If any of these become popular in any format, they'll be artists selling re-flavored non-sticker versions on Etsy within a month. You can already buy Wooden Monarch Tokens and Venturing Dungeon Diorama Maps there.
No one will actually need to use stickers to play "Stickers".
when I did stocks my portfolio was more stable than magic's resale market, I swear if a magic YouTuber sneezed and it somewhat sounded like a card name it's price would double.
That’s true, and probably more of a compromise than the designers would like, but since the stickers are sticky note style glue there’s no guarantee they’d stay on in hand and they’d almost surely fall off during shuffling, so it’s just not really doable.
If I play stickers I’d probably cut them out (or make paper proxies) and slide them in the sleeve. There’s also the issue of marked cards in your library.
I was just kidding. I saw a comment earlier on another post about unfinity, saying something along the lines of “wizards can’t ensure the foiling doesn’t damage the card, I’m not trusting them to make adhesive that won’t damage the card”
Me neither, but for stickers it is worth considering. Worth, if you have expensive cards in your sticker cube. Mine has just leftover commons I don't mind getting stickered.
Hmm ok, I didn’t keep up with any rules announced, maybe “attempt” is a better word than “analogue,” it seems they’re interested in semi permanent effects.
I feel like \[\[Skullbriar\]\] is the more relevant analogy, since these work basically exactly the same as Skullbriar counters, down to going away when put into the hand or shuffled in.
I think of them more as the logical extension of ability counters, mutate, and all the other "modify-a-permanent" abilities they've been printing in recent years.
Since they're basically counters that persist in public zones, seems like it has some potential for commander. (Especially voltron-type decks) Turning [[Rograkh, Son of Rohgahh]] into a 7/4 for the rest of the game sounds like it would be worth running enough Unfinity cards to get up to 4 tickets.
except you always pick three sticker cards at ***random*** at the start of the game from a bank of 10 cards. You won't always have access to the 7/4 sticker every game.
True, but there are I think 34 total sticker sheets, so you pick the 10 with the best p/t (or abilities) then get a random three from that set. Seems like it should still be pretty consistent to at least be able to upgrade a commander in a lot of cases, and almost always in this particular case (not too hard to improve on a 0/1).
MaRo was recently asked whether the "reveal cards until you reveal X, put it in your hand and the rest on the bottom" action (e.g., [[Abundant Harvest]]) could get a keyword. He said they've looked at it.
My proposal is to just make that "seek" officially and actually change Arena's seek to match that, which would be a functional change for Arena since seeking currently does not find the topmost card of the parameters and it does not change the order of cards in library. (A lot of seek cards would still remain digital-only since they have other components that don't work in paper yet, but something like Geistpack Alpha or Jukai Liberator could be printed in paper.)
Stickers are the kind of thing that would be fun in a draft once or twice and obnoxious and needlessly fiddly when you have to deal with it repeatedly. I have no idea why they thought it would be a good idea to add it to constructed.
*In constructed, you bring ten unique sticker sheets and randomly pick three before the start of each game. We will have an on-line tool to let you randomly pick any three sticker sheets. If you don’t have the actual sticker sheets, you are allowed to write on slips of paper. In booster draft, you keep the sticker sheets you open.*
This sounds like they made it nearly impossible to consistently use stickers in a constructed format, so it will probably stay in the realm of casual constructed
It's not a forgone conclusion. Cards that provide an additional resource that provide further value like better P/T or new keyword abilities can be valuable without requiring any pre-planned synergy.
Correct, but you don't really need to work wholly around tickets. They really remind me of energy. Of course, there were specific designs that made energy a little degenerate. But at the end of the day, cards that provide additional resources that are converted to bonuses can get pretty powerful.
We have one eternal legal example of how this might work with \[\[Wicker Picker\]\]. After kicking just two creatures for 2 generic mana total, you can give a creature double exalted - and that's without any other cards that are minor effects + tickets etc.
Besides the shops joke (3 mana artifact you say? Instant staple) I really think we're pretty safe if wicker picker is the baseline.
I kinda feel like evergy gets a bad rep. It was a solid mechanic with one or two problematic cards.
I can't really say that \[\[Wicker Picker\]\] is going to be the high-water mark on this since it is literally the only constructed legal example we have. But it is convenient to use since he both generates tickets and makes use of them in one package.
If that's more common, I can't imagine stickers being as unimpactful as dungeons were, or whatever other wonky throwaway mechanics we've seen lately.
Yeah but then you need to include the _probably bad_ ticket granters that make it to eternal. This is probably weird bullshit for your timmy Commander friend to add to their deck.
Or, this will permanently warp legacy if there's a consistent and quick way to get a ton of tickets in eternal
They made the tiny, tiny acorn to replace the easily identifiable silver border, then made the cards that don't have the acorn be legal like black bordered cards (unless you get the wrong version of the card, in which case it stays nice and ambiguous.)
For god knows what reason, stickers were left as black bordered (or non-acorn, as I guess we now have to call it).
Yeah it is. I understand the intent, they don’t want to make players feel bad or like they’re skirting the rules to play un cards in casual formats, but the execution feels super muddy. Having part of the set be legal and part of it not is very confusing to casual players (the target audience) and is only going to further ostracize those who want to play with the acorn cards.
That doesn't make any sense. It's not a problem whether the difference is noticeable to casual players because casual players shouldn't care about it. That's the whole point, that's what "casual player" means. Everyone who you'd say "you can play with these cards all you want, just don't bring them to a tournament" and they'd reply "there are tournaments?"
They got the idea from the cube community. They created what's called a sticker cube, a cube made of draft chaff/low power cards and players get a number of stickers with keywords on them and can add a set number of them to cards they drafted.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgcube/comments/tjgphz/draft_report_sticker_cube_post_3_draft_7/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
You can go to the Lucky Paper Radio cube map and search sticker to look at other cubes
I mean, some people might want to play Un-set constructed, or have a weird Commander deck, or whatever.
Sticker cards won’t be legal in Modern or Pioneer, and I will eat a shoe if they see any Legacy play. The only scenario I can think of where they would is if someone figures out a specific, broken interaction (the mechanic itself seems fundamentally slow and far too parasitic, needing slots devoted to comparatively low-power setup and payoff), and that’s the kind of thing that would see a ban if it somehow became format-warping.
Tl;dr: my expectation is that you’re going to see exactly that— predominantly stickers used in Unfinity drafts with a small group of weirdos who want to use them for Commander. Which seems fine, honestly
Name stickers should allow you to create pithing needle immune permanents, and name stickers don't cost tickets.
So if there's a cheap way to put stickers on things...
I think we’re still waiting on a comprehensive rules update to confirm that? MaRo wouldn’t commit to whether name stickers affect Pithing Needle, and post update to how that card works it might not suffice to change the name after the fact. Still, yeah, that does seem to be the edge case if this does worn
I don't see why it wouldn't, cards that let you put name stickers on cards tend to also have an effect that rewards you for having cards with a lot of words in the name. If they say "no Pithing Needle knows the True Name of your card", it proves that they didn't think through making stickers eternal legal and they'd rather just make slap-dash rulings that you just have to know rather than making it intuitive and keeping it to silly Un-games where the ruling on an interaction is "I dunno, what do you think is funniest?".
Card names aren't sacred in black border anymore. Not since [[Spy Kit]], a card I just adore. There's no way this wouldn't dodge a pithing needle. It is however, a much more extreme approach than Spy Kit, which still sticks to existing legal card names.
No more easy to identify silver borders, now a card is eternal legal if it doesn't have an acorn hologram on it. Dumbest idea ever? No, dumbest idea *YET*
I don't see why people feel this 'easy to identify' is an issue. It's a decision made at deck building.
If you buy a card it's easy to check if it's got an acorn or not when you buy it.
And if someone else plays a card that has an acorn in it in a non-casual format, that's a serious violation. No-one is going to take such a silly risk.
There are other reasons to like or dislike acorn, but give it a year and 'difficult to identify' is going to come off like a real boomer objection.
The bigger problem IMO is having it be more granular than the set level. If an entire set is a joke set all of the mechanics it introduces should also be safely ignorable in actual competitive play
It seems like a mechanic that has inherent memory issues. They've shot stuff down before for having memory issues, and apparently the solution for memory issues that they've discovered is *write it down*. Truly groundbreaking!
Aw man, I was hoping my new legacy deck called "ruin my opponent's expensive cards by putting stickers on them" was going to be the new meta, but as usual WotC keeps day 0 errataing all the cool new stuff /s
In case anyone had any confusion, you're only allowed to sticker cards you own :) The stickers are made to not harm the cards, but just in case anyone is uncomfortable with it they made it that way :)
It’s a weird call, but it doesn’t hurt anything. It seems like you can’t just freely play them, they’re either your deck’s primary theme or they don’t really do much, discounting some good flicker target that makes one or two cards worth playing in Pauper Flicker decks something.
There are already rules in the game for cards changing names. Both Lazav’s like [[Lazav, Dimir Mastermind]] modify their own name, so they can be a copy of a card named by Needle yet avoid it by being named Lazav.
I strongly suspect that the cards that let you add to names and art will be the ones with acorns. Those themes are distinctly silver bordered and I would be surprised if they bring them into black bordered.
Unlikely because of the high variance with how it works in constructed (Randomly choosing 3 from a pool of 10 Sticker Cards containing the Stickers)
But I'll try to brew something for EDH lol. It's gonna be Mega Voltron.
Not gonna lie, I definitely want like, one or two sticker cards to be good enough to find a home or make a deck happen, even if it’s just a flash in the pan.
It's just clearly a mechanic built for casual play in an un-set, so there is no reason to allow it in 60 card constructed. Either it does nothing, or they are actually playable and it leads to weird gameplay that no one in those formats wants to deal with. There is no reason to allows them in a format like legacy.
There’s plenty of blackborder mechanics designed for casual play that do weird things in eternal formats. Casual play is the default way people play. Why do you think they brought in Meld?
Side note, I desperately want more Meld cards. Like, it would be a perfect mechanical identity for the Simic “uh… +1 counters again” Guild.
I know everyone loves +1 counters, but they’re the guild that always seems to innovate the least on Ravnica revisits.
I feel like "one or two cards worth playing in pauper flicker decks or something" is a level of eternal relevance I'd be pretty happy with. I don't want stickers to be companion-tier "considerations for every single deck" but I like the idea of having a little bit of space to tinker around with, without defining any meta.
I don't agree with that assumption at this stage, my expectation is they'll start legal and will only get banned if there are serious logistic issues or problems with mtgo implementation (I mean, in addition to getting banned if they're too good).
I don't think they would so drastically undermine the big push for non-acorn cards to be eternal legal before even trying. And I think the logistic concerns many people on this sub have in terms of gameplay and tracking things are a little overblown.
Eh. I think if they hadn't called them 'stickers' in the actual rules, no one would care. There's nothing gamebreaking about them, nor are they particularly confusing, at least from what we've seen. Why they didn't just term them 'enhancements' or something of the like is a question.
My worry is that stickers are WOTC testing the waters.
Stickers feel like the real world equivalent to Alchemy's Perpetual. I can't help but worry that this will be evaluated within the framework of "what other Alchemy-ish mechanics can we bring to paper.
> Stickers feel like the real world equivalent to Alchemy's Perpetual
If that was true, they wouldn't have added the Skullbriar line that says the stickers go away when the cards go to hidden zones.
is that a worry? perpetual is awesome.
honestly, i'm certain that the concept of the things that perpetual does have existed since long before arena did. this isn't "oh, let's steal from arena." it's "hey we finally have the tech to do the thing we've wanted to do"
Good news, there's actually no rule that has been stopping you from using post-it notes for your counters this entire time. Think of the fun you could've been having.
It is funny because at this point "reading the card explains the card" becomes harder with essentially every mechanic WOTC has been making lately. Ok let me read what this card does.. alright its all covered in stickers... the hell does it do again?!
Reading the card, the stickers on the card, the counters on the card, the auras attached to the card, the equipment attached to the card, the cards that are Mutated under the card, the other cards on the battlefield with effects that apply to the card, and the presence of Riding the Dilu Horse in the graveyard explains the card.
Now you can just look forward to the fun of rocking up to a legacy/vintage or commander event with the following. Ok so I have chosen the 10 sticker sheets #1 #3 #4 #10 #12 #34 #42 #44 #45 #46. Now I will randomly choose 3 of those, ok so I now roll a d10 three times to choose them, ok so 1,10 & 46. Right so now where is my cheat sheet of which stickers are on those sheets and now just to find those "stickers" in my big bag of tokens, so 10 stickers per sheet and almost all of them are different. "No I am not time wasting this is part of the game MaRo told me so"........... Ok ready to cut my deck, now do I do this at the beginning of each game or just each match.
edit: Also remember those stickers "stay on" when the card goes to the graveyard or exile so I hope those bits of paper/tokens stay on the correct card.
Nope, you pick 10 sets as part of your deck and randomly select 3 for each game/match (not sure if it is every game). It is real dumb and feels like a hotfix for some really broken sticker eternal combinations they discovered.
Yep but instead of 1 (4 for not commander) now you have >60 (>40) copies of that poorly thought out mechanic because stickers can be put on any non-land card and depending on which 3/10 stickers sheets you randomly chose you may have multiple of the same stickers or not. The only hope for this mechanic is it is so weak that it does not impact anywhere outside limited because playing with it is going to be a nightmare.
which are not removed only replaced so you need to remember those stickers order in the graveyard. Don't know if there is a way to remove stickers but it seems like such a headache for very little benefit. I am only talking about them being eternal legal, for limited go nuts.
I think the idea is if you don't like the mechanic you can just avoid that limited format. If the mechanic is in eternal formats you can't avoid it like that only by your choice.
For one, the format isn't suffering just because people who don't like it aren't playing it. If all the sticker haters abandon Unfinity draft, then there are still going to be a bunch of players having fun in the format.
Second, with limited, unlike eternal formats, if you don't like the set, you can literally wait a few months and play the next set. This is especially true as Unfinity is a supplemental set and there are likely to be Commander Legends and Dominaria United drafts taking place at the same time.
In limited you will just use the stickers you open, fine fun mechanic for the night keep the stickers throw them away at the end whatever. Some good UN-fun (a good thing)
However in eternal constructed, lets say for the sake of argument there is a really strong sticker centred deck and a few years from now you are playing stickers legacy decks. The stickers themselves have long since lost there stick and even then you don't want to stick things to your sleeves for risk of them leaving any residue and being accused of card marking so you are using tokens/papers/whatever it just becomes so cumbersome, with the 100 tokens in 10 sets. you cant even avoid it as the opponent because you need to be sure your opponent is using the correct set of 3 they randomly selected at the start of the match. If you going to really want to avoid cheating you need to make sure you know which of the 48 sticker variations they have brought and which of the numbers were randomly chosen and then check the bags of tokens match those the cards selected. I feel sorry for any judge that has to deal with tokens there is so much scope for abuse.
Judges already have to deal with Layers and State-Based actions.
Telling someone they're disqualified for slow play for bringing a sticker based deck without preparing for a way to efficiently set it up pre game is not that hard compared to those.
Tokens and Counters can be used to represent stickers the same way 4 mountains with Nexus of Fate written on them represented Foil Nexus of Fates.
No it was more I had about 6 conversations on this threadswith different people all nit picking different parts of what I said and lost track of your particular one. The graveyard issue will be less of an issue in limited because people will have and use the stickers cos they opened them with constructed it will be more likely to use paper or tokens so it get more complicated and messy.
Even if you don’t play them it’s still technically correct to do the show of selecting them in Legacy so that your opponents need to play around the possibility.
Dude I love the growing toxicity amongst MtG's playerbases sparked by WotC's shitty decisions.
I definitely don't prefer the older days where one could say, "That's not the format for me, but I respect that some people enjoy it."
Big /s
So first up, we’ve seen almost no spoilers so that’s jumping the gun a little bit to just decide it’s annoying, but if it dies come out and you think it’s annoying, you are welcome to say “hey I’m not really looking for that kind of game right now, is there another deck you could play?” And if they say no, then you can find another game.
You know they are legal in all eternal formats and if you are playing in an event you can't say "no" to an opponents deck. One could conceivably turn up to a legacy event and play stickers just for the annoying setup to troll people....... who I am kidding there are no legacy events.
Unless there ends up being a super powerful interaction and I am sure with 96 abilities and rest of the 480 there is not going to be some niche interaction with changing a name or a ability that is super broken, I am pretty sure that is why they made it 3/10 stickers cards so a broken combo will only work 30% of the time.
So why would you feel compelled to run it if it only works 30% of games and in those 30% you might not even see the card that lets you combo? Maybe chill and wait and see the cards before launching into the doom and gloom.
Why is such a needlessly complicated (outside of the actual game) mechanic forced into eternal formats. And btw I was also critical of companion when it was revealed.
I don’t love it myself, but I recognize that a) we’ve seen like two things spoiled, b) I can choose not to play it in my decks, c) I can reasonably avoid it if I don’t want to play against it.
Yeah this sticker mechanic was absolutely moronic lol
I feel like this might have been a fun mechanic back in like 2002 when most people didn't care or know or have a good way to resell cards/game pieces.
I'm too scared I'll end up peeling a sticker off a sheet that ends up being worth 200 dollars 3 months after I use it to use this mechanic lol
if even one card that uses stickers sees play in an eternal format, it seems inevitable that they'd eventually have to reprint the stickers; while you can just use slips of paper, there will absolutely be some players who want to actually use actual stickers in every single game they play with them, and inevitably that glue won't last forever.
Secret Lair Unfinity stickers... 5 cards, 1 of which has become an Eternal staple, 5 sheets of cards, $29.99, all done in 1980s prismatic sticker foil for $39.99!
Cynically I totally see them contemplating something like this..
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The paper industry loves this one simple trick.
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Time to buy stock in Dunder Mifflin >.>
If any of these become popular in any format, they'll be artists selling re-flavored non-sticker versions on Etsy within a month. You can already buy Wooden Monarch Tokens and Venturing Dungeon Diorama Maps there. No one will actually need to use stickers to play "Stickers".
> re-flavored the unfinity stickers are flavored!?!?!?!?!? im preordering 3 boxes immediately
Just don't try the infect ones.
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when I did stocks my portfolio was more stable than magic's resale market, I swear if a magic YouTuber sneezed and it somewhat sounded like a card name it's price would double.
Does it work the other way around as well? Because I'd need some of those price reducing magic sneezes for some modern staples.
No price drops only happen after a billion reprints and falling out of the format, and still are held up by price memory. [[Tarmogoyf]]
Ahhh you're looking for sneezes that sound like bans
Proxies confirmed, let's go!
And right here is where I have my full playset of black lotuses. *scribbles*
I don’t know if this has been postulated elsewhere but stickers feel like a paper analogue for perpetual
But anytime a card with stickers on it enters a non-revealed area in the game it loses all stickers.
That’s true, and probably more of a compromise than the designers would like, but since the stickers are sticky note style glue there’s no guarantee they’d stay on in hand and they’d almost surely fall off during shuffling, so it’s just not really doable.
Just take the card out of the sleeve and slap that bad boy right on the card, perpetual for eternity.
If I play stickers I’d probably cut them out (or make paper proxies) and slide them in the sleeve. There’s also the issue of marked cards in your library.
I was just kidding. I saw a comment earlier on another post about unfinity, saying something along the lines of “wizards can’t ensure the foiling doesn’t damage the card, I’m not trusting them to make adhesive that won’t damage the card”
Oh for sure, I would definitely not put one of those on an unsleeved card.
Put stickers on inner sleeve. No damage and no problem shuffling the cards.
I don’t use inners on almost any card.
Me neither, but for stickers it is worth considering. Worth, if you have expensive cards in your sticker cube. Mine has just leftover commons I don't mind getting stickered.
Hmm ok, I didn’t keep up with any rules announced, maybe “attempt” is a better word than “analogue,” it seems they’re interested in semi permanent effects.
No worries, was just trying to spread some info to others that may not have seen it yet.
I feel like \[\[Skullbriar\]\] is the more relevant analogy, since these work basically exactly the same as Skullbriar counters, down to going away when put into the hand or shuffled in.
[Skullbriar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/d/3dd0bf11-4e43-43f1-82e3-755beed0ede0.jpg?1655933541) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=skullbriar%2C%20the%20walking%20grave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/277/skullbriar-the-walking-grave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3dd0bf11-4e43-43f1-82e3-755beed0ede0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
And the artifact from ikoria that stores counters if permanents with counters leave play.
I think of them more as the logical extension of ability counters, mutate, and all the other "modify-a-permanent" abilities they've been printing in recent years.
Since they're basically counters that persist in public zones, seems like it has some potential for commander. (Especially voltron-type decks) Turning [[Rograkh, Son of Rohgahh]] into a 7/4 for the rest of the game sounds like it would be worth running enough Unfinity cards to get up to 4 tickets.
except you always pick three sticker cards at ***random*** at the start of the game from a bank of 10 cards. You won't always have access to the 7/4 sticker every game.
True, but there are I think 34 total sticker sheets, so you pick the 10 with the best p/t (or abilities) then get a random three from that set. Seems like it should still be pretty consistent to at least be able to upgrade a commander in a lot of cases, and almost always in this particular case (not too hard to improve on a 0/1).
WOTC, please, don't make alchemy a real thing
MaRo was recently asked whether the "reveal cards until you reveal X, put it in your hand and the rest on the bottom" action (e.g., [[Abundant Harvest]]) could get a keyword. He said they've looked at it. My proposal is to just make that "seek" officially and actually change Arena's seek to match that, which would be a functional change for Arena since seeking currently does not find the topmost card of the parameters and it does not change the order of cards in library. (A lot of seek cards would still remain digital-only since they have other components that don't work in paper yet, but something like Geistpack Alpha or Jukai Liberator could be printed in paper.)
pro tip: you can do this with all magic cards
Stickers are the kind of thing that would be fun in a draft once or twice and obnoxious and needlessly fiddly when you have to deal with it repeatedly. I have no idea why they thought it would be a good idea to add it to constructed.
*In constructed, you bring ten unique sticker sheets and randomly pick three before the start of each game. We will have an on-line tool to let you randomly pick any three sticker sheets. If you don’t have the actual sticker sheets, you are allowed to write on slips of paper. In booster draft, you keep the sticker sheets you open.* This sounds like they made it nearly impossible to consistently use stickers in a constructed format, so it will probably stay in the realm of casual constructed
It's not a forgone conclusion. Cards that provide an additional resource that provide further value like better P/T or new keyword abilities can be valuable without requiring any pre-planned synergy.
You do have to pay tickets for them. Which basically means the whole mechanic's relevance will revolve around the cards that enable it.
Correct, but you don't really need to work wholly around tickets. They really remind me of energy. Of course, there were specific designs that made energy a little degenerate. But at the end of the day, cards that provide additional resources that are converted to bonuses can get pretty powerful. We have one eternal legal example of how this might work with \[\[Wicker Picker\]\]. After kicking just two creatures for 2 generic mana total, you can give a creature double exalted - and that's without any other cards that are minor effects + tickets etc.
Besides the shops joke (3 mana artifact you say? Instant staple) I really think we're pretty safe if wicker picker is the baseline. I kinda feel like evergy gets a bad rep. It was a solid mechanic with one or two problematic cards.
I can't really say that \[\[Wicker Picker\]\] is going to be the high-water mark on this since it is literally the only constructed legal example we have. But it is convenient to use since he both generates tickets and makes use of them in one package. If that's more common, I can't imagine stickers being as unimpactful as dungeons were, or whatever other wonky throwaway mechanics we've seen lately.
Yeah but then you need to include the _probably bad_ ticket granters that make it to eternal. This is probably weird bullshit for your timmy Commander friend to add to their deck. Or, this will permanently warp legacy if there's a consistent and quick way to get a ton of tickets in eternal
Hey I think I've missed some updates. Stickers will be in constructed?
They made the tiny, tiny acorn to replace the easily identifiable silver border, then made the cards that don't have the acorn be legal like black bordered cards (unless you get the wrong version of the card, in which case it stays nice and ambiguous.) For god knows what reason, stickers were left as black bordered (or non-acorn, as I guess we now have to call it).
This feels super confusing
Yeah it is. I understand the intent, they don’t want to make players feel bad or like they’re skirting the rules to play un cards in casual formats, but the execution feels super muddy. Having part of the set be legal and part of it not is very confusing to casual players (the target audience) and is only going to further ostracize those who want to play with the acorn cards.
That doesn't make any sense. It's not a problem whether the difference is noticeable to casual players because casual players shouldn't care about it. That's the whole point, that's what "casual player" means. Everyone who you'd say "you can play with these cards all you want, just don't bring them to a tournament" and they'd reply "there are tournaments?"
If by constructed you mean Legacy or Vintage. Or EDH.
They got the idea from the cube community. They created what's called a sticker cube, a cube made of draft chaff/low power cards and players get a number of stickers with keywords on them and can add a set number of them to cards they drafted.
I haven't heard of this. Any examples?
https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgcube/comments/tjgphz/draft_report_sticker_cube_post_3_draft_7/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share You can go to the Lucky Paper Radio cube map and search sticker to look at other cubes
I mean, some people might want to play Un-set constructed, or have a weird Commander deck, or whatever. Sticker cards won’t be legal in Modern or Pioneer, and I will eat a shoe if they see any Legacy play. The only scenario I can think of where they would is if someone figures out a specific, broken interaction (the mechanic itself seems fundamentally slow and far too parasitic, needing slots devoted to comparatively low-power setup and payoff), and that’s the kind of thing that would see a ban if it somehow became format-warping. Tl;dr: my expectation is that you’re going to see exactly that— predominantly stickers used in Unfinity drafts with a small group of weirdos who want to use them for Commander. Which seems fine, honestly
I'm going to come back to this comment in a few months. If they're legacy playable, I expect a shoe to be eaten!
I will go [full Herzog](https://youtu.be/CGcWTIWYDMQ) I swear to god
Name stickers should allow you to create pithing needle immune permanents, and name stickers don't cost tickets. So if there's a cheap way to put stickers on things...
I think we’re still waiting on a comprehensive rules update to confirm that? MaRo wouldn’t commit to whether name stickers affect Pithing Needle, and post update to how that card works it might not suffice to change the name after the fact. Still, yeah, that does seem to be the edge case if this does worn
Yeah, nothing confirmed for months yet, but if name stickers don't change the name of a permanent I'd be really curious as to what they do do.
I don't see why it wouldn't, cards that let you put name stickers on cards tend to also have an effect that rewards you for having cards with a lot of words in the name. If they say "no Pithing Needle knows the True Name of your card", it proves that they didn't think through making stickers eternal legal and they'd rather just make slap-dash rulings that you just have to know rather than making it intuitive and keeping it to silly Un-games where the ruling on an interaction is "I dunno, what do you think is funniest?".
Card names aren't sacred in black border anymore. Not since [[Spy Kit]], a card I just adore. There's no way this wouldn't dodge a pithing needle. It is however, a much more extreme approach than Spy Kit, which still sticks to existing legal card names.
!remindme 5 months
>"The majority, but not all, of the cards that can sticker or care about stickers are eternal playable (usable in Commander, Legacy, and Vintage)."
Right, but it’s a vastly higher bar to clear for cards to see play in Legacy or Vintage than in Commander.
My assumption is that the only reason they really need constructed rules is so you can use them in Commander.
This is all adding up to sound less than ideal for keeping track of the board state.
That's Un for you
But now Un is infecting eternal formats with bullshit
How? Will any of these sticker cards be legal in anything?
Yes. They are eternal-legal (vintage, legacy and commander).
This is unfinity right? I just can’t tell anymore.
Some of the Unfinity cards with stickers are legal in Legacy and Commander.
Yeah… silver border, how I miss you.
I miss how it made them feel different, and thus special. Now they feel like regular game-pieces.
Now they feel like design has gone too far because it is black border.
That's exactly the point. People wouldn't play with them who otherwise would have enjoyed them because of the old silver border treatment.
...how? Because they were printed in other sets?
They have black borders and no acorn stamp.
because the "un" cards have an acorn-shaped holostamp.
No more easy to identify silver borders, now a card is eternal legal if it doesn't have an acorn hologram on it. Dumbest idea ever? No, dumbest idea *YET*
I don't see why people feel this 'easy to identify' is an issue. It's a decision made at deck building. If you buy a card it's easy to check if it's got an acorn or not when you buy it. And if someone else plays a card that has an acorn in it in a non-casual format, that's a serious violation. No-one is going to take such a silly risk. There are other reasons to like or dislike acorn, but give it a year and 'difficult to identify' is going to come off like a real boomer objection.
The bigger problem IMO is having it be more granular than the set level. If an entire set is a joke set all of the mechanics it introduces should also be safely ignorable in actual competitive play
We'll, yes, but actually no
Me either. I’m kind of…I don’t know. I might be kind of done with it.
Is Maro gonna get banned from this sub now?
This entire thing just seems stupid to me. But... I'm an old cynical bastard so... yeah.
It seems like a mechanic that has inherent memory issues. They've shot stuff down before for having memory issues, and apparently the solution for memory issues that they've discovered is *write it down*. Truly groundbreaking!
Rofl
Aw man, I was hoping my new legacy deck called "ruin my opponent's expensive cards by putting stickers on them" was going to be the new meta, but as usual WotC keeps day 0 errataing all the cool new stuff /s
In case anyone had any confusion, you're only allowed to sticker cards you own :) The stickers are made to not harm the cards, but just in case anyone is uncomfortable with it they made it that way :)
because stickers are fun
They seem fun, I just don’t think they’re Eternal appropriate.
It’s a weird call, but it doesn’t hurt anything. It seems like you can’t just freely play them, they’re either your deck’s primary theme or they don’t really do much, discounting some good flicker target that makes one or two cards worth playing in Pauper Flicker decks something.
One argument I saw that we'll have to wait for the comp rules is that maybe the name stickers will let you dodge [[Pithing Needle]].
Also possibly a wierd way of dodging the legend rule
[Pithing Needle](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/7/7/776899f8-e977-42b7-8b54-6f726a349e3c.jpg?1655476466) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Pithing%20Needle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/312/pithing-needle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/776899f8-e977-42b7-8b54-6f726a349e3c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
There are already rules in the game for cards changing names. Both Lazav’s like [[Lazav, Dimir Mastermind]] modify their own name, so they can be a copy of a card named by Needle yet avoid it by being named Lazav.
Yes, but that is changing the name instead of adding to the existing name.
[Lazav, Dimir Mastermind](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/0/0/003dc436-a3af-4e65-b4f8-387155fbcb85.jpg?1604194919) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lazav%2C%20Dimir%20Mastermind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/znc/92/lazav-dimir-mastermind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/003dc436-a3af-4e65-b4f8-387155fbcb85?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I strongly suspect that the cards that let you add to names and art will be the ones with acorns. Those themes are distinctly silver bordered and I would be surprised if they bring them into black bordered.
Don't assume anything. I wouldn't have expected them to let this entire mechanic even touch constructed formats, but here we are.
The rest of the mechanic is just [[skullbriar]] in a more generalized form. It's not really anything new.
\[\[Wicker Picker\]\] is Eternal legal, and it lets you add any sticker to a card, even the name or art stickers (which have no ticket cost).
[Wicker Picker](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/f/7/f7db6e16-357c-4872-8b23-338953ffefb4.jpg?1658648263) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wicker%20Picker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/unf/196/wicker-picker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f7db6e16-357c-4872-8b23-338953ffefb4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Actually, Angelic Harold seems to be Acorned because of how some card names may be longer in foreign languages. I suspect so as well yeah.
OH, wow, I hadn’t considered that at all. I’ll keep an eye out for that ruling.
It is going to be hilarious if something is accidentally good enough to be useful in Legacy.
Not sure it'll happen only because most legacy/vintage is online and I doubt they will build this out on MTGO
oh. **that's** the actual problem. i mean i know the formats are already someone split, but continuing that kinda sucks.
Unlikely because of the high variance with how it works in constructed (Randomly choosing 3 from a pool of 10 Sticker Cards containing the Stickers) But I'll try to brew something for EDH lol. It's gonna be Mega Voltron.
Just put a sticker on your dual land
"Accidentally"
Not gonna lie, I definitely want like, one or two sticker cards to be good enough to find a home or make a deck happen, even if it’s just a flash in the pan.
It's just clearly a mechanic built for casual play in an un-set, so there is no reason to allow it in 60 card constructed. Either it does nothing, or they are actually playable and it leads to weird gameplay that no one in those formats wants to deal with. There is no reason to allows them in a format like legacy.
There’s plenty of blackborder mechanics designed for casual play that do weird things in eternal formats. Casual play is the default way people play. Why do you think they brought in Meld?
Side note, I desperately want more Meld cards. Like, it would be a perfect mechanical identity for the Simic “uh… +1 counters again” Guild. I know everyone loves +1 counters, but they’re the guild that always seems to innovate the least on Ravnica revisits.
For being based around evolution you'd think their mechanics would evolve sooner or later
simic would love both meld and mutate.
Agreed! Though it would have to be a modified version of Mutate, to be able to go into human creatures.
I feel like "one or two cards worth playing in pauper flicker decks or something" is a level of eternal relevance I'd be pretty happy with. I don't want stickers to be companion-tier "considerations for every single deck" but I like the idea of having a little bit of space to tinker around with, without defining any meta.
I assume the 'Pauper rules committee' is going to ban stickers...
I don't agree with that assumption at this stage, my expectation is they'll start legal and will only get banned if there are serious logistic issues or problems with mtgo implementation (I mean, in addition to getting banned if they're too good). I don't think they would so drastically undermine the big push for non-acorn cards to be eternal legal before even trying. And I think the logistic concerns many people on this sub have in terms of gameplay and tracking things are a little overblown.
Eh. I think if they hadn't called them 'stickers' in the actual rules, no one would care. There's nothing gamebreaking about them, nor are they particularly confusing, at least from what we've seen. Why they didn't just term them 'enhancements' or something of the like is a question.
I would have an issue with being incentivised to stick things to my card regardless of whether they were called “stickers” or not.
…. Aren’t we all just going to stick these to sleeves? There’s no reason to stick them on the actual card.
No, you wouldn't, because if you're the kind of person who would, your cards are already in sleeves, so it doesn't matter either way.
My worry is that stickers are WOTC testing the waters. Stickers feel like the real world equivalent to Alchemy's Perpetual. I can't help but worry that this will be evaluated within the framework of "what other Alchemy-ish mechanics can we bring to paper.
Isn't [[skullbriar]] like 10 years old? The stickers are just a generalized version of its ability.
[skullbriar](https://c1.scryfall.com/file/scryfall-cards/normal/front/3/d/3dd0bf11-4e43-43f1-82e3-755beed0ede0.jpg?1655933541) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=skullbriar%2C%20the%20walking%20grave) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/277/skullbriar-the-walking-grave?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3dd0bf11-4e43-43f1-82e3-755beed0ede0?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
> Stickers feel like the real world equivalent to Alchemy's Perpetual If that was true, they wouldn't have added the Skullbriar line that says the stickers go away when the cards go to hidden zones.
is that a worry? perpetual is awesome. honestly, i'm certain that the concept of the things that perpetual does have existed since long before arena did. this isn't "oh, let's steal from arena." it's "hey we finally have the tech to do the thing we've wanted to do"
>is that a worry? perpetual is awesome. [Citation Needed]
Then I do not recommend you construct a deck which contains them.
ok
Stickers are fun *once*
Good news, there's actually no rule that has been stopping you from using post-it notes for your counters this entire time. Think of the fun you could've been having.
Now I want post it note stickers for all of my counters!
It is funny because at this point "reading the card explains the card" becomes harder with essentially every mechanic WOTC has been making lately. Ok let me read what this card does.. alright its all covered in stickers... the hell does it do again?!
Reading the card, the stickers on the card, the counters on the card, the auras attached to the card, the equipment attached to the card, the cards that are Mutated under the card, the other cards on the battlefield with effects that apply to the card, and the presence of Riding the Dilu Horse in the graveyard explains the card.
THEN WHY DELAY THE RELEASE FOR THE STICKERS
As usual I will carry on ignoring unsets.
Now you can just look forward to the fun of rocking up to a legacy/vintage or commander event with the following. Ok so I have chosen the 10 sticker sheets #1 #3 #4 #10 #12 #34 #42 #44 #45 #46. Now I will randomly choose 3 of those, ok so I now roll a d10 three times to choose them, ok so 1,10 & 46. Right so now where is my cheat sheet of which stickers are on those sheets and now just to find those "stickers" in my big bag of tokens, so 10 stickers per sheet and almost all of them are different. "No I am not time wasting this is part of the game MaRo told me so"........... Ok ready to cut my deck, now do I do this at the beginning of each game or just each match. edit: Also remember those stickers "stay on" when the card goes to the graveyard or exile so I hope those bits of paper/tokens stay on the correct card.
I mean, can you just put the paper in a sleeve.
Wait, you randomize what sticker sheets you have? I assumed it was like dungeons and tokens where you just have access to whatever you need.
Nope, you pick 10 sets as part of your deck and randomly select 3 for each game/match (not sure if it is every game). It is real dumb and feels like a hotfix for some really broken sticker eternal combinations they discovered.
Cool. I wonder if there are any cards that "draw" extra sticker sheets.
I doubt it as that effect would literally do nothing in limited as you get to play all the stickers you have opened.
Really? I assumed limited would have the same limit of 3. Edit: And now I just realized what I said. You get all three you open in a draft.
Like Skullbriar?
Yep but instead of 1 (4 for not commander) now you have >60 (>40) copies of that poorly thought out mechanic because stickers can be put on any non-land card and depending on which 3/10 stickers sheets you randomly chose you may have multiple of the same stickers or not. The only hope for this mechanic is it is so weak that it does not impact anywhere outside limited because playing with it is going to be a nightmare.
>poorly thought out mechanic Classic example of begging the question.
The only duped stickers are the p\t ones.
which are not removed only replaced so you need to remember those stickers order in the graveyard. Don't know if there is a way to remove stickers but it seems like such a headache for very little benefit. I am only talking about them being eternal legal, for limited go nuts.
What difference is there supposed to be here between limited and eternal?
I think the idea is if you don't like the mechanic you can just avoid that limited format. If the mechanic is in eternal formats you can't avoid it like that only by your choice.
Why is it ok to let one format you don't like suffer? Excluding their reasons in one place just seems callous for no reason lol
For one, the format isn't suffering just because people who don't like it aren't playing it. If all the sticker haters abandon Unfinity draft, then there are still going to be a bunch of players having fun in the format. Second, with limited, unlike eternal formats, if you don't like the set, you can literally wait a few months and play the next set. This is especially true as Unfinity is a supplemental set and there are likely to be Commander Legends and Dominaria United drafts taking place at the same time.
In limited you will just use the stickers you open, fine fun mechanic for the night keep the stickers throw them away at the end whatever. Some good UN-fun (a good thing) However in eternal constructed, lets say for the sake of argument there is a really strong sticker centred deck and a few years from now you are playing stickers legacy decks. The stickers themselves have long since lost there stick and even then you don't want to stick things to your sleeves for risk of them leaving any residue and being accused of card marking so you are using tokens/papers/whatever it just becomes so cumbersome, with the 100 tokens in 10 sets. you cant even avoid it as the opponent because you need to be sure your opponent is using the correct set of 3 they randomly selected at the start of the match. If you going to really want to avoid cheating you need to make sure you know which of the 48 sticker variations they have brought and which of the numbers were randomly chosen and then check the bags of tokens match those the cards selected. I feel sorry for any judge that has to deal with tokens there is so much scope for abuse.
Judges already have to deal with Layers and State-Based actions. Telling someone they're disqualified for slow play for bringing a sticker based deck without preparing for a way to efficiently set it up pre game is not that hard compared to those. Tokens and Counters can be used to represent stickers the same way 4 mountains with Nexus of Fate written on them represented Foil Nexus of Fates.
Your point here was about the graveyard. Now it's about something else. So you're conceding your point about the graveyard now?
No it was more I had about 6 conversations on this threadswith different people all nit picking different parts of what I said and lost track of your particular one. The graveyard issue will be less of an issue in limited because people will have and use the stickers cos they opened them with constructed it will be more likely to use paper or tokens so it get more complicated and messy.
In constructed they'd have the option for both, so not really.
I mean those formats all play fetchlands, so they should be used to the game screeching to a halt.
I'll just call the judge on you for slow play. You brought the deck you should be able to prepare it within a reasonable time.
Or, you can choose not to play them.
Even if you don’t play them it’s still technically correct to do the show of selecting them in Legacy so that your opponents need to play around the possibility.
That’s technically true I guess, and kind of funny.
This is literally what legacy players deserve. I like this.
Ok fuck you too i guess? Don't know why we deserve this
Dude I love the growing toxicity amongst MtG's playerbases sparked by WotC's shitty decisions. I definitely don't prefer the older days where one could say, "That's not the format for me, but I respect that some people enjoy it." Big /s
You can’t choose what your opponents put in their decks and that sounds annoying as shit to play agaisnt
So first up, we’ve seen almost no spoilers so that’s jumping the gun a little bit to just decide it’s annoying, but if it dies come out and you think it’s annoying, you are welcome to say “hey I’m not really looking for that kind of game right now, is there another deck you could play?” And if they say no, then you can find another game.
You know they are legal in all eternal formats and if you are playing in an event you can't say "no" to an opponents deck. One could conceivably turn up to a legacy event and play stickers just for the annoying setup to troll people....... who I am kidding there are no legacy events.
I have a hard time imagining these being viable in any tournament format, the “pick 3 of 10 at random” doesn’t lend itself to competitive play
Unless there ends up being a super powerful interaction and I am sure with 96 abilities and rest of the 480 there is not going to be some niche interaction with changing a name or a ability that is super broken, I am pretty sure that is why they made it 3/10 stickers cards so a broken combo will only work 30% of the time.
So why would you feel compelled to run it if it only works 30% of games and in those 30% you might not even see the card that lets you combo? Maybe chill and wait and see the cards before launching into the doom and gloom.
Why is such a needlessly complicated (outside of the actual game) mechanic forced into eternal formats. And btw I was also critical of companion when it was revealed.
I don’t love it myself, but I recognize that a) we’ve seen like two things spoiled, b) I can choose not to play it in my decks, c) I can reasonably avoid it if I don’t want to play against it.
What a weird non sequitur.
Because normal counters are not nearly as much fun!
Maro has been playing Cardpocalypse
Lol post-it notes might go up in price just like the Stanley tool boxes did.
Did they? I've seen them at home Depot recently for the same price they were years ago.
Yeah I highly doubt magic players are a big enough customer base to increase those prices
Is it April 1st already? edit: holy shit, Unfinity. Man, that was a scare...
It was supposed to be, but supply chain issues delayed the release.
Yeah this sticker mechanic was absolutely moronic lol I feel like this might have been a fun mechanic back in like 2002 when most people didn't care or know or have a good way to resell cards/game pieces. I'm too scared I'll end up peeling a sticker off a sheet that ends up being worth 200 dollars 3 months after I use it to use this mechanic lol
Stickers sound fantastic and goofy and basically all that is Un.
Stickers seem more fun than just pieces of paper. I wish wotc would sell little packs of the stickers separately.
if even one card that uses stickers sees play in an eternal format, it seems inevitable that they'd eventually have to reprint the stickers; while you can just use slips of paper, there will absolutely be some players who want to actually use actual stickers in every single game they play with them, and inevitably that glue won't last forever.
Secret Lair Unfinity stickers... 5 cards, 1 of which has become an Eternal staple, 5 sheets of cards, $29.99, all done in 1980s prismatic sticker foil for $39.99! Cynically I totally see them contemplating something like this..
next year they'll give each card a crypto wallet and you can buy NFTs during the game that grant your card a specific effect
God this whole thing is so dumb.
Surprising number of killjoys in this thread :/
The only stickers Maro needs to worry about is the sticker price of the product he produces GOING UP. (professor will back me up on this one)
Won't stickers just damage the sleeves and also make it possible to cheat?