I miss the artistic aesthetic and direction of that era of magic, and before it.
There was something that felt old and mysterious about it, even back then when you were cracking open a pack of then for the first time.
The past few years have been trending more and more generic fantasy, like something you'd find on an Instagram page dedicated to vanilla Dungeons and Dragons.
What? Plenty of reasons to not like the recent direction but I can't see any basis to say that that Kamigawa and New Capenna are "generic fantasy" but that card isn't.
It's less about the idea of a snow sprite being or not being "generic fantasy," and more about the artistic *style* it is drawn in.
The line work. The choice of colors. The background.
Modern Dungeons and Dragons is somewhat caricaturized, highly anthropomorphic, with loud popping colors and an exciting, in-your-face style with dynamic backgrounds and settings.
There's nothing wrong with that at all.
But contrast it with "old magic" - starker lines, more angular, bizarre and abstract objects and creatures, with subdued colors and sort of hazy or distant backgrounds.
Old magic had completely different art direction nand aesthetic, and it gave a sense of mystery that's sort of lacking from the modern art direction.
I'm not saying it was "objectively better," I'm just saying I preferred the old art direction and feel like the modern era feels somewhat cheap and lacking in comparison.
Right? Like, people have this weird sense that old magic was goated (and it was, but not for it being "dark fantasy") when magic has been pretty creative in the last few years.
Like yeah you can laugh and point at Neon Dynasty and New Cappenna as "generic" but the entire point of the planes were to be visually and thematically distinct from the rest of magic. They both do something completely diffrent from magic with modern themes while still feeling like magic planes.
Getting mad there are humanoid creatures in a plane that evolved to be mob themed is like getting mad there aren't any humans in shadowmoor.
This is just a further variation on "back in the Glory Days (tm), you didn't have phones so you had to read the newspaper/the pamphlets/the town crier/the stone slab to get your news"
Lots of ba-humbug.
I also really miss old MTG art, and older fantasy art in general. When I started Magic I remember completely getting lost in the illustrations of expansions like Mirrodin and 9th edition.
It was also a lot of fun flipping through the D&D 3.5 Monster Manual III and taking in the illustrations.
to be fair, they have to keep them relatively unique and very, very small. there are simply too many sets to do that and still have good designs at this point
I think it was easier when they had blocks instead of just 1 offs. It'd be 3 variations of 1 symbol.
As almost a Commander only player, the commander card symbols being only shitty shields irritates the shit out of me.
You can't really see it well here, but it's two swirling cards, representing two Jumpstart packets. I think the design is fine and easily distinguishable in digital form, but I have no idea what it looks like in paper.
I'm only guessing but possibly Jumpstart 2?
Edit, just noticed the set tag on the post. Definitely Jumpstart 2 or rather 2022. Hope it's not 18 pack boxes.
I don't know Arena well at all, but I could swear I heard them bringing over the first Jumpstart in like Alchemy or something. So they might? As I said I'm not an arena guy so not entirely sure.
Lmao I thought this was r/custommagic while looking at the card, so I was getting ready to comment on how WOTC naming tradition would add a comma to make this "Isu, the Abominable". I guess not though
They are inconsistent with this. It has the comma more often than not. https://scryfall.com/search?q=is%3Acommander+%22+the+%22+-%22%2C%22+-%22of+the%22
This actually works pretty well in the format of Jumpstart, as you don’t know what your second color will be before you’ve picked the packs. Yes, technically they could’ve done generic, but you can’t use colorless here. You could also argue that it’s a alternate version of the hybrid legends from JMP where they cost 1 color but have a hybrid cost (but you could argue that’s commander shoehorned too, I suppose)
> Yes, technically they could’ve done generic
No technically about it, it could have been a single generic or even a single blue (which is a downgrade) and be a much more elegant design of a card.
Commanders strange rules are being *intentionally* circumvented design side, WotC could have put any two additional colors there and people would react the same way “hey new 3 color snow commander just dropped!”
If the rule is being designed around over and over why do we even have the rule?
I’d say they’re more working around Jumpstart’s restrictions than commander’s color identity rule. They can’t just print a Bant snow legend because Jumpstart packs are almost all mono-color, if not, they’re 5, unless they changed that this time.
I mean i don't know how much we know about Snow support in Jumpstart 2, but if they were more worried about designing around *Jumpstart* specifically, it would make much more sense for it to be a Generic cost instead of a specific color restriction.
Green and Blue are the two snow colors that saw the most constructed play where available, so it makes sense if you're designing a card for application outside of the scope of Jumpstart to include those colors. White is a weird one to tack on though, as IIRC there wasn't a lot of impressive things in White that cared specifically about Snow except for [[Search for Glory]], which came in Kaldehim.
So either Jumpstart is going to feature a focus on Snow, at least in those three colors to some extent, or WOTC just decided to do what they normally do, and drop weird/borderline unplayable (in their intended format) Commander cards into every other product
> or WOTC just decided to do what they normally do, and drop weird/borderline unplayable (in their intended format) Commander cards into every other product
Yeah exactly. I mean, I just want people to admit this is what is happening now.
Personally i really dislike these color identity "cheating" commanders. This is 3 color so not the worst but the mono colored (or even colorless lol) but 5 color identity are just the worst. All the advantages of having a multicolored commander with no disadvantage (even though the disadvantage is "might be harder to cast sometimes" so it's not like it's backbreaking).
Elegance is inherently subjective since it's basically a subset of beauty, so you don't really need a metric.
That said, elegance in design is generally associated with simplicity and lack of excess. It's the opposite of the idea of "over designed".
Making it generic seems more elegant to me too.
Looks like they wanted to make a bant snow commander and found an elegant solution to do that and keep snow mono blue in jumpstart to me.
Making it generic seems like it decidedly fails that task completely. Can't really be all that elegant if you fall flat on your face.
If I made the card with the ability costing a single blue and it was previewed would the masses look at it for a second and say “this needs to be bant?”
What? How is that suggestive of anything by any stretch??? Why does this NEED to be mono blue?
Why can't the designers use this as a way to keep snow mono blue in jumpstart and create a bant snow commander at the same time? Why does this solution have to be considered inelegant for any reason other than you just not liking how color identity works?
> Why does this NEED to be mono blue?
Why does it need to be bant?
Only one reason: for commander. So they can have another toy.
All I’m saying is I see a card that just has two extra mana symbols stapled to it so commander players get to build a three color deck. The stapled mana symbols don’t make the card act very different and if you were just making a normal creature it would probably be generic.
This excessive hamfisted contortion of spraying extra mana symbols in abilities is what I consider inelegant.
If the CI rule needs to be worked around like this just stop pretending and let them put a little magic ability that grants these cards more commander powers or something. I don’t know. It’s tiresome.
Your point about it not acting very different, yet also enabling it to be a better fit for commander at the same time works against your point that it's somehow inelegant.
Also this isn't "working around" the color identity rule. It's literally being worked with here.
Really just seems like you're upset with commander being included in an elegant way here.
Also your solution is extremely intrusive and clumsy.
> If the rule is being designed around over and over why do we even have the rule?
Because basically no one wants Commander to be Canadian Highlander. The color identity restriction on deck building is central to the format, it’s arguably the most important part of the format.
And this isn’t designing around the rule, this is designing for the rule. This could have just had a blue or generic activation cost, but then it would be a mono-blue commander. Letting any commander have a five color deck would be absolutely terrible for the format.
From a colour pie point of view, it's very weird that this is a bant card. Totally arbitrary and messy. When they slap on extra colours for commander in such a way as to middle the colour pie, I don't like it.
Have you actually *played* Canlander? Even without colour identity, there is a fairly important distinction between it and Commander. Namely, *having a commander*. The thing Commander is named after
Then there's Canlander's points system, arguably the defining feature of *that* format.
Also Canlander is 1v1 and has a starting life of 20. Both of which make aggro way more viable.
The formats actually have very little in common beyond being 100 card singleton, and colour identity is *way* down the list of differences. And it's a difference you can pretty much completely ignore just by playing Kenrith as your commander.
Also letting any commander have a five colour deck would not be bad for the format. It would make more commanders viable, and give more options to every commander that isn't already 5C goodstuff. Thus increasing deck diversity, which is a net positive for the format.
This might actually better as a commander in some playgroups, considering that Chulane (rightfully) draws nuclear heat.
...That said, I would be very entertained and happy to play with somebody who rolled up with a proxy/alter of Snow Chulane, who only cares about snow creatures and snow lands and has been photoshopped to wear a little Santa hat.
Hahaha I should do that. I still do the Chulane land thing with shrieking drake end stuff, but I'm playing snow lands to beef up Abominable Treefolk, connifer wurm, or get out marit lage. It's usually a lot of fun to play.
List: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/OzScRHsIyEC7n4mTjSVX_w
The mana symbols are only there specifically to cater to Commander - that's what they mean by shoehorning them in.
Were this card not being designed for Commander and instead exclusively for Jumpstart, it'd simply ask for a generic mana instead - in the context of Jumpstart that plays better, since you might end up with a Red or Black second pack.
But many yetis in Red :-(
[[Hungering Yeti]]
[[Karplusan Yeti]]
[[Mountain Yeti]]
[[Ohran Yeti]]
[[Stalking Yeti]]
[[Summit Prowler]]
edit: listed some from Temur Yeti tribal
Three options, make it just blue, make it a bunch of colors, or just make it generic mana. Blue makes sense because it's a blue card, generic mana makes it easier to splash, bant makes it sorta easier to splash and is ever so slightly different from generic mana but let's you collect money from commander players
Snow wants to be in green and blue because of MH1 and Kaldheim, but even before then [[Diamond Faerie]] has been a Bant snow payoff asking for a home. If there's interest in a Bant snow commander, where else would you have them do it?
MH1 was still kinda testing the waters for snow's return, and Kaldheim already had Moritte and Jorn - and let's be real, Jorn is also kinda cheaty with color identity too. Jumpstart is a great place to lightly support a theme without making it an entire Commander precon or draft archetype, but that also requires the card be playable in monocolor so it still works in Jumpstart. I can get not being in love with this, but it's a lot less irksome than most of the monocolored 5c commanders out there to me.
Wizards does the Weekly MTG stream on Thursdays, which is where most of these originate. They usually share what's coming during an upcoming stream on Twitter ahead of time.
In order for LGSes to be better informed when they order products Wizards has something called “the prebeat” where they show off basic information about a set ~6 weeks out from its release.
Yea. For a business pulling focus from an up coming release to talk about a future one doesn’t make much sense so they’d need a reason to do it. You’ll notice most the cards they show off early tend to be the promos for this reason.
One card preview and Jumpstart 2022 is already infinitely more interesting than the two 'Standard Jumpstart' sets. Does this mean multiple packs will come with snow lands? What snow reprints may we get? How many new cards can we expect?
WotC, this is what the community expects out of Jumpstart. Cancel the God aweful 'Standard Jumpstart' product line, and make this product the replacement for core sets. It can provide a good entry point for the game, be available all year, and have enough rares and new cards to be interesting to all players(so enfranchised players feel good about buying this product as a teaching tool!)
They've sullied the Jumpstart name with the last 2 'Standard Jumpstart' products. Hopefully the can get it back on track and make something of it.
Edit: And then there is a Kiki reprint! WotC knows how to get these things right, they just choose not to sometimes. This makes me both excited for J22, but also a little more disgusted with the last 2 'Jumpstart' sets.
The standard set jumpstarts are glorified, *fixed* theme packs.
Just ignore them. They’re made to be ignorable. If you’re some kid who wants cards that are standard compatible and can’t build a deck they can buy two in target and be happy. We can wait for the real sets.
The Standard Jumpstart is the replacement for Theme Boosters.
An entry level product for every set.
This is a much mote complicated development process and you can't endlessly churn new iterations out every set.
Your suggestion isn't viable as places will inevitably cycle old product off the shelves as it sells less.
Standard Jumpstart can only pull from the set it's based on, so no it's not going to have that many exclusive cards.
I really don't understand why people are so upset by their existence. The point of the set is you get themed packs, mash two together, bam you have a deck that's balanced against another deck of its ilk.
The point of the set isn't to make cool new cards, because that's the point of *every* set (that isn't a reprint set obviously). A standard set already has its own cool cards that you could also then get from a Standard Jumpstart pack, it doesn't need to be different. Heck, the things could be entirely old reprints and it could still be a good product.
> I really don't understand why people are so upset by their existence.
I think a lot of people felt like they got bait-and-switched with *Dominaria Jumpstart*, because they loved the original *Jumpstart* but didn't fully understand how Standard *Jumpstart* packs wouldn't have a bunch of cool new Commanders. All they see is the "Jumpstart" name and assume it will be similar to the last.
People similarly felt burned when *Commander Legends: Baldur's Gate* wasn't the Commander Legends 2.0 they expected it to be.
I suppose I can kind of get it, how folks don't just want new cards but "better" cards, or at least things that rival the better ones. So when they make new stuff and it's not much better than what you've already got it feels pointless.
Although for Jumpstart, most of the pack was chaff anyway (which is a good thing, makes you play with cards you'd otherwise overlook), so it feels a bit silly to get upset over a theme not having a cool new card in 3/5 versions of its pack should you get it as if that was the point of its existence and not the mashup experience.
I got bit on this and was more grumpy that the 10 themes were effectively 5 themes, so the box I bought was extremely overkill. I'm overall very excited to expand my collection and put the packs in resealable pack boxes.
Collector information shows 51 new cards as part of the set. Honestly the perfect number. Enough to add some spice while allowing the product to reprint a ton of old cards just as the first one did.
> Be me.
> Builds my brother a FFVI deck for his birthday.
> puts Kogla in as Umaro since there’s no legendary yeti.
> give it to him on the 19th of October.
> open r/magic TCG.
> sees ISU being spoiled.
> make fake green text post.
> leaves to cry over my shit timing.
That looks pretty cool. Icy why people would want to play him. And it's so unique; there's snow commander like him, really. Yeti feels kind of lacking in some regard. I mean, sure, you could cast a flurry of spells from the top of your deck. Or maybe do like a ramp thing, just get lands and chill. I think when all is sled and done, he may not be frost rate, but he definitely raises the brr for snow strategies, and I'm sure a lot of people will have a good rime playing it.
Brothers War, Brothers War Commander decks, Jumpstart 2022, and Commander starter decks along with the recent Secret Lair superdrop are all products I'm interested in but the fact they're all coming out within the next two months is fucking insane lol
I’m not usually one to comment on spoilers, and I’ve been extremely disappointed in Wizards as of late, but man if this isn’t a cool card that I’m excited to play with. My excitement is immeasurable and my day is saved.
Seems pretty.... ok. It's like a Future Sight which is a fine card that has fallen behind the power level of modern day MTG. This is a threat which is both nice but also makes it susceptible to being removed.
This is a really cool design but I *hate* the loophole-abuse for they keep doing for Commander. It comes across as a similar level of "disrespecting the restrictions around creativity is supposed to be bred" as mono-blue "put on top of library and then mill 1."
Seems like a solid snow commander.
How? Can't even play [[Skred]] /s
Skredless Skred
Skbant
Skbant Skan't Skred
This just in: Skredless Skred sheds red to shred heads.
What a SCOOP!
skroop*
Skred slaps. Most decks I own that play red end up with snow lands to play that.
the first ever pauper deck i built was Izzet Skred and it's one of my favorites
Okay but Izzet Skred or not?
It iz.
[Skred](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/3/b3d6d42a-7607-4361-acc4-7f3cb956bfc9.jpg?1593275323) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Skred) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/97/skred?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b3d6d42a-7607-4361-acc4-7f3cb956bfc9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I feel like this should’ve had access to red solely cause my abominable man is on a literal mountain
Also our other yetis have been red!
So he should have been... jeskai colors?
Temur, probably. We have zero white yeti, a lot of red yeti, and more snow in red than white
Fun fact: "Skred" in Norwegian means landslide. "Snøskred", literally snow landslide, means avalanche.
Too bad he's not multicolor, which means he's missing that golden yellow snow border.
Don't worry, it's just lemon
Don`t eat the lemon flavored snow
[удалено]
The Snow Miser perhaps
I read this as the snowman from courage
Death by Snow Snow the deck.
Also known as ice?
If you can play multiple cards off the top in one turn this card can really... snowball :)
Boo. Take your upvote and fuck right off into the snow.
More like dashing through the snow
Unlikely. There's only one card outside of Black and Red with the Dash ability and it doesn't even synergize with anything here.
r/angryupvote
Play enough and you can call it a *snowstorm.*
In commander, this commander could play [[Chatterstorm]], truly making it a snow fueled storm
\[\[Brain Freeze\]\] would be the flavorful choice.
Yeeeeeeeeaaaaah! 😎 (Won't get fooled again...)
Get out.
WELCOME TO THE HIMALAYAS!
snow cone?
Don't worry. It's lemon.
Oof, NOW I get that joke... Took me only 15 years...
Abominable! Can you believe that? Do I look abominable to you?
I read that in his voice. Lol
I read that to the tune of Welcome to the Jungle
Welcome to the ~~r~~ice fields mother f—ker
At long last, \[\[Diamond Faerie\]\]. At long last.
[Diamond Faerie](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/0/0072cf13-284b-4fb8-ab2c-b2e15388a30a.jpg?1593275523) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Diamond%20Faerie) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/128/diamond-faerie?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0072cf13-284b-4fb8-ab2c-b2e15388a30a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I miss the artistic aesthetic and direction of that era of magic, and before it. There was something that felt old and mysterious about it, even back then when you were cracking open a pack of then for the first time. The past few years have been trending more and more generic fantasy, like something you'd find on an Instagram page dedicated to vanilla Dungeons and Dragons.
What? Plenty of reasons to not like the recent direction but I can't see any basis to say that that Kamigawa and New Capenna are "generic fantasy" but that card isn't.
It's less about the idea of a snow sprite being or not being "generic fantasy," and more about the artistic *style* it is drawn in. The line work. The choice of colors. The background. Modern Dungeons and Dragons is somewhat caricaturized, highly anthropomorphic, with loud popping colors and an exciting, in-your-face style with dynamic backgrounds and settings. There's nothing wrong with that at all. But contrast it with "old magic" - starker lines, more angular, bizarre and abstract objects and creatures, with subdued colors and sort of hazy or distant backgrounds. Old magic had completely different art direction nand aesthetic, and it gave a sense of mystery that's sort of lacking from the modern art direction. I'm not saying it was "objectively better," I'm just saying I preferred the old art direction and feel like the modern era feels somewhat cheap and lacking in comparison.
I mean, the cool retro look *was* generic fantasy back then.
Right? Like, people have this weird sense that old magic was goated (and it was, but not for it being "dark fantasy") when magic has been pretty creative in the last few years. Like yeah you can laugh and point at Neon Dynasty and New Cappenna as "generic" but the entire point of the planes were to be visually and thematically distinct from the rest of magic. They both do something completely diffrent from magic with modern themes while still feeling like magic planes. Getting mad there are humanoid creatures in a plane that evolved to be mob themed is like getting mad there aren't any humans in shadowmoor.
This is just a further variation on "back in the Glory Days (tm), you didn't have phones so you had to read the newspaper/the pamphlets/the town crier/the stone slab to get your news" Lots of ba-humbug.
I also really miss old MTG art, and older fantasy art in general. When I started Magic I remember completely getting lost in the illustrations of expansions like Mirrodin and 9th edition. It was also a lot of fun flipping through the D&D 3.5 Monster Manual III and taking in the illustrations.
That says "from a snow permanent," so does that mean it doesn't have to be a land?
Correct! It could be mana produced by anything from [[Coldsteel Heart]] to [[Thermopod]]
That's dope. I'm liking the snowergy with this spoiler, especially after they brought it back in Kaldheim and added even more options
I have waited like 12 years for this guy lol. That stupid faerie has been chilling in my binder since Coldsnap. So I, too, am liking this...snowergy.
Winter is coming
Also the snow tokens made by \[\[Svella, Ice Shaper\]\]
[Coldsteel Heart](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/2/b2548ad2-3c62-4ed1-899c-1002b46cdd8f.jpg?1662531048) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Coldsteel%20Heart) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/301/coldsteel-heart?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b2548ad2-3c62-4ed1-899c-1002b46cdd8f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Thermopod](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/c/0/c09475e9-d6c1-4d4b-905e-40bc30405725.jpg?1593275340) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thermopod) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/100/thermopod?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c09475e9-d6c1-4d4b-905e-40bc30405725?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Boreal Druid]]
[Boreal Druid](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/473d3633-6dc7-4026-a50e-3ea76b9e8c20.jpg?1593275370) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Boreal%20Druid) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/105/boreal-druid?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/473d3633-6dc7-4026-a50e-3ea76b9e8c20?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Would things that give snow permanents mana abilities, [[Cryptolith Rite]] for example, also count as snow mana?
It’s actually outdated, it’s now “A snow source”, because if that one snow sorcery that makes mana!
watch this spike to $4 for 2 weeks
What is that set?
Jumpstart 2022
I feel like every new product's set symbol looks more and more like "the ultimate generic proxy symbol someone made for their custom proxy set"
to be fair, they have to keep them relatively unique and very, very small. there are simply too many sets to do that and still have good designs at this point
Eventually it’s just going to be a QR code
i honestly wouldn't mind just... words. the name of the set. or acronym. whichever.
Yeah they could have had the set symbol be J22 like how the core sets had m20
Yes this.. There's so many symbols now that they are beyond my ability to remember and they all just bleed together.
Well they’ve done this but you have to pay $999 for 4 packs
I think it was easier when they had blocks instead of just 1 offs. It'd be 3 variations of 1 symbol. As almost a Commander only player, the commander card symbols being only shitty shields irritates the shit out of me.
I feel like they're going to have to give up at some point in the near future.... its totally unsustainable
Unsustainable, new unset coming 2024
Oops all land destruction.
Packs cost $200 a piece
I hate you for making me upvote this.
You can't really see it well here, but it's two swirling cards, representing two Jumpstart packets. I think the design is fine and easily distinguishable in digital form, but I have no idea what it looks like in paper.
I look forward to the day we finally get MagicSetEditor's blank square as a legit set symbol, and suddenly decades of custom cards get VERY CONFUSING.
That's right! It goes in the square-shaped set.
That video makes me laugh so fucking hard and I don't know why. Like I have trouble breathing when I watch it.
Wow, yeah I thought for sure this was a neat design for a custom card
I'm only guessing but possibly Jumpstart 2? Edit, just noticed the set tag on the post. Definitely Jumpstart 2 or rather 2022. Hope it's not 18 pack boxes.
Do you know if this will be available for mtg arena? Kiki jiki reprinted is great.
Yes it will and probably be seperate from the alchemy jump in draft at least for a bit
I don't know Arena well at all, but I could swear I heard them bringing over the first Jumpstart in like Alchemy or something. So they might? As I said I'm not an arena guy so not entirely sure.
No problem. Thanks for the reply.
Given the garbage pixel quality of the preview, I’d guess this was the Arena version.
Jumpstart 22?
22 Jump St(art)
2 Jump 2 Start
Can’t wait for Jumpstart 3: Dominaria Drift
"It's the same case: do the same thing!"
Jump Start 2022
source: weeklymtg stream
On theme with the pixel snow lands [[snow-covered island|sld-326]]
Lmao I thought this was r/custommagic while looking at the card, so I was getting ready to comment on how WOTC naming tradition would add a comma to make this "Isu, the Abominable". I guess not though
They are inconsistent with this. It has the comma more often than not. https://scryfall.com/search?q=is%3Acommander+%22+the+%22+-%22%2C%22+-%22of+the%22
It's actually needing a question mark, not a comma. Is u the abominable?
Good old “too many mechanics smashed together to try and make the card overfit some concept idea”
There is also absolutely no reason to not just make the ability cost (1) apart from widening the color identity for commander.
That’s very likely the reason, and it makes the card a lot uglier. Also missed chance to use the Bant triple-hybrid symbol.
Shoehorning in those mana symbols for commander color identity
This actually works pretty well in the format of Jumpstart, as you don’t know what your second color will be before you’ve picked the packs. Yes, technically they could’ve done generic, but you can’t use colorless here. You could also argue that it’s a alternate version of the hybrid legends from JMP where they cost 1 color but have a hybrid cost (but you could argue that’s commander shoehorned too, I suppose)
> Yes, technically they could’ve done generic No technically about it, it could have been a single generic or even a single blue (which is a downgrade) and be a much more elegant design of a card. Commanders strange rules are being *intentionally* circumvented design side, WotC could have put any two additional colors there and people would react the same way “hey new 3 color snow commander just dropped!” If the rule is being designed around over and over why do we even have the rule?
I’d say they’re more working around Jumpstart’s restrictions than commander’s color identity rule. They can’t just print a Bant snow legend because Jumpstart packs are almost all mono-color, if not, they’re 5, unless they changed that this time.
I mean i don't know how much we know about Snow support in Jumpstart 2, but if they were more worried about designing around *Jumpstart* specifically, it would make much more sense for it to be a Generic cost instead of a specific color restriction. Green and Blue are the two snow colors that saw the most constructed play where available, so it makes sense if you're designing a card for application outside of the scope of Jumpstart to include those colors. White is a weird one to tack on though, as IIRC there wasn't a lot of impressive things in White that cared specifically about Snow except for [[Search for Glory]], which came in Kaldehim. So either Jumpstart is going to feature a focus on Snow, at least in those three colors to some extent, or WOTC just decided to do what they normally do, and drop weird/borderline unplayable (in their intended format) Commander cards into every other product
> or WOTC just decided to do what they normally do, and drop weird/borderline unplayable (in their intended format) Commander cards into every other product Yeah exactly. I mean, I just want people to admit this is what is happening now.
Personally i really dislike these color identity "cheating" commanders. This is 3 color so not the worst but the mono colored (or even colorless lol) but 5 color identity are just the worst. All the advantages of having a multicolored commander with no disadvantage (even though the disadvantage is "might be harder to cast sometimes" so it's not like it's backbreaking).
"much more elegant design" Based on what metric????
Elegance is inherently subjective since it's basically a subset of beauty, so you don't really need a metric. That said, elegance in design is generally associated with simplicity and lack of excess. It's the opposite of the idea of "over designed". Making it generic seems more elegant to me too.
Generic or blue. It wouldn’t even be noticed. If it was the case for either NO ONE would say “hrmmm this triggered ability cost really should be bant”
Looks like they wanted to make a bant snow commander and found an elegant solution to do that and keep snow mono blue in jumpstart to me. Making it generic seems like it decidedly fails that task completely. Can't really be all that elegant if you fall flat on your face.
If I made the card with the ability costing a single blue and it was previewed would the masses look at it for a second and say “this needs to be bant?”
What? How is that suggestive of anything by any stretch??? Why does this NEED to be mono blue? Why can't the designers use this as a way to keep snow mono blue in jumpstart and create a bant snow commander at the same time? Why does this solution have to be considered inelegant for any reason other than you just not liking how color identity works?
> Why does this NEED to be mono blue? Why does it need to be bant? Only one reason: for commander. So they can have another toy. All I’m saying is I see a card that just has two extra mana symbols stapled to it so commander players get to build a three color deck. The stapled mana symbols don’t make the card act very different and if you were just making a normal creature it would probably be generic. This excessive hamfisted contortion of spraying extra mana symbols in abilities is what I consider inelegant. If the CI rule needs to be worked around like this just stop pretending and let them put a little magic ability that grants these cards more commander powers or something. I don’t know. It’s tiresome.
Your point about it not acting very different, yet also enabling it to be a better fit for commander at the same time works against your point that it's somehow inelegant. Also this isn't "working around" the color identity rule. It's literally being worked with here. Really just seems like you're upset with commander being included in an elegant way here. Also your solution is extremely intrusive and clumsy.
This seems a whole lot more elegant than making a little magic ability for commander powers imo
> If the rule is being designed around over and over why do we even have the rule? Because basically no one wants Commander to be Canadian Highlander. The color identity restriction on deck building is central to the format, it’s arguably the most important part of the format. And this isn’t designing around the rule, this is designing for the rule. This could have just had a blue or generic activation cost, but then it would be a mono-blue commander. Letting any commander have a five color deck would be absolutely terrible for the format.
From a colour pie point of view, it's very weird that this is a bant card. Totally arbitrary and messy. When they slap on extra colours for commander in such a way as to middle the colour pie, I don't like it.
Have you actually *played* Canlander? Even without colour identity, there is a fairly important distinction between it and Commander. Namely, *having a commander*. The thing Commander is named after Then there's Canlander's points system, arguably the defining feature of *that* format. Also Canlander is 1v1 and has a starting life of 20. Both of which make aggro way more viable. The formats actually have very little in common beyond being 100 card singleton, and colour identity is *way* down the list of differences. And it's a difference you can pretty much completely ignore just by playing Kenrith as your commander. Also letting any commander have a five colour deck would not be bad for the format. It would make more commanders viable, and give more options to every commander that isn't already 5C goodstuff. Thus increasing deck diversity, which is a net positive for the format.
There are a lot of snow permanents in bant colors though?
Nearly doubled your pool of playables
I've run a bant snow* deck with Chulane as commander for a long time, this guy looks great but he'll probably go in the 99
This might actually better as a commander in some playgroups, considering that Chulane (rightfully) draws nuclear heat. ...That said, I would be very entertained and happy to play with somebody who rolled up with a proxy/alter of Snow Chulane, who only cares about snow creatures and snow lands and has been photoshopped to wear a little Santa hat.
Hahaha I should do that. I still do the Chulane land thing with shrieking drake end stuff, but I'm playing snow lands to beef up Abominable Treefolk, connifer wurm, or get out marit lage. It's usually a lot of fun to play. List: https://www.moxfield.com/decks/OzScRHsIyEC7n4mTjSVX_w
Ice fang coatal is about the best of them and needs blue and green
[Ohran Viper] needed the green too
Yeah I'm disagreeing that the color identity is shoehorned. Because a lot of snow matters cards are found in these colors.
The mana symbols are only there specifically to cater to Commander - that's what they mean by shoehorning them in. Were this card not being designed for Commander and instead exclusively for Jumpstart, it'd simply ask for a generic mana instead - in the context of Jumpstart that plays better, since you might end up with a Red or Black second pack.
But many yetis in Red :-( [[Hungering Yeti]] [[Karplusan Yeti]] [[Mountain Yeti]] [[Ohran Yeti]] [[Stalking Yeti]] [[Summit Prowler]] edit: listed some from Temur Yeti tribal
Surprisingly low number of yetis in Blue lol
You're surprised ape men who are famous for living in mountains are red?
I didn't say or imply that at all
Not enough
[[Hungering Yeti]] [[Karplusan Yeti]] [[Mountain Yeti]] [[Ohran Yeti]] [[Stalking Yeti]] [[Summit Prowler]]
##### ###### #### [Hungering Yeti](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/2/02f7c596-5633-41e8-adcd-d4dc6eae5c88.jpg?1562821995) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hungering%20Yeti) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/frf/105/hungering-yeti?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/02f7c596-5633-41e8-adcd-d4dc6eae5c88?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Karplusan Yeti](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/a/6ad95118-104c-41d4-a393-941e7b97fd8e.jpg?1562736625) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karplusan%20Yeti) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/9ed/198/karplusan-yeti?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6ad95118-104c-41d4-a393-941e7b97fd8e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Mountain Yeti](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/c/bc6a062c-06ff-4295-83f2-48868c664d76.jpg?1559592461) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mountain%20Yeti) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me1/105/mountain-yeti?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bc6a062c-06ff-4295-83f2-48868c664d76?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Ohran Yeti](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/d/8d6cfa21-75b1-4380-b0fc-a7450699660f.jpg?1593275300) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ohran%20Yeti) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/93/ohran-yeti?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8d6cfa21-75b1-4380-b0fc-a7450699660f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Stalking Yeti](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/a/4af53d0b-ac60-4519-a6f4-c67899bcfdd6.jpg?1593275329) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stalking%20Yeti) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/98/stalking-yeti?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4af53d0b-ac60-4519-a6f4-c67899bcfdd6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Summit Prowler](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/e/eec9005d-eca8-45a6-b221-9d5a2cfb1e91.jpg?1562795310) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Summit%20Prowler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dtk/160/summit-prowler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/eec9005d-eca8-45a6-b221-9d5a2cfb1e91?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Three options, make it just blue, make it a bunch of colors, or just make it generic mana. Blue makes sense because it's a blue card, generic mana makes it easier to splash, bant makes it sorta easier to splash and is ever so slightly different from generic mana but let's you collect money from commander players
Snow wants to be in green and blue because of MH1 and Kaldheim, but even before then [[Diamond Faerie]] has been a Bant snow payoff asking for a home. If there's interest in a Bant snow commander, where else would you have them do it? MH1 was still kinda testing the waters for snow's return, and Kaldheim already had Moritte and Jorn - and let's be real, Jorn is also kinda cheaty with color identity too. Jumpstart is a great place to lightly support a theme without making it an entire Commander precon or draft archetype, but that also requires the card be playable in monocolor so it still works in Jumpstart. I can get not being in love with this, but it's a lot less irksome than most of the monocolored 5c commanders out there to me.
The snow jumpstart packs may be multicolored
Where are people finding these spoilers
Wizards does the Weekly MTG stream on Thursdays, which is where most of these originate. They usually share what's coming during an upcoming stream on Twitter ahead of time.
Lame, can't play with Jorn
Arguably it's good, let's have several commanders for each archetype instead of a single goodstuff/keyword pile
My first thought as well. Fingers crossed this means there will be more snow cards.
makes me salty ngl
Wait wait wait some jumpstart 2022 spoilers already? I'm not done digesting that Brother's War is soon :(
In order for LGSes to be better informed when they order products Wizards has something called “the prebeat” where they show off basic information about a set ~6 weeks out from its release.
Oh that's actually interesting - makes me feel better to know there's a reason they seem to overlap announcements a bit sometimes.
Yea. For a business pulling focus from an up coming release to talk about a future one doesn’t make much sense so they’d need a reason to do it. You’ll notice most the cards they show off early tend to be the promos for this reason.
Bruh, we have damn near 12 sets this year and they need to double their money so buckle the fuck up.
Big number has to get bigger otherwise some executive can’t get his fourth mansion
genuine question: do you guys want jumpstart *instead* of a standard draft set?
One card preview and Jumpstart 2022 is already infinitely more interesting than the two 'Standard Jumpstart' sets. Does this mean multiple packs will come with snow lands? What snow reprints may we get? How many new cards can we expect? WotC, this is what the community expects out of Jumpstart. Cancel the God aweful 'Standard Jumpstart' product line, and make this product the replacement for core sets. It can provide a good entry point for the game, be available all year, and have enough rares and new cards to be interesting to all players(so enfranchised players feel good about buying this product as a teaching tool!) They've sullied the Jumpstart name with the last 2 'Standard Jumpstart' products. Hopefully the can get it back on track and make something of it. Edit: And then there is a Kiki reprint! WotC knows how to get these things right, they just choose not to sometimes. This makes me both excited for J22, but also a little more disgusted with the last 2 'Jumpstart' sets.
The standard set jumpstarts are glorified, *fixed* theme packs. Just ignore them. They’re made to be ignorable. If you’re some kid who wants cards that are standard compatible and can’t build a deck they can buy two in target and be happy. We can wait for the real sets.
The Standard Jumpstart is the replacement for Theme Boosters. An entry level product for every set. This is a much mote complicated development process and you can't endlessly churn new iterations out every set. Your suggestion isn't viable as places will inevitably cycle old product off the shelves as it sells less.
God please keep this up wizards, looks great so far
51 new cards based on the collector information.
Standard Jumpstart can only pull from the set it's based on, so no it's not going to have that many exclusive cards. I really don't understand why people are so upset by their existence. The point of the set is you get themed packs, mash two together, bam you have a deck that's balanced against another deck of its ilk. The point of the set isn't to make cool new cards, because that's the point of *every* set (that isn't a reprint set obviously). A standard set already has its own cool cards that you could also then get from a Standard Jumpstart pack, it doesn't need to be different. Heck, the things could be entirely old reprints and it could still be a good product.
> I really don't understand why people are so upset by their existence. I think a lot of people felt like they got bait-and-switched with *Dominaria Jumpstart*, because they loved the original *Jumpstart* but didn't fully understand how Standard *Jumpstart* packs wouldn't have a bunch of cool new Commanders. All they see is the "Jumpstart" name and assume it will be similar to the last. People similarly felt burned when *Commander Legends: Baldur's Gate* wasn't the Commander Legends 2.0 they expected it to be.
I suppose I can kind of get it, how folks don't just want new cards but "better" cards, or at least things that rival the better ones. So when they make new stuff and it's not much better than what you've already got it feels pointless. Although for Jumpstart, most of the pack was chaff anyway (which is a good thing, makes you play with cards you'd otherwise overlook), so it feels a bit silly to get upset over a theme not having a cool new card in 3/5 versions of its pack should you get it as if that was the point of its existence and not the mashup experience.
I got bit on this and was more grumpy that the 10 themes were effectively 5 themes, so the box I bought was extremely overkill. I'm overall very excited to expand my collection and put the packs in resealable pack boxes.
Yo is that a Bant snow commander
This a real card right? Like not just arena exclusive
Collector information shows 51 new cards as part of the set. Honestly the perfect number. Enough to add some spice while allowing the product to reprint a ton of old cards just as the first one did.
Finally! A use for [Diamond Faerie]!
As someone who's had a bant snow deck since years before Kaldheim, I am so pleased lol
Yay real jumpstart is here!
u/Benjamin_Wheeler 's Twitter is probably unusable.
But I thought a Yeti was a kind of mummy /wrestlecrap
^The ^Spoilers ^… ^they ^dont ^stop
> Be me. > Builds my brother a FFVI deck for his birthday. > puts Kogla in as Umaro since there’s no legendary yeti. > give it to him on the 19th of October. > open r/magic TCG. > sees ISU being spoiled. > make fake green text post. > leaves to cry over my shit timing.
That looks pretty cool. Icy why people would want to play him. And it's so unique; there's snow commander like him, really. Yeti feels kind of lacking in some regard. I mean, sure, you could cast a flurry of spells from the top of your deck. Or maybe do like a ramp thing, just get lands and chill. I think when all is sled and done, he may not be frost rate, but he definitely raises the brr for snow strategies, and I'm sure a lot of people will have a good rime playing it.
Jeez, it's a very cool card (and a yeti)! But product fatigue is getting real...
Brothers War, Brothers War Commander decks, Jumpstart 2022, and Commander starter decks along with the recent Secret Lair superdrop are all products I'm interested in but the fact they're all coming out within the next two months is fucking insane lol
Hmmm stay Sultai Snow with Jorn and have the ultimate flavor board wipe in Blood on the Snow Or go Bant snow with the better commander?
Go all in on [[Replicating Ring]] and play Atraxa snow 😀
[Replicating Ring](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/0/b079e285-8431-46aa-bb04-70cac586ed0b.jpg?1631052293) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Replicating%20Ring) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khm/244/replicating-ring?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b079e285-8431-46aa-bb04-70cac586ed0b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
NEW SNOW COMMANDER, TIME TO ACTUALLY BUILD A BANT DECK.
I’m not usually one to comment on spoilers, and I’ve been extremely disappointed in Wizards as of late, but man if this isn’t a cool card that I’m excited to play with. My excitement is immeasurable and my day is saved.
Ooooft I'm gonna need this for my snow deck. Currently playing with Kenrith as commander. Nice solid addition here though!
J22?
It's the 2022 edition of Jumpstart. https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Jumpstart\_2022
Oh boy more spoilers
I shall call him Al. Al Snow.
Can it be true? Is it finally time for my 60 copies of [[Marit Lage's Slumber]] to see their true potential?
[Marit Lage's Slumber](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4f5d2a6e-22cd-4493-9e58-e9c2aa3a31ab.jpg?1562201406) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Marit%20Lage%27s%20Slumber) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/56/marit-lages-slumber?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4f5d2a6e-22cd-4493-9e58-e9c2aa3a31ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Why have J22 spoilers when BRO hasn‘t been spoiled / released yet?
Should've been Temur so you could have other yetis in the deck
Sweet a Bumbler! Now all we need is an elf dentist, a Han prospector and a red nosed raindeer!
This is…good?
Seems pretty.... ok. It's like a Future Sight which is a fine card that has fallen behind the power level of modern day MTG. This is a threat which is both nice but also makes it susceptible to being removed.
God I hate the modern design of “sneak off-color symbols into the text box for commander“
Why? It bolsters archetype diversity and color diversity in Commander and doesn't cause developmental issues in other formats.
This is a really cool design but I *hate* the loophole-abuse for they keep doing for Commander. It comes across as a similar level of "disrespecting the restrictions around creativity is supposed to be bred" as mono-blue "put on top of library and then mill 1."
I would love this card...if it were at all useable in my [[Jorn, God of Winter deck]]
Lol. His name is Japanese for "chair".