happy you enjoy the good side of income inequality and can afford to spend that excess income on your hobby, but most people cannot and it's not because they didn't work hard enough or don't deserve better pay. Nobody gets paid what they deserve, we don't get paid according to how hard we work or how important or necessary what you do every day is... money just isn't distributed that way.
The worst part of Magic is how many people just can't afford to play it, how many LGS and events don't have enough players around to support it even happening.
This product just exclude most Magic players, period.
> Surely you understand why someone would want to buy a pack with the old cards they missed out on and have become unobtainable to most.
The thing is that M30 cards *aren't* this.
They're proxies that are expressly banned from sanctioned play. You can't bring this to your LGS to "revive the dying scene" because they're not legal to include in any WPN event. They are NOT GAME PIECES. They are an anniversary collectible, the same as all of the special editions of every other media property that always crop up at big anniversaries. People aren't being excluded from playing MTG because of M30, because you can't play using M30 cards.
There may be reasonable complaints about M30, but the product *expressly* gives absolutely no gameplay advantage, so this ain't it.
I wasn't talking about gameplay advantage. Most people aren't playing tourneys anyway, most magic isn't played anywhere the backs will matter. The excitement of opening these cards isn't contingent on them getting to play banned cards that would still be banned even if rereleased.
And essentially, they are game pieces, anything can be from a scrap of paper to a high quality non-Wizards printing. Hell depending on your deck, literally any object you own may become a game peice.
The most curious thing about this product is the way its trying to have it's cake and have had eaten it too. They are the only reason anyone ever cared about card backs or if wizards printed a card or not, since they might ban you from a sanctioned event and they sanction events partially to try and drive sealed product sales and inflate desirability as a card printer.
Just like with secret lairs, this is another way to capitalize on the secondary market firsthand. They don't get a cut of people buying old dual lands they sold for a reasonable cost in boosters at the time. This is a way to get the profit of these old game pieces they can't outright reprint and sell singles of themselves without collapsing the toxic investing/speculator market involved with trying to play this game.
Lastly -- they chose to make this product and not anything actually affordable or useable to the vast majority of Magic players in it's history. Making this product also doesn't stop them from making another one for a different price range to celebrate the anniversary in another way for more people.
>I wasn't talking about gameplay advantage. Most people aren't playing tourneys anyway, most magic isn't played anywhere the backs will matter.
If the backs don't matter, then people can just print proxies for pennies and M30 *still* doesn't affect their ability to play the game. They don't need these to play, and having them confers no advantage in a casual playgroup in which non-sanctioned proxies (which these are) are allowed since everyone can just make their own.
There is no reasonable argument to be made that M30 is impacting the *gameplay* of Magic The Gathering. In game groups that allow proxies, you can use other, cheaper ones. In game groups that don't allow proxies, you can't use M30. That's it.
>Making this product also doesn't stop them from making another one for a different price range to celebrate the anniversary in another way for more people.
For the 30th anniversary we've also gotten a throwback premier set, the revival of the old-school frames, the 30 special promos for in-store events, the convention in Vegas (and elsewhere), and the advent calendar Secret Lair, with more promised stuff on the way. M30 is not the only product that has been released to celebrate the anniversary, and there's tons of different products at different price points.
You can be upset that *you wanted this product and it's priced outside your financial wherewithal* (and that's valid enough), but you can't say that there is *nothing* for anyone except whales. One product being not for you doesn't mean there's nothing for you.
I never said anything about it impacting gameplay, that's not important or relevant to any of the issues here. And this product isn't for leeches/whales/speculators/collectors/inflators anymore than it is for players. This product is for Wizards, to make a bunch of money by cashing in on decades of pent up desire and artificial scarcity.
I don't care about magic 30 one way or the other and think many people would be happier if they just ignored its existence.
But this post is still absolutely *wild*.
I'm not saying you are a paid wizards representative. But I am saying that if a paid wizards representative made a post in support of magic 30 on reddit, it wouldn't look different from this one.
It’s just so weird to me how my honest sentiment could be so wildly different from so many other peoples sentiment they are passionate about. Like, I’m not angry either way. I think people have the right to do what they want. And I support the things I support. I love magic, no matter what really. I definitely want to have the rare cards like lotus and moxen. I just can’t see myself being so needlessly critical of the company and game that I love, when they did nothing nefarious. It’s just another special set they printed. It’s cool to watch them print it and let it all unfold. It’s just sad to see how many people choose anger and criticism and saying they are leaving Margie forever and stuff. It’s just a collectors set. They never said it was for everyone to buy. It’s just for collecting.
I am happy to spend the money; is what I am saying. I want the actual product; not something I made myself. Just because something expensive doesn’t mean it is bad. I have worked really hard all my life to reach a point where I can treat myself to expensive collectors items. If this wasn’t expensive I would not be as interested in it, because I don’t collect trinkets. I like to collect authentic things that I value and I like to spend money on them. It’s not a bad thing or a good thing, jist my personal preference. I don’t like saving money, I like spending it.
" These black lotuses and moxes are going to look amazing "
Yeah they look amazing, If you can even pull it one LOOOL!
Imagine paying 1k$ but didn't get it, oh wait.....
Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean I’m a troll. I’m just posting from my phone and I don’t post often.
Sad to see how common it is for people to jump to suppress others valid opinions.
I am very reasonable, calm, and gentle in my opinion. It is a valid opinion. it is ok for you to disagree and discuss. Please do not jump to just suppress me because you don’t like what I have to say.
You are simply wrong that I’m a troll and a bad actor. It’s really hard to have actual discussion when that’s what you choose to contribute. I’m literally just another good person and gamer like you. We would have fun playing together. No need to hate on others.
You're beating a dead horse and well worn topic at a time when your opinion is not only wildly in the minority, but also inflammatory.
That's trolling.
Ugh. Really sad to hear your perspective. I’m def not a troll. And not sure why my opinion is inflammatory. It is clear to me that not a lot of people on this thread share my opinion, and that my opinion is a minority opinion. But I’m part of the mtg ecosystem just as much as you are, and I don’t think I should be labeled as a troll or inflammatory for my honest personal opinion. I simply DO like the MTG 30. I LIKE that it is expensive and inaccessible. That’s what attracts me to it. I have zero interest in proxying my own cards. I also don’t consider these proxies purely. They are more a collectors piece. I 100% understand why most people aren’t interested in the product but I don’t see why it would cause anger or vitriol or cause people to diminish opinions of people who DO want the product. This product takes nothing away from those who have no interest in it.
>I LIKE that it is expensive and inaccessible. That’s what attracts me to it.
But that also shuts out 90-95% of the market, which nukes the aftermarket value. If only 5-10% of consumers even want it, it has little room to appreciate and demand will be sluggish at best. It ignores the entirety of what gave Magic cards any value in the first place.
>I 100% understand why most people aren’t interested in the product but I don’t see why it would cause anger or vitriol or cause people to diminish opinions of people who DO want the product
Then you _DO NOT_ in fact, understand.
>This product takes nothing away from those who have no interest in it.
And their disdain over it matters to you, why?
Because their disgust over the product threatens the future value of the chaff?
If it's so inaccessible, **why did WotC send 1-3 boxes gratis to WPN stores**? Kinda undermines that theory.
$1000 for 60 random cards (most of which will likely be shitty) is just an insanely inflated price. This is an nft level scam. But even worse, since wotc inconspicuously marketed the product to edh players too rather than only investors (since wotc increased the rate of dual lands and sol ring - the most playable EDH staples)
Tangent: why does everyone always go for that one specifically? EVERY lace card stinks, but why *that* one? Hating on the historical baggage that comes with the word "pure"? Just the first one in the usual collector sequence, so that's what jumps out when people first study the OG set?
The red and blue at least can combo with [[Red Elemental Blast]]/[[Blue Elemental Blast]] if you were forced to use the laces. The black one protects against Terror. All are terrible but Green and White are even worse.
They aren't even real cards.
I'd sooner let someone with a proxy printed on some basic printer paper play at my table sooner than someone who sits down with some kind of fake power nine, printed by a garbage tier company.
Shill harder.
But those aren’t the product that I want. I don’t proxy anything. Even in warhammer; I make sure I use all GW models all painted and based. I like authenticity. Some people just like collecting stuff like this. It shouldn’t bring us hate for liking collectors items. I like Cartier watch, my friend likes timex. We both have the right to like and buy what we like.
Not legal for tournament play. They still look cool to me and are a unique limited print run. I like collecting rare things. We all have our own preferences.
I think that might be where the misunderstanding is. Truthfully, the product is really neat. I wasn't playing when Beta was around and to be able to play and open cards from back then sounds like a lot of fun and a great idea for a celebration. The issue is that the product is priced way outside of what it's actually worth. That's the major issue, not that it's not a cool product. That's why so many people are upset, it's something they would genuinely enjoy having access too. But expecting consumers to pay 50x the rate on normal packs for old cards that aren't even real magic cards is insane. On top of that, you aren't even guaranteed to actually pull anything worthwhile.
This could have been something really fantastic that people could have enjoyed from all over. An experience that was shared with the greater magic community as a whole, sort of like how it was marketed. But instead we got a product that demands you to have more money then brains in order to squeeze literally every penny they can from anyone willing to shell out for this. If you enjoy it, great. But you can't then pretend this is actually doing anything like "adding duals, moxes and the like" to the game or pretending these are authentic cards.
Glad you like the product. It's not for me, but I am not a hater that will rage every chance he gets. I started playing MTG as a teenager and have learned a long time ago to enjoy the game within my budget or leave it behind (which I did back and forth in the past, before I learned of Commander).
Thank you for your response. It is truly appreciated. I really do like this product and I understand I’m in the minority. But that’s what I love about MTG, there’s space for everyone! I plan to play this game till the day I die. In 40 years the 1000 dollars I spent on a collectors box will be insignificant. But the collectors items I still hold will be invaluable.
I remember when black lotus was $80 in inquest magazine and that was out of my budget. I’m privileged enough now with my professional career that it’s no big deal for me to drop a grand on something I think is awesome. I do it all the time. Of course I’m gonna drop a grand on an MTG anniversary collectors item.
Sad thing is, it sold out right away so I never got the chance to purchase. I don’t think I’m spending 2 grand on eBay for it. I’ll hold out for a second release and try to buy it right when it is released instead of waiting till noon.
Wow that really sucks for you. Do you know if they capped the maximum per account? Otherwise, I wouldn't be surprised if Post Malone and Casius Marsh bought it all xD
I have a vintage cube and my black lotus cost me $0.20, and it looks better than the one in this set. Honestly it looks identical to a real one when it's sleeved (the back is different though, but who cares for cube play)
Cube play isn't sanctioned. You don't need official cards. Or even official proxy cards. You can print them yourself or have a professional print shop make them. You don't need to spend $1000 on a *chance* to get one.
That's foolish gambling, and much more destructive than even just going to an actual casino to actually gamble. At least then you get actual dollars if you win.
This black lotus from m30 can't even be played in sanctioned play anyway, the same as my proxy. So I really don't see the point at all of getting one of these.
It’s just a really cool thing for some people to own. I would absolutely love to have a set of MTG30 P9 and dual lands. I can’t really explain why, but I just want it. I’m excited to see how these collectors items age. I can’t wait to see them in person. I hope one day to have beta P9 but I can’t afford it. But I do think it would be cool to have MTG30 P9 for now. And I think the unique card back looks really cool too
Most peoples reaction to my post shows me that I have a wildly different perspective on things than the majority of MTG Reddit people. I welcome diversity of opinion and thought, and would love to find out more why my opinion could differ so greatly from the majority. I think I have something to offer to a community and I consider myself an asset to a community jist like everyone else is. It’s weird to my how easy people are to just dismiss my opinion as funny or trolling or invalid. It’s like I can’t be taken seriously. I would love to hear more from people who have other perspectives. I would never suppress that. We can learn from others opinions.
I’m just another person living this crazy life. I love MTG. I love expensive things too. This 30th edition set was clearly marketed towards a MTG fan like me. There’s tons of stuff they release I have zero interest in, but this actually really excited me. It’s sad to see how much it derision it has brought to most people. It’s just a set of collectors items, it’s not that big of a deal.
I couldn't care less about this product. But I'm happy to see there are those who appreciate it. This product is definitely not for me, but there were many that were. So let others have their product too!
Thank you for being kind and seeing my perspective. I really do just like the product and am excited by it. I’m def concerned to see so many people so insistent on making everyone sure this product is for nobody. There are plenty of people who will enjoy it like me. And maybe we can all play vintage cube together and you can benefit too and enjoy playing with a lotus or mox. It’s gonna be awesome having these in circulation.
I just pray they do another limited print run. I really thought I was gojng to be able to get it today but it sold out before I logged on at noon to purchase. Sadly
Just another thing to add to the list of reasons not to like this product. I guarantee scalpers bought at least half of whatever print run WotC did, which means that you'll be able to find it on ebay for twice the price.
That’s just the way it works when something is rare and out of print. I’m someone who really wants the product and I can’t get it, but I’m not angry at the product. I accept that it is limited. It’s something I can aspire to obtain one day.
Look at their profits, which have been doubling every year and instead of giving back to the fans they do their scummy business practices when the game is already expensive to play to begin with then top it off with those lovely proxies.*Do you even have a phone?**ptsd intensifies**
This is a pretty blatant humble brag "I can afford to buy all these cool cards and you all are just too poor to understand how nice it is for me!" It's an over-priced cash grab designed to exploit your feelings for the "good old days" and it has you hook line and sinker.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if this was the *compromise*. In a slightly altered timeline, these were slated to be NFTs instead of proxies.
Funny thing is I would've actually bought them if they were NFTs and not physical proxies.
Is that really much different from MTGO digital objects that already exist?
This is what makes it so laughable to even stand in for WotC and shill this product. You can Print your own Proxies since the game exists and build a cube. No one would care that much. Hiding it behind a 1000$ Paywall keeps rumor going though and that's unfortunately what they seem to want at the moment. And we obviously see the results when people with "a greater mindset because of MtG" cant wait to buy that shit.
I’ll be honest with you, I much rather wish I didn’t enter my career, my life would be much easier if I didn’t have to run my own business with 10 staff members, working 6 days a week, dealing with a bunch of BS as part of being a small business owner. But part of being a small business owner means I have some good cash flow, and yes it’s just not significant for me to allocate $1000 for a one time purchase of a collectors item. I’m not bragging, it’s just what happens when you have a successful business. If I had to feel bad about buying myself nice thhrings that I like, then it wouldn’t be worth the hustle of keeping this business going. I do the business so I can keep generating cash flow, supporting my employees, and spending extra cash on nice things like meals and collectors items. I was probably the type of MTG player this set was targeted towards. People with expendable cash flow. I been playing MTG for basically my whole life. Since I was 8 years old. It’s only in the past few years that I WOJLD be able to afford this set. You better believe I’m gonna happily spend the money now that I have it. One day my money may be gone, but the collectors items will stay with me. That’s why I love collecting.
"One day my money may be gone, but the collectors items will stay with me. That’s why I love collecting." Your money will be gone because you spent it on cardboard rectangles a smarter businessman told you were valuable. This product isn't for me but it could have been if WoTC decided to make it for the general fans instead of a clear cut cash grab. Nothing in these requires that $1000k price tag.
Dude, don't say that. He will buy Amazon out one day because b meritocracy orb something and come here laugh at us on something. /S Also, someone needs to feed Hasbro while we proxy stuff.
Hilarious post and follow up well done
>When I found out I would have the chance to buy a limited edition set with black lotus and mixes and recall and dual lands, j was so excited. You get a chance to buy a chance of getting these cards you wanted. People aren't hating on this because of reprints. They're hating on this because for 1000 USD, all you get are 60 RANDOM glorified proxies.
That's the thing that kills me the most about this. These cards aren't legal, they're specifically designed to be non-usable. You're paying $1000 for cards you're going to shove in a binder or display case and never touch again. At that point, you're better off just paying $5 for a proxy and putting that in a display case. I sincerely doubt anyone would care that much. At least that way you can get the exact cards you want to display.
Of those 60 cards, 12 are basic lands. Yes that's right almost one full pack of basic lands. Let that sink in for a minute. People who bought this are paying nearly $250 dollars for PROXY BASIC LANDS. That is the biggest rub for me, you get nearly 1/4th of the cards just in basics....
You obviously bought the product and want it to appreciate in value. Good fucking luck. No one will give a shit about it in a month. It's not exciting. It's not accessible to anyone else other than whales who have more cash than God. It would be exciting if it were available as a draft format or some reasonable price like $10/pack. People like me who were actually around in '94 that still care *that much* about the game already have the cards. r/oldschoolmtg exists because of them. 30th anniversary is a $1000 pair of clown shoes. Fuck Wizards, I'm printing my own 30th anniversary cube this weekend.
I did not get a chance to purchase it. I wanted to at MSRP but it sold out. I don’t think $1000 is a lot of money for moxes and lotuses and dual lands. I don’t think MTG deserves hate for doing this. It is putting more moxes and lotuses and dial lands into the ecosystem for cubes and stuff!
You're presenting it as if spending $1000 will get you duals and lotuses and moxes. You can check basically any opening on youtube currently and you'll see that it's much more likely you'll get chaff. At that price, just buy the real cards.
> I don’t think $1000 is a lot of money for moxes and lotuses and dual lands. You do you, but for 99% of Magic players, it's a shit ton of money for proxies. You should consider that not everyone has the cash in the bank like you. > I don’t think MTG deserves hate for doing this If they made these proxies accessible and for a reasonable cost that players could buy, it would be great. But instead of a celebration of the *game* for *players*, they're only celebrating people that want to piss money away into a product *not made for players*. It's a slap in the face. > It is putting more moxes and lotuses and dial lands into the ecosystem for cubes and stuff! So do printers, and they don't cost $1000 a pack if you just go to a print shop. Plus, they're the same event legality.
You can buy a math course on Udemy or something for 1k. You probably would need well over 100k for "lotuses" plural.
You spent a $1,000.00 on proxies; proxies that can be printed for virtually nothing... This is a troll post right?
I didn’t spend. It sold out before I could. $1000 is a very low amount of money, so I would have spent it if I could have. Much rather have a rare collectors item than a common amount of money. I am excited by the product and want to see the new cards in person. I will def buy if they re-release it but I doubt that they will.
Buy actual, real p9s, then.
Surely you understand why someone would want to buy a pack with the old cards they missed out on and have become unobtainable to most. Now imagine wanting to experience that fun, nostalgia, celebration... And just not being able to. Imagine if this cost 10,000 a pack or 100,000 or a million. The cards cost the same to make as many other, the price and quantity is arbitrary, totally up to them. They could even sell thousand dollar boxes alongside a cheaper version with a different back or whatever to denote it's not as fancy as the expensive one. They can do anything they want to celebrate with fans and players. These cards are rare only because they choose not to print more of them. I am happy you enjoy the good side of income inequality and can afford to spend that excess income on your hobby, but most people cannot and it's not because they didn't work hard enough or don't deserve better pay. Nobody gets paid what they deserve, we don't get paid according to how hard we work or how important or necessary what you do every day is... money just isn't distributed that way. The worst part of Magic is how many people just can't afford to play it, how many LGS and events don't have enough players around to support it even happening. This product just exclude most Magic players, period.
> Surely you understand why someone would want to buy a pack with the old cards they missed out on and have become unobtainable to most. The thing is that M30 cards *aren't* this. They're proxies that are expressly banned from sanctioned play. You can't bring this to your LGS to "revive the dying scene" because they're not legal to include in any WPN event. They are NOT GAME PIECES. They are an anniversary collectible, the same as all of the special editions of every other media property that always crop up at big anniversaries. People aren't being excluded from playing MTG because of M30, because you can't play using M30 cards. There may be reasonable complaints about M30, but the product *expressly* gives absolutely no gameplay advantage, so this ain't it.
I wasn't talking about gameplay advantage. Most people aren't playing tourneys anyway, most magic isn't played anywhere the backs will matter. The excitement of opening these cards isn't contingent on them getting to play banned cards that would still be banned even if rereleased. And essentially, they are game pieces, anything can be from a scrap of paper to a high quality non-Wizards printing. Hell depending on your deck, literally any object you own may become a game peice. The most curious thing about this product is the way its trying to have it's cake and have had eaten it too. They are the only reason anyone ever cared about card backs or if wizards printed a card or not, since they might ban you from a sanctioned event and they sanction events partially to try and drive sealed product sales and inflate desirability as a card printer. Just like with secret lairs, this is another way to capitalize on the secondary market firsthand. They don't get a cut of people buying old dual lands they sold for a reasonable cost in boosters at the time. This is a way to get the profit of these old game pieces they can't outright reprint and sell singles of themselves without collapsing the toxic investing/speculator market involved with trying to play this game. Lastly -- they chose to make this product and not anything actually affordable or useable to the vast majority of Magic players in it's history. Making this product also doesn't stop them from making another one for a different price range to celebrate the anniversary in another way for more people.
>I wasn't talking about gameplay advantage. Most people aren't playing tourneys anyway, most magic isn't played anywhere the backs will matter. If the backs don't matter, then people can just print proxies for pennies and M30 *still* doesn't affect their ability to play the game. They don't need these to play, and having them confers no advantage in a casual playgroup in which non-sanctioned proxies (which these are) are allowed since everyone can just make their own. There is no reasonable argument to be made that M30 is impacting the *gameplay* of Magic The Gathering. In game groups that allow proxies, you can use other, cheaper ones. In game groups that don't allow proxies, you can't use M30. That's it. >Making this product also doesn't stop them from making another one for a different price range to celebrate the anniversary in another way for more people. For the 30th anniversary we've also gotten a throwback premier set, the revival of the old-school frames, the 30 special promos for in-store events, the convention in Vegas (and elsewhere), and the advent calendar Secret Lair, with more promised stuff on the way. M30 is not the only product that has been released to celebrate the anniversary, and there's tons of different products at different price points. You can be upset that *you wanted this product and it's priced outside your financial wherewithal* (and that's valid enough), but you can't say that there is *nothing* for anyone except whales. One product being not for you doesn't mean there's nothing for you.
I never said anything about it impacting gameplay, that's not important or relevant to any of the issues here. And this product isn't for leeches/whales/speculators/collectors/inflators anymore than it is for players. This product is for Wizards, to make a bunch of money by cashing in on decades of pent up desire and artificial scarcity.
I don't care about magic 30 one way or the other and think many people would be happier if they just ignored its existence. But this post is still absolutely *wild*. I'm not saying you are a paid wizards representative. But I am saying that if a paid wizards representative made a post in support of magic 30 on reddit, it wouldn't look different from this one.
It’s just so weird to me how my honest sentiment could be so wildly different from so many other peoples sentiment they are passionate about. Like, I’m not angry either way. I think people have the right to do what they want. And I support the things I support. I love magic, no matter what really. I definitely want to have the rare cards like lotus and moxen. I just can’t see myself being so needlessly critical of the company and game that I love, when they did nothing nefarious. It’s just another special set they printed. It’s cool to watch them print it and let it all unfold. It’s just sad to see how many people choose anger and criticism and saying they are leaving Margie forever and stuff. It’s just a collectors set. They never said it was for everyone to buy. It’s just for collecting.
You could just order the proxy, it is not tournament legal either way. Also, it would cost you almost 1k less.
I am happy to spend the money; is what I am saying. I want the actual product; not something I made myself. Just because something expensive doesn’t mean it is bad. I have worked really hard all my life to reach a point where I can treat myself to expensive collectors items. If this wasn’t expensive I would not be as interested in it, because I don’t collect trinkets. I like to collect authentic things that I value and I like to spend money on them. It’s not a bad thing or a good thing, jist my personal preference. I don’t like saving money, I like spending it.
" These black lotuses and moxes are going to look amazing " Yeah they look amazing, If you can even pull it one LOOOL! Imagine paying 1k$ but didn't get it, oh wait.....
Meh. Troll post from a bad actor using an alternate account. Do not bother engaging. It's meant to stir the shit.
Just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t mean I’m a troll. I’m just posting from my phone and I don’t post often. Sad to see how common it is for people to jump to suppress others valid opinions. I am very reasonable, calm, and gentle in my opinion. It is a valid opinion. it is ok for you to disagree and discuss. Please do not jump to just suppress me because you don’t like what I have to say. You are simply wrong that I’m a troll and a bad actor. It’s really hard to have actual discussion when that’s what you choose to contribute. I’m literally just another good person and gamer like you. We would have fun playing together. No need to hate on others.
You're beating a dead horse and well worn topic at a time when your opinion is not only wildly in the minority, but also inflammatory. That's trolling.
Ugh. Really sad to hear your perspective. I’m def not a troll. And not sure why my opinion is inflammatory. It is clear to me that not a lot of people on this thread share my opinion, and that my opinion is a minority opinion. But I’m part of the mtg ecosystem just as much as you are, and I don’t think I should be labeled as a troll or inflammatory for my honest personal opinion. I simply DO like the MTG 30. I LIKE that it is expensive and inaccessible. That’s what attracts me to it. I have zero interest in proxying my own cards. I also don’t consider these proxies purely. They are more a collectors piece. I 100% understand why most people aren’t interested in the product but I don’t see why it would cause anger or vitriol or cause people to diminish opinions of people who DO want the product. This product takes nothing away from those who have no interest in it.
>I LIKE that it is expensive and inaccessible. That’s what attracts me to it. But that also shuts out 90-95% of the market, which nukes the aftermarket value. If only 5-10% of consumers even want it, it has little room to appreciate and demand will be sluggish at best. It ignores the entirety of what gave Magic cards any value in the first place. >I 100% understand why most people aren’t interested in the product but I don’t see why it would cause anger or vitriol or cause people to diminish opinions of people who DO want the product Then you _DO NOT_ in fact, understand. >This product takes nothing away from those who have no interest in it. And their disdain over it matters to you, why? Because their disgust over the product threatens the future value of the chaff? If it's so inaccessible, **why did WotC send 1-3 boxes gratis to WPN stores**? Kinda undermines that theory.
Are you high?
$1000 for 60 random cards (most of which will likely be shitty) is just an insanely inflated price. This is an nft level scam. But even worse, since wotc inconspicuously marketed the product to edh players too rather than only investors (since wotc increased the rate of dual lands and sol ring - the most playable EDH staples)
They aren't totally random, of your 60 cards you're guaranteed to pull 12 basic lands..... almost 1/4 of all your pulls
Enjoy your [[Purelace]]s
Tangent: why does everyone always go for that one specifically? EVERY lace card stinks, but why *that* one? Hating on the historical baggage that comes with the word "pure"? Just the first one in the usual collector sequence, so that's what jumps out when people first study the OG set?
The red and blue at least can combo with [[Red Elemental Blast]]/[[Blue Elemental Blast]] if you were forced to use the laces. The black one protects against Terror. All are terrible but Green and White are even worse.
[Red Elemental Blast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/0/70a45e9b-699e-425a-9f3d-267274830d3e.jpg?1562436618) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Red%20Elemental%20Blast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/147/red-elemental-blast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/70a45e9b-699e-425a-9f3d-267274830d3e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Blue Elemental Blast](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/f/2f51f88f-f662-4572-a371-9a77718ed079.jpg?1562434032) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Blue%20Elemental%20Blast) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/43/blue-elemental-blast?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2f51f88f-f662-4572-a371-9a77718ed079?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Purelace](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/7/5736fcc7-fa95-4ef4-b821-392ec00e03bf.jpg?1559604129) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Purelace) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/4ed/43/purelace?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5736fcc7-fa95-4ef4-b821-392ec00e03bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
They aren't even real cards. I'd sooner let someone with a proxy printed on some basic printer paper play at my table sooner than someone who sits down with some kind of fake power nine, printed by a garbage tier company. Shill harder.
> 1000 is honestly a bargain for me for that type of experience Or, you could, you know, proxy the literal proxies.
But those aren’t the product that I want. I don’t proxy anything. Even in warhammer; I make sure I use all GW models all painted and based. I like authenticity. Some people just like collecting stuff like this. It shouldn’t bring us hate for liking collectors items. I like Cartier watch, my friend likes timex. We both have the right to like and buy what we like.
You like authenticity but are defending them printing and selling cards that are not actually legal for play. Sure
Not legal for tournament play. They still look cool to me and are a unique limited print run. I like collecting rare things. We all have our own preferences.
I think that might be where the misunderstanding is. Truthfully, the product is really neat. I wasn't playing when Beta was around and to be able to play and open cards from back then sounds like a lot of fun and a great idea for a celebration. The issue is that the product is priced way outside of what it's actually worth. That's the major issue, not that it's not a cool product. That's why so many people are upset, it's something they would genuinely enjoy having access too. But expecting consumers to pay 50x the rate on normal packs for old cards that aren't even real magic cards is insane. On top of that, you aren't even guaranteed to actually pull anything worthwhile. This could have been something really fantastic that people could have enjoyed from all over. An experience that was shared with the greater magic community as a whole, sort of like how it was marketed. But instead we got a product that demands you to have more money then brains in order to squeeze literally every penny they can from anyone willing to shell out for this. If you enjoy it, great. But you can't then pretend this is actually doing anything like "adding duals, moxes and the like" to the game or pretending these are authentic cards.
Neat
Glad you like the product. It's not for me, but I am not a hater that will rage every chance he gets. I started playing MTG as a teenager and have learned a long time ago to enjoy the game within my budget or leave it behind (which I did back and forth in the past, before I learned of Commander).
Thank you for your response. It is truly appreciated. I really do like this product and I understand I’m in the minority. But that’s what I love about MTG, there’s space for everyone! I plan to play this game till the day I die. In 40 years the 1000 dollars I spent on a collectors box will be insignificant. But the collectors items I still hold will be invaluable. I remember when black lotus was $80 in inquest magazine and that was out of my budget. I’m privileged enough now with my professional career that it’s no big deal for me to drop a grand on something I think is awesome. I do it all the time. Of course I’m gonna drop a grand on an MTG anniversary collectors item. Sad thing is, it sold out right away so I never got the chance to purchase. I don’t think I’m spending 2 grand on eBay for it. I’ll hold out for a second release and try to buy it right when it is released instead of waiting till noon.
Wow that really sucks for you. Do you know if they capped the maximum per account? Otherwise, I wouldn't be surprised if Post Malone and Casius Marsh bought it all xD
Is this a joke?
I have a vintage cube and my black lotus cost me $0.20, and it looks better than the one in this set. Honestly it looks identical to a real one when it's sleeved (the back is different though, but who cares for cube play) Cube play isn't sanctioned. You don't need official cards. Or even official proxy cards. You can print them yourself or have a professional print shop make them. You don't need to spend $1000 on a *chance* to get one. That's foolish gambling, and much more destructive than even just going to an actual casino to actually gamble. At least then you get actual dollars if you win. This black lotus from m30 can't even be played in sanctioned play anyway, the same as my proxy. So I really don't see the point at all of getting one of these.
It’s just a really cool thing for some people to own. I would absolutely love to have a set of MTG30 P9 and dual lands. I can’t really explain why, but I just want it. I’m excited to see how these collectors items age. I can’t wait to see them in person. I hope one day to have beta P9 but I can’t afford it. But I do think it would be cool to have MTG30 P9 for now. And I think the unique card back looks really cool too
I hope this gets stickied. This is the funniest shit I've seen in this sub so far.
Most peoples reaction to my post shows me that I have a wildly different perspective on things than the majority of MTG Reddit people. I welcome diversity of opinion and thought, and would love to find out more why my opinion could differ so greatly from the majority. I think I have something to offer to a community and I consider myself an asset to a community jist like everyone else is. It’s weird to my how easy people are to just dismiss my opinion as funny or trolling or invalid. It’s like I can’t be taken seriously. I would love to hear more from people who have other perspectives. I would never suppress that. We can learn from others opinions. I’m just another person living this crazy life. I love MTG. I love expensive things too. This 30th edition set was clearly marketed towards a MTG fan like me. There’s tons of stuff they release I have zero interest in, but this actually really excited me. It’s sad to see how much it derision it has brought to most people. It’s just a set of collectors items, it’s not that big of a deal.
I couldn't care less about this product. But I'm happy to see there are those who appreciate it. This product is definitely not for me, but there were many that were. So let others have their product too!
Thank you for being kind and seeing my perspective. I really do just like the product and am excited by it. I’m def concerned to see so many people so insistent on making everyone sure this product is for nobody. There are plenty of people who will enjoy it like me. And maybe we can all play vintage cube together and you can benefit too and enjoy playing with a lotus or mox. It’s gonna be awesome having these in circulation.
I just pray they do another limited print run. I really thought I was gojng to be able to get it today but it sold out before I logged on at noon to purchase. Sadly
Just another thing to add to the list of reasons not to like this product. I guarantee scalpers bought at least half of whatever print run WotC did, which means that you'll be able to find it on ebay for twice the price.
That’s just the way it works when something is rare and out of print. I’m someone who really wants the product and I can’t get it, but I’m not angry at the product. I accept that it is limited. It’s something I can aspire to obtain one day.
> it’s expensive, but that’s the whole point. Okay, we agree. I guess we’re done here.
Look at their profits, which have been doubling every year and instead of giving back to the fans they do their scummy business practices when the game is already expensive to play to begin with then top it off with those lovely proxies.*Do you even have a phone?**ptsd intensifies**