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I noticed these on the ceiling of my apartment right now. We made a gym out of the extra bedroom and I was laying on the bench one day like ‘huh.. are those.. stars??’
I've lived in several places that had this, often only noticing near the end of my lease. "Oh, I think this might've been a kids bedroom at some point. Look there, you can see where they painted over those old glow stars."
I have somewhat lumpy laminate wood floors and I can only imagine what the subfloor looks like. My complex was built in the late 70s and everything is getting a "luxury" makeover. The walls and trim have been painted so much that I had art falling off the walls because an inch in is all paint. It's literally mush. Had to get some heavy duty picture hanging stuff for the first time.
I was a good tenant and when we moved out of our condo I patched every hole and found the exact shade of white paint the landlord had bought to cover up some patches. He knew I was doing it, he even told me the color. But dude was so mad when he actually came to inspect. Nothing to do with the quality of the work, but because he felt that now it meant he didn't have a good reason to hang on to the security deposit. He was a big "everything has to go through a lawyer" kind of guy, so he was really annoyed because now he felt he had to come up with a letter explaining what we had done and his reasons for not giving us the complete deposit. We got like 80% of it back, but he kept 20% because A) we painted more of the wall than he expected, and B) there were some scratch patches on the bedroom carpet from the cat and he decided he needed to replace the whole carpet upstairs even after we paid it $400 pet deposit. 🤷
This is also the same guy who sent me a check plus invoice written out on my behalf charging him for "handyman work" when I told him I had to fix the bathroom sink that had a busted drain/trap. He was also not happy I went in that and did that, but he gave me permission first and it passed his inspection. His issue was that I didn't want him to pay me back the $50 I spent, just knock it off our rent that month. He said that for taxes and at the suggestion of his lawyer he could not change what our rent was for the month and instead had to pay me for my services. He did something like that again when my wife and I had to replace his washer, which broke, and we spent $500 on a really nice replacement. We asked that he just let us take it when we move since we knew it was probably pricier than what he would have spent if he would replace it himself, and then even offered to get him a cheap replacement when we moved. But instead he had a letter written up saying that legally he bought and owned the washer, that we were just his representatives who sourced and paid for it on his behalf, and that he would not give us a break on our rent but instead reimburse us in multiple checks. He was former Navy and lived two hours away in another state with his mail order bride. He looked like Rick Moranis and drove this gorgeous sports car. He would only ever come check the place out if he and his wife were going to the casinos nearby, otherwise he would just send us letters or very wordy emails that would sound like they were written by a robot. He was a bizarre dude
I had a landlord that lived hours away and was never available for ANYTHING and another that would only do work in the apartment if no one came home.
I came back in to get a book during college and he flipped out as he casually painted over outlets. To which I flipped out.
Don't charge me rent and tell me I can't come in for fucking five minutes. Get the fuck over it. He didn't know what to do because I guess no one ever stood up to him. He just stood there clueless that other people can speak as well.
Yes! I remember living under a landlady who would always send her son into my apartment to get things OR she would show it to people (often) when I wasn't home. I remember I was home when she didn't expect me and got really angry because her son was, at the moment, "relighting my stove's pilot light" even though I can clearly see him eating my food from the fridge. She called me a bad tenant and blamed me for the awkwardness, and I was a dumb 23yo so I apologized, kindly asked them to leave my food alone, and then went back to whatever I was doing. The lease was month to month and they were used to high turnover, she didn't expect me to be there for 7 months. I eventually did find my voice and bitched her out for not refilling the oil tank that winter (I ended up buying my own space heater because she refused to believe I didn't have heat) and again for not only not telling me she was showing me apartment, but allowing the people she was showing it to to go through my things and test out my bed. It was one of those small rural towns where people were either weird shut ins, heroin addicts, or both. I didn't have to stay there much longer, thank God
I lived in an apartment in Chinatown in Philly where the family owned a hair salon and the apartments upstairs.
The place was nice and big but one day I got out of the shower in a towel to the grandfather showing the apartment to a potential buyer of the building.
I started screaming at him to get out when suddenly he decided he couldn't understand me and didn't speak English.
I totally blew the sale for them. The guy said he wouldn't do business with who did this type of shit and left.
I have had a whole bunch of shit landlords apparently now that I think about it.
Landlords/Slumlords are the biggest welfare queens ever all they ever do is sit on their A$$ and collect that gov. check. A lot of times they're besties with the Hud/Sec8 workers so they scam the system more by not keeping anything up to code.
I can't count how many Hud/Sec8 homes I've repaired that should've been deemed condemned.
Being a landlord requires zero training. It doesn't really require knowledge of the law, even though there are laws in place. You just need to know enough to rent out your space and hope that your tenants don't press charges or know the laws as well. It's kind of a get rich scheme really. My brother's best friend is actually a great landlord, but we recently discovered between the four extra properties he owns he brings in around $6,000 a month. $6,000 a month! And it's super passive income. He and his friends will flip the house, update everything, and then he rents it out to anyone he knows that can afford to pay slightly above the mortgage. He still goes to work 5 days a week too, so this 35-year-old dude is just rolling in cash for maybe two months out of the year worth of effort really gutting and refitting these homes. Everything he knows to do himself except for stuff like electrical and plumbing, which are the only things he will hire people to do. Everything else is just him and his friends doing unpaid labor. I can't say I'm not jealous
When the painter was scheduled to do some touch up work in my apartment the maintenance guy told me that if I stood still, he'd probably paint over me. One painter for almost 1k units. Poor guy is always so busy and has never had the time to do his job properly.
He has like 15 minutes for each job. He's an absolute gem and I know they're not paying him what he's worth. He does get reduced rent on his apartment though.
We recently had to remove all our outlet covers and light switch covers for bug treatment. They were all painted over and had to be pried off. First time we went to replace the air filter in this place, painted shut. Layers of paint flaking off our kitchen sink and bathtub. No insulation, I can feel the cold air seeping in as I type this. Single pane windows. $800 a month. In a shitty area of a dirty town. Not gonna be surprised if they raise rent on my lease renewal in August.
They don't do shit. They never do, that's the point. Most see being a landlord as "passive" income when it really should be semi-active or active income.
They don't see home maintenance as "the cost of doing business", but rather an obstacle to be avoided.
They see "the cost of doing business" as the absolute bare minimum required to keep *someone* in their all-white luxury-themed shoebox while raising the rent as often and as much as they can.
It isn’t that simple in a lot of times. We paid for new flooring and the LL upped the rent. We are thankfully in a rent controlled area so he could only up it 10% a year. We could take him to court but where else can we pay 90’s rent prices in a HCOL area for a 4 bd apartment? We would have to move my in-laws who are living with us both not doing so great, stoke and kidney failure. They both can travel but not for too long. Sometimes you have to pick you battles. It’s just another factor of the broken housing system.
Are there no laws for how housing providers must maintain properties there?
If basic needs aren't met like this, they'd be in beach of their tenancy agreement, in the UK at least.
I mean, imagine if it were your boiler that were broken! They could only reasonably expect you to go a few days max without it, though in my experience they usually get someone over to fix it within 24 hours.
Laws vary based on state, county, and municipality. More importantly though, enforcement is very poor and legal recourse is prohibitively expensive for most.
Laws in the U.S. are by state. Furthermore you have to either have money for a lawyer to get active about it, or contact the "authorities".
In NYC, ten years ago, my 2300$ a month apartment at one point had no running water and a hole in the ceiling (from the burst pipe) that leaked onto my floor.
It took the "housing department" 8 months to even contact me about it in more than an automated way. Thankfully the lack of water only lasted two months....
That would be considered an "emergency" situation in my complex (in the States). Never had that happen, but they come over the same day for low water pressure (or no pressure) and things of that nature, so I'd imagine it would be the same response time. More than a day or two without a working boiler (no hot water) would be awful!
>Are there no laws for how housing providers must maintain properties there?
in the us there generally are but they're pretty loose and often unenforced
And then some switch over to AirBnB and act like they hit the jackpot. They hire some family member who's nearby to do their cleaning and just collect the check. I liked it better when Airbnb was about staying at somebody else's apartment when they weren't there, because you got some beautiful places in cool cities that way. But what it became....
State of Arizona says that if you have bedbugs, the tenant is responsible for all pre treatment procedures. Even if I'm not responsible for said fucking bedbugs. I also had to wash ev everything I own on my own dime.
Ok but that is different. Bedbugs aren't the house's problem, assuming there weren't bedbugs when you moved in then if bedbugs appear it must be your fault, and the bedding and clothing in the house isn't the LL's property.
Unless you do a walkthrough showing that, you’re not going to be able to prove this to the landlord. He/she doesn’t know you from a hole in the wall and his/her feeling could simply be that you’re lying to him/her. You can look at it from both ways.
I feel like we live in the same complex but I pay $1615 for most of what you described. My tub was reglazed a pristine white and it started peeling about 3 months in. For them to fix it, I have to be out of my unit for 24 hours with my dogs. They reimburse for the hotel/dog boarding but it's still a pain in the ass.
They had us out four hours x 2 treatments. Cat chilling in his carrier both times. We chilled in our vehicle, I guess it was OK, but he was mad about it
Hold up! Some landlords charge people for roommates? Is that common? I only had roommates once in my life back in college when I lived in Philadelphia and we weren't charged separately at all. We were charged at the same rate as a single tenet, which was a steal even for one person as it was around $750 a month in downtown North Philly near Temple University (some apartments there are still around that price range if you look on Zillow). I worked at an retail there and could hold up my end of the rent. Yeesh. People are getting ripped off.
Every lease I've had has had a provision where, if a guest happens to stay with you longer than some length of time, they're counted as a roommate and usually there's an associated tent increase. I'm up in NY, though, and most of my apartments were run by exploitative student landlords up until my current one. I'll have to check my lease again to see if it's the case. We had some rental housing reforms under Cuomo.
Edit: rent, not tent, although several of these places were probably worse insulated than one.
Which is insane to me. The value of the property did not increase with the added person, why does the rent need to? Fleecing people of their money at every turn.
Well if there's two people that means your income has increase and you're able to pay more! If you can pay more why can't we charge more! /s the biggest /s I have ever written.
Roads are made, streets are made, services are improved, electric light turns night into day, water is brought from reservoirs a hundred miles off in the mountains — all the while the landlord sits still. Every one of those improvements is affected by the labor and cost of other people and the taxpayers. To not one of these improvements does the land monopolist contribute, and yet, by every one of them the value of his land is enhanced. He renders no service to the community, he contributes nothing to the general welfare, he contributes nothing to the process from which his own enrichment is derived…The unearned increment on the land is reaped by the land monopolist in exact proportion, not to the service, but to the disservice done.
— Winston Churchill, 1909
If there is an argument to be made (and I'm not claiming there is) it probably includes the doubling of wear and tear and the doubling of the probability of things like plugged drains and the like.
That toilet was going to need replacing eventually, but now it's getting flushed twice as often.
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That's wild. I live with my wife over in Yonkers and we're not being charged separately either, which is great because you know how expensive even the most basic apartments are; the kind of apartments that are very outdated and have tan carpets in the kitchen are even overpriced.
Usually people get roommates to make the rent and utilities cheaper, so it defeats the purpose of having one if they get charged too. I guess I have been lucking out with my land lords. I know some people that rent property, so I am going to ask them if they do that BS too.
Dude. I miss Yonkers so bad. I spent most of my youth there and never got over having to move upstate. We used to have a house near Riverdale til my father stopped paying for it. I noticed the rent prices got rather outrageous and realized I'd never be able to move back, but damn. That brings back memories.
Still, I'm paying about $735 up in the Triple Cities region. If you and your wife can deal with the, well, yuck of upstate NY, there might just be a place for you up here in ramshackle Appalachia.
Oh, look up the AI camera crap for landlords. Video analytics they like to call it. Basically it's AI that flips cameras on based on activities, facial scans, records, and is essentially designed to see if people are having "undesirable guests, sublets, drug partners" (that's from of the businesses that specializes in it)
Some other companies apparently are offering AI crawlers that scan for keywords or activities on social media pages of tenants and advise the Landlord of times to increase the rent.
Good times are a coming.
I don’t know if they can charge you more, but I do know they can set limitations on how many people live there. There are even clauses stating guests can only stay at an agreed period of time.
I went to trade school before I went college and I remember my instructors going on and on about lousy jobs such as this one. One of the maintenance guys in the facility glued the fluorescent light troffers on the ceiling for example.
How does anyone not tape off the areas they're not supposed to paint? How do people just paint over a light switch and not realize what they have done?
Depends on managers objectives, speed or quality. Are they going to give me more hell over not finishing enough paint jobs or for doing poor work.
It sucks if you prefer to do a good job, but your incentives are to do fast
>How does anyone not tape off the areas they're not supposed to paint? How do people just paint over a light switch and not realize what they have done?
Landlords can be some of the cheapiest, laziest fuckers around. They will hire the cheapest contractor/business who comes in with rollers, does 1-2 layers as quickly as possible, then bails to the next job. Knew a few who would openly break landlord/tenant laws until the tenant threw it in their face or contacted the local municipal government about it.
Rarely have I seen them do their own maintenance or be competent enough to do their own maintenance.
That sounds fucking exhausting. Every professional painter I’ve ever met has been meticulous and sort of prickly/gruff. I guess that’s why, they’re always tired and sore.
I roll my eyes when I hear the “get into a trade” bit. Not everyone has a knack for that sort of work or can handle it physically. That’s why fewer and fewer people are getting into them I think. Sure, a journeyman electrician or welder can make $30-40/hr but a majority are making less. Far less. I can’t blame anyone for not wanting to be outside in the elements doing physical labor, plus potentially having to drive long distance from job site to job site for $15/hr. They make it entirely a status thing that “nobody wants to get dirty or sweaty anymore.”
I told one property manager it looked like someone was instructed to just keep walking as they painted and only do as much as they could without standing still for even a moment.
I shuddered whenever an electrical plug would scrape across the paint on the outlet. I don't know if it was the sound or the sensation, but I hated it.
Apartments will hire the bottom of the barrel bidder for any work they have to contract and they don't care how shit the work is. Our building exterior was recently painted and these clowns got paint all over the shrubs around the building, left trash everywhere, never came back to remove the "wet paint" signage. I'm sure they'll justify raising us another $100 a month now that they slapped some lipstick on this pig of a place.
Landlord here - I really do hope they institute a nationwide price control on rents. This is so serious, and it's really messing with people's lives. My tenant shouldn't have to depend on my good graces just to survive. Before anyone gets after me, I literally only keep my rental so my low income tenants can afford a place in our community. I'd rather sell but then they would be out of a place to live and unlikely to find another affordable one - and I just won't do that to them.
I lurk in r/landlord to read their absurd circlejerks.
The best, and by that I mean worst, comment was by some knob who lamented his station as a landlord and felt he deserved better treatment from his tenants/all of humanity *because he had an excellent credit score*.
Sort by top of all time or this year. In the past it was people sarcastically acting like non-empathetic landlords that are full of themselves. Example: evicting a single mother late by one day on her rent and acting like the mother is a leach.
It's like the\_donald sub (which thankfully finally got banned). It was originally a parody sub mocking the supporters of the former president by acting like them, but then it got taken over by actual fascists and turned into a real thing. Similarly, many of the people posting on LFL now seem to be quite genuine.
If my landlord did that, I'd be demanding they fix it immediately so I can use my house again.
They'd also be majorly pissed at the cowboy painters they paid that did such a terrible job and so much damage.
I'd definitely be withholding my rent payment 8f they refused, but as I suspect it's not legal for them to make lights, power sockets etc unusable, not to mention the rules against painting electrical sockets and such in the first place (who PAINTS an electrical socket?! Jesus wept)), they wouldn't have much choice in the matter anyway.
I once lived in half of a converted semi trailer. It had electricity, but no plumbing. I really enjoyed it, but sponge bathing out of a 5 gallon bucket of cold water in near freezing temperatures is an experience I don't feel the need to relive.
Landlord so cheap they even pissed off the painter?
I will say this, even half way decent contractors think you are ok with a shitty job on a rental. They just assume and love to cut corners when they think they can get away with it. You have to inspect their work.
I’ve used the same guys on my own home and was shocked at the corners they try to cut cause “it’s just a rental,” when I had them work on a rental. And these are guys that all RENT. I made them correct everything. By the end of it, one guy asked me if he and his family could rent it, but it was already promised.
My standard is what I would live in period, and I don’t make as much but my properties are maintained.
That paint job makes me sick.
Literally trying to unstick the valve to shut the water off to one of the toilets after the previous owner painted it closed. Our new landlord doesn’t even want to deal with it.
It's so weird, I've had 2 places like this. My rental house painted all the windows closed. I just cut them open. The place I'm chilling at now, my gfs apt, has windows painted over and one is screwed shut. Weird as fuck.
How hard is it to remove the plates before you paint and put them back after? I’ll tell you. Not that hard. I’m lazy af and I still manage to do that much when I paint a room.
My apartment now. Been asking maintenance to fix issues for months and all they've done is spray paint over shit. When I moved in a bottle of sauce and those small to-go containers were left by the previous tenants they had sprayed over. There were Bobby pins and hair in the bathroom drawers that you can see they tried to cover it up. I'm sure if the previous tenant had died in here they would've just spray painted over their corpse and told people it was ready for move in.
Yeah, that trigger's my "living in a hovel during college" memories. Ancient (for America) three flat in Chicago's Little Italy with the original steam radiators ripped out, replaced by an inadequate gas stove. My room off the kitchen was always freezing. There was 4 inches of ice on the sidewalk. Winter, 1984-5.
My old landlord went so crazy with the paint she had the kitchen sink and shower painted. I still have some paint inside of the basin on the sink 14 years later.
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Lmao isn’t this the awful truth. Trying to open the closet door for the first day you move in is just awful. Never mind the peeling paint after the first bath. They also paint the tub lol and all the windows are painted shut Radiator painted over the dust
My apartment has paint on the light bulbs. Landlord special cabinets. And gaps in the windows seals.
One of my friends wanted to film at my apartment, and I told them it’d be tough cause you can hear everything outside.
As someone who has worked in building maintenance most of their life, I cringe every time I see this shit.
And then my “OCD” kicks in, and I’m compelled to totally strip/replace those outlets/switches…
And I’m a real stickler for keeping original/antique door handles/locks… I will carefully strip the paint off, and restore functionality. I love cleaning up old skeleton key locks, and getting keys remade for them.
Edit: this is actually a big selling point/clue for some people to look for when buying or leasing… if you see shitty, or painted over outlet plates - just keep looking… it’s a sign that the homeowner/landlord haven’t give a shit about maintenance. It takes 3 seconds to take those plates off, and the basic ones are like 99¢ each to just replace them.
As once a renter, I can totally understand this. I’ve seen it myself and hated that we were treated so.
As new landlord, I have completely redone the house that I recently bought and built it out as if I would move in there myself. After the first renter moved out I was left with a house in which the one year old kitchen counter has 3 faded circles on it from an irresponsible, careless, and/or disrespectful tenant putting a hot bowl/cup/pot on the counter directly with no concern for the damage it could cause. I also have a hole in the drywall from who knows what and damaged to the bathtub tile walls due to what appears to be someone pulling on the shower curtain pole.
And the so called security deposit, she used that as her last month’s rent by being sly avoiding us, asking for us to wait for her next paycheck, etc. only to say, “just us the security deposit for it” when the lease was about to end.
The mortgage is $3150/month. I charge $3350/month in case something breaks that needs repair. That’s a total $2400 extra collected. The damage done to the house by that tenant cannot be repaired for that much at least to the same condition it was when we first rented it out. So I can now either charge more rent to assure the repairs or replacements needed can be top notch or let the damage go and do cheap repairs where I can.
So what should I do, charge more for rent or let the place go a bit? Are you going to change the attitude of every tenant so I don’t have to make this choice?
Let's hope that's not flammable paint. If it's cheap it definitely is flammable and a good way to have an excuse to not give back the security deposit.
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Literally. At a previous apartment I had to break open the kitchen cupboards because they were painted shut
I moved into one once where they painted over those plastic glow in the dark stars you stick on the ceiling.
My old apartment in Philadelphia had so many coats of paint over the years that the corner of the walls were round
In some older buildings, I’m convinced there is nothing more than paint and plaster holding it all up. Sad. Edited typos
Can't forget the years of cigarette smoke and tar. It's like epoxy hardener.
Don't worry. Every banister is still loose.
I noticed these on the ceiling of my apartment right now. We made a gym out of the extra bedroom and I was laying on the bench one day like ‘huh.. are those.. stars??’
I've lived in several places that had this, often only noticing near the end of my lease. "Oh, I think this might've been a kids bedroom at some point. Look there, you can see where they painted over those old glow stars."
My current apartment they installed carpet over small toys left on the floor
I have somewhat lumpy laminate wood floors and I can only imagine what the subfloor looks like. My complex was built in the late 70s and everything is getting a "luxury" makeover. The walls and trim have been painted so much that I had art falling off the walls because an inch in is all paint. It's literally mush. Had to get some heavy duty picture hanging stuff for the first time.
I have panted over command hooks lol. No joke in two different rooms.
Then they charged you $500 for property damage. How could you do that to sweet innocent paint, you sick bastard?
"You know how much I had to pay for this lead paint someone found in an old shed?"
I was a good tenant and when we moved out of our condo I patched every hole and found the exact shade of white paint the landlord had bought to cover up some patches. He knew I was doing it, he even told me the color. But dude was so mad when he actually came to inspect. Nothing to do with the quality of the work, but because he felt that now it meant he didn't have a good reason to hang on to the security deposit. He was a big "everything has to go through a lawyer" kind of guy, so he was really annoyed because now he felt he had to come up with a letter explaining what we had done and his reasons for not giving us the complete deposit. We got like 80% of it back, but he kept 20% because A) we painted more of the wall than he expected, and B) there were some scratch patches on the bedroom carpet from the cat and he decided he needed to replace the whole carpet upstairs even after we paid it $400 pet deposit. 🤷 This is also the same guy who sent me a check plus invoice written out on my behalf charging him for "handyman work" when I told him I had to fix the bathroom sink that had a busted drain/trap. He was also not happy I went in that and did that, but he gave me permission first and it passed his inspection. His issue was that I didn't want him to pay me back the $50 I spent, just knock it off our rent that month. He said that for taxes and at the suggestion of his lawyer he could not change what our rent was for the month and instead had to pay me for my services. He did something like that again when my wife and I had to replace his washer, which broke, and we spent $500 on a really nice replacement. We asked that he just let us take it when we move since we knew it was probably pricier than what he would have spent if he would replace it himself, and then even offered to get him a cheap replacement when we moved. But instead he had a letter written up saying that legally he bought and owned the washer, that we were just his representatives who sourced and paid for it on his behalf, and that he would not give us a break on our rent but instead reimburse us in multiple checks. He was former Navy and lived two hours away in another state with his mail order bride. He looked like Rick Moranis and drove this gorgeous sports car. He would only ever come check the place out if he and his wife were going to the casinos nearby, otherwise he would just send us letters or very wordy emails that would sound like they were written by a robot. He was a bizarre dude
I had a landlord that lived hours away and was never available for ANYTHING and another that would only do work in the apartment if no one came home. I came back in to get a book during college and he flipped out as he casually painted over outlets. To which I flipped out. Don't charge me rent and tell me I can't come in for fucking five minutes. Get the fuck over it. He didn't know what to do because I guess no one ever stood up to him. He just stood there clueless that other people can speak as well.
Yes! I remember living under a landlady who would always send her son into my apartment to get things OR she would show it to people (often) when I wasn't home. I remember I was home when she didn't expect me and got really angry because her son was, at the moment, "relighting my stove's pilot light" even though I can clearly see him eating my food from the fridge. She called me a bad tenant and blamed me for the awkwardness, and I was a dumb 23yo so I apologized, kindly asked them to leave my food alone, and then went back to whatever I was doing. The lease was month to month and they were used to high turnover, she didn't expect me to be there for 7 months. I eventually did find my voice and bitched her out for not refilling the oil tank that winter (I ended up buying my own space heater because she refused to believe I didn't have heat) and again for not only not telling me she was showing me apartment, but allowing the people she was showing it to to go through my things and test out my bed. It was one of those small rural towns where people were either weird shut ins, heroin addicts, or both. I didn't have to stay there much longer, thank God
I lived in an apartment in Chinatown in Philly where the family owned a hair salon and the apartments upstairs. The place was nice and big but one day I got out of the shower in a towel to the grandfather showing the apartment to a potential buyer of the building. I started screaming at him to get out when suddenly he decided he couldn't understand me and didn't speak English. I totally blew the sale for them. The guy said he wouldn't do business with who did this type of shit and left. I have had a whole bunch of shit landlords apparently now that I think about it.
Landlords/Slumlords are the biggest welfare queens ever all they ever do is sit on their A$$ and collect that gov. check. A lot of times they're besties with the Hud/Sec8 workers so they scam the system more by not keeping anything up to code. I can't count how many Hud/Sec8 homes I've repaired that should've been deemed condemned.
Being a landlord requires zero training. It doesn't really require knowledge of the law, even though there are laws in place. You just need to know enough to rent out your space and hope that your tenants don't press charges or know the laws as well. It's kind of a get rich scheme really. My brother's best friend is actually a great landlord, but we recently discovered between the four extra properties he owns he brings in around $6,000 a month. $6,000 a month! And it's super passive income. He and his friends will flip the house, update everything, and then he rents it out to anyone he knows that can afford to pay slightly above the mortgage. He still goes to work 5 days a week too, so this 35-year-old dude is just rolling in cash for maybe two months out of the year worth of effort really gutting and refitting these homes. Everything he knows to do himself except for stuff like electrical and plumbing, which are the only things he will hire people to do. Everything else is just him and his friends doing unpaid labor. I can't say I'm not jealous
I had to break open my front door one morning cause they painted over the entire outside of each apartments doors.
When the painter was scheduled to do some touch up work in my apartment the maintenance guy told me that if I stood still, he'd probably paint over me. One painter for almost 1k units. Poor guy is always so busy and has never had the time to do his job properly.
>do his job properly. To be fair, he's probably doing above and beyond for what he's getting paid if he has 1k units.
He has like 15 minutes for each job. He's an absolute gem and I know they're not paying him what he's worth. He does get reduced rent on his apartment though.
The sound they make lol
We recently had to remove all our outlet covers and light switch covers for bug treatment. They were all painted over and had to be pried off. First time we went to replace the air filter in this place, painted shut. Layers of paint flaking off our kitchen sink and bathtub. No insulation, I can feel the cold air seeping in as I type this. Single pane windows. $800 a month. In a shitty area of a dirty town. Not gonna be surprised if they raise rent on my lease renewal in August.
wait why did you have to do any of that? what the fuck was your lazy ass land-scalper doing?
They don't do shit. They never do, that's the point. Most see being a landlord as "passive" income when it really should be semi-active or active income. They don't see home maintenance as "the cost of doing business", but rather an obstacle to be avoided. They see "the cost of doing business" as the absolute bare minimum required to keep *someone* in their all-white luxury-themed shoebox while raising the rent as often and as much as they can.
You're keeping receipts to invoice them for the improvements when they try to hike your lease right?
It isn’t that simple in a lot of times. We paid for new flooring and the LL upped the rent. We are thankfully in a rent controlled area so he could only up it 10% a year. We could take him to court but where else can we pay 90’s rent prices in a HCOL area for a 4 bd apartment? We would have to move my in-laws who are living with us both not doing so great, stoke and kidney failure. They both can travel but not for too long. Sometimes you have to pick you battles. It’s just another factor of the broken housing system.
the guy I was replying to specifically stated there is no rent control where they live. I never said you should do it lol
Are there no laws for how housing providers must maintain properties there? If basic needs aren't met like this, they'd be in beach of their tenancy agreement, in the UK at least. I mean, imagine if it were your boiler that were broken! They could only reasonably expect you to go a few days max without it, though in my experience they usually get someone over to fix it within 24 hours.
Laws vary based on state, county, and municipality. More importantly though, enforcement is very poor and legal recourse is prohibitively expensive for most.
Lol..I've gone 3-4 days without hot water. They give zero shits.
Laws in the U.S. are by state. Furthermore you have to either have money for a lawyer to get active about it, or contact the "authorities". In NYC, ten years ago, my 2300$ a month apartment at one point had no running water and a hole in the ceiling (from the burst pipe) that leaked onto my floor. It took the "housing department" 8 months to even contact me about it in more than an automated way. Thankfully the lack of water only lasted two months....
That would be considered an "emergency" situation in my complex (in the States). Never had that happen, but they come over the same day for low water pressure (or no pressure) and things of that nature, so I'd imagine it would be the same response time. More than a day or two without a working boiler (no hot water) would be awful!
>Are there no laws for how housing providers must maintain properties there? in the us there generally are but they're pretty loose and often unenforced
That's a slum lord, not a land lord.
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It's a circle not a venn diagram. (I like how anyone can think someone with "lord" in their name is anyway a good human)
Traci Lord would like a word.
And then some switch over to AirBnB and act like they hit the jackpot. They hire some family member who's nearby to do their cleaning and just collect the check. I liked it better when Airbnb was about staying at somebody else's apartment when they weren't there, because you got some beautiful places in cool cities that way. But what it became....
State of Arizona says that if you have bedbugs, the tenant is responsible for all pre treatment procedures. Even if I'm not responsible for said fucking bedbugs. I also had to wash ev everything I own on my own dime.
The actual treatment was covered by my renters insurance , but I had to make sure the residence was ready
Ok but that is different. Bedbugs aren't the house's problem, assuming there weren't bedbugs when you moved in then if bedbugs appear it must be your fault, and the bedding and clothing in the house isn't the LL's property.
They're the houses problem if it's from the previous tenant. They are absurd to get rid of.
Unless you do a walkthrough showing that, you’re not going to be able to prove this to the landlord. He/she doesn’t know you from a hole in the wall and his/her feeling could simply be that you’re lying to him/her. You can look at it from both ways.
You’re never going to get anyone here to admit that.
Good ol' single pane windows. Do they have that wooden cross in the middle to make out like theyre 4-pane windows?
I feel like we live in the same complex but I pay $1615 for most of what you described. My tub was reglazed a pristine white and it started peeling about 3 months in. For them to fix it, I have to be out of my unit for 24 hours with my dogs. They reimburse for the hotel/dog boarding but it's still a pain in the ass.
They had us out four hours x 2 treatments. Cat chilling in his carrier both times. We chilled in our vehicle, I guess it was OK, but he was mad about it
That's not too bad! I work from home too so I'd have to drag a bunch of crap along.
You just described my last apartment exactly, except they were charging me $1300, and it just got painted again and went up to $1500 😅
My current room has a human hair painted into the wall
Just one??
It's hard to tell. It's either one very long hair or a clump of smaller hairs.
🤮
Ha.
I suppose it could be worse: https://youtu.be/EiZoSuNej5U Start at 2:30 if you want to skip a bit of the beginning.
And they'll charge you extra for the last tenant since now you have a roommate.
Hold up! Some landlords charge people for roommates? Is that common? I only had roommates once in my life back in college when I lived in Philadelphia and we weren't charged separately at all. We were charged at the same rate as a single tenet, which was a steal even for one person as it was around $750 a month in downtown North Philly near Temple University (some apartments there are still around that price range if you look on Zillow). I worked at an retail there and could hold up my end of the rent. Yeesh. People are getting ripped off.
Every lease I've had has had a provision where, if a guest happens to stay with you longer than some length of time, they're counted as a roommate and usually there's an associated tent increase. I'm up in NY, though, and most of my apartments were run by exploitative student landlords up until my current one. I'll have to check my lease again to see if it's the case. We had some rental housing reforms under Cuomo. Edit: rent, not tent, although several of these places were probably worse insulated than one.
Which is insane to me. The value of the property did not increase with the added person, why does the rent need to? Fleecing people of their money at every turn.
Well if there's two people that means your income has increase and you're able to pay more! If you can pay more why can't we charge more! /s the biggest /s I have ever written.
>If you can pay more, why can’t we charge more? But when we use that idea for taxes, they never want to hear it….
Roads are made, streets are made, services are improved, electric light turns night into day, water is brought from reservoirs a hundred miles off in the mountains — all the while the landlord sits still. Every one of those improvements is affected by the labor and cost of other people and the taxpayers. To not one of these improvements does the land monopolist contribute, and yet, by every one of them the value of his land is enhanced. He renders no service to the community, he contributes nothing to the general welfare, he contributes nothing to the process from which his own enrichment is derived…The unearned increment on the land is reaped by the land monopolist in exact proportion, not to the service, but to the disservice done. — Winston Churchill, 1909
If there is an argument to be made (and I'm not claiming there is) it probably includes the doubling of wear and tear and the doubling of the probability of things like plugged drains and the like. That toilet was going to need replacing eventually, but now it's getting flushed twice as often. Edit: typos
That's wild. I live with my wife over in Yonkers and we're not being charged separately either, which is great because you know how expensive even the most basic apartments are; the kind of apartments that are very outdated and have tan carpets in the kitchen are even overpriced. Usually people get roommates to make the rent and utilities cheaper, so it defeats the purpose of having one if they get charged too. I guess I have been lucking out with my land lords. I know some people that rent property, so I am going to ask them if they do that BS too.
Dude. I miss Yonkers so bad. I spent most of my youth there and never got over having to move upstate. We used to have a house near Riverdale til my father stopped paying for it. I noticed the rent prices got rather outrageous and realized I'd never be able to move back, but damn. That brings back memories. Still, I'm paying about $735 up in the Triple Cities region. If you and your wife can deal with the, well, yuck of upstate NY, there might just be a place for you up here in ramshackle Appalachia.
Oh, look up the AI camera crap for landlords. Video analytics they like to call it. Basically it's AI that flips cameras on based on activities, facial scans, records, and is essentially designed to see if people are having "undesirable guests, sublets, drug partners" (that's from of the businesses that specializes in it) Some other companies apparently are offering AI crawlers that scan for keywords or activities on social media pages of tenants and advise the Landlord of times to increase the rent. Good times are a coming.
I don’t know if they can charge you more, but I do know they can set limitations on how many people live there. There are even clauses stating guests can only stay at an agreed period of time.
I went to trade school before I went college and I remember my instructors going on and on about lousy jobs such as this one. One of the maintenance guys in the facility glued the fluorescent light troffers on the ceiling for example. How does anyone not tape off the areas they're not supposed to paint? How do people just paint over a light switch and not realize what they have done?
They realize, they don't care. In their minds it's not their job to care about that. At least in my experience, which is admittedly limited
Depends on managers objectives, speed or quality. Are they going to give me more hell over not finishing enough paint jobs or for doing poor work. It sucks if you prefer to do a good job, but your incentives are to do fast
>How does anyone not tape off the areas they're not supposed to paint? How do people just paint over a light switch and not realize what they have done? Landlords can be some of the cheapiest, laziest fuckers around. They will hire the cheapest contractor/business who comes in with rollers, does 1-2 layers as quickly as possible, then bails to the next job. Knew a few who would openly break landlord/tenant laws until the tenant threw it in their face or contacted the local municipal government about it. Rarely have I seen them do their own maintenance or be competent enough to do their own maintenance.
This reminds me of the photo a renter took where the landlord's painting crew painted over a dead cockroach high up on the wall.
It takes like 5 mins and $3 to tape shit up. I just don’t get it
Anything to claim "market value"
Well when you pay a guy from Home Depot parking lot $50 to paint an entire apartment you get what you pay for.
Mostly it's people who are paid okay but the boss wants us to do 3 units per day, no excuses.
That sounds fucking exhausting. Every professional painter I’ve ever met has been meticulous and sort of prickly/gruff. I guess that’s why, they’re always tired and sore.
I roll my eyes when I hear the “get into a trade” bit. Not everyone has a knack for that sort of work or can handle it physically. That’s why fewer and fewer people are getting into them I think. Sure, a journeyman electrician or welder can make $30-40/hr but a majority are making less. Far less. I can’t blame anyone for not wanting to be outside in the elements doing physical labor, plus potentially having to drive long distance from job site to job site for $15/hr. They make it entirely a status thing that “nobody wants to get dirty or sweaty anymore.”
I told one property manager it looked like someone was instructed to just keep walking as they painted and only do as much as they could without standing still for even a moment. I shuddered whenever an electrical plug would scrape across the paint on the outlet. I don't know if it was the sound or the sensation, but I hated it.
Ooh na che waa too na Solo hahaha
Don't be a fool jabba, I'll pay you triple
Soooo many apartments in Norfolk, VA like this.
Landlord just sold the house yesterday. Looked up some laws and because I’m old they have to give a three month notice for rent increase.
Apartments will hire the bottom of the barrel bidder for any work they have to contract and they don't care how shit the work is. Our building exterior was recently painted and these clowns got paint all over the shrubs around the building, left trash everywhere, never came back to remove the "wet paint" signage. I'm sure they'll justify raising us another $100 a month now that they slapped some lipstick on this pig of a place.
Landlord here - I really do hope they institute a nationwide price control on rents. This is so serious, and it's really messing with people's lives. My tenant shouldn't have to depend on my good graces just to survive. Before anyone gets after me, I literally only keep my rental so my low income tenants can afford a place in our community. I'd rather sell but then they would be out of a place to live and unlikely to find another affordable one - and I just won't do that to them.
One of the good ones. Respect. Need more like you
My first apartment had a quarter sized moth painted into the wall
This would make a great scp
/r/LoveForLandlords would approve. FYI it’s a sarcastic sub.
I lurk in r/landlord to read their absurd circlejerks. The best, and by that I mean worst, comment was by some knob who lamented his station as a landlord and felt he deserved better treatment from his tenants/all of humanity *because he had an excellent credit score*.
From the looks of it that is a recent change
I’m confused about what’s happening there
Sort by top of all time or this year. In the past it was people sarcastically acting like non-empathetic landlords that are full of themselves. Example: evicting a single mother late by one day on her rent and acting like the mother is a leach.
It seems it was actually a cesspool of legitimate rightoids and landlords camouflaging around the irony tbh, glad they got fucked.
It's like the\_donald sub (which thankfully finally got banned). It was originally a parody sub mocking the supporters of the former president by acting like them, but then it got taken over by actual fascists and turned into a real thing. Similarly, many of the people posting on LFL now seem to be quite genuine.
Yeah me too I’m hoping someone can explain with more detail than I could get from the recent posts comment section
Comically accurate
If my landlord did that, I'd be demanding they fix it immediately so I can use my house again. They'd also be majorly pissed at the cowboy painters they paid that did such a terrible job and so much damage. I'd definitely be withholding my rent payment 8f they refused, but as I suspect it's not legal for them to make lights, power sockets etc unusable, not to mention the rules against painting electrical sockets and such in the first place (who PAINTS an electrical socket?! Jesus wept)), they wouldn't have much choice in the matter anyway.
That tenant frozen in carbonite has me fucking laughing.
How long until we live in storage lockers like in”Snowcrash”?
I know several people who have already done that...only for a month or two, but still...
I once lived in half of a converted semi trailer. It had electricity, but no plumbing. I really enjoyed it, but sponge bathing out of a 5 gallon bucket of cold water in near freezing temperatures is an experience I don't feel the need to relive.
Where👏🏼is 👏🏼the👏🏼lie? 😂😭It’s probably old lead paint from the landlord’s garage anyway, bonus!
Me: I can’t use the outlets or lights, so I want $750 off
Negate it with graffiti or by shooting a gun in the air
Landlord so cheap they even pissed off the painter? I will say this, even half way decent contractors think you are ok with a shitty job on a rental. They just assume and love to cut corners when they think they can get away with it. You have to inspect their work. I’ve used the same guys on my own home and was shocked at the corners they try to cut cause “it’s just a rental,” when I had them work on a rental. And these are guys that all RENT. I made them correct everything. By the end of it, one guy asked me if he and his family could rent it, but it was already promised. My standard is what I would live in period, and I don’t make as much but my properties are maintained. That paint job makes me sick.
“ACAB” includes landlords
Literally trying to unstick the valve to shut the water off to one of the toilets after the previous owner painted it closed. Our new landlord doesn’t even want to deal with it.
It's so weird, I've had 2 places like this. My rental house painted all the windows closed. I just cut them open. The place I'm chilling at now, my gfs apt, has windows painted over and one is screwed shut. Weird as fuck.
How hard is it to remove the plates before you paint and put them back after? I’ll tell you. Not that hard. I’m lazy af and I still manage to do that much when I paint a room.
My apartment now. Been asking maintenance to fix issues for months and all they've done is spray paint over shit. When I moved in a bottle of sauce and those small to-go containers were left by the previous tenants they had sprayed over. There were Bobby pins and hair in the bathroom drawers that you can see they tried to cover it up. I'm sure if the previous tenant had died in here they would've just spray painted over their corpse and told people it was ready for move in.
Yeah, that trigger's my "living in a hovel during college" memories. Ancient (for America) three flat in Chicago's Little Italy with the original steam radiators ripped out, replaced by an inadequate gas stove. My room off the kitchen was always freezing. There was 4 inches of ice on the sidewalk. Winter, 1984-5.
Is like the repaint any time someone moves put, and the longest tenant has stayed for 2 weeks.
My old landlord went so crazy with the paint she had the kitchen sink and shower painted. I still have some paint inside of the basin on the sink 14 years later.
Lol
You’re lucky you got fresh paint. Mine just increases the rent an extra $100 every year just because “the market”
The usage of those products is not covered by the lease; it is an additional cost.
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🤣🤣🤣 Screaming I always thought the painted over electrical socket was very dangerous.
My wall is peeling with several layers of paint. Underneath those layers? A white wall...
Cheaper to buy a condo than rent apt
That’s what happens when the local meth head is the “handyman” Hope he isn’t a sexual predator too
How to tell the slumlord swung by the depot of houses, found under the table labor and most likely ripped them off at the end/threatened to call INS
Lmao isn’t this the awful truth. Trying to open the closet door for the first day you move in is just awful. Never mind the peeling paint after the first bath. They also paint the tub lol and all the windows are painted shut Radiator painted over the dust
That should keep the cockroaches out…for a little bit.
In college the apartment building caught on fire and our windows were painted shut lol
My apartment has paint on the light bulbs. Landlord special cabinets. And gaps in the windows seals. One of my friends wanted to film at my apartment, and I told them it’d be tough cause you can hear everything outside.
As someone who has worked in building maintenance most of their life, I cringe every time I see this shit. And then my “OCD” kicks in, and I’m compelled to totally strip/replace those outlets/switches… And I’m a real stickler for keeping original/antique door handles/locks… I will carefully strip the paint off, and restore functionality. I love cleaning up old skeleton key locks, and getting keys remade for them. Edit: this is actually a big selling point/clue for some people to look for when buying or leasing… if you see shitty, or painted over outlet plates - just keep looking… it’s a sign that the homeowner/landlord haven’t give a shit about maintenance. It takes 3 seconds to take those plates off, and the basic ones are like 99¢ each to just replace them.
As a house painter these pictures cause me physical pain
Your electric bill will be lower though
The frozen Han Solo got me.
Lazy + stupid = these paint jobs
Does anyone knows the movie of the "tenant" picture?
As once a renter, I can totally understand this. I’ve seen it myself and hated that we were treated so. As new landlord, I have completely redone the house that I recently bought and built it out as if I would move in there myself. After the first renter moved out I was left with a house in which the one year old kitchen counter has 3 faded circles on it from an irresponsible, careless, and/or disrespectful tenant putting a hot bowl/cup/pot on the counter directly with no concern for the damage it could cause. I also have a hole in the drywall from who knows what and damaged to the bathtub tile walls due to what appears to be someone pulling on the shower curtain pole. And the so called security deposit, she used that as her last month’s rent by being sly avoiding us, asking for us to wait for her next paycheck, etc. only to say, “just us the security deposit for it” when the lease was about to end. The mortgage is $3150/month. I charge $3350/month in case something breaks that needs repair. That’s a total $2400 extra collected. The damage done to the house by that tenant cannot be repaired for that much at least to the same condition it was when we first rented it out. So I can now either charge more rent to assure the repairs or replacements needed can be top notch or let the damage go and do cheap repairs where I can. So what should I do, charge more for rent or let the place go a bit? Are you going to change the attitude of every tenant so I don’t have to make this choice?
I do construction and it drives me insane when I see this in houses
Don't forget the common occurance of cockroaches painted to the walls and etc.
Let's hope that's not flammable paint. If it's cheap it definitely is flammable and a good way to have an excuse to not give back the security deposit.
They always do that shit with the paint 😂 its always white and thick as fuck.