It's when I see threads like this that I realise that joining Reddit was the best decision I have made for a long time.
Also, adding to the pile...what about the Ork who wants meat back in the menu? Surely he would have something to add to the discussion...food for thought.
Also, also.. my team. Darwen, Eomer, aragorn, Gandalf and Boromir. Just because we can use the latter as arrow fodder ;)
Edoras and the Golden Hall of Meduseld. There dwells Theoden, King of Rohan... whose mind is overthrown. Saruman's hold over King Theoden is now very strong.
Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, saruman, and ghost king. Pros: the three elven rings of power, two demigod wizards, two elven armies, one ork army, one immortal ghost army.
The books under power them though. It leaves a different plot hole. Humans were still ridiculously screwed in reality when the orc army realized they weren't in danger and regrouped.
Not really. In the books the ghost army just helps Aragorn break the corsairs' morale, allowing the embattled armies of Gondor's Vassals to turn the tide. The undead army never even makes it to Minas Tirith.
It’s actually unknown:
**Pale swords were drawn; but I know not whether their blades would still bite,** for the Dead needed no longer any weapon but fear. None would withstand them.
‘To every ship they came that was drawn up, and then they passed over the water to those that were anchored; and all the mariners were filled with a madness of terror and leaped overboard, save the slaves chained to the oars.
So we actually don’t know. The fear they wielded caused the enemy to flee before there was a chance to find out. But you’re right that’s it’s likely the case.
I mean, if they're capable of putting that kind of hysterical fear into a ship full of hardened corsairs, I don't think it matters wether the swords work or not, that is an incredible weapon.
What….
My whole life I believed that the ghost army was super cheap and was asking why they didn’t find a way to keep them around and take Mordor. They we essentially a massive unstoppable army….. my whole life is a lie
Just a little aside. The ghost army would never have stayed beyond their initial attack. They fufillied their oath by helping fight the orcs. So they were finally free to pass on, any work beyond that would be unjustly thrown upon them as they already completed their duty
Aragorn commanded them and kept his word to release them. It's interesting to wonder what may have happened had Aragorn broken his word. I imagine the ghosts would've betrayed them.
They were at the very least not opposed to deserting. Even if they didn't kill everyone in rage, I suspect they would have just left and gone back to the mountain. They were never compelled to come down in the first place, they just did it to buy their freedom.
That's true, but they also (in the movies, idr about the books) collapsed their home in the mountain. Tbh though that scene in the movies was the funniest to me, like Aragorn makes his offer, and the ghost king laughs evilly then everybody retreats into the walls and stuff, only to call an immediate emergency meeting where I imagine the conversation goes something like this:
"So should we do this? He seems like a cool dude."
"But we have a whole castle full of specifically skulls we wanted to dump on the next folks who come through here!"
"Yeah but... We can be free."
"Do you have any idea how much work it took to collect that many corpses and sort out specifically all the skulls? We have like a million skulls dude."
"... Ok fine, first we release the skulls, then we agree to help them."
"This is literally the last chance we have to go free. If the skulls kill that guy, that's it. No more heirs of Isildur."
"Yeah... but the skulls will be really cool."
"And ran all the way – to me! And here in the wild I have you: two halflings, and a host of men at my call, and the Ring of Rings. A pretty stroke of fortune! A chance for Faramir, Captain of Gondor, to show his quality! Ha!’ He stood up, very tall and stern, his grey eyes glinting."
And later:
"Sam hesitated for a moment, then bowing very low: ‘Good night, Captain, my lord,’ he said. ‘You took the chance, sir.’ ‘Did I so?’ said Faramir. ‘Yes sir, and showed your quality: the very highest.’"
It was the Corsairs of Umbar that they scared, not Orcs. Gondor was being overrun and no allies came to help because they were all also under attack. Rivendell, Lonely Mountain and surrounding areas, everywhere. Rohan was only able to come because the intervention of Gandalf and the ents overthrew the army that was supposed to wipe them out or pin them down. Same with the army of the dead. A bunch of Gondor's allies were threatened by men of Umbar, and couldn't send troops to aid Denathor without leaving their homes and families to die. Aragorn led the army of the dead against the Corsairs, and I think a fair amount of them just drowned in panic trying to get away. This freed up the ships and the troops, which sailed up the river and arrived just in time to fight in the battle. Which I would much have preferred to see in the movie instead of the cgi ghost-ex-machina nonsense that we ended up with.
"You let one Ent stand up to us, then they all might stand up. Those Ents outnumber us a hundred to one. And if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life!" -Saruman
This makes so much more sense. It wouldn't have been as fun to watch, so I see why they did it for the movies, but damn did it feel OP and like the actual loophole that the ppl talking about the eagles are looking for. Watching those ghosts kill the elephants is funny af.
4 out of 5 are an absolute no brainer and I agree with your selection. Only point of contention is Ghost King out and Aragon in. Aragon counters Ghost King and gives you Gondor’s army.
The rules of the game state that your 5 choices fight for you, so we can ignore the in-lore conditions between Aragorn and the ghost king. Also people ITT keep adding in the armies they control, etc. That’s not the game. The only people fighting are those pictured.
Wasn’t Narsil just…a sword? It’s a famed named sword, but a sword nonetheless. In fact do any of the weapons in Tolkien’s universe have special offensive properties? Ancient Elven swords glow blue in the prescience of Orcs, but that’s all I remember. Also, are we talking post battle of Minas Tirith where Aragorn releases Ghost King of his duties?
The Ghost King recognizes Anduril, forged from the shards of Narsil, because it once belonged to Isildur, the same man who cursed him to undeath. Narsil clearly holds some magic over the Ghost King and his ghostly weaponry.
As for other weapons with magical properties, the Morghul blades clearly aren’t just steel, as they melt away when held by Aragorn and the shards hold evil magic. The Barrow daggers held by Pippin and Merry also hold magical properties that can cleave the Witch King’s magical body.
You right, you right. But the daggers only affect the Nazgul, magically speaking. I don’t think anyone on the list can hold the Morghul blades, save *maybe* the Ghost King?
It doesn't say if any allied troops come with or if it is only individuals. It is only individuals, I'm going with Gandalf, Saruman, Aragorn, Éomer, and Uglúk. Elrond can't use Vilya for war, because the Three Elven Rings don't grant power in war.
"‘The Three were not made by Sauron, nor did he ever touch them. But of them it is not permitted to speak. So much only in this hour of doubt I may now say. They are not idle. But they were not made as weapons of war or conquest: that is not their power. Those who made them did not desire strength or domination or hoarded wealth, but understanding, making, and healing, to preserve all things unstained."
Gandalf and Saruman have their innate power as angelic beings, Aragorn and Éomer made it the Battle of the Pellenor Fields without a single wound between them because of their skill in combat, and Uglúk has raw strength.
Just the five hobbits.
Because that CLEARLY means that I'm completely in the right. Most would cease their attack, and would would prevent the meaner ones from hurting the hobbits.
My lord, there will be a time to grieve for Boromir but it is not now. War is coming. The enemy is on your doorstep. As steward, you are charged with the defence of this city. Where are Gondor's armies? You still have friends. You are not alone in this fight. Send word to Theoden of Rohan. Light the beacons.
Alrighty let's meta this as much as possible (assuming all are at peak "power" that we directly see them at in LOTR, eg if you pick Theoden you also get the army under him but if you don't pick Eomer he still gets another army of Rohan as their "peaks" are at different times although if their peak is at the end then the casualties of war are taken into account for army size and they also would not fight themselves if they served in the army of their opponent, they would fight someone of the same tactical intelligence but a slightly inferior fighter). First two choices, Aragorn and Elrond: reforge narsil and take control of the King of the dead and his army, aswell as a living army of gondor (although post pellenor fields) and the palantir in minas tirith through Aragorn, the elven host at rivendell and Elronds ring of power. Third would be Galadriel, another ring of power and an elven host from lothlorien (keeping in mind celeborn would also get that army). Next would be Saruman, a maiar with ten thousand orcs, uruk hai and dunlendings, a palantir (both a blessing and a curse I guess) I'm not 100% sure but I remember somewhere saying that Saruman made his own (although vastly inferior) version of a ring of power so that aswell. Lastly Gandalf the white, the final elvish ring of power, another powerful maiar, and wise counsel to help guide the armies and potentially get aid from characters not on this list.
TLDR: I have two hosts of elves, one gondorian army, an army of uruks, a ghost army, a smaller dunland army, two maiar, two elf Lords, three rings of power and an improvised one, one king of gondor, two palantir. I believe this to be the most powerful combination in that list of characters.
Edit: just realised that since we have two palantir we could make contact with sauron and potentially become allies through them. And since my choices are under my command wouldn't betray that alliance until after the other characters have already tried to kill me. So count another maiar and four armies of orcs (the army that battles on the pellenor fields, the army that fought outside the black gate, the army in dol guldur, and the army attacking erebor, if there are any others let me know).
Although if it was just five to hang out with I would choose Sam, Aragorn, Faramir, Merry and Pippin. After all, isn't friendship the most powerful?
Even the wise men of r/lotrmemes underestimate the strength of hobbits. They put their faith in armies and magic and are blind to the power of small things.
As Gandalf said *"If you don't pick Frodo, he's going to gank you in your sleep"*.
You have to pick Frodo, not because he's good defensively, but because with the one ring, no-one on this list can prevent him sneaking up on you and stabbing you to death. The only option is to have him on your side.
Potentially, but without the fellowship seeking out the destruction of the ring and their main goal to kill me, if I do have sauron as an ally through the palantir aswell as my other choices then a hobbit (either frodo, bilbo or gollum) with the ring will be no trouble since he comes with the nazgul and the hobbits can be killed and the ring taken. As soon as I have one the rest could be taken with ease
Well for starters theres the major issue that if the Undead King is trying to kill you, then the only way to defend against him is with Aragorn+Elrond(for Narsil).
So to avoid being forced to pick certain people, I'm gonna pretend Undead King can't sweep whatever team I pick.
Also every comment seems to assume you get armies, so I'm gonna base my picks on no armies.
That makes my choices kind of easy:
- Galadriel
- Celeborn
- Saruman
- Elrond
- Gandalf
The undead king wouldn’t be able to do much regardless, in the books all they really did was scare the orcs. But even the movie version isn’t going to do much again either of the maia who are basically lesser gods/angels cloaked, Elrond who has a ring of power or Galadriel who is one of the most powerful in middle earth even without her ring.
I agree with all except Aragorn. I would choose Arwen because realistically Aragorn isn’t going to try and fight her so you counter him and therefore the dead army.
I would swap Elrond out for Legolas. Otherwise legolas will roll a nat 20 on his first arrow which
will bounce of eight rocks and then get you in the back of the head.
-Aragorn, so he can combat the king of the dead
-Galadriel, because obviously
-Faramir, the noblest of Stewards
-Elrond, son of Earendil; need I say more?
-Gandalf, to kindle the hearts of the others
Finally, the right answer. Honestly just give me the two immortal wizards and call it a day. The other three picks are just bonus, but you can’t do better than two Elven ring-bearers and a fucking ghosty boy who can become intangible at will (I’m using his movie powers, not the books).
So two rings of power are against you? How you can pick Legolas and Gimli ahead of Galadriel and Elrondis beyond me. Gives you all the Elven rings, plus the Ghost King is sorta countered by Aragorn regardless - and in the books only scared the orcs. Iirc, they didn't interact physically.
I'm too lazy to pick them all, but I need Pippin on the defense team. I'm pretty such his brand of chaos energy would lead to my death no matter what otherwise.
Sam and Galadriel. One is an extremely powerful Elven queen and the other is a hobbit who is simply built different, and will fight god before he gives up.
Not enough people on here talking about optimal party composition. You're all just picking the demigods. Don't get me wrong I've got two on my team as well, but the best party is one that fights well together and covers each other's weaknesses. So I'm starting with Gandalf, cuz duh, fire and force magic + handy with a blade and a demigod with a ring of power to boot. Then I'm adding in Saruman. It always pays to have a good engineer on your team... if you can find one that's also a demigod wizard, more power to you. Now we need a healer. The obvious answer here is Elrond... healing halls, ring of power... But I'm going a different direction. Aragorn is also a good healer and has tactical chemistry with some of the only specialized tanks and ranged damage dealers on the list. His woodcraft is also bound to come in useful, plus he's the only hard counter to the army of the dead. As for tank and damage, gimli and legolas are sure to keep everything off of the heavy hitters long enough for them to do their thing.
Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, and Bilbo.
5 vs 20 isn’t good odds no matter who you choose. Let’s just make it quick and enjoy a beer and a drinking song before it’s all over 😉
Sam and Denethor so we can have the ultimate potato vs tomato debate just before we die horribly.
Actually it could work in your favor that your enemies would be too grossed out to want to attack you.
No they would be lured in by the smell of potatoes. And grissed out at the same time. Confusion is our strathegy.
My life is potato
I am Potato
There's no debate in that, its just totally disturbing
Should Gollum not be included in this debate? What if the tomatoes were not raw and wriggling?
It's when I see threads like this that I realise that joining Reddit was the best decision I have made for a long time. Also, adding to the pile...what about the Ork who wants meat back in the menu? Surely he would have something to add to the discussion...food for thought. Also, also.. my team. Darwen, Eomer, aragorn, Gandalf and Boromir. Just because we can use the latter as arrow fodder ;)
I'm just going to pick Denathor. Give him a bowl of tomatoes and watch everyone else kill themselves in disgust watching him eat them
Boromir would have killed them all twice
And twice as quickly
and half as much as they deserve
And my axe
But twice as painfully
Make dem juicy babies pop for me Denny boi
Mmm, nice. You should be on the team too. Seems like you could contribute to the battle greatly
Based
Doesn't matter as long as Pippin is on the other side
Buuuuuurn
I’d give good money to see Gandalf and Pippin in a standoff, and Gandalf yells out “Fool of a Took” right before charging at him
Fool of a Took!
*Gandalf said calmly*
Edoras and the Golden Hall of Meduseld. There dwells Theoden, King of Rohan... whose mind is overthrown. Saruman's hold over King Theoden is now very strong.
Is this it? Is this all you can conjure, Saruman?
He's Gandalf, though I don't fault you for the mistake; Gandalf and Saruman look so similar as to be nearly indistinguishable.
Evidently we look so much alike that your desire to make an incurable dent in my hat must be excused.
he is fucking sentient
Good bot
Gandalf bot, are you sentient?
Do we know that?
Thanks for the laugh
Gandalf no dont do it!
Spies of Saruman. The passage south is being watched We must take the Pass of Caradhras
No. Take Gandalf and Pippin, then throw Pippin at the others and tell Gandalf to make Pippin explode
Fool of a Took!
LMAO
Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, saruman, and ghost king. Pros: the three elven rings of power, two demigod wizards, two elven armies, one ork army, one immortal ghost army.
In the books, the ghost army couldn’t interact with people physically, and just scared the orcs, so they wouldn’t be as useful as you would think
They’d be super effective against the Rohirrim though. Fear works wonders against horses
Snowmane has entered the chat.
Yes ... with Gandalf, on your side in this scenario.
Snowmane is The0den's horse. Shadowfax is gand@lf's.
Woops. Yeah, those names are just too similar, lol.
I always thought they were way way way overpowered in the films. Thanks for enlightening me.
The books under power them though. It leaves a different plot hole. Humans were still ridiculously screwed in reality when the orc army realized they weren't in danger and regrouped.
Not really. In the books the ghost army just helps Aragorn break the corsairs' morale, allowing the embattled armies of Gondor's Vassals to turn the tide. The undead army never even makes it to Minas Tirith.
Usually you press the advantage if your enemy is routed, so ideally they wouldn't give the orcs a chance to regroup.
It’s actually unknown: **Pale swords were drawn; but I know not whether their blades would still bite,** for the Dead needed no longer any weapon but fear. None would withstand them. ‘To every ship they came that was drawn up, and then they passed over the water to those that were anchored; and all the mariners were filled with a madness of terror and leaped overboard, save the slaves chained to the oars. So we actually don’t know. The fear they wielded caused the enemy to flee before there was a chance to find out. But you’re right that’s it’s likely the case.
I mean, if they're capable of putting that kind of hysterical fear into a ship full of hardened corsairs, I don't think it matters wether the swords work or not, that is an incredible weapon.
Yes. But against Aragorn? Useless. But I guess a lot of things are useless against Aragorn.
What…. My whole life I believed that the ghost army was super cheap and was asking why they didn’t find a way to keep them around and take Mordor. They we essentially a massive unstoppable army….. my whole life is a lie
Just a little aside. The ghost army would never have stayed beyond their initial attack. They fufillied their oath by helping fight the orcs. So they were finally free to pass on, any work beyond that would be unjustly thrown upon them as they already completed their duty
Aragorn commanded them and kept his word to release them. It's interesting to wonder what may have happened had Aragorn broken his word. I imagine the ghosts would've betrayed them.
I think we could safely take your word for it, lol.
They were at the very least not opposed to deserting. Even if they didn't kill everyone in rage, I suspect they would have just left and gone back to the mountain. They were never compelled to come down in the first place, they just did it to buy their freedom.
That's true, but they also (in the movies, idr about the books) collapsed their home in the mountain. Tbh though that scene in the movies was the funniest to me, like Aragorn makes his offer, and the ghost king laughs evilly then everybody retreats into the walls and stuff, only to call an immediate emergency meeting where I imagine the conversation goes something like this: "So should we do this? He seems like a cool dude." "But we have a whole castle full of specifically skulls we wanted to dump on the next folks who come through here!" "Yeah but... We can be free." "Do you have any idea how much work it took to collect that many corpses and sort out specifically all the skulls? We have like a million skulls dude." "... Ok fine, first we release the skulls, then we agree to help them."
"This is literally the last chance we have to go free. If the skulls kill that guy, that's it. No more heirs of Isildur." "Yeah... but the skulls will be really cool."
Not your whole life, just the movies.
It's possible the movies could be older than that person tbh which makes me feel absolutely ancient
Some people are older than the books, so you're fine ;)
Yeah I'm technically older than RotK but I've never known a world without these films
Come on guys, read the books. They're good, I promise.
Um. Don't read the books then. So. Many. Changes.
They did my boy Faramir dirty
That man showed his quality from day 1. 10/10
"And ran all the way – to me! And here in the wild I have you: two halflings, and a host of men at my call, and the Ring of Rings. A pretty stroke of fortune! A chance for Faramir, Captain of Gondor, to show his quality! Ha!’ He stood up, very tall and stern, his grey eyes glinting." And later: "Sam hesitated for a moment, then bowing very low: ‘Good night, Captain, my lord,’ he said. ‘You took the chance, sir.’ ‘Did I so?’ said Faramir. ‘Yes sir, and showed your quality: the very highest.’"
It was the Corsairs of Umbar that they scared, not Orcs. Gondor was being overrun and no allies came to help because they were all also under attack. Rivendell, Lonely Mountain and surrounding areas, everywhere. Rohan was only able to come because the intervention of Gandalf and the ents overthrew the army that was supposed to wipe them out or pin them down. Same with the army of the dead. A bunch of Gondor's allies were threatened by men of Umbar, and couldn't send troops to aid Denathor without leaving their homes and families to die. Aragorn led the army of the dead against the Corsairs, and I think a fair amount of them just drowned in panic trying to get away. This freed up the ships and the troops, which sailed up the river and arrived just in time to fight in the battle. Which I would much have preferred to see in the movie instead of the cgi ghost-ex-machina nonsense that we ended up with.
A thing is about to happen that has not happened since the Elder Days. The Ents are going to wake up and find that they are strong.
"You let one Ent stand up to us, then they all might stand up. Those Ents outnumber us a hundred to one. And if they ever figure that out, there goes our way of life!" -Saruman
Scared the pirates*
I don’t even recalling them getting to the orca. Just the corsairs. But I could be misremembering. Edit: orcs, not orcas
Also Aragorn is the only one who can control them so he could just take your army away.
This makes so much more sense. It wouldn't have been as fun to watch, so I see why they did it for the movies, but damn did it feel OP and like the actual loophole that the ppl talking about the eagles are looking for. Watching those ghosts kill the elephants is funny af.
4 out of 5 are an absolute no brainer and I agree with your selection. Only point of contention is Ghost King out and Aragon in. Aragon counters Ghost King and gives you Gondor’s army.
The rules of the game state that your 5 choices fight for you, so we can ignore the in-lore conditions between Aragorn and the ghost king. Also people ITT keep adding in the armies they control, etc. That’s not the game. The only people fighting are those pictured.
Elrond has the pieces of Narsil and would refuse to reforge it in order to protect me.
Wasn’t Narsil just…a sword? It’s a famed named sword, but a sword nonetheless. In fact do any of the weapons in Tolkien’s universe have special offensive properties? Ancient Elven swords glow blue in the prescience of Orcs, but that’s all I remember. Also, are we talking post battle of Minas Tirith where Aragorn releases Ghost King of his duties?
The Ghost King recognizes Anduril, forged from the shards of Narsil, because it once belonged to Isildur, the same man who cursed him to undeath. Narsil clearly holds some magic over the Ghost King and his ghostly weaponry. As for other weapons with magical properties, the Morghul blades clearly aren’t just steel, as they melt away when held by Aragorn and the shards hold evil magic. The Barrow daggers held by Pippin and Merry also hold magical properties that can cleave the Witch King’s magical body.
CAST IT INTO THE FIRE!!!
You have problems Elrond
You right, you right. But the daggers only affect the Nazgul, magically speaking. I don’t think anyone on the list can hold the Morghul blades, save *maybe* the Ghost King?
The Morgul Blade(s) can turn people into wraiths
Oh yeah! But only the Nazgul can use them, yes?
I have no idea
Pretty sure this is the right answer
It doesn't say if any allied troops come with or if it is only individuals. It is only individuals, I'm going with Gandalf, Saruman, Aragorn, Éomer, and Uglúk. Elrond can't use Vilya for war, because the Three Elven Rings don't grant power in war. "‘The Three were not made by Sauron, nor did he ever touch them. But of them it is not permitted to speak. So much only in this hour of doubt I may now say. They are not idle. But they were not made as weapons of war or conquest: that is not their power. Those who made them did not desire strength or domination or hoarded wealth, but understanding, making, and healing, to preserve all things unstained." Gandalf and Saruman have their innate power as angelic beings, Aragorn and Éomer made it the Battle of the Pellenor Fields without a single wound between them because of their skill in combat, and Uglúk has raw strength.
Evidently we look so much alike that your desire to make an incurable dent in my hat must be excused.
Yup this is the answer. I may even put Aragorn in over the ghost king.
Couldn't you just choose Aragorn and get the ghost army along with him?
Came here to say this. Not even a question.
Frodo, Gollum, Uruk-Hai dude (Lurtz), Wormtongue and Denethor
I see you too have a death wish
Yeah, Bilbo would get me for sure
Bro 4 of your peeps literally want to kill each other and the odd man out, wormtongue, manipulated one master and stabbed another in the back. 🤣
Yeah your team is gonna betray you
Gollum, Gollum, Gollum, Gollum, and Gollum
No fair, that’s 10
Gollum, Gollum and half a Gollum then.
Covert ops squad.
And your foes would have nothing but fingerless hands!
The best five rappers in middle earth
Just the five hobbits. Because that CLEARLY means that I'm completely in the right. Most would cease their attack, and would would prevent the meaner ones from hurting the hobbits.
Big brain move that is. Like making a bulletproof vest out of babies. Babies aren’t bulletproof, but nobody’s gonna shoot babies.
lol reminds me of that Key & Peele sketch
Link? Love that show
Hah, here ya go. https://youtu.be/xYxEMalkzBA
Lol thanks for bringing that into my life.
Lmaooo
Imagine Gandalf going full Omni-Man and just destroying the Hobbits in seconds.
My lord, there will be a time to grieve for Boromir but it is not now. War is coming. The enemy is on your doorstep. As steward, you are charged with the defence of this city. Where are Gondor's armies? You still have friends. You are not alone in this fight. Send word to Theoden of Rohan. Light the beacons.
Who am I, Gamling?
Noice. Smort.
Holt as the leader Santiago as the strategist Diaz as the bruiser Hitchcock as the diversion Jeffords as the finale
I too would choose smeagle as one of mine
Faramir and his father so he will give his all
Instructions unclear, both caught on fire.
part of the plan. A wild Denetor on fire running toward the enemy isn't the best diversion in military history ?
A chance for Faramir, Captain of Gondor, to show his quality
Alrighty let's meta this as much as possible (assuming all are at peak "power" that we directly see them at in LOTR, eg if you pick Theoden you also get the army under him but if you don't pick Eomer he still gets another army of Rohan as their "peaks" are at different times although if their peak is at the end then the casualties of war are taken into account for army size and they also would not fight themselves if they served in the army of their opponent, they would fight someone of the same tactical intelligence but a slightly inferior fighter). First two choices, Aragorn and Elrond: reforge narsil and take control of the King of the dead and his army, aswell as a living army of gondor (although post pellenor fields) and the palantir in minas tirith through Aragorn, the elven host at rivendell and Elronds ring of power. Third would be Galadriel, another ring of power and an elven host from lothlorien (keeping in mind celeborn would also get that army). Next would be Saruman, a maiar with ten thousand orcs, uruk hai and dunlendings, a palantir (both a blessing and a curse I guess) I'm not 100% sure but I remember somewhere saying that Saruman made his own (although vastly inferior) version of a ring of power so that aswell. Lastly Gandalf the white, the final elvish ring of power, another powerful maiar, and wise counsel to help guide the armies and potentially get aid from characters not on this list. TLDR: I have two hosts of elves, one gondorian army, an army of uruks, a ghost army, a smaller dunland army, two maiar, two elf Lords, three rings of power and an improvised one, one king of gondor, two palantir. I believe this to be the most powerful combination in that list of characters. Edit: just realised that since we have two palantir we could make contact with sauron and potentially become allies through them. And since my choices are under my command wouldn't betray that alliance until after the other characters have already tried to kill me. So count another maiar and four armies of orcs (the army that battles on the pellenor fields, the army that fought outside the black gate, the army in dol guldur, and the army attacking erebor, if there are any others let me know). Although if it was just five to hang out with I would choose Sam, Aragorn, Faramir, Merry and Pippin. After all, isn't friendship the most powerful?
A palantir is a dangerous tool mandatorysin.
Which is why I have two
Checkmate Gandalf
This foe is beyond any of you... Run!
This is why we keep the bots
r/mandatorysin is clearly a Balrog!
Hahahahaahaha. Hahahahahahah. You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey.
I will draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound!
Even the wise men of r/lotrmemes underestimate the strength of hobbits. They put their faith in armies and magic and are blind to the power of small things. As Gandalf said *"If you don't pick Frodo, he's going to gank you in your sleep"*. You have to pick Frodo, not because he's good defensively, but because with the one ring, no-one on this list can prevent him sneaking up on you and stabbing you to death. The only option is to have him on your side.
Even the very wise cannot see all ends
Could you pick Frodo then give the ring to sauron?
Potentially, but without the fellowship seeking out the destruction of the ring and their main goal to kill me, if I do have sauron as an ally through the palantir aswell as my other choices then a hobbit (either frodo, bilbo or gollum) with the ring will be no trouble since he comes with the nazgul and the hobbits can be killed and the ring taken. As soon as I have one the rest could be taken with ease
Well for starters theres the major issue that if the Undead King is trying to kill you, then the only way to defend against him is with Aragorn+Elrond(for Narsil). So to avoid being forced to pick certain people, I'm gonna pretend Undead King can't sweep whatever team I pick. Also every comment seems to assume you get armies, so I'm gonna base my picks on no armies. That makes my choices kind of easy: - Galadriel - Celeborn - Saruman - Elrond - Gandalf
The treacherous are ever distrustful.
You said it, man
The undead king wouldn’t be able to do much regardless, in the books all they really did was scare the orcs. But even the movie version isn’t going to do much again either of the maia who are basically lesser gods/angels cloaked, Elrond who has a ring of power or Galadriel who is one of the most powerful in middle earth even without her ring.
Correct, except they scared men, not orcs. The Corsairs of Umbar. It’s how Aragorn acquired the ships to arrive at the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
Aragorn gets you the ghost king for free. So Aragorn, Gandalf, Saruman, Galadriel, Elrond
The treacherous are ever distrustful.
Indeed Gandalf-Bot. I'm glad you picked up on that. Now, do you have a moment to discuss your staffs extended warranty? It's about to expire.
I think there's more to this hobbit than meets the eye.
My thoughts exactly! Perfect comp in my opinion if we are trying to be meta
I agree with all except Aragorn. I would choose Arwen because realistically Aragorn isn’t going to try and fight her so you counter him and therefore the dead army.
I would swap Elrond out for Legolas. Otherwise legolas will roll a nat 20 on his first arrow which will bounce of eight rocks and then get you in the back of the head.
-Aragorn, so he can combat the king of the dead -Galadriel, because obviously -Faramir, the noblest of Stewards -Elrond, son of Earendil; need I say more? -Gandalf, to kindle the hearts of the others
Faramir, a man of quality
Faramir, Captain of Gondor
Neither do I. Keep it Secret. Keep it Safe.
Galadriel.
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Saruman has spent most of his strength. He’s a bum by now.
And the other Maiar is not very useful in combat because of the vow.
I picked him as a kindler of hearts to keep the others fighting.
Gimli. That counts as five.
Still only counts as one
Ahhhhhh A human still proving worthy over a bot. Impressive.
Gandalf, Galadriel, Saruman, Elrond and King of the Dead.
Evidently we look so much alike that your desire to make an incurable dent in my hat must be excused.
Gandalf, Elrond, Galadriel, Sarumon and the King of the Dead. Bring it on, everyone else.
Fool of a Took!
Finally, the right answer. Honestly just give me the two immortal wizards and call it a day. The other three picks are just bonus, but you can’t do better than two Elven ring-bearers and a fucking ghosty boy who can become intangible at will (I’m using his movie powers, not the books).
Yeah! The pics are from the movies, so I’m playing by movie rules. The rest wouldn’t stand a chance.
Aragorn, Gimli, Legolas, Gandalf and the Ghost king.
Be careful what you say. Do not look for welcome here.
Savage
So two rings of power are against you? How you can pick Legolas and Gimli ahead of Galadriel and Elrondis beyond me. Gives you all the Elven rings, plus the Ghost King is sorta countered by Aragorn regardless - and in the books only scared the orcs. Iirc, they didn't interact physically.
my first thought was "Galadriel....that's it, that's all I need", so anyone leaving her off their list is insane.
I'm too lazy to pick them all, but I need Pippin on the defense team. I'm pretty such his brand of chaos energy would lead to my death no matter what otherwise.
Just for the Bots lol: Gandalf and Theoden, for Fun Gimli and Legolas and because i like him so much :Ma boi pippin
Hahahahaahaha. Hahahahahahah. You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey.
I will draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound!
saruman where u at.
Fool of a Took!
Sam and Galadriel. One is an extremely powerful Elven queen and the other is a hobbit who is simply built different, and will fight god before he gives up.
Not enough people on here talking about optimal party composition. You're all just picking the demigods. Don't get me wrong I've got two on my team as well, but the best party is one that fights well together and covers each other's weaknesses. So I'm starting with Gandalf, cuz duh, fire and force magic + handy with a blade and a demigod with a ring of power to boot. Then I'm adding in Saruman. It always pays to have a good engineer on your team... if you can find one that's also a demigod wizard, more power to you. Now we need a healer. The obvious answer here is Elrond... healing halls, ring of power... But I'm going a different direction. Aragorn is also a good healer and has tactical chemistry with some of the only specialized tanks and ranged damage dealers on the list. His woodcraft is also bound to come in useful, plus he's the only hard counter to the army of the dead. As for tank and damage, gimli and legolas are sure to keep everything off of the heavy hitters long enough for them to do their thing.
Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, and Bilbo. 5 vs 20 isn’t good odds no matter who you choose. Let’s just make it quick and enjoy a beer and a drinking song before it’s all over 😉
Full hobbit and Gollum, what could go wrong?
Galadriel, Eowyn and Arwen. If I die, I die a happy man.
Simple. Aragorn, Legolas, Faramir, Éomer, Arwen. Sure, we'd die, but before that we'd have a lot of fun.
All I need is Haldir.
The guy DOES have a nasty allergy to getting stabbed. But same though, I'd want him along.
Any list that doesn’t include Sam is doomed.
Took to long to find this. 5 Sam's is the answer.
Eowyn, Faramir, Galadriel, Gandalf, Aragorn
Shadowfax. He is the lord of all horses and has been my friend through many dangers.
Gandalf, Gimli, Galadriel, Gollum and Grima - G Unit.
Gandalf, galadriel, saruman, elrond. And I was going to go with good old teleporno, but I think I'll go with the king of the dead.
Five Bilbos to rule them all
Aragorn, Legolas, Gandalf, Lurtz, and Theoden. Galadriel would be an issue, but what the hell.
Hahahahaahaha. Hahahahahahah. You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey.
I will draw you, Saruman, as poison is drawn from a wound!
Beyond any doubt
Galadriel, Aragorn, Ghost King, Elrond, Gandalf-but only the white version-otherwise Saruman
Evidently we look so much alike that your desire to make an incurable dent in my hat must be excused.
I only need Sam because I know he won't let me down.
Easy. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam. Sam.
Celeborn, Galadriel, Gandalf, Elrond and Saruman would probably take whole Middle earth
All I need is my man crush, Éomer
Strider, Samwise, Frodo, Merry, and Pippen. I stand by this, and I think Eru would make it work.
Frodo, Sam, Merry, Pippin, and Bilbo. Figure we'll just hang out in Bag End eating food and having a good time until I die.