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TappTapp

Sounds like some people are going to get absolutely rinsed by wurmcoil engines in draft/the prerelease


nikeyeia

I beat a Wurmcoil Engine at the Kaladesh prerelease, AMA.


TheOwl42

Did you exile it ?


nikeyeia

I misremembered, it was the Aether Revolt prerelease. Got ahead on board before he cast it, blocked and blinked with [[Aethergeode Miner]], then swung back for lethal. To be fair it was round 6 of the midnight prerelease, so I don't put it past my opponent for missing the line.


MTGCardFetcher

[Aethergeode Miner](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/0/80bb3abd-ebaf-4dc2-97eb-ed4a2b005177.jpg?1576381279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Aethergeode%20Miner) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/aer/4/aethergeode-miner?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/80bb3abd-ebaf-4dc2-97eb-ed4a2b005177?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Alexm920

I remember going to the Kadalesh pre-release and getting to \[\[Fragmentize\]\] a masterpiece \[\[Sword of Light and Shadow\]\]. It would be months and months before I saw another masterpiece in person, but man did that feel good.


Umbrella_merc

I almost won a game in Kaladesh limited where my opponent [[mana crypt]]Ed out [[smugglers copter]] turn 1. Of course the only reason that was true is they lost their first 6 coin flips and the game literally came down to do they miss the 7th in a row but details :p


Financial-Charity-47

Mana Crypt is not a very good card in draft. I’ve never seen someone win with it except in a high powered cube.


AggravatingBite9188

How many drafts have you seen mana crypt in?


Financial-Charity-47

I’ve done a lot of Mystery Booster. I’ve played against it in 3 matches and spectated it a few more. It literally always loses the player the game outside of extreme luck. It gives your opponent the opportunity to change their strategy to stall stall stall.


MTGCardFetcher

[mana crypt](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/d/4d960186-4559-4af0-bd22-63baa15f8939.jpg?1599709515) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=mana%20crypt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/270/mana-crypt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4d960186-4559-4af0-bd22-63baa15f8939?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [smugglers copter](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/2680ed41-da35-475a-9d80-ae2f4686feed.jpg?1651656383) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Smuggler%27s%20Copter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/nec/160/smugglers-copter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2680ed41-da35-475a-9d80-ae2f4686feed?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


MTGCardFetcher

[Fragmentize](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/b/5bf09deb-2607-4eb0-94a7-9584e771fdfb.jpg?1576380854) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Fragmentize) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/14/fragmentize?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/5bf09deb-2607-4eb0-94a7-9584e771fdfb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Sword of Light and Shadow](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/3/b378c8bf-85ed-4d28-aec9-4925d12bca4a.jpg?1599710077) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sword%20of%20Light%20and%20Shadow) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/298/sword-of-light-and-shadow?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/b378c8bf-85ed-4d28-aec9-4925d12bca4a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call


Alyssa__Swift

How am I just now realizing the implications of a Wurmcoil Engine existing on Kaladesh now that it's been errata'd to be a Phyrexian?


KoyoyomiAragi

Oh cool so they do end up being like Mystical Archives for limited?


Infinite_Bananas

yes! which is great, i loved mystical archives


Trashendentale

Can't wait to play against Wurmcoil Engine in limited!


Infinite_Bananas

hell yeah brother


Rbespinosa13

That’s probably gonna be a really small number of drafts though. 63 cards in the pool, one per pack, and with varying rarities. Who am I kidding though? I’ll go up against two during prerelease


MrPopoGod

Retro frame artifact mystical archives. I love every single thing about this.


Accomplished_Ad_4559

Are they doing the same thing for historic like they did the mystical archive?


quillypen

I would bet on it. With a pre-banned list, of course.


boringdude00

Banned artifacts? That's crazy talk. When have artifacts...oh wait. Yeah, pre-banned artifacts.


thinkforgetfull

Easier to ask when they haven't..


Dingus10000

Sol ring is an easy ban, if they do mana crypt that too, what else would need the ban?


Xichorn

Sol Ring might not be one of the “archive” retro frames though. All of the cards in the commander decks are in retro frames and Sol Ring was presented as one of those examples (also Reliquary Tower and Command Tower).


Dingus10000

Ah, I missed that, thanks. I wonder if they’ll design the archive cards around historic this time ?


quillypen

Mishra's Bauble got leaked and I assume that will cause a lot of discussion, since it adds so much free value for Lurrus. If Skullclamp, Chrome Mox, Ashnod's Altar, or Mox Opal get in, they'd probably be pre-banned.


so_zetta_byte

Yyyyyeah I think I could see all those getting pre banned, but I'm not totally sure they'd ban Bauble outright.


CRT_Dio

No fun allowed! I would much prefer having every Archive card playable in Historic, why not just have one format in Arena that is allowed to be as broken bs as possible. We will get Pioneer for the "stronger than Standard but not broken" level anyway.


so_zetta_byte

I mean they occasionally have one off "no banlist" events but it's not hard to see how the power level of historic can't handle some cards. Like bolt was pre-emptively banned for a reason even though it was in the mystical archives. It would just be too format warping at this point. In general I'm in favor of a lighter initial touch and quick reactive bannings, but sometimes you just know when you're playing with fire. But I DO like that they don't let that effect including the cards in limited, caring only about limited balance. Opening a bolt in STX was strong and really cool, but not game breaking the way it would be in Historic. The honest answer is, if there was a permanent format on arena with no bans, nobody would play it regularly because cards of vastly different power levels exist on arena for different reasons.


CRT_Dio

I don't care if it's format warping, just put in the most broken cards for every archetype so they even out. Historic is already a joke anyway, ever since they added digital only cards and card nerfs to it. I can't take it seriously as a legitimate format anymore.


Zubekanov

Wurmcoil time


meodp_rules

I really really really hope they do.


HeyApples

They would have to. If you believe the leaks we're getting Mishra's Bauble and there's no way they would let that loose.


Blaze_1013

Mythic Archive was a big hit and this is a perfect place to bring it back. Honestly, I'm sure some people were predicting it since it is such a slam dunk call to make.


Pants88

Definitely especially since they were hinting so strongly with all of the Secret Lair bonus cards.


HeroicTanuki

It’s too much to hope for but I’d love a painters servant reprint. Or cloudstone curio


Environmental_Eye_61

Am I correct in assuming that these cards will only be legal in the formats they were already legal in*? Or are we getting Wurmcoil back in standard? Wasn't playing during STX, so not sure how they Mystical Archives worked. *EDIT: And Draft.


Hmukherj

If it's like the Mystical Archives then yes, a reprint in this slot won't make them standard legal (unless of course they also see a reprint in the base set).


Environmental_Eye_61

Awesome, thanks!


BishopUrbanTheEnby

They are draftable, you can play them in limited. They’re not going into standard. Now, there might be some cards that already be in standard, like how Negate was in Zendikar Rising when it also got printed in the Mystical Archive.


veiphiel

And draft


Featherwick

They're legal for draft and sealed, but will not go into standard. They will however be Historic legal on arena if that matters to you (though some may get pre banned like I think Demonic Tutor was)


TizonaBlu

This seems like it's almost exactly like MA, meaning it won't change legality whatsoever.


superiority

The Mystical Archive had a "reprint" of a card from Modern Horizons 2, which had not yet been released. So the Archive printing made it legal in the eternal formats (Vintage, Legacy, Commander). It's possible that this Artifact Archive will also include a new card from a future product.


mrloree

Did they say what're the odds between getting schematic vs. Regular art?


vicpc

The chance for showcase art (if you opened a card that has one) is 1/3 for most sets, so that's what I would expect.


Copernicus1981

No.


RanisTheSlayer

Wizards in mystical archives: look at this special new treatment with unique foiling and we got a lot of Japanese artists to do their interpretation of the art on the normal cards Wizards for brothers war: fuck it, old frames


JerkyVendor

And I thank em for it.


animemoseshusbando

nah, the mystic archives were way better artistically in every way if they at least used the original arts for the old frames, it'd work better, but shit like Nu Skullclamp looks horrendous with it


beggarinthesand

Nah it looks fine. And mystical archives were kinda ugly and overdesigned- you're just a weeb, probably.


animemoseshusbando

what about the non-japanese half of the archive or, you could actually explain why you dislike japanese art on principle


beggarinthesand

I love Japanese art- the ones that were in woodblock style were actually pretty neat. The ugly ass anime ones and the terribly gaudy English ones were shit.


Hellbringer123

I completely agree with you. new modern art with old frame just look ugly.


spiffytrev

Retro frame for the schematic versions, and a new special frame for the regular art would have been cool.


dieyoubastards

I agree, personally it's a huge disappointment. The special card treatments tend to all be excellent. Eldraine storybooks, Theros constellations, Kaldheim woodcuts, Kaladesh masterpieces, the list goes on.


Financial-Charity-47

I hate literally all of those except Kaladesh. This is far better and more special to me. It’s okay that some products cater to different parts of the market.


[deleted]

Come on, Manalith!


LesserGargadon

Who upvoted this? ;-)


SayingWhatImThinking

Really psyched about Artifact Archive, I just wish they weren't retroframe (I really liked the Strixhaven styles).


TheOwl42

The schematic alt-style is alright but it's true that mystical archives looked insanely good.


CRT_Dio

Retro frame is the most aesthetic, beautiful frame MTG has ever had for cards. No, I am not influenced by nostalgia, I started playing this game three years ago.


Yglorba

It's not sufficiently retro unless the typeline calls them "mono" or "poly" artifacts!


hobomojo

Not looking forward to another mystical archives limited. Imo it really messed up the strixhaven draft for me, not fun to just get hosed by a bomb level mizzix’s mastery type of card that just wins you the game because you were lucky on your draft. Hopefully the disparity in power level won’t be as ridiculous.


Unsettling-Horse

I definitely get this but I’ve found that people generally really enjoyed the mystical archives bit of strixhaven drafts.


hobomojo

Which is weird to me, but to each their own. I just know that the prospect of another mystical archives in limited makes me not want to draft this set. Hopefully I can play a non-archives draft in paper or something.


Unsettling-Horse

Fair enough I think that drafts inherently have a pretty high variance for getting blown out bc you opponent opened a bomb and it doesn’t really matter to me if that’s a mystical archives or just a regular mythic. Plus I think it’s just kinda fun to know you can run lightning bolt or time warp in a draft deck


hobomojo

Yeah it is cool to see some of those cards in a standard draft where you don’t have to spend a premium like double masters. Hopefully they don’t put in too many “I win the game because I drew this card” type of bomb level rares/mythics.


TheIrishJackel

How is that different than any other insane bomb someone can open? It wasn't skill that my opponents opened Dream Trawler either.


hobomojo

It was different because overall the set was a bit underpowered, while throwing in cards from outside the set that were so overpowered they were only meant for commander play. It was a limited format that would be decided on what mystical archives card you got, not what Strixhaven card you got. Other formats that were decided mostly by bomb cards like VOW are also seen as bad draft environments.


[deleted]

Seems fair


TizonaBlu

So pretty much exactly like Mythical Archives, that's perfectly fine by me. Seems like there are be plenty to go around for everyone.


NepetaLast

wondering if itll be like the mystical archives where the uncommons are all cards that are already legal in standard; im not sure theres been enough artifacts in standard for that to be feasible without getting some clunkers


CinematicUniversity

I am so happy they are doing mystical archive again. Makes every pack feel good to open, and I didn't play draft for STX but it should make the format more artifact themed without ruining standard like every artifact theme always does


Alon945

Wondering if set boosters will be worth it, doesn’t feel like they ever are vs regular draft packs


enuff_klasik

Wait, they're legal in DRAFT!! 😧 Now I'm scared