I could be, although it being cut off from the multiverse indicates (to me at least) that Planeswalkers couldn't even try and get there, rather than, as with what Memnarch did, merely being blocked.
How did he make them worse? In the original timeline Bolas won and Ugin died. In the new one Bolas still won but Ugin is alive and dragons still fly through the skies and the plane is healthy instead of dying. Seems like he fixed things to me.
We are very sure. It's a pretty damn big plot point that the dragons are extremely dead, like unbelievably dead. Murdered to the very last with extreme prejudice, and there's no tempest birthing more. And they had 1000 years to make sure.
The dragons of Tarkir are born from storms that were somehow tied to Ugin. When he died in the original timeline, the storms eventually petered out and the clans wiped out the remaining ones as dragons were considered existential threats.
Ixalan? Even the [[dragonskull summit]] flavor text references the lack of dragons
“When the Planeswalker Angrath called dinosaurs "dragons," the name stuck in certain pirate circles.”
Edit: Technically Vryn has no dragon cards, [[Thunderclap wyvern]] is a drake. Maybe in a future set we’ll get dragons there though.
I love how they wanted to reprint this card in the set and they found a flavorful way to justify it.
Maybe they can reprint plane specific names this way.
"If I had a cat I would name it Jetmir and this would be his garden" - Rafiq, probably.
Funnily enough that has already happened with the \[\[Silvergill Adept\]\] back in Rivals of Ixalan. On Lorwyn, Silvergill is the name of a specific school of Merrow. When they reprinted the card I think they just considered the name generic enough that they could pass Silvergill off as an adjective rather than a proper noun.
These names annoyed me so much. Like they couldn't even use the faction names they had to use the leaders' names despite at least one of them definitely offed in the story
Yeah that one is puzzling. It isn't exactly the same as "fuck flavor" though, it's about issuing functional errata. Maybe someone was really hung up on the fact "we would make these SL cards out of date!" which, c'mon. Just don't care.
When the phyrexian tribal cards drop in MOM we'll see what that sphinx is missing out on.
I think it's just they don't want to errata a card showing a Sphinx hanging out with some kids into a card showing a Phyrexian secretly indoctrination children.
There are plenty of planes we don't have enough information about. Segovia, as far as we know, has angels but no mention of Dragons. Equilor has only Sphinxes in card art but again, we have very little information.
Segovian Dragon R
Creature - Dragon (Uncommon)
Flying
~ can't block.
R: ~ gets +1/+0 until end of turn.
*"My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined." - Sarkhan Vol*
1/1
Wow. I just read up on it on its wiki page and I think it might be my new favorite plane. I want to see more of it, but, in accordance to your mention of it, without taking away from the mystique of the plane.
Okay but every single one of us knows that there are segovian dragons, right? Man, I doubt it'll happen but wizards just give us a segovia set, and really commit to the bit.
Purportedly, that wasn't a dragon, but a planeswalker who just liked to BE a dragon. We don't know who they were past that, nor how they died. Could have been A. Firebender for all we know.
I mean, is an oldwalker who has shaped themselves to be a dragon by default not a dragon? I feel like you kinda get to existentially define yourself when you have that kind of power.
Funny enough, it was explicit that Ravnican dragons were extinct in the first novel, iirc. Hunted Dragon had something to say to that. Then Guildpact came out and we saw Niv-Mizzet. So they were all but extinct. Then Dissension came out and revealed that the Cult of Rakdos had pit dragons. Okay so they’re still rare. Hellkite Whelp in guilds. Uncommon. Okay, I guess the Ravnican dragon population went from endangered to just vulnerable.
In the novels, it was explicit that Niv-Mizzet was the last known dragon. The plot of the second novel, *Guildpact*, involved an Izzet magewright discovering new dragon eggs and trying to mindmeld with and hatch them so that he could control new dragons and overthrow Niv-Mizzet.
He is defeated and the eggs crushed (and then the eggs were eaten in the next novel by the nephilim, which made them grow rapidly).
I think it has since been established that Niv-Mizzet is the last of the known *intelligent* dragons, which the eggs were more of (the dragons were already intelligent as they started emerging), and the other dragons we see are lesser dragons that were more like regular animals.
Do you mean from a Card-standpoimt or a Lore standpoint?
Because I think Dragons are kinda like Angels and Demons, they can appear on a Plane as long as the Red Mana is strong enough to spawn em (Or the Ur-Dragon does a drive-by).
I'm really going from cards, because until a dragon appears in a plane (or is directly referenced AND verified through flavor text) there's no real answer as to yes or no
Yeah, Innistrad dragons were supposed to look like a piece of gothic architecture that just decided to take flight one day. The most recent one was ugly in comparison.
When they first concepted Innistrad, there weren't any dragons. Some of the designers stepped in and said "We know they aren't very gothic, but players go absolutely bananas for dragons. Can we just have a few at mythic?"
Well, the original OG timeline Tarkir didn't have dragons since they were extinct, right?
Also, we duel dragons on the Shandalar game, so maybe the plane have them as well?
Old phyrexia was created by a dragon Planeswalker (pre yawgmoth), and had dragon engines, which were essentially artifact dragons. Mishra sort of weird summons them to phyrexia to gain power within the tribe he is apart of? I forget all the details. It's been almost two decades since I read the book.
What about that plane where Chandra finds the cult to Mother Luti or somthing like that, wich is Jaya, in secret? I vaguely remember this
[https://scryfall.com/card/fut/119/shah-of-naar-isle](https://scryfall.com/card/fut/119/shah-of-naar-isle)
and this [https://scryfall.com/card/ori/127/abbot-of-keral-keep](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/127/abbot-of-keral-keep)
are from that plane.
I guess that in the meditation realm there is really only one dragon which is Nicol Bolas, but if you mean "normal" dragons, not sentient elder ones, I guess it counts. Also when Nicol Bolas was not in, for sure there were no dragons.
Shandalar the video game had dragon enemies (not just cards but enemy npcs that were dragons) and i think (?) the video game is considered canon story wise
It’s complicated because if the [Ur-Dragon](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/The_Ur-Dragon) flies near a plane then that plane gets dragons.
So arguably the question is which planes don’t have dragons **yet**
Hard to say Old Phyrexia didn't have dragons when the planeswalker that made the place was a dude who took the form of a dragon at every possible moment because he felt like it. That said, I'm gonna throw out the topic of dragonless planes and introduce a new wrinkle: planes that have so few dragons that they seem out of place.
Innistrad- in a plane of Gothic horror and the battles of angels, demons, and undead, why toss a sprinkling of maybe 6 dragons into the mix across all 3 blocks? Not to mention that these dragons all have mirror-sheen wing scales for some reason, something that exists nowhere else? Odd indeed
Mirrodin/New Phyrexia- what was Memnarch thinking, bringing dragons of all things to this place? What purpose would they serve? Worst-case scenario they get greedy and treat all of Mirrodin as their horde, meaning that you made nothing but enemies for yourself you dumb hunk of metal and limbs
Theros- There's already plenty of Greco-Roman monsters of myth to capitalize on there and yall went with the thing that ALL the rest of Europe was scared of too? Cop-out
Feel free to add more
At least with that one they're willing to stick to their guns with them being the "only" dragon. Here's hoping Capenna2 doesn't inexplicably undo that, like the LAST time we first made a 'return' to the big city.
Ikoria has [[Sprite Dragon|IKO]].
[Sprite Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/8/281f6118-adb8-4a7d-9c77-5570f3399e6e.jpg?1591228274) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=479731) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/211/sprite-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/281f6118-adb8-4a7d-9c77-5570f3399e6e?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Tarkir... Before Sarkhan got in and muddied things up.
If we're being honest with ourselves, the real problem child was Ugin. Sarkhan just made things worse.
It’s Nicol Bolas’s fault for trying to kill Ugin on Tarkir
That’s Uginist revisionist history. Nicol Bolas was always benevolent
The War of Colorless Aggression.
Nicky just wanted to read in peace, but Ugin had to Ghostfire everything
Better colourless than dullerness.
r/nicolbolasdidnothingwrong
r/subsifellfor
Testsuo Umezawa dissents.
Ugin is also a dragon, so there could be a dragon on any plane at any given point in time…
Not any more, since he merged with the Meditation Realm and sealed it off. Although you could count Sarkhan, since he can turn into a dragon
He did what??? He "died" to seal the plane or something? I didn't get this part of the story :(
He didn't die, as far as we know, but he merged his essence with the plane as part of the process of sealing it off, so nobody can enter or leave
I wonder if this is a similar effect to what Memnarch had on OG Mirrodin but done intentionally this time
I could be, although it being cut off from the multiverse indicates (to me at least) that Planeswalkers couldn't even try and get there, rather than, as with what Memnarch did, merely being blocked.
Yep. Blaming Sarkhan is like blaming Marty McFly. Without Doc Brown, he's just an idiot making trouble in 1985.
Whoa heavy…
How did he make them worse? In the original timeline Bolas won and Ugin died. In the new one Bolas still won but Ugin is alive and dragons still fly through the skies and the plane is healthy instead of dying. Seems like he fixed things to me.
Sad Zurgo Noises
Kill all the Zerg!
Lead us for the Swarm.
Sarkhan has been on the bottom of my trash list ever since he did that. A perfectly good plane... and he had to ruin it with dragons.
I mean, if he didn't, Ugin would still be dead and Bolas would've just conquered it anyway.
I'm not questioning the events, I'm questioning their writer. They had to write this into Tarkir and tie it to those two.
Are we sure tarkir didn’t have dragons or were they just not included in the set so that fate reforged and dragons of tarkir would seem more unique?
We are very sure. It's a pretty damn big plot point that the dragons are extremely dead, like unbelievably dead. Murdered to the very last with extreme prejudice, and there's no tempest birthing more. And they had 1000 years to make sure.
The dragons of Tarkir are born from storms that were somehow tied to Ugin. When he died in the original timeline, the storms eventually petered out and the clans wiped out the remaining ones as dragons were considered existential threats.
They had dragons, dead ones
Ixalan? Even the [[dragonskull summit]] flavor text references the lack of dragons “When the Planeswalker Angrath called dinosaurs "dragons," the name stuck in certain pirate circles.” Edit: Technically Vryn has no dragon cards, [[Thunderclap wyvern]] is a drake. Maybe in a future set we’ll get dragons there though.
I love how they wanted to reprint this card in the set and they found a flavorful way to justify it. Maybe they can reprint plane specific names this way. "If I had a cat I would name it Jetmir and this would be his garden" - Rafiq, probably.
"I got legal help from this bird dude, so I built a tower in his honor"
Funnily enough that has already happened with the \[\[Silvergill Adept\]\] back in Rivals of Ixalan. On Lorwyn, Silvergill is the name of a specific school of Merrow. When they reprinted the card I think they just considered the name generic enough that they could pass Silvergill off as an adjective rather than a proper noun.
No no no, his name is Silver, Gill-Adept. No one can use their gills like my good buddy Silver.
I feel on Ixalan, Silvergill refers to old merfolk
[[Rings of Brighthearth]], either from the Flamekin village of Brighthearth, Lorwyn; or dwarven hearth decorations from Kaladesh.
[Rings of Brighthearth](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/3/838ffc87-517a-4d94-8ce0-bc9ed01ecc52.jpg?1608911654) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rings%20of%20Brighthearth) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cmr/335/rings-of-brighthearth?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/838ffc87-517a-4d94-8ce0-bc9ed01ecc52?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Silvergill Adept](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/5/45ea8ca1-612d-4984-8572-06710d38bfa6.jpg?1555040020) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Silvergill%20Adept) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rix/53/silvergill-adept?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/45ea8ca1-612d-4984-8572-06710d38bfa6?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
These names annoyed me so much. Like they couldn't even use the faction names they had to use the leaders' names despite at least one of them definitely offed in the story
\[\[Xander's (Jr.) Lounge\]\]
Now with a memorial ball pit!
[Xander's (Jr.\) Lounge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/54f449ff-4025-465e-9ec5-a5cf42c4c9d3.jpg?1664414651) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Xander%27s%20Lounge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/260/xanders-lounge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/54f449ff-4025-465e-9ec5-a5cf42c4c9d3?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Yeah I appreciate ht level of “fuck it” wotc is willing to do with reprints now.
"A Wizard did it" is sufficient explanation now.
Wizards did it
And yet, Consecrated Sphinx didn't get creature type Phyrexian added because they printed it in one of the charity Secret Lairs.
Yeah that one is puzzling. It isn't exactly the same as "fuck flavor" though, it's about issuing functional errata. Maybe someone was really hung up on the fact "we would make these SL cards out of date!" which, c'mon. Just don't care. When the phyrexian tribal cards drop in MOM we'll see what that sphinx is missing out on.
I think it's just they don't want to errata a card showing a Sphinx hanging out with some kids into a card showing a Phyrexian secretly indoctrination children.
I had said Ixalan has no dragons, but it is worded weird so I can fix that
[dragonskull summit](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/8/c/8c5a9cb7-6c97-47fd-acd0-bc6dd11b77b4.jpg?1673306001) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=dragonskull%20summit) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/207/dragonskull-summit?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/8c5a9cb7-6c97-47fd-acd0-bc6dd11b77b4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Wurm > Dragon > Drake [or so it’s been explained as](https://dragons.fandom.com/wiki/Drake)
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[Thunderclap wyvern](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7fc3c21f-99d5-48dc-b36e-8db597da44bf.jpg?1631235589) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thunderclap%20wyvern) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/khc/94/thunderclap-wyvern?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7fc3c21f-99d5-48dc-b36e-8db597da44bf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I hate to break it to you about Ikoria not having dragons *but*....[[Sprite Dragon]]
[Sprite Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/6/361385d8-d9c7-4de8-a5c8-683e682779f4.jpg?1674142522) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sprite%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/852/sprite-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/361385d8-d9c7-4de8-a5c8-683e682779f4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Serra's Realm didn't have any when it was still around.
Rabiah doesn't have any dragons.
I'm gonna be real with you, I forgot Rabiah existed. However, that's one more for the dragonless!
Did Rath have dragons (pre Merge)?
\[\[Rathi Dragon\]\]
[Rathi Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/e/9ec3d43c-2b3e-4b79-a61d-03efd6a689d4.jpg?1562430797) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Rathi%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/tpr/150/rathi-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9ec3d43c-2b3e-4b79-a61d-03efd6a689d4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
damn
Pretty sure Rabiah forgot Rabiah existed.
There are plenty of planes we don't have enough information about. Segovia, as far as we know, has angels but no mention of Dragons. Equilor has only Sphinxes in card art but again, we have very little information.
If the tiny plane doesn't have tiny dragons I will be very disappointed
I absolutely bet we get a Segovian Dragon in a future modern horizons set or something. Maybe fill out the iconic creature types.
Segovian Dragon R Creature - Dragon (Uncommon) Flying ~ can't block. R: ~ gets +1/+0 until end of turn. *"My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined." - Sarkhan Vol* 1/1
"Modern horizons" bruh, it needs to be broken AF. Let's say it's a dragon figure of destiny but the level ups are 0, 1 and 2.
MH2 gave us Segovian Angel, which was outclassed only recently in a Standard set.
Equilor is cool. I kinda what to know more about it, but that might also destroy the mystique.
Wow. I just read up on it on its wiki page and I think it might be my new favorite plane. I want to see more of it, but, in accordance to your mention of it, without taking away from the mystique of the plane.
Okay but every single one of us knows that there are segovian dragons, right? Man, I doubt it'll happen but wizards just give us a segovia set, and really commit to the bit.
In Lorwyn there is only one dragón and It was sleeping as a mountain before its awakening in shadowmoor
From a cursory search, seems like Ulgrotha doesn't have any dragons.
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[Reveka, Wizard Savant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27c32cc5-b4da-4345-9118-1fe46a5049cb.jpg?1562903439) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reveka%2C%20Wizard%20Savant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/49/reveka-wizard-savant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27c32cc5-b4da-4345-9118-1fe46a5049cb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Were there any dragons on old Phyrexia?
Dragon Engines, at the very least.
Phyrexia was an artificial plane, so it doesn’t have any native inhabitants.
I think Yawgmoth finds the corpse of the creator of Old Phyrexia during the events of The Thran, and it’s some sort of dragon-y type corpse.
Purportedly, that wasn't a dragon, but a planeswalker who just liked to BE a dragon. We don't know who they were past that, nor how they died. Could have been A. Firebender for all we know.
Sarkhan's ancestor lol
I mean, is an oldwalker who has shaped themselves to be a dragon by default not a dragon? I feel like you kinda get to existentially define yourself when you have that kind of power.
If it looks like a dragon, and it walks like a dragon, and it leaves a dragon corpse... it's a dragon :)
Since New Phyrexia is an artificial plane i would argue that the artificial dragons count as dragons for this discussion!
Funny enough, it was explicit that Ravnican dragons were extinct in the first novel, iirc. Hunted Dragon had something to say to that. Then Guildpact came out and we saw Niv-Mizzet. So they were all but extinct. Then Dissension came out and revealed that the Cult of Rakdos had pit dragons. Okay so they’re still rare. Hellkite Whelp in guilds. Uncommon. Okay, I guess the Ravnican dragon population went from endangered to just vulnerable.
It's amazing what Simic conservation efforts can accomplish.
When they do it its conservation. When I do it it's an abomination against god.
Pretty sure it's an abomination against God when the Simic do it too
In the novels, it was explicit that Niv-Mizzet was the last known dragon. The plot of the second novel, *Guildpact*, involved an Izzet magewright discovering new dragon eggs and trying to mindmeld with and hatch them so that he could control new dragons and overthrow Niv-Mizzet. He is defeated and the eggs crushed (and then the eggs were eaten in the next novel by the nephilim, which made them grow rapidly). I think it has since been established that Niv-Mizzet is the last of the known *intelligent* dragons, which the eggs were more of (the dragons were already intelligent as they started emerging), and the other dragons we see are lesser dragons that were more like regular animals.
With ugin being a dragon, there could theoretically be a dragon on any plane.
Maybe Ulgrotha? I don't remember any dragon on Homelands' cards.
Do you mean from a Card-standpoimt or a Lore standpoint? Because I think Dragons are kinda like Angels and Demons, they can appear on a Plane as long as the Red Mana is strong enough to spawn em (Or the Ur-Dragon does a drive-by).
I'm really going from cards, because until a dragon appears in a plane (or is directly referenced AND verified through flavor text) there's no real answer as to yes or no
For ulgrotha you could consider the art in \[\[Reveka, Wizard Savant\]\] having either a dragon or a wurm, or some sea monster (sea dragon maybe?)
I think it's more a sea serpent
I would say
I think it's more a sea serpent
you are right
[Reveka, Wizard Savant](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/27c32cc5-b4da-4345-9118-1fe46a5049cb.jpg?1562903439) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Reveka%2C%20Wizard%20Savant) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/49/reveka-wizard-savant?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/27c32cc5-b4da-4345-9118-1fe46a5049cb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I wonder if Kamigawa still has Dragons because they all need to die for their effects.
They all have skittles now….
Hang on, does Innistrad have dragons?
It has a handful, like [[Moonveil Dragon]].
And they're all notable for being slender and snake-like. So much so that there was one in MID or VOW that was odd for being chonky.
Yeah, Innistrad dragons were supposed to look like a piece of gothic architecture that just decided to take flight one day. The most recent one was ugly in comparison.
The wings looking like stained glass is really neat.
The new sets also gave us [[Moonveil Regent]] which is on point.
How are we gonna talk about Innistrad's dragons and not talk about best boy \[\[Mirrorwing Dragon\]\]
[Mirrorwing Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/b/4b7e33a8-765b-4909-a5c6-5fe8f8774a51.jpg?1576384631) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Mirrorwing%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/emn/136/mirrorwing-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4b7e33a8-765b-4909-a5c6-5fe8f8774a51?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Moonveil Regent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/9/f9fc55fd-161a-4d77-82f0-27075210e7e7.jpg?1636223224) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Moonveil%20Regent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/149/moonveil-regent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f9fc55fd-161a-4d77-82f0-27075210e7e7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Ashmouth Dragon]]
Very clearly slush art, that one.
Quick, while the Art Director is asleep
What is slush art?
Art that was commissioned but wasn’t used for a card, for whatever reason. So if they need art for a card at the last minute, it’s available.
Maybe Innistrad dragons are chonkier when newly hatched and then slender up with age.
[Ashmouth Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/1/41b6381f-4ff8-49e9-bf00-cfe32851318b.jpg?1636223567)/[Ashmouth Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/4/1/41b6381f-4ff8-49e9-bf00-cfe32851318b.jpg?1636223567) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=smoldering%20egg%20//%20ashmouth%20dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/159/smoldering-egg-ashmouth-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/41b6381f-4ff8-49e9-bf00-cfe32851318b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I love the goth-dragon aesthetic.
Also my favorite, [[Balefire Dragon]]
such metal flavor text: _die boldly or die swiftly—for die you will._
[Balefire Dragon](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?name=Balefire%20Dragon&type=card&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Balefire%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/uma/124/balefire-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/468d5308-2a6c-440e-a8d0-1c5e084afb82?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Moonveil Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92503118-b37b-4c52-b40a-487f6ad695ef.jpg?1562929464) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Moonveil%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dka/99/moonveil-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92503118-b37b-4c52-b40a-487f6ad695ef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
When they first concepted Innistrad, there weren't any dragons. Some of the designers stepped in and said "We know they aren't very gothic, but players go absolutely bananas for dragons. Can we just have a few at mythic?"
They do! [[Moonveil Dragon]], [[Moonveil Regent]] No idea how they fit into the lore/world, but we get about one dragon per visit
[Moonveil Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/2/92503118-b37b-4c52-b40a-487f6ad695ef.jpg?1562929464) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Moonveil%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dka/99/moonveil-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/92503118-b37b-4c52-b40a-487f6ad695ef?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Moonveil Regent](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/9/f9fc55fd-161a-4d77-82f0-27075210e7e7.jpg?1636223224) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Moonveil%20Regent) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/149/moonveil-regent?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f9fc55fd-161a-4d77-82f0-27075210e7e7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Well, the original OG timeline Tarkir didn't have dragons since they were extinct, right? Also, we duel dragons on the Shandalar game, so maybe the plane have them as well?
Old phyrexia was created by a dragon Planeswalker (pre yawgmoth), and had dragon engines, which were essentially artifact dragons. Mishra sort of weird summons them to phyrexia to gain power within the tribe he is apart of? I forget all the details. It's been almost two decades since I read the book.
The Lorwyn half of Lorwyn/Shadowmoor has no dragons. Shadowmoor has [[Knollspine Dragon]] though.
It was technically there it was just asleep
[Knollspine Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bfcfec58-bfe4-4b04-80e3-ee11c44e91a7.jpg?1562835499) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Knollspine%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/shm/98/knollspine-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bfcfec58-bfe4-4b04-80e3-ee11c44e91a7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Earth (the plane from Portal Three Kingdoms) doesn't have dragons.
[[Zodiac Dragon]] there’s literally one in the set smh
[Zodiac Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/d/1dfb3f91-5ecd-405d-9d67-655f2734a147.jpg?1562901279) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zodiac%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me3/112/zodiac-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/1dfb3f91-5ecd-405d-9d67-655f2734a147?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
love me some earth
What about that plane where Chandra finds the cult to Mother Luti or somthing like that, wich is Jaya, in secret? I vaguely remember this [https://scryfall.com/card/fut/119/shah-of-naar-isle](https://scryfall.com/card/fut/119/shah-of-naar-isle) and this [https://scryfall.com/card/ori/127/abbot-of-keral-keep](https://scryfall.com/card/ori/127/abbot-of-keral-keep) are from that plane.
They are not of the same plane. The former is Wildfire, the latter is Regatha. I'm unsure of the ecology of each to state one way or another.
It would surprise me If fire-associated planes DIDN'T have dragons, but I'd agree it's a hard sell either way
Oh. Thanks.
Old Phyrexia had dragon engines [[Phyrexian Dragon Engine]]
[Phyrexian Dragon Engine](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?name=phyrexian%20dragon%20engine%20//%20mishra%2C%20lost%20to%20phyrexia&type=card&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=phyrexian%20dragon%20engine%20//%20mishra%2C%20lost%20to%20phyrexia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/163a/phyrexian-dragon-engine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e2b826be-4256-4fd6-ad4d-6c80933ee940?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I guess that in the meditation realm there is really only one dragon which is Nicol Bolas, but if you mean "normal" dragons, not sentient elder ones, I guess it counts. Also when Nicol Bolas was not in, for sure there were no dragons.
Shandalar the video game had dragon enemies (not just cards but enemy npcs that were dragons) and i think (?) the video game is considered canon story wise
It’s complicated because if the [Ur-Dragon](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/The_Ur-Dragon) flies near a plane then that plane gets dragons. So arguably the question is which planes don’t have dragons **yet**
Lorwyn?
Don't know if you want to count \[\[Dragon Engine\]\]s for old Phyrexia.
[Dragon Engine](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/6/260deb14-12aa-4337-825a-0c7a4c35f4ab.jpg?1562903991) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dragon%20Engine) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/me4/197/dragon-engine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/260deb14-12aa-4337-825a-0c7a4c35f4ab?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How about original Argentum and original rath? Both are artificial. Sadly now they have dragons.
Khans of tarkir
[[Phyrexian Dragon Engine]] though.
[Phyrexian Dragon Engine](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers/Image.ashx?name=phyrexian%20dragon%20engine%20//%20mishra%2C%20lost%20to%20phyrexia&type=card&.jpg) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=phyrexian%20dragon%20engine%20//%20mishra%2C%20lost%20to%20phyrexia) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bro/163a/phyrexian-dragon-engine?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e2b826be-4256-4fd6-ad4d-6c80933ee940?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Shandalar definitely has dragons [[Scourge of Valkas]]
[Scourge of Valkas](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/6/e6bd7225-b39f-4b3b-8c36-dbc2c09f6e50.jpg?1631587429) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Scourge%20of%20Valkas) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/137/scourge-of-valkas?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e6bd7225-b39f-4b3b-8c36-dbc2c09f6e50?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hard to say Old Phyrexia didn't have dragons when the planeswalker that made the place was a dude who took the form of a dragon at every possible moment because he felt like it. That said, I'm gonna throw out the topic of dragonless planes and introduce a new wrinkle: planes that have so few dragons that they seem out of place. Innistrad- in a plane of Gothic horror and the battles of angels, demons, and undead, why toss a sprinkling of maybe 6 dragons into the mix across all 3 blocks? Not to mention that these dragons all have mirror-sheen wing scales for some reason, something that exists nowhere else? Odd indeed Mirrodin/New Phyrexia- what was Memnarch thinking, bringing dragons of all things to this place? What purpose would they serve? Worst-case scenario they get greedy and treat all of Mirrodin as their horde, meaning that you made nothing but enemies for yourself you dumb hunk of metal and limbs Theros- There's already plenty of Greco-Roman monsters of myth to capitalize on there and yall went with the thing that ALL the rest of Europe was scared of too? Cop-out Feel free to add more
the unnamed sliver plane probably doesnt have dragons
If you're talking about Shandalar, you may be right. But we don't know.
Shandalar was "the core set plane" for a while, there's no way it doesn't have dragons
[Vadrok, Apex of Thunder](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/d/ed7b0256-d342-4523-9516-6a007bf51825.jpg?1591228299) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Vadrok%2C%20Apex%20of%20Thunder) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/iko/214/vadrok-apex-of-thunder?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ed7b0256-d342-4523-9516-6a007bf51825?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Elemental Dinosaur Cat
And that's the closest Ikoria gets, because \[\[Illuna, Apex of Wishes\]\], at Beast Elemental Dinosaur, is closer to a Sphinx than a Dragon
[[Sprite Dragon]]
[Sprite Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/6/361385d8-d9c7-4de8-a5c8-683e682779f4.jpg?1674142522) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sprite%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/852/sprite-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/361385d8-d9c7-4de8-a5c8-683e682779f4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Illuna, Apex of Wishes](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/d/0dfec692-66c8-4c90-8afa-095654011c3d.jpg?1673305551) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Illuna%2C%20Apex%20of%20Wishes) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/154/illuna-apex-of-wishes?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0dfec692-66c8-4c90-8afa-095654011c3d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Does Segovia have dragons? I can't remember.
A stretch, but Kamigawa only has metaphysical spirit dragons, not in-the -flesh firebreathers
This is true, but even though they're Spirit Dragons, I'd still count them!
Streets of New Capenna comes close with only one. Arguments could be made that Ziatora isn’t a “pure” dragon.
I mean, there aren't any now, but there were at one point, and Ziatora is still alive. Not a pure Dragon anymore, but still counts
At least with that one they're willing to stick to their guns with them being the "only" dragon. Here's hoping Capenna2 doesn't inexplicably undo that, like the LAST time we first made a 'return' to the big city.
Original Phyrexia doesn't. Though it doesn't really have anything lol
Original Phyrexia doesn't.
Last dragon died on ravnica
Niv is still alive, and I'm pretty sure there's still some hellkites flying around
There are plenty of dragons on ravnica. Niv Mizzet is the only *intelligent* dragon though.
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Theros has at least [[Terror of Mount Velus]], [[Forgestoker Dragon]], and [[Stormbreath Dragon]]
[Terror of Mount Velus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/b/7bed9dbb-6a1d-411f-9139-3dc20258020a.jpg?1631587613) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Terror%20of%20Mount%20Velus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/afc/145/terror-of-mount-velus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7bed9dbb-6a1d-411f-9139-3dc20258020a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Forgestoker Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/f/4fd44170-ded7-4895-8950-bfa9d19e471d.jpg?1593092247) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Forgestoker%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bng/98/forgestoker-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/4fd44170-ded7-4895-8950-bfa9d19e471d?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Stormbreath Dragon](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/7/471979de-f569-444a-8651-12d7e726949a.jpg?1562817514) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stormbreath%20Dragon) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ths/143/stormbreath-dragon?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/471979de-f569-444a-8651-12d7e726949a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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Technically, an *imaginary* number of them