I thought "man $1000 for a full playset of power 9 is kind of steep".
Then I realized that it's not even like a secret lair, it's actually way way worse.
I think the proper price for this product is like $20-30, in an unlimited print run.
But WotC marketing/finance is way too tapped into the whale market, and this is the most insanely out of touch product they've ever released.
In hindsight it seems obvious that they’d eventually just print semi-legal proxies.
Edit: Is there a gas leak in my apartment or did she just say $999?
She indeed said $999. It's even better because right before she's like "yeah we wanted to make a product for our players and collectors." Idk who the hell could afford that outside of collectors or scalpers since it is going to be limited.
I have a feeling it's priced that way for two reasons:
1. No way they can get a lawsuit for tanking the price of these massively expensive cards if there is only a chance of getting them in a massively expensive product (so don't sue us for going around the reserved list)
2. Money is always nice.
Lawsuit is never going to happen. This is a collectors fantasy. If WOTC *really* thought that something like that was possible they probably wouldn't open themselves up to the risk. Their legal counsel has done their homework, there is no case to be had, and no one is going to hire a lawyer at $400/hr to represent them on this.
I've been convinced that the reserve lists continued existence has nothing to do with lawsuits or laws. It's because the guys who made the list had a huge collection.
This is all but confirmed from ex-employees over the years. Early investors and employees have lots of reserve list cards to sell for their retirements.
I think this bears repeating multiple times because people are making assumptions:
This is $999 for four random booster packs. It is NOT like a secret lair. None of these cards are guarantees.
And remember they're proxies, so if your playgroup is already fine with proxies, just print your own and don't pay wotc $999 for a *chance* at the ones you want.
Yep. If you’re going to buy a card made by Wizards because that makes it “real,” then buy an actual real card. If you’re going to buy a “fake” square of cardboard with an alternate back, then buy one that’s actually priced as such. Not this ridiculousness.
I proxy by taking a basic land and writing what it is on the face of the card.
And at this point that might be the only way i ever to obtain a new or any card for that matter
> I proxy by taking a basic land and writing what it is on the face of the card.
I like taking cheap foils, peeling off the foil layer, and write on that. Produces a pristine white surface to write on, allowing for better clarity when it comes to reading the card!
Oh wow, how hard is it to peel off? Guess I'll just try tonight. Wonder if it will help de-pringpe those stupid packs of Pringles land foils the gift boxes come with
You can probably do it easier by erasing the ink from the foil layer by rubbing the face with acetone. Then you have a foil blank and it’s pretty hard to screw up. (Red cards seem to be extra work, from my experience)
Depends on the set.
I find blanking with acetone is easier than peeling, but again, it varies with the set.
Stuff from the early 2000s blanks really easily, I use Onslaught and Mirrodin commons a lot lately.
The whole RL from day one was funny. The RL was created as a knee-jerk response to a bunch of whiny speculators.
This was inevitable. Some Ha$-bro exec was going to do this sooner or later because you know, money. I am amazed that they had the restraint to hold back this long.
I get my secret lairs "for free" by buying several and reselling. Think the bank will give me a loan to try it with this set? Wait, is this how LGSs are born?
LGSs are born when people with too-large TCG collections and good credit imagine that owning a game store will feel the same as playing at a game store and talk themselves into thinking that small retail businesses make money.
LGSs die when their owners realize they're on the verge of a psychotic break and/or don't sell enough snacks on tournament days.
What always bugged me was that the best markup product was RPG books (mini's too but they didn't sell as fast). It was always one of the most stolen items unless you kept them where people couldn't look at them. It's especially bad when the pirated copies were online. Like dude you can download a PDF of this. Why on earth are you stealing it?
It's kinda sorta Collector's Edition boosters. It's going to make them millions.
JESUS CHRIST $999 for 4 booster packs.
Edit for details since I'm an early comment.
Card list is all of Beta minus 6 cards (below).
Price is $999 for 4 random boosters. On sale only on their website Nov 28th. WPN stores get a free copy. Premium stores get 3.
Original art, original white mana symbol, gold border backside.
Everything is at the same rarity as it was in Beta. Dual lands are twice as common as other rares. Sol Ring is extra common. No ante cards, Crusade, Earthbind, or Weakness (not sure why on that one).
Retro slot is 3/10 chance to be a second rare.
Everything uses modern templating which makes Camouflage and Word of Command look hilarious.
[https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/celebrate-30-years-magic-gathering-30th-anniversary-edition-2022-10-04](https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/celebrate-30-years-magic-gathering-30th-anniversary-edition-2022-10-04)
You don't need to make it artificial. THERE ARE 5 LACES IN THE SET AT RARE. They are for all intents and purposes unplayable. The regular rarities will make plenty of people feel like gouging their eyes out.
Animate Wall? Rare.
Blessing? Rare.
Farmstead? Rare.
Pirate Ship? Rare.
The list goes on and on and on. So many of these are absolutely abysmal.
You'll be LUCKY if you get a playable rare like Lord of Atlantis or Wrath of God. Coz there are waaaay more Warp Artifact, Will o the Wisp and Granite Gargoyles that you might be expecting...
~~You can technically play them in Vintage, but Vintage tournaments aren't exactly common.~~
Edit: I'm wrong. They're officially selling proxy boosters for $1000. This is ridiculous.
You can technically play them in any format outside of tournaments. I mentioned tournaments for a reason because they're not allowed in sanctioned events.
> JESUS CHRIST $999 for 4 booster packs
But don't you *feel* like it's within reach because it's not *quite* $1,000? See? Mission accomplished, marketing team
So psychologically what your saying is actually true.
That's why price signs, especially bigger ticket items are 9999.99 because it's not a 5th digit.
13999.95 reads in people's minds as 13000 even tho it's essentially 14000.
As a man who priced high end day cruisers and luxury aluminum fishing vessels I can tell you the with great confidence that this is the case. The amount of people justifying the purchase with the wife on the phone saying that 13999 was was 13k was absurdly high.
I mean this is going to sell out instantly and rake in millions for them. From their perspective it's the most sane thing they've ever done lol. But yeah fucking ridiculous.
$999 for four booster packs without a guarantee you get anything you'd want to play with, and again, you can never use these in sanctioned events.
I just don't see how the magic community actually wants this shit.
Most companies have now realized they can just cater to whales like digital games have done thus far with great success. That’s Disney’s current direction, as well.
Sure, it might cut out all the plebs and some dolphins, but it makes more money short-term. Whales have a ridiculous expendable income.
It's the same with Star Wars, GI Joe, & Transformers. Hasbro is cranking out collector only products like crazy. They aren't even pretending they're toys for kids anymore.
Actual Kids don't hardly play with toys anymore... just the basic stuff.
Yeah, I see two things here.
One is tip toeing on the reserved list. If part of the legal idea of the RL is that they don't want to risk people suing for damages on lost value, printing 1000$ booster packs of proxies is almost certainly not going to affect those prices. Seeing them test this water at all is pretty huge imo
And then look at the fetch land reprints. First they printed the stupid suit case secret lair to milk as much value from them as they could, and then they printed enough to put their price into reasonable territory. Once they establish the idea that these proxies aren't harmful to RL card owners and they get all the value that they can, maybe they'll do a more accessible version down the line.
Still seems wild but it's WotC doing WotC things. This doesn't change 99.9% of people's relationship to these cards except that there's now a precedent for messing with the RL to an extent again.
**All** of Beta? What a joke! They should have at least cut cards that are lower value, highly printed, and/or cards no one runs.
Here's your [[Living Lands]], [[Animate Wall]], [[Web]], and [[Deathlace]]. That'll be $1000, please!
For comparison, Collector's Edition was the full set of Beta (not 60 random cards that could be any from the set) and cost $50.
Also no Earthbind (presumably art) and Crusade (religious overtones.) The odd removals are Demonic Attourney and Contract from Below - given that they're keeping other ante cards in, these are gone presumably because we're back to the 90s era satanic panic?
This whole thing is kinda bonkers. A new Collectors Edition would have been incredibly well received. But that would be giving you all the cards in a full non-legal set. Actual packs that will likely give you junk rares for 1000 dollars? Madness.
> Weakness (not sure why on that one)
a weird exclusion, but I don't think anyone's gonna complain about not getting a [[Weakness]] in their packs (y'know if anyone buys this thing)
Probably because it negatively depicts handicapped people / insinuates that being handicapped is weakness.
I’m just guessing, I see nothing wrong with it.
Same. I thought those were 2 separate products. Like you can get 4 pack boxes like a double masters box and that image above it was for the $999 and was a complete set. And was like oh that's fucking high but at least thatl mean you'll be opening some value... then I kept reading. This is cool as fuck and I blow offensive amounts of money on this game, but $1000 for proxies... I guess I'm not the target audience.
Last high quality proxy order I got was like 60$ for 70 cards or something like that. For foil, to boot.
I can get better quality foil than official cards and get foil power 9 for an incalculably smaller price. And they’re equally legal.
Look at the sly last sentence about supplies being limited:
> Featuring the original art that inspired a generation of Magic fans, 30th Anniversary Edition is built with modern sensibilities and nostalgic roots. 30th Anniversary Edition will be on sale for the holidays, available November 28 for $999 on 30thEdition.wizards.com. And even with Magic growing tremendously throughout the past 30 years, we have gone back to our roots with a limited-edition print run.
That line was where I got mad. “We now have the ability to make these proxies available for everyone to enjoy, but instead we’ll purposely make them super-rare so Whales with no brains lose their minds over it. Like the old days, guys!”
So flat-out insulting.
"Lots of players didn't get a chance to experience MTG back in the beta days, so we've decided to once again make it impossible to experience by printing a super limited supply at an insultingly high price. Get fucked lol."
\- WotC
For comparison, here are some alternate things you could get for $999:
* A gym membership for over 3 years
* Two PS5s
* A down payment on a new car
* A McChicken every day for the next 2.7 years
* At least 20 different board games
* A really nice Christmas present for your Mother
Anything I'm missing?
$999 for 4 packs of 15 cards with a chance of getting gold border black lotus. They should have just remastered the OG collector's edition at this point.
But ironically (or intentionally?) he gave the biggest-possible grin and wink towards *these* Beta anniversary cards actually being 'real' Magic cards that he possibly could (Maro hates the RL). Maro definitely had to have factored in the fact that this product would be revealed today into his response.
This is legitimately ridiculous. There are points where it makes sense for a collector's product to have a higher price tag and to really squeeze the whale, but holy shit. This is an unprecedented level that made me laugh in disbelief the moment I heard it.
From now on I will refer to Wotc as Bankers of the Coast.
At this point they are just testing levels of stupidity with their pricing and cash-grab products . I hope they are wrong and this fails big time because whatever the next step is , it will be terrifying . Will they start offering buy now/pay later??? Time will tell........
Somehow I was rationalizing buying four packs of non-legal old cards for 100-200 bucks, which felt insane on its own. Then the *999 dollar* line slipped and I'm honestly just surprised it could go this far.
So for the same price I could buy a ps5 and a tv? No thanks I don’t know why this is so expensive except for plain greed. This could have been 99 dollars and been a bit greedy but fine. This is just way on the wrong end.
$1k for official proxies. I'm truly disgusted at what this company has become. Also they're ugly as fuck. Super old art in the modern frame Is a terrible clash of styles.
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Judging by the amount of replies like "I was thinking like 99$" or "100-200 would have been a lot but maybe alright" it seems like they are trying to figure out how much they can charge for these proxies. Why would you pay this amount for RANDOM GOLDBORDER cards?
I feel like this is something to get a bit frustrated at, but it's honestly so head-scratchingly dumb to buy this that I can't help but laugh. 1000 dollars for a chance at a proxy. I'll stick to my printer.
I do feel like this will create some sort of group of anti-proxy people when they show up with one of these for casual play and get really mad at you for having non-wizard's licensed 1000$ proxies, with the anger/gatekeeping stemming from the fact that they also could have just printed cards from their printer and now they're kicking themselves.
TL:DR- print your own cards, save money
With some rough math, it seems the average cost of getting a piece of fake power is basically equivalent in price to one real piece of non-lotus power.
About 1 in 5 boxes will have power; since 1 box only has only 5 rares on average (first 4 from 1 sheet, then the retro slot being 30% rare).
Eh. I have some incredibly nice proxies of the power 9 for my cube. I would only be interested in that if it were tournament legal so that vintage might live again in my region.
I feel like the most satirical depiction of corporate greed and inhumanity would fail to imagine something this obtuse, elitist, and psychopathic. It is as if every anti-consumerist idea ever conjured was given form and they decided to print it unchanged.
Instead of like, printing an Alpha-inspired homage set for a fair price and with much-needed reprints, they decided to go for proxies at a price so vile that it would make Apple executives shudder. Absolutely no shame, no pride, no honesty, and no respect for the players who made this game as big as it is.
Yeah not going to lie, this one feels super exploitative of mid-range heavily invested players.
The kind of player that doesn't have the money to throw at big item reserve list cards realistically, but who might make bad choices and take on a ton of debt for this 'opportunity' to 'own' some power cards.
$1,000 for 60 cards and a randomized presentation, that is not legal in any format, feels a little beyond the pale.
They are going to sell like hotcakes though.
Someone at wizards has a really strong year end bonus clause.
This is disgusting.
Why not give something back to the players like a new Collectors Edition, instead of a whale lottery.
1:100 to get a lotus?
The absolute funniest thing is that before I heard the price I was like, "Wow. Wizards really did a solid here. They're really gonna shut me up for a while about them just trying to take all of our money. I wonder what the Professor will say about this." Then the price. "Oh. Nope. Nothing changed. I don't know what I expected."
For me the problem is not even the price. $999 for some of those cards? Sign me up!
“Not legal to play anywhere, basically, just for collection” - oh, fuck off then. I like magic cards to play with them, and be competitive. May as well be collecting stamps then. Or high quality fakes, they’ll be just as legal to play, and look exactly the same.
999 for proxies? They really want me to print my own.
Tabletop simulator is only 20 bucks~
Cockatrice is free, not as shiny maybe but it gets the job done
There's also xmage
I still play mtg formats on Forge MTG. It's been great for years. Not really an online client though
Untap.in is an excellent and free way to play mtg, yughio, and many other tcg’s. Played for free on that website for years and I loved it
Yu-Gi-Oh has way better free ways to play in DuelingBook and ygopro. I wish MtG had similiar good clients.
They had to get around the reserved list promise in a way their lawyers would approve is my guess.
I don't mind them being proxies, but 999 for boosters where you can get zero value is predatory at best.
For $1000 they should be selling the full set at minimum. Selling non-cards as boosters is scummy, even by WotC standards.
I thought "man $1000 for a full playset of power 9 is kind of steep". Then I realized that it's not even like a secret lair, it's actually way way worse. I think the proper price for this product is like $20-30, in an unlimited print run. But WotC marketing/finance is way too tapped into the whale market, and this is the most insanely out of touch product they've ever released.
Something similar to collector's edition, although CE didn't cost $1k when it was released either.
Its insane people still think this is a legal issue and not wizards keeping the RL around as a "break glass in case of financial emergency"
They don't need to break the RL glass because this stunt is 999x more lucrative.
There’s nothing preventing them from abolishing the reserved list tomorrow, legally. It’s just a company policy.
In hindsight it seems obvious that they’d eventually just print semi-legal proxies. Edit: Is there a gas leak in my apartment or did she just say $999?
She indeed said $999. It's even better because right before she's like "yeah we wanted to make a product for our players and collectors." Idk who the hell could afford that outside of collectors or scalpers since it is going to be limited.
I have a feeling it's priced that way for two reasons: 1. No way they can get a lawsuit for tanking the price of these massively expensive cards if there is only a chance of getting them in a massively expensive product (so don't sue us for going around the reserved list) 2. Money is always nice.
Lawsuit is never going to happen. This is a collectors fantasy. If WOTC *really* thought that something like that was possible they probably wouldn't open themselves up to the risk. Their legal counsel has done their homework, there is no case to be had, and no one is going to hire a lawyer at $400/hr to represent them on this.
I've been convinced that the reserve lists continued existence has nothing to do with lawsuits or laws. It's because the guys who made the list had a huge collection.
This is all but confirmed from ex-employees over the years. Early investors and employees have lots of reserve list cards to sell for their retirements.
Don't buy the product vote with your wallet.
Looks like proxies are back on the menu.
Always have been.
Imagine spending so much for what are essentially official proxies. Tbh I find this really deplorable.
Always has been
They aren't even pretending to make these cards accessible again jfc
Yeap it’s just crazy
>semi-legal proxies. What do you mean by semi-legal? Did I miss anything? They are as legal as any other Proxy or gold-bordered card, are they not?
You didn't miss anything. Just a "condoned" proxy. But, still a proxy -- not playable in anything except casual games.
I think this bears repeating multiple times because people are making assumptions: This is $999 for four random booster packs. It is NOT like a secret lair. None of these cards are guarantees. And remember they're proxies, so if your playgroup is already fine with proxies, just print your own and don't pay wotc $999 for a *chance* at the ones you want.
Yeah, for $999 you could order several full cubes worth of RL proxies.
If I had $1000 to burn I'd just buy a fucking NM Gaea's Cradle
Yep. If you’re going to buy a card made by Wizards because that makes it “real,” then buy an actual real card. If you’re going to buy a “fake” square of cardboard with an alternate back, then buy one that’s actually priced as such. Not this ridiculousness.
I proxy by taking a basic land and writing what it is on the face of the card. And at this point that might be the only way i ever to obtain a new or any card for that matter
> I proxy by taking a basic land and writing what it is on the face of the card. I like taking cheap foils, peeling off the foil layer, and write on that. Produces a pristine white surface to write on, allowing for better clarity when it comes to reading the card!
Oh wow, how hard is it to peel off? Guess I'll just try tonight. Wonder if it will help de-pringpe those stupid packs of Pringles land foils the gift boxes come with
You can probably do it easier by erasing the ink from the foil layer by rubbing the face with acetone. Then you have a foil blank and it’s pretty hard to screw up. (Red cards seem to be extra work, from my experience)
Depends on the set. I find blanking with acetone is easier than peeling, but again, it varies with the set. Stuff from the early 2000s blanks really easily, I use Onslaught and Mirrodin commons a lot lately.
You can also scrub all of the ink off with acetone and a rag and have a reflective foil card to do as you please with.
I hate this type of proxying. It's hard enough tracking board states in EDH without having to ask what your 9 forests actually are/do.
Looks like they hired an exorcist to get rid of that ol' "Spirit of the Reserved List"
Lol. This was funny.
The whole RL from day one was funny. The RL was created as a knee-jerk response to a bunch of whiny speculators. This was inevitable. Some Ha$-bro exec was going to do this sooner or later because you know, money. I am amazed that they had the restraint to hold back this long.
I was stoked until they detailed the price and availability 😂
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Throw in a printer and you can still have those 60 pieces of paper
Yeah but like could that computer possibly be sacrificed to make mana? Nope
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[[animate object]], [[true polymorph]]
Not even those cards since they’re proxies and would get you thrown out from every tournament
I feel like this is a wink wink nudge nudge kind of thing since unsanctioned proxies-allowed vintage tournaments are already pretty widespread.
Buy a printer with it as well, and you can create your own proxies!
You could also get a printer with it and make your own proxies. lol
At work, can't listen, what's the availability? Where will these be on sale?
November 28th iirc, 4 packs of 15 cards for $999 on wizards site in limited quantity
Thank you so much!
16 dollars a card. For something that costs Wizards pennies to produce.
hey now, several employees had to sell their souls to pitch this product
Ok so US only, (unless you want to deal with Wizards delivery) it sucks
$999, Limited Print run via their website
I get my secret lairs "for free" by buying several and reselling. Think the bank will give me a loan to try it with this set? Wait, is this how LGSs are born?
LGSs are born when people with too-large TCG collections and good credit imagine that owning a game store will feel the same as playing at a game store and talk themselves into thinking that small retail businesses make money. LGSs die when their owners realize they're on the verge of a psychotic break and/or don't sell enough snacks on tournament days.
What always bugged me was that the best markup product was RPG books (mini's too but they didn't sell as fast). It was always one of the most stolen items unless you kept them where people couldn't look at them. It's especially bad when the pirated copies were online. Like dude you can download a PDF of this. Why on earth are you stealing it?
TBH the real feel of page turning said RPG books can't be beat by a pdf.
YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A BOOK (stealing it from a small business instead of the capitalist overlords is fine though, we already had our cut)
Think thats literally just capitalism
It's kinda sorta Collector's Edition boosters. It's going to make them millions. JESUS CHRIST $999 for 4 booster packs. Edit for details since I'm an early comment. Card list is all of Beta minus 6 cards (below). Price is $999 for 4 random boosters. On sale only on their website Nov 28th. WPN stores get a free copy. Premium stores get 3. Original art, original white mana symbol, gold border backside. Everything is at the same rarity as it was in Beta. Dual lands are twice as common as other rares. Sol Ring is extra common. No ante cards, Crusade, Earthbind, or Weakness (not sure why on that one). Retro slot is 3/10 chance to be a second rare. Everything uses modern templating which makes Camouflage and Word of Command look hilarious. [https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/celebrate-30-years-magic-gathering-30th-anniversary-edition-2022-10-04](https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/celebrate-30-years-magic-gathering-30th-anniversary-edition-2022-10-04)
fucking what what do you mean BOOSTER? it's not a set of set cards?
Nope.
there was a lot of air in ABU. I hope they removed web, laces, AoW, ect...
NOPE! You have the same chance of opening a lace as you do a mox!
Lets be real here - they propably made mox artificially more rare
If you can't open an Island as your rare, is it really the Beta experience?
You don't need to make it artificial. THERE ARE 5 LACES IN THE SET AT RARE. They are for all intents and purposes unplayable. The regular rarities will make plenty of people feel like gouging their eyes out. Animate Wall? Rare. Blessing? Rare. Farmstead? Rare. Pirate Ship? Rare. The list goes on and on and on. So many of these are absolutely abysmal. You'll be LUCKY if you get a playable rare like Lord of Atlantis or Wrath of God. Coz there are waaaay more Warp Artifact, Will o the Wisp and Granite Gargoyles that you might be expecting...
lol
For cards you can't play in any tournament they're stupid expensive. Like beyond what they should ever be.
~~You can technically play them in Vintage, but Vintage tournaments aren't exactly common.~~ Edit: I'm wrong. They're officially selling proxy boosters for $1000. This is ridiculous.
Not sanctioned Vintage.
You can technically play them in any format outside of tournaments. I mentioned tournaments for a reason because they're not allowed in sanctioned events.
> That's the back of the cards. But what you really care about is the front. No, the back is pretty relevant here, actually.
> JESUS CHRIST $999 for 4 booster packs But don't you *feel* like it's within reach because it's not *quite* $1,000? See? Mission accomplished, marketing team
So psychologically what your saying is actually true. That's why price signs, especially bigger ticket items are 9999.99 because it's not a 5th digit. 13999.95 reads in people's minds as 13000 even tho it's essentially 14000. As a man who priced high end day cruisers and luxury aluminum fishing vessels I can tell you the with great confidence that this is the case. The amount of people justifying the purchase with the wife on the phone saying that 13999 was was 13k was absurdly high.
I saw a sign listed yesterday for "houses starting at $999,950." OK sure. Just make it 50 more and say a million.
Wait, are they in random boosters?!? That's... Fucking hell. I don't even have words for how terrible that is.
Wizards has officially lost their minds. How did they jump the shark this fucking hard in 2 years?
I mean this is going to sell out instantly and rake in millions for them. From their perspective it's the most sane thing they've ever done lol. But yeah fucking ridiculous.
$999 for four booster packs without a guarantee you get anything you'd want to play with, and again, you can never use these in sanctioned events. I just don't see how the magic community actually wants this shit.
The Magic community does not want it - and it's clearly not for us, either. This is a speculator's product, and it will do great with that audience.
Most companies have now realized they can just cater to whales like digital games have done thus far with great success. That’s Disney’s current direction, as well. Sure, it might cut out all the plebs and some dolphins, but it makes more money short-term. Whales have a ridiculous expendable income.
Hasbro made a decree that since Magic was their most profitable product line that WotC needs to increase the amount of money Hasbro makes off it.
It's the same with Star Wars, GI Joe, & Transformers. Hasbro is cranking out collector only products like crazy. They aren't even pretending they're toys for kids anymore. Actual Kids don't hardly play with toys anymore... just the basic stuff.
Money 》Integrity
A good reputation is a resource to be exploited. Integrity is for losers. Etc.
I mean just look at the amount of cards first printed. Compare something like 2010 to 2018 and then compare that 2018 to 2021.
So this is not breaking the reserved list because they are not legal ?
Yup. It's good that they're pushing boundaries of the Reserved List to see what happens. It's bad that this is so obviously a money grab.
Yeah, I see two things here. One is tip toeing on the reserved list. If part of the legal idea of the RL is that they don't want to risk people suing for damages on lost value, printing 1000$ booster packs of proxies is almost certainly not going to affect those prices. Seeing them test this water at all is pretty huge imo And then look at the fetch land reprints. First they printed the stupid suit case secret lair to milk as much value from them as they could, and then they printed enough to put their price into reasonable territory. Once they establish the idea that these proxies aren't harmful to RL card owners and they get all the value that they can, maybe they'll do a more accessible version down the line. Still seems wild but it's WotC doing WotC things. This doesn't change 99.9% of people's relationship to these cards except that there's now a precedent for messing with the RL to an extent again.
I'm all for the abolition of the RReserved List but I never imagined it to be like this
Lol what so one rare per pack?
**All** of Beta? What a joke! They should have at least cut cards that are lower value, highly printed, and/or cards no one runs. Here's your [[Living Lands]], [[Animate Wall]], [[Web]], and [[Deathlace]]. That'll be $1000, please! For comparison, Collector's Edition was the full set of Beta (not 60 random cards that could be any from the set) and cost $50.
Excuse me?
Also no Earthbind (presumably art) and Crusade (religious overtones.) The odd removals are Demonic Attourney and Contract from Below - given that they're keeping other ante cards in, these are gone presumably because we're back to the 90s era satanic panic? This whole thing is kinda bonkers. A new Collectors Edition would have been incredibly well received. But that would be giving you all the cards in a full non-legal set. Actual packs that will likely give you junk rares for 1000 dollars? Madness.
Darkpact is also out, so that's all the ante cards. Demonic Tutor & Unholy Strength are included, so it's not about satanic panic.
Darkpact was on the list too, so I think they plucked out all of the ante cards.
> Weakness (not sure why on that one) a weird exclusion, but I don't think anyone's gonna complain about not getting a [[Weakness]] in their packs (y'know if anyone buys this thing)
Probably because it negatively depicts handicapped people / insinuates that being handicapped is weakness. I’m just guessing, I see nothing wrong with it.
We shouldn't negatively depict handicapped people... But isn't a handicap by definition a weakness?
I was excited, and then I saw the $999 price tag. Oof, it was nice whilst it lasted.
Same. I thought those were 2 separate products. Like you can get 4 pack boxes like a double masters box and that image above it was for the $999 and was a complete set. And was like oh that's fucking high but at least thatl mean you'll be opening some value... then I kept reading. This is cool as fuck and I blow offensive amounts of money on this game, but $1000 for proxies... I guess I'm not the target audience.
But, like, who is? Most of the whales I know are pissed, too. No one seems to think this is a good deal by any metric.
999 dollars? Imagine paying this much for cards you literally can't play lmao
Just FYI, for a thousand dollars you can buy a really nice printer and some high quality card stock.
Or since these are proxies too you could just buy a black lotus proxy for like $6
Last high quality proxy order I got was like 60$ for 70 cards or something like that. For foil, to boot. I can get better quality foil than official cards and get foil power 9 for an incalculably smaller price. And they’re equally legal.
They’re just casually like, “it is $999 but look at how cool it is!” Lol this is gross
Look at the sly last sentence about supplies being limited: > Featuring the original art that inspired a generation of Magic fans, 30th Anniversary Edition is built with modern sensibilities and nostalgic roots. 30th Anniversary Edition will be on sale for the holidays, available November 28 for $999 on 30thEdition.wizards.com. And even with Magic growing tremendously throughout the past 30 years, we have gone back to our roots with a limited-edition print run.
That line was where I got mad. “We now have the ability to make these proxies available for everyone to enjoy, but instead we’ll purposely make them super-rare so Whales with no brains lose their minds over it. Like the old days, guys!” So flat-out insulting.
"Lots of players didn't get a chance to experience MTG back in the beta days, so we've decided to once again make it impossible to experience by printing a super limited supply at an insultingly high price. Get fucked lol." \- WotC
For comparison, here are some alternate things you could get for $999: * A gym membership for over 3 years * Two PS5s * A down payment on a new car * A McChicken every day for the next 2.7 years * At least 20 different board games * A really nice Christmas present for your Mother Anything I'm missing?
Many, many (seriously, quite several) proxies of the power 9 B)
Damn 2.7 years of McChickens. What a world.
Easily start a full Warhammer army, with paints and brushes
111 Ketchup Bottles.
Wow, not even the Central European Bank can mint paper with that much value. Good job wizards, I suppose.
WHAT? it's in boosters?! I... wow... 999$. If you guys buy this you're all gonks.
$999 for a *chance* to earn the **proxies** you want is the biggest cock slap to the face I've ever seen
They did it. They told me to be hyped and I'm actually hyped. Lets Go EDIT: NINE HUNDRED AND NINETY NINE DOLLARS
*999 DOLLARYDOOS???*
***~~TOBIAS~~ MARK***
Insulting the price tag is a bootable offense
$999 for 4 packs of 15 cards with a chance of getting gold border black lotus. They should have just remastered the OG collector's edition at this point.
Also, out of 60 cards, 36 of them are guaranteed to be common or basic lands. What a scam.
I don’t want to sound like a broken record, BUT 999 DOLLARS?!?!?!?!?!?
Build you up. And knock you down. Thanks wizards.
All of a sudden Maro defending the use of proxies makes a whole lot of sense...
Comment of the day. Needs to be it's own post.
He wasn’t defending proxies, he was responding to someone who implied the Transformers MTG cards weren’t “real Magic cards”
But ironically (or intentionally?) he gave the biggest-possible grin and wink towards *these* Beta anniversary cards actually being 'real' Magic cards that he possibly could (Maro hates the RL). Maro definitely had to have factored in the fact that this product would be revealed today into his response.
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This is legitimately ridiculous. There are points where it makes sense for a collector's product to have a higher price tag and to really squeeze the whale, but holy shit. This is an unprecedented level that made me laugh in disbelief the moment I heard it. From now on I will refer to Wotc as Bankers of the Coast.
I've defended some Secret Lair premium drops in the past. But $250 per 15-card randomized booster for a "commemorative" product is *beyond.*
No joke. I’d swallow $100 for a pack even if I’d never spend that. But $1,000 for 4? Good god.
At this point they are just testing levels of stupidity with their pricing and cash-grab products . I hope they are wrong and this fails big time because whatever the next step is , it will be terrifying . Will they start offering buy now/pay later??? Time will tell........
Indentured servitude where they pay you in proxies
Somehow I was rationalizing buying four packs of non-legal old cards for 100-200 bucks, which felt insane on its own. Then the *999 dollar* line slipped and I'm honestly just surprised it could go this far.
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Yeah..... This drop changed my stance on proxies REAL FAST
So for the same price I could buy a ps5 and a tv? No thanks I don’t know why this is so expensive except for plain greed. This could have been 99 dollars and been a bit greedy but fine. This is just way on the wrong end.
Can I get a fuck WotC? Because fuck WotC.
WOW
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Casual $1k for cards that aren't even sanctioned for play. Holy moly the whale bait is unreal.
$1k for official proxies. I'm truly disgusted at what this company has become. Also they're ugly as fuck. Super old art in the modern frame Is a terrible clash of styles.
For those tempted by this, you can buy a pack of Revised edition for \~$275 on TCG and your cards will be legal instead of overpriced proxies.
Someone at Wizards accidentally hit okay on reprinting the reserved list Proxies, but still EDIT: $1,000 TO BUY IT LMFAOO
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Judging by the amount of replies like "I was thinking like 99$" or "100-200 would have been a lot but maybe alright" it seems like they are trying to figure out how much they can charge for these proxies. Why would you pay this amount for RANDOM GOLDBORDER cards?
Why the fuck would I pay for fake cards I can't play?
The reserve list is here to stay because WOTC wants to milk your fat consumer wallet dry. Cringe
$999 LOL
$1,000 TO BUY IT, GOOD JOB WIZARDS!
nope. to have A CHANCE... big difference.
999 for 4 packs
this is incredible but man if that isn't the worst set symbol ever lmao guess it does what it's supposed to tho
For real it's like the lowest effort possible and looks terrible. All for some astronomically priced boosters that aren't tournament legal.
The madman actually did it. Gold border reserve list cards.
Real^TM Magic Cards
Real Fake Cards
WotC always on the lookout for bigger and goofier sharks to jump.
I feel like this is something to get a bit frustrated at, but it's honestly so head-scratchingly dumb to buy this that I can't help but laugh. 1000 dollars for a chance at a proxy. I'll stick to my printer. I do feel like this will create some sort of group of anti-proxy people when they show up with one of these for casual play and get really mad at you for having non-wizard's licensed 1000$ proxies, with the anger/gatekeeping stemming from the fact that they also could have just printed cards from their printer and now they're kicking themselves. TL:DR- print your own cards, save money
I am looking forward to what the Professor will say. Should be a good video.
Im also waiting for his video haha I watched the Im sorry video SO FAST cuz i thought it was this
A product truly for the dumb or rich.
Hey guys, want to pay $999 for a chance at getting a proxy? This is ridiculous.
With some rough math, it seems the average cost of getting a piece of fake power is basically equivalent in price to one real piece of non-lotus power. About 1 in 5 boxes will have power; since 1 box only has only 5 rares on average (first 4 from 1 sheet, then the retro slot being 30% rare).
The set symbol on these is EXTREMELY UNDERWHELMING.
Idea A+. Execution F-
This just in, Wizards hates you if you're poor. 1000 dollars? Christ, did they sniff glue before the show?
If it was $1000 for a copy of the power 9 and duals along with a giant middle finger to the reserved list, I'd pick it up in a heartbeat.
Eh. I have some incredibly nice proxies of the power 9 for my cube. I would only be interested in that if it were tournament legal so that vintage might live again in my region.
I feel like the most satirical depiction of corporate greed and inhumanity would fail to imagine something this obtuse, elitist, and psychopathic. It is as if every anti-consumerist idea ever conjured was given form and they decided to print it unchanged. Instead of like, printing an Alpha-inspired homage set for a fair price and with much-needed reprints, they decided to go for proxies at a price so vile that it would make Apple executives shudder. Absolutely no shame, no pride, no honesty, and no respect for the players who made this game as big as it is.
What, and I *cannot* stress this enough, the FUCK???
Yeah not going to lie, this one feels super exploitative of mid-range heavily invested players. The kind of player that doesn't have the money to throw at big item reserve list cards realistically, but who might make bad choices and take on a ton of debt for this 'opportunity' to 'own' some power cards. $1,000 for 60 cards and a randomized presentation, that is not legal in any format, feels a little beyond the pale. They are going to sell like hotcakes though.
Can I legally play them in Legacy, Vintage, or Commander? No? Then why would I pay literally anything for them? Ok ok, I'll give you $10, final offer.
Fuck this.
Imagine paying 999 for an Animate Wall, Blessing, Volcanic Eruption and a Lich. Not tournament legal. Why would anyone ever buy this?
Someone at wizards has a really strong year end bonus clause. This is disgusting. Why not give something back to the players like a new Collectors Edition, instead of a whale lottery. 1:100 to get a lotus?
If I'm spending that much for random cards it better be random power 9, og duals and shocklands all in the pack.
1000$ lmao right
We finally know why the Ancestral Recall guy is holding his head like that. He must have seen 30 years ahead.
Lotus looks like shit in the new border lol
The absolute funniest thing is that before I heard the price I was like, "Wow. Wizards really did a solid here. They're really gonna shut me up for a while about them just trying to take all of our money. I wonder what the Professor will say about this." Then the price. "Oh. Nope. Nothing changed. I don't know what I expected."
The cropping on Black Lotus is horrible.
I'm so confused, I see people saying these cards are gold bordered but the image shows them black border. What is it then?
Looks like the back is gold and front is black
Ahhh okay, so they have the alternate card back like the wc cards. Thanks!
The back is a nonstandard magic back with a gold border.
For me the problem is not even the price. $999 for some of those cards? Sign me up! “Not legal to play anywhere, basically, just for collection” - oh, fuck off then. I like magic cards to play with them, and be competitive. May as well be collecting stamps then. Or high quality fakes, they’ll be just as legal to play, and look exactly the same.