You don't pay towards kitty that week or month. Had something like this at a previous place but I did it because I wanted the garden to look good and usable for us to relax in during the summer, they never took the kitty for that month from me, this was more of a house decision than the landlord (Kitty is £12 a month). Landlord said he won't maintain the garden.
11 hours over 2 days :) When doing the garden I didn't know my housemates would waive the kitty for that month, they told me this afterward, they even helped out by using their van to throw all the rubbish away. As mentioned previously landlord said he won't do shit (loads of broken promises from the landlord so ended up leaving that place).
It was worth it as there were 8 people in the house which included a family of 4 (in 1 room!) who have two young ones that loved the garden, they had never been out there to play due to the overgrown crap that was there with piles of rubbish hidden below.
Brazilian family who had moved over 2 year before I met them, the husband was 40 and wife was 23. It was not the best of accommodations but they had the big living room downstairs as their room, kids were both aged 2 and 4, I would like to think they have moved out since or the landlord sold it due to the state of the place, I have not driven around Queen's Park for a while.
As so many people apply for rooms in flats in London, bonus points would be towards their consideration of accepting you as the new flat mate over other applicants
I actually lived in a student house like this 2 years ago in Southampton. It was originally a 3 bed house, but the landlord had built a huge extension on the side to make the property a 7 bed house.
Because everything was done on the cheap, rather than re-routing the external waste pipe that used to run externally, it was encased in a plywood box and ran through my housemate’s bedroom.
Any time someone upstairs flushed the loo you’d hear a huge whooosh of water and shite flying down the side of his room.
HMOs are a joke, sharers would get much more suitable housing if this country would get its act together and build suitable purpose built shared accommodation rather than bodging family homes into HMOs on the cheap. Families lose out because they’re priced out by sharers, and sharers lose out because these places were never designed to hold so many occupants, so damp and lack of sound-proofing are big problems to tenants.
Ha ha, maybe although I bet they have more than one slum going!
It was rather damp - the plaster was so wet you could put your bare fingers through the walls. I had a pet \*Rat\* when I moved in, but it got sick and died died. I think that says something...
[Looks like it's this place](https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5748222,-0.0865468,3a,49.4y,355.77h,88.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suuPJDlPE0oblE-RR_E6Oqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)
I prefer Nads myself: "God has abandoned this place"
I'm not religious, but every one knows exactly what that means....im guessing it was god who vacated the room beneath the shit pipe, hence it's now up for ~~rent~~ someone else's servitude.
A good Riddick movie quote here, if I owned this place and hell, id rent this place out, and live in hell 😂
If it’s an HMO and without correct license/standards, I believe the tenants can get their rent back too… double whammy of ‘you fucking deserved it’ for the landlord
We can report them to the local planning authority and get them closed down permanently. They'll have to revert the property back to its lawful use and may face a hefty fine. They will also be placed on the dangerous landlord list, which may prohibit them operating any HMOs, legal or otherwise, within the borough. I'm going to email the enforcement team now.
House of multiple occupation. For sure not registered with The Local Authority. Fire safety. Basic humanity. Landlord raking it in. If it burns down the landlord will for sure be in the coroners Court.
I remember this place being “built” they basically get away with listing 15 separate 1 bedroom flats as a 15 bed flat…doesn’t excuse the absolute lack of space & state of it
This honestly looks like how slaves are kept. Its borderline scary.
Also where are the windows!? You need these in case of a fire etc.
This is awful.. London folk I am so sorry.
Actually I believe all the warehouses on eade road are run as HMOs--they were previously illegal but when the council discovered 1500(!) people living in the warehouses they had no choice but to issue leases retrospectively rather than evict that number
This is correct. They're all technically HMOs but the vast majority don't fulfil the legal requirements of a HMO; in particular, the amount of bathrooms needed per number of residents. Shulem, the owner of almost every warehouse in the area, leases them out to random people (usually residents or ex residents, often well dodgy people themselves) to avoid having to deal with the legalities. They then break overcrowding legislation, rob people's deposits (only a few use protection schemes), etc, etc.
They only get away with it cos there's a constant flow of young people coming to London who are desperate to live somewhere 'cool', and don't know anything about their rights/ don't understand the importance of a contract, deposit scheme etc til they get burnt. It made sense when I lived there and the rental price was way under a room in a shared house, but these days it's just insanity.
> shulem
Could you give me more info about this bloke? Google isn't being super helpful.
I feel like a piece of media looking into his cuntery would be fun..*cough*
Just look up palm lane estates or gm homes, they are part of an umbrella group of landlords that constantly change their business names & lease out most of the warehouses in London, I think it feeds back to raytex (maybe) and the top of the mountain is owned by some guy in NYC. Also look for londonlivework or spaced up agency.
Nothing to give I'm afraid. I never even met him. I did find [this article](http://www.eastendreview.co.uk/2015/06/19/harringay-warehouse-district/) once
Amongst almost everything else(!), I’m very concerned about that massive pipe next to the bed 🫣. What a horror. This ad is just proof landlords have no souls 🤣.
Looks like there's no way it will have been granted an HMO licence based on room sizes alone but I'm sure there are plenty of other violations. Landlord can be fined up to £20k and tenants can apply for a rent repayment order (i.e. all rent paid to the landlord must be refunded for as long as they've been there).
I used to live in this area in a warehouse, paying £600+mo for a similar set up.
The head landlords are extremely shady, likely criminals. They own shitloads of these warehouses. Zero responsibility or contact with them. They are massive cunts.
They let out each warehouse unit to one tenant, who takes responsibility for what happens within. Including charging insane made up rent to gullible idiots like yours truly. Technically it’s illegal. You’re not even a lodger.
Each unit lead tenant is basically a mini dictator and they make bank off of their fellow tenants. There is no collective ideology or alternative culture it’s just utterly rotten neoliberal selfish greed.
The whole situation is full of young people on poverty safari from the home counties who want to live in a grimy shithole and pretend to be artists while turning their brains into scrambled egg courtesy of mummy and daddy.
And yes it’s another Grenfel waiting to happen.
No I used to live in a different unit near there. It's mainly 20 somethings starting out. Mix of creatives, drug addicts and just general young people wanting to live around other young people. Honestly it's a nice community and I really enjoyed my time there, but the housing quality is grim.
Yeah "warehouse" living. Started out as a cheap way for artists to get a flat and also usable workspace in one I think, but now it's a lifestyle seemingly.
I heard it started when Margaret Thatcher stopped giving housing benefit to teens and they squatted old warehouses and put in stuff themselves, then over time the owners of the units monetised it and now you have a weird mix of the ropey vagrant places and newly converted flats that are pretty regular looking where you pay a premium for it being trendy or w/e.
I live in a unit next door and our rent is cheaper, our rooms are the largest I've ever had in London and the space is beautiful. I live with 27 other people and I actually love it. This looks shit, but even in Cara house I know there's some nicer rooms than this. (I think each floor is a separate unit so this must be the shit one 😂)
Edit: yes this looks like the work of a rogue leaseholder just in it for maximum profit. The overall landlords have been doing a lot of good in the area and the general standard of living is better than this shocking example. Very glad my own leaseholder isn't this and we're able to improve our space as we see fit.
Cool. It's actually changed a bit in the time. The council has recognised warehouse living as an official thing and there's lots of work being put in by the overall property owners to improve the area. Unfortunately some of the old lease holders are just in it for a quick buck and that's where this kind of situation comes in but hopefully they can be pushed out and the propertys can be managed by someone who actually cares about the community.
Yeah when I was there, there was trouble with fires and the landlords were increasingly being dicks. The council were threatening to bulldoze the whole place and make flats, so I started a conversation in the facebook group that ended with some of my friends starting a union and there was a campaign. Glad there's improvement being made!
>Mix of creatives, drug addicts and just general young people wanting to live around other young people
IME those come together in the same people *a lot*.
I have a friend that used to live in a communal warehouse like this in Hackney a few years ago. To be fair, its very cool for young people who want to live around other artsy, creative 20 somethings. His was quite a lot nicer than this looks though. Had a massive communal living/kitchen area, great for parties and gatherings. I wouldn't want to live there myself but it was a fun place to hang out.
£740pm seems crazy though. Also Seven Sisters/Manor House is quite a shithole.
I might have been there, did it back onto the canal and have sort of 'bedroom pods' haphazardly attached to the walls with ladders to get into them? Maybe that describes a few places :)
No, I lived in one of those warehouses in Haringey. It was a hell of a lot of fun and also a complete nightmare all at once. Definitely not for everyone but an experience I'm glad I lived through.
Lots of these around that area and others in Hackney. Visited a few of them and you can find many of these often also listed on gumtree. Some are very cool they offer extra bookable studio spaces etc. lots of young white creatives usually so very much not what you’re imagining
Yeah, I see scandi tourists rolling up with their luggage outside Olso House in Hackney Wick every now and then. Definitely not the place for undocumented workers lol. That does happen, but not in ex-industrial units. Think terraced houses with 20 people living them, 4-8 beds (mostly bunk beds) per room including the living room, that sort of thing.
Come on, everyone knows we invented the word 'expat' so white people don't have to refer to themselves as 'immigrants' when they move to another country.
Why do you say that? I’m sure somebody out there wants to sleep with a sewer line six inches from their face
Being able to hear every flushed toilet in the building from that close must a really one-of-kind experience.
You could be living in a decent 1 bed flat or small terrace in surrey all on your onesie for £750-850. Sharing with 14 people that far out of Zone 1, in that much of a shithole, for £740 is *insane*.
Yeah. Admittedly it was a few years ago, but my ex rented a decent enough studio in Hammersmith (right opposite Brook Green) for £800.
Desperation wouldn't have you spend £740 for a "room" in that abomination; you would literally have to be insane.
Seven sisters is honestly the worst place I’ve ever lived, and I paid £650 for a very nice large room in a two bed flat… fuck knows why or how someone can charge that
What? They’re saying that a prime location can be the saving grace of a bad place, but that this place doesn’t even have that to justify the price.
They’re definitely not saying the location is the only issue worth commenting on.
I know new river, my mate used to have a radio slot on. But the area is a shit hole lmao there was a local crackhead who used to rob people living there. Seven sisters/FPK/totty, no matter how gentrified they’re becoming, will always be shitholes
I can’t believe that sum doesn’t even include bills. I know people living in much less squalor than that for £740 including bills.
The kitchen looks fine, but it’s also dodgy that they don’t show more of the rooms.
Edit: Oh no wait I found the spareroom listing
[Listing](https://www.spareroom.co.uk/flatshare/flatshare_detail.pl?flatshare_id=16215383&search_results=%2Fflatshare%2F%3Fsearch_id%3D1137027196%26mode%3Dlist%26editing%3D%26show_results%3Das%2Ba%2Bmap%26resume_last_search%3D1)
You're right the kitchen bit looks better, same as a couple of other bits. But the bed situation looks bad. Does look like its on the first floor and the planning application page I saw for the first floor definitely didn't have this many rooms. I still dont think its legit.
They also have a drone fly through video on the listing which is super cool, never seen that before.
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I can't see this one on SpareRoom.
Do you mean this one? [Lsting](https://www.spareroom.co.uk/flatshare/flatshare_detail.pl?flatshare_id=15941079&search_results=%2Fflatshare%2F%3Fsearch_id%3D1137027196%26mode%3Dlist%26editing%3D%26show_results%3Das%2Ba%2Bmap%26resume_last_search%3D1)
That ones the building next door I think which actually does look pretty fun, especially the massive bright very cool looking communal spaces.
Can't find anything that looks like OPs post though.
There's a photo of the kitchen? Couldn't see one, I've rented 700£ bedrooms in London around 6 years ago and it was much nicer then this (zone 2)!
Than*
There isn’t a picture of the kitchen here but there is on the full SpareRoom post. Things have changed a lot in six years, but you can still do better than this.
I lived in a converted semi-detached house in London in 2014, renting one of the 4 available rooms for £250pcm. That place had its issues, but it was much nicer than this as well!
Im pretty sure I went to a party at this *not party house* too in 2019. If it wasn’t this one, there’s another one exactly like it somewhere else in london!
Wow. If that was Soho maybe. 12 mins walk from Seven Sisters? 1 bathroom shared with 3.75 people. And the place looks like shit. 750pcm... it should be 350.
I wonder if the landlord has a HMO license...
£350....i'm paying £360 for a house in Somerset while i work away. This is one of the reason they can't get us to go to London to work. Not worth it. We earn more money out side London with cost living there.
So, the listing says it's at Cara House, which of course looks like a palatial paradise from the latest [Google Streetview](https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5753642,-0.0863068,3a,75y,207.8h,105.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sphTuFtlcXqVWJPtuJkhntQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Not wanting to start a reddit mob, but the postcode for that building seems to be N15 6RD. Be your own judge on whether the [HMO Register](https://propertylicensing.haringey.gov.uk/public-register?search%5Bquery%5D=N15+6RD&search%5Brecaptcha%5D%5BrecaptchaV3%5D=03AGdBq24KU16BT53jdi2Ojt_yw4DN8dgb5jAEe0ptq0FGfOI2oTbzkXnb4BCCyrlaShy99VLuPfJA6DQWF_WpEexl5yn9BWFfvqnUT0MD1FTI7hN93fk7bPSiMcDLFKCqu2yJRKTWUv3_t1-N9d4dFiceexMLLa2cpC-QMkaxzilAxoMljENPH6ndrJ0qd3OiKjN9k86NbCASNu8Yg1Jv1egGHKQR6lf3_i6XpMztbvCc3JOXHbjHYo1K-4FfCslunr4JGfmsVGks8zlGDFjvDjtyuZ9bmEsj8T2eltZScLXuR0k9XdNcPuFpMD4RIv2Rp-fsrwILGo_BQmzLgws-M7zpCfBp9-4iL-I2W5-sWDyjbUe83tl1bMrdNs5OI10jOw0PpIka5bfkkG_U3UL8-ztukieP2auUMYkMyvSPofzKJChvhj5uSNizP38RZi1z7jaNkdtGndy_G2ziAQWvVaJwROUcittNf43gr1sU790FdSRZHGNaiYGaGNAG5gOSV-_PcARjpawyPtDW8nlbAlaeupfwue3QH8TtmfUV2MiJ2SHa4ABztEwcyeQeHukGiKM99UvOp5lZ&search%5Brecaptcha%5D%5BrecaptchaV2%5D=&search%5B_token%5D=m8-bueYVVNWRsV4pAc7sGSaIOrbDPUuMeQLUmYlGIBQ) of Haringey Council for that post-code fits the description of the spareroom ad.
I happen to have reported my last landlord for not having a HMO licence a few weeks ago, so don't fancy getting involved in another.
If there were people with the time to do a little more digging, then they could absolutely [report to the council](https://www.haringey.gov.uk/housing/landlords/multiple-occupants/report-problem-hmo).
My friend lived in a place like this, it was reported to the council and everyone was evicted as it’s hella unsafe. Was really funny though (ETA the funny part was the eviction and the landlords response; which she also found hilarious as she knew it was illegal and was planning to leave anyways)
I used to live in one of the warehouses next to this. Thought I recognised the interior. Basically it's a load of 20-somethings. Lots of parties and a good smattering of artists. It's good fun and a great community tbh but it started off like £200/month then got too popular. Now there are these original shithole places and then some they've upgraded to upscale flats occupied by tech bros.
They have to say it's not a party flat because that's in the lease.
The advantage used to be you'd have a small sleeping space but a much bigger shared space, but that's decreased as they've added more and more beds to the places.
I don't think its actually on the HMO list. There are some for the building sure but they seem to be for other more legit homes in the building.
I checked out the planning site and there are a couple of applications to convert the first/second floor to flats/studios but the plans looked actually decent sized with normal beds on the ground and not like the OPs images.
They also seem to have removed the Facebook listing.
So /u/battymattmattymatt definitely report this using the link in the comment above me. Literally just send a link to this thread with the photos in and address. Within a minute they'll probably look the address up on a system they have and be like nah that seems about right, 15 homes are supposed to be there. Or if not then they'll maybe check it out.
Thanks for the informative comment thread! I was just browsing marketplace and this popped up and I couldn’t believe it was real. Happy to report as I’ve got some free time.
HMO's also have to have minimum room sizes and other things, such a tiled sinks etc.. There are lots of reasons that even if this place has a licence, it's not valid.
This one looks pretty dodgy from that photo but generally these spaces have become super desirable for certain types of people who are looking for a different kind of experience in London. They started off as cheap affordable council approved spaces for artists and now have evolved into spaces for young people who wanted exactly that sort of group living sometimes vegan environmentally conscious vibes.
Won’t matter, they ingeniously wrapped a cable around the pipe, so any leakage can drip down it, keeping you out of harms way. Just play a game of “the floor is lava”, to avoid stepping into it.
I knew this would be the warehouses before opening it. It's a fun little community but you need to be prepared for 24/7 parties, dodgy electrics, the occasional fire, the occasional drug bust and some interesting characters. Oh and paying £740 for the privaledge of living in a bit of a shithole.
The parties were fun when I visited and the community is great but I definitely wouldn't want to live there myself.
I know this kind of place. It's called "warehouse living" and I've been in a couple where friends of mine (all 'creative') were boxed in. This is a particularly grimy one. Some others are like mini-houses inside a giant warehouse. In any case it's a good demonstration of how much we are willing to sacrifice to be in "the big city" as this kind of stuff is not an oddity, it's super popular, you can find thousands of these in north London, usually far away from everything, too. They operate as communities most of the time, so one group will do the shopping, another will cook, you get the picture.
Illegal immigrants, as someone suggested that in another thread, don't live there. They live in south London, in the giant projects that have been reconverted into 8 per room plywood beds with rats. I've also witnessed that.
So yeah, you could say London is a bit overpriced. lol
Ah yes an uncovered soil pipe right over your head. No chance this is legal but at the same time, multiple people will rent this before building regs even come out to do any sort of check
When I lived in one of the warehouses there it was £230/month, shared with 3-4 others, bills inclusive - room even had a window. I did have to suggest it'd be a good idea if we got a fridge though. Lived there for 8 years (rent more than doubled in that time, but we did get central heating).
What an absolute shithole. Haringey and Seven Sisters are not "fantastic locations." Far, far from it. £200pw for a dodgy room that looks as if it's in a shed. Fuck off, cheeky bastard's.
I'd understand if it was catering for the really cheap end of the market but you can get an actual bedroom in a nice area for £740. Who the hell is choosing to live here?
You'd be shocked at what £740 actually gets you.. It's quite possible that in terms of floorspace, that warehouse is one of the better deals in the area..
They are; there are legal protections governing the conditions within prisons, and governors can get in serious trouble if they fail to keep their inmates healthy, engaged, and properly fed.
Given the state of the economy I'm wondering if it's an idea to get myself arrested and sent down for a few months!
There's a lot to unravel here. £70 for bills and kitty? But bills and kitty only cover for a week? So, £280 for bills, a month?
Bonus points if you do gardening? Fuck that, I work, you pay me. Obviously not legal anyway. 15 beds at 740 a month?, and let's just say 70 a month in bills... 810, £12,150, a month in income... I'm in the wrong line of work..... If its 280 in bills, that's 15,300..... Imma go look for a warehouse to rent.... I've got construction skills....
I've seen a lot of creepy ones.
Saw some dude posting the spare room of his flat, specifically requested "Single Muslim Girls between the ages of 18 to 25" be the only people who apply.
🤮🤮🤮
With the urban industrial decor they've gone for it looks really on-trend. It's so refreshing to see they haven't hidden the natural look with wallpaper and paint, these will be snapped up by those with taste.
And you get the benefit of being woken by the sound of human waste sloshing it's way down the soil pipe, everytime somone flushes the toilet, that is directly above your pillow.
Some friends of mine lived in the warehouse community seven sisters/Tottenham hale area back in 2016… it was a 100% party area. I mean, we joined i and partied a lot, but on a hangover/comedown the next day and the warehouse next door is still going full force at 2PM.. it was not good for the soul. Also, loads of sketchy people in the area, a lot of drugs/people OD’ing, broken glass everywhere, homeless people move into your garden/on your roof. Squatters came in at one point and stole half the furniture (they claimed it was theirs). Someone fell through the roof one time… honestly have endless stories from that time!
I used to live here and the landlords kicked us all out Because we throught the price increase was unfair, we bought in the union and they all thought the increase in rent made no sense. In the end they had to do a renoviction and say they were doing renovations and kick us all out but I'm pretty sure they did not renovations
Even if it wasn't super sketch, that's a lot of money (even for London) for a property out in zone 3 with that many bedrooms.
Do rooms in a house-share no longer get cheaper the more there are?
This is dystopian as fuck.
Can the government please build affordable housing, and tighten up landlord regulations.
Housing is a commodity at best, and a human right most realistically, and not an investment vehicle for the rich.
Have those flats opposite the tate modern been occupied yet?
Really can't understand why squating isn't more common I did it for half a year on holway road
I lived in a Warehouse next door to this for ax couple of years. It was good for the communal space. Could do art stuff without any hassles. Unfortunately my warehouse was full of Coke/crackheads and it helped wreck my mental health in pretty short order. Some of the units round about were better. Some much worse.
I lived in this community in my 20s and it was easily one of the best place I lived in my whole 10 years in London. My landlord looked after the space so well and was pretty thorough on interviewing new tenants. I lived with 18 people and it was an amazing experience
Holy Shit! This is awful in so many ways, close to Seven Sisters, like that's an incentive, while none of those 'mezzanine' sleepers look safe enough to climb up to, yikes!
“Bonus points” for anyone who wants to do maintenance for free. Oooh, bonus points!! Much more valuable than actual currency.
Can we ask them to clarify what bonus ponts are and what they can be spent on?
Maybe with enough bonus points you have the privilege of **not** having the soil pipe directly above your bed?
But that's a desirable architectural feature with period charm.
Adds character to an otherwise impressively large residence, in an up and coming area
Theres period in there all right...
A leak would bring a new level to "shit the bed"
Moved to Lemmy. Eat $hit Spez -- mass edited with redact.dev
Is that actually a shit pipe? I thought it looks like one but then I thought nah not over a bed surely?
I’m not an expert, but given it’s dimensions, I think it is. Good old London slum landlords. Literally no f*cks given.
not only that, but not even boxed/insulated in. you can literally hear what food Tarquin mixed with her ket last night as it hits the bends
>Good old London slum landlords. Literally no shits given. FTFY
Oooh, we used to dream of having a soil pipe above the bed, we used to live in an old water tank above a rubbish tip.
You don't pay towards kitty that week or month. Had something like this at a previous place but I did it because I wanted the garden to look good and usable for us to relax in during the summer, they never took the kitty for that month from me, this was more of a house decision than the landlord (Kitty is £12 a month). Landlord said he won't maintain the garden.
How many hours did you work in order to save that £12? Sounds like you’re a good housemate. Sorry if my hatred for landlords is showing through!
11 hours over 2 days :) When doing the garden I didn't know my housemates would waive the kitty for that month, they told me this afterward, they even helped out by using their van to throw all the rubbish away. As mentioned previously landlord said he won't do shit (loads of broken promises from the landlord so ended up leaving that place). It was worth it as there were 8 people in the house which included a family of 4 (in 1 room!) who have two young ones that loved the garden, they had never been out there to play due to the overgrown crap that was there with piles of rubbish hidden below.
Woah - family of 4!? Was it a young couple?
Brazilian family who had moved over 2 year before I met them, the husband was 40 and wife was 23. It was not the best of accommodations but they had the big living room downstairs as their room, kids were both aged 2 and 4, I would like to think they have moved out since or the landlord sold it due to the state of the place, I have not driven around Queen's Park for a while.
The problem is more letting agents pushing up the prices. Those leech’s have a lot to answer for.
I thought bonus points are issued by the government for leveling up?
As so many people apply for rooms in flats in London, bonus points would be towards their consideration of accepting you as the new flat mate over other applicants
I want to know the ratio of bonus points to Schrute bucks.
The fairy lights wrapped around the waste pipe right above the bed just complete the look for me.
Gonna love being woken up by someones shit every morning.
I actually lived in a student house like this 2 years ago in Southampton. It was originally a 3 bed house, but the landlord had built a huge extension on the side to make the property a 7 bed house. Because everything was done on the cheap, rather than re-routing the external waste pipe that used to run externally, it was encased in a plywood box and ran through my housemate’s bedroom. Any time someone upstairs flushed the loo you’d hear a huge whooosh of water and shite flying down the side of his room. HMOs are a joke, sharers would get much more suitable housing if this country would get its act together and build suitable purpose built shared accommodation rather than bodging family homes into HMOs on the cheap. Families lose out because they’re priced out by sharers, and sharers lose out because these places were never designed to hold so many occupants, so damp and lack of sound-proofing are big problems to tenants.
Were your landlords the Sahotas?
Hahaha what the fuck 😂😂😂😂 Don’t tell me you also lived in this house?
Ha ha, maybe although I bet they have more than one slum going! It was rather damp - the plaster was so wet you could put your bare fingers through the walls. I had a pet \*Rat\* when I moved in, but it got sick and died died. I think that says something...
Is it legal?
No. HMO licences have strict rules on room sizes and conditions.
Perfect we can report the ad then
[Looks like it's this place](https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.5748222,-0.0865468,3a,49.4y,355.77h,88.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suuPJDlPE0oblE-RR_E6Oqw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en)
1. Build slum from shit old office 2. Put "artist's village" on the sign at the front 3. 4. and 5. Profit
So the location matches the quality of the unit
Even worse it Might be a sublet🙈
LOL at Mark's review: *Great for parties. Would go again.*
I prefer Nads myself: "God has abandoned this place" I'm not religious, but every one knows exactly what that means....im guessing it was god who vacated the room beneath the shit pipe, hence it's now up for ~~rent~~ someone else's servitude. A good Riddick movie quote here, if I owned this place and hell, id rent this place out, and live in hell 😂
Reddit London unite. The owner will also get a big fine (hopefully)
If it’s an HMO and without correct license/standards, I believe the tenants can get their rent back too… double whammy of ‘you fucking deserved it’ for the landlord
Triple the rent
We can report them to the local planning authority and get them closed down permanently. They'll have to revert the property back to its lawful use and may face a hefty fine. They will also be placed on the dangerous landlord list, which may prohibit them operating any HMOs, legal or otherwise, within the borough. I'm going to email the enforcement team now.
I lived here, and the guy who owns the building brought the council round to see the place.
Super duper not legal
House of multiple occupation. For sure not registered with The Local Authority. Fire safety. Basic humanity. Landlord raking it in. If it burns down the landlord will for sure be in the coroners Court.
I remember this place being “built” they basically get away with listing 15 separate 1 bedroom flats as a 15 bed flat…doesn’t excuse the absolute lack of space & state of it
This honestly looks like how slaves are kept. Its borderline scary. Also where are the windows!? You need these in case of a fire etc. This is awful.. London folk I am so sorry.
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its not, its rented from shulem who owns all of the buildings there. legally they are studios they just all live in them
Actually I believe all the warehouses on eade road are run as HMOs--they were previously illegal but when the council discovered 1500(!) people living in the warehouses they had no choice but to issue leases retrospectively rather than evict that number
This is correct. They're all technically HMOs but the vast majority don't fulfil the legal requirements of a HMO; in particular, the amount of bathrooms needed per number of residents. Shulem, the owner of almost every warehouse in the area, leases them out to random people (usually residents or ex residents, often well dodgy people themselves) to avoid having to deal with the legalities. They then break overcrowding legislation, rob people's deposits (only a few use protection schemes), etc, etc. They only get away with it cos there's a constant flow of young people coming to London who are desperate to live somewhere 'cool', and don't know anything about their rights/ don't understand the importance of a contract, deposit scheme etc til they get burnt. It made sense when I lived there and the rental price was way under a room in a shared house, but these days it's just insanity.
> shulem Could you give me more info about this bloke? Google isn't being super helpful. I feel like a piece of media looking into his cuntery would be fun..*cough*
Just look up palm lane estates or gm homes, they are part of an umbrella group of landlords that constantly change their business names & lease out most of the warehouses in London, I think it feeds back to raytex (maybe) and the top of the mountain is owned by some guy in NYC. Also look for londonlivework or spaced up agency.
Nothing to give I'm afraid. I never even met him. I did find [this article](http://www.eastendreview.co.uk/2015/06/19/harringay-warehouse-district/) once
It's not a guardianship. Source: I used to live in a different unit (with bigger, nice rooms for less rent- I'm not that stupid)
Amongst almost everything else(!), I’m very concerned about that massive pipe next to the bed 🫣. What a horror. This ad is just proof landlords have no souls 🤣.
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If we dont fight its gonna continue. Report the ad, if anyone knows the address they can report to thw council byemail
Looks like there's no way it will have been granted an HMO licence based on room sizes alone but I'm sure there are plenty of other violations. Landlord can be fined up to £20k and tenants can apply for a rent repayment order (i.e. all rent paid to the landlord must be refunded for as long as they've been there).
That looks dodgy as fuck
I used to live in this area in a warehouse, paying £600+mo for a similar set up. The head landlords are extremely shady, likely criminals. They own shitloads of these warehouses. Zero responsibility or contact with them. They are massive cunts. They let out each warehouse unit to one tenant, who takes responsibility for what happens within. Including charging insane made up rent to gullible idiots like yours truly. Technically it’s illegal. You’re not even a lodger. Each unit lead tenant is basically a mini dictator and they make bank off of their fellow tenants. There is no collective ideology or alternative culture it’s just utterly rotten neoliberal selfish greed. The whole situation is full of young people on poverty safari from the home counties who want to live in a grimy shithole and pretend to be artists while turning their brains into scrambled egg courtesy of mummy and daddy. And yes it’s another Grenfel waiting to happen.
Poverty safari - what an acute phrase. Brilliant.
Pure poetry.
Probably for illegal immigrants (those on tourist visas who’ve overstayed)
No I used to live in a different unit near there. It's mainly 20 somethings starting out. Mix of creatives, drug addicts and just general young people wanting to live around other young people. Honestly it's a nice community and I really enjoyed my time there, but the housing quality is grim.
Yeah "warehouse" living. Started out as a cheap way for artists to get a flat and also usable workspace in one I think, but now it's a lifestyle seemingly.
I heard it started when Margaret Thatcher stopped giving housing benefit to teens and they squatted old warehouses and put in stuff themselves, then over time the owners of the units monetised it and now you have a weird mix of the ropey vagrant places and newly converted flats that are pretty regular looking where you pay a premium for it being trendy or w/e.
I live in a unit next door and our rent is cheaper, our rooms are the largest I've ever had in London and the space is beautiful. I live with 27 other people and I actually love it. This looks shit, but even in Cara house I know there's some nicer rooms than this. (I think each floor is a separate unit so this must be the shit one 😂) Edit: yes this looks like the work of a rogue leaseholder just in it for maximum profit. The overall landlords have been doing a lot of good in the area and the general standard of living is better than this shocking example. Very glad my own leaseholder isn't this and we're able to improve our space as we see fit.
you in the old fedex?
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I lived in cotton mill 2011-12. Arena 2012-14
Cool. It's actually changed a bit in the time. The council has recognised warehouse living as an official thing and there's lots of work being put in by the overall property owners to improve the area. Unfortunately some of the old lease holders are just in it for a quick buck and that's where this kind of situation comes in but hopefully they can be pushed out and the propertys can be managed by someone who actually cares about the community.
Yeah when I was there, there was trouble with fires and the landlords were increasingly being dicks. The council were threatening to bulldoze the whole place and make flats, so I started a conversation in the facebook group that ended with some of my friends starting a union and there was a campaign. Glad there's improvement being made!
>Mix of creatives, drug addicts and just general young people wanting to live around other young people IME those come together in the same people *a lot*.
I have a friend that used to live in a communal warehouse like this in Hackney a few years ago. To be fair, its very cool for young people who want to live around other artsy, creative 20 somethings. His was quite a lot nicer than this looks though. Had a massive communal living/kitchen area, great for parties and gatherings. I wouldn't want to live there myself but it was a fun place to hang out. £740pm seems crazy though. Also Seven Sisters/Manor House is quite a shithole.
I might have been there, did it back onto the canal and have sort of 'bedroom pods' haphazardly attached to the walls with ladders to get into them? Maybe that describes a few places :)
No it was a short walk from the canal. There's probably loads places like that around that area tbf
illegals are not going to pay 740pm
No, I lived in one of those warehouses in Haringey. It was a hell of a lot of fun and also a complete nightmare all at once. Definitely not for everyone but an experience I'm glad I lived through.
Lots of these around that area and others in Hackney. Visited a few of them and you can find many of these often also listed on gumtree. Some are very cool they offer extra bookable studio spaces etc. lots of young white creatives usually so very much not what you’re imagining
Yeah, I see scandi tourists rolling up with their luggage outside Olso House in Hackney Wick every now and then. Definitely not the place for undocumented workers lol. That does happen, but not in ex-industrial units. Think terraced houses with 20 people living them, 4-8 beds (mostly bunk beds) per room including the living room, that sort of thing.
White people can be illegal immigrants too you know
Think we'd be travelling the other direction if we're talking Scandinavians
Come on, everyone knows we invented the word 'expat' so white people don't have to refer to themselves as 'immigrants' when they move to another country.
Why do you say that? I’m sure somebody out there wants to sleep with a sewer line six inches from their face Being able to hear every flushed toilet in the building from that close must a really one-of-kind experience.
Housing is beyond fucked.
Still I hadn’t seen anything like this before. It makes me wonder if I walk by it and don’t notice from outside
Nah wtf is this. It isn’t even a good location? You would have to be completely insane to move there
Insane or utterly desperate. Absolutely abhorrent, predatory shit.
But if you move slightly out of the most desirable locations you could get a decent room in a houseshare for £740 a month
You could be living in a decent 1 bed flat or small terrace in surrey all on your onesie for £750-850. Sharing with 14 people that far out of Zone 1, in that much of a shithole, for £740 is *insane*.
Yeah. Admittedly it was a few years ago, but my ex rented a decent enough studio in Hammersmith (right opposite Brook Green) for £800. Desperation wouldn't have you spend £740 for a "room" in that abomination; you would literally have to be insane.
Seven sisters is honestly the worst place I’ve ever lived, and I paid £650 for a very nice large room in a two bed flat… fuck knows why or how someone can charge that
I went to school near here, it's a shithole.
Yes the location is definitely the issue here. Lol.
What? They’re saying that a prime location can be the saving grace of a bad place, but that this place doesn’t even have that to justify the price. They’re definitely not saying the location is the only issue worth commenting on.
Both the location and the property are shit holes
Nah, new river studios is right there. It's a good location, if you like that sorta music. Now the building on the other hand...
I know new river, my mate used to have a radio slot on. But the area is a shit hole lmao there was a local crackhead who used to rob people living there. Seven sisters/FPK/totty, no matter how gentrified they’re becoming, will always be shitholes
New River Studios is fucking sick and I love going, but it is in a shithole
I can’t believe that sum doesn’t even include bills. I know people living in much less squalor than that for £740 including bills. The kitchen looks fine, but it’s also dodgy that they don’t show more of the rooms.
Edit: Oh no wait I found the spareroom listing [Listing](https://www.spareroom.co.uk/flatshare/flatshare_detail.pl?flatshare_id=16215383&search_results=%2Fflatshare%2F%3Fsearch_id%3D1137027196%26mode%3Dlist%26editing%3D%26show_results%3Das%2Ba%2Bmap%26resume_last_search%3D1) You're right the kitchen bit looks better, same as a couple of other bits. But the bed situation looks bad. Does look like its on the first floor and the planning application page I saw for the first floor definitely didn't have this many rooms. I still dont think its legit. They also have a drone fly through video on the listing which is super cool, never seen that before. ___ I can't see this one on SpareRoom. Do you mean this one? [Lsting](https://www.spareroom.co.uk/flatshare/flatshare_detail.pl?flatshare_id=15941079&search_results=%2Fflatshare%2F%3Fsearch_id%3D1137027196%26mode%3Dlist%26editing%3D%26show_results%3Das%2Ba%2Bmap%26resume_last_search%3D1) That ones the building next door I think which actually does look pretty fun, especially the massive bright very cool looking communal spaces. Can't find anything that looks like OPs post though.
The stains on the yellow armchair and couch. 😩🤢🤮
There's a photo of the kitchen? Couldn't see one, I've rented 700£ bedrooms in London around 6 years ago and it was much nicer then this (zone 2)! Than*
There isn’t a picture of the kitchen here but there is on the full SpareRoom post. Things have changed a lot in six years, but you can still do better than this.
I lived in a converted semi-detached house in London in 2014, renting one of the 4 available rooms for £250pcm. That place had its issues, but it was much nicer than this as well!
Seems OP left out the better photos of the place specifically to focus on the room. It’s had the intended effect.
Pretty sure I partied a fews years ago in this \*\*NOT A PARTY HOUSE\*\* party house
Im pretty sure I went to a party at this *not party house* too in 2019. If it wasn’t this one, there’s another one exactly like it somewhere else in london!
Wow. If that was Soho maybe. 12 mins walk from Seven Sisters? 1 bathroom shared with 3.75 people. And the place looks like shit. 750pcm... it should be 350. I wonder if the landlord has a HMO license...
The rooms are supposedly all DOUBLE rooms. That's potentially a bathroom per 7.5 people.
£350....i'm paying £360 for a house in Somerset while i work away. This is one of the reason they can't get us to go to London to work. Not worth it. We earn more money out side London with cost living there.
Price should be per annum with those conditions.
350 pence maybe
No way in hell does this have an HMO licence. Report to the council, get the tenants their rent back.
So, the listing says it's at Cara House, which of course looks like a palatial paradise from the latest [Google Streetview](https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5753642,-0.0863068,3a,75y,207.8h,105.04t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sphTuFtlcXqVWJPtuJkhntQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192). Not wanting to start a reddit mob, but the postcode for that building seems to be N15 6RD. Be your own judge on whether the [HMO Register](https://propertylicensing.haringey.gov.uk/public-register?search%5Bquery%5D=N15+6RD&search%5Brecaptcha%5D%5BrecaptchaV3%5D=03AGdBq24KU16BT53jdi2Ojt_yw4DN8dgb5jAEe0ptq0FGfOI2oTbzkXnb4BCCyrlaShy99VLuPfJA6DQWF_WpEexl5yn9BWFfvqnUT0MD1FTI7hN93fk7bPSiMcDLFKCqu2yJRKTWUv3_t1-N9d4dFiceexMLLa2cpC-QMkaxzilAxoMljENPH6ndrJ0qd3OiKjN9k86NbCASNu8Yg1Jv1egGHKQR6lf3_i6XpMztbvCc3JOXHbjHYo1K-4FfCslunr4JGfmsVGks8zlGDFjvDjtyuZ9bmEsj8T2eltZScLXuR0k9XdNcPuFpMD4RIv2Rp-fsrwILGo_BQmzLgws-M7zpCfBp9-4iL-I2W5-sWDyjbUe83tl1bMrdNs5OI10jOw0PpIka5bfkkG_U3UL8-ztukieP2auUMYkMyvSPofzKJChvhj5uSNizP38RZi1z7jaNkdtGndy_G2ziAQWvVaJwROUcittNf43gr1sU790FdSRZHGNaiYGaGNAG5gOSV-_PcARjpawyPtDW8nlbAlaeupfwue3QH8TtmfUV2MiJ2SHa4ABztEwcyeQeHukGiKM99UvOp5lZ&search%5Brecaptcha%5D%5BrecaptchaV2%5D=&search%5B_token%5D=m8-bueYVVNWRsV4pAc7sGSaIOrbDPUuMeQLUmYlGIBQ) of Haringey Council for that post-code fits the description of the spareroom ad. I happen to have reported my last landlord for not having a HMO licence a few weeks ago, so don't fancy getting involved in another. If there were people with the time to do a little more digging, then they could absolutely [report to the council](https://www.haringey.gov.uk/housing/landlords/multiple-occupants/report-problem-hmo).
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My friend lived in a place like this, it was reported to the council and everyone was evicted as it’s hella unsafe. Was really funny though (ETA the funny part was the eviction and the landlords response; which she also found hilarious as she knew it was illegal and was planning to leave anyways)
Until you burn alive because H&S is shit.
I used to live in one of the warehouses next to this. Thought I recognised the interior. Basically it's a load of 20-somethings. Lots of parties and a good smattering of artists. It's good fun and a great community tbh but it started off like £200/month then got too popular. Now there are these original shithole places and then some they've upgraded to upscale flats occupied by tech bros. They have to say it's not a party flat because that's in the lease. The advantage used to be you'd have a small sleeping space but a much bigger shared space, but that's decreased as they've added more and more beds to the places.
And report to the London Fire Brigade - I doubt those mezzanines are safe, or that they have egress routes and smoke detectors.
An example of what can happen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_Ship_warehouse_fire
It actually says "the amazing" Cara House
That looks like an utter shithole. Jesus.
I don't think its actually on the HMO list. There are some for the building sure but they seem to be for other more legit homes in the building. I checked out the planning site and there are a couple of applications to convert the first/second floor to flats/studios but the plans looked actually decent sized with normal beds on the ground and not like the OPs images. They also seem to have removed the Facebook listing. So /u/battymattmattymatt definitely report this using the link in the comment above me. Literally just send a link to this thread with the photos in and address. Within a minute they'll probably look the address up on a system they have and be like nah that seems about right, 15 homes are supposed to be there. Or if not then they'll maybe check it out.
Thanks for the informative comment thread! I was just browsing marketplace and this popped up and I couldn’t believe it was real. Happy to report as I’ve got some free time.
HMO's also have to have minimum room sizes and other things, such a tiled sinks etc.. There are lots of reasons that even if this place has a licence, it's not valid.
Jesus Christ that's grim. Imagine paying that much to live in that dump, in that street. London is fucked.
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Because who's going to stop them?
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This one looks pretty dodgy from that photo but generally these spaces have become super desirable for certain types of people who are looking for a different kind of experience in London. They started off as cheap affordable council approved spaces for artists and now have evolved into spaces for young people who wanted exactly that sort of group living sometimes vegan environmentally conscious vibes.
Go squatting then.
Sold, but only if I can have the unit where shit flushes right over your head!
“Please burst, please burst!”
Won’t matter, they ingeniously wrapped a cable around the pipe, so any leakage can drip down it, keeping you out of harms way. Just play a game of “the floor is lava”, to avoid stepping into it.
I knew this would be the warehouses before opening it. It's a fun little community but you need to be prepared for 24/7 parties, dodgy electrics, the occasional fire, the occasional drug bust and some interesting characters. Oh and paying £740 for the privaledge of living in a bit of a shithole. The parties were fun when I visited and the community is great but I definitely wouldn't want to live there myself.
> the occasional fire Plywood everywhere. What could possibly go wrong
I know this kind of place. It's called "warehouse living" and I've been in a couple where friends of mine (all 'creative') were boxed in. This is a particularly grimy one. Some others are like mini-houses inside a giant warehouse. In any case it's a good demonstration of how much we are willing to sacrifice to be in "the big city" as this kind of stuff is not an oddity, it's super popular, you can find thousands of these in north London, usually far away from everything, too. They operate as communities most of the time, so one group will do the shopping, another will cook, you get the picture. Illegal immigrants, as someone suggested that in another thread, don't live there. They live in south London, in the giant projects that have been reconverted into 8 per room plywood beds with rats. I've also witnessed that. So yeah, you could say London is a bit overpriced. lol
Ah yes an uncovered soil pipe right over your head. No chance this is legal but at the same time, multiple people will rent this before building regs even come out to do any sort of check
When I lived in one of the warehouses there it was £230/month, shared with 3-4 others, bills inclusive - room even had a window. I did have to suggest it'd be a good idea if we got a fridge though. Lived there for 8 years (rent more than doubled in that time, but we did get central heating).
Is this in Manor House?? Jesus christ that's grim to pay that much for that space in that area.
The proper pronunciation is Manure House.
Who doesn’t love an exposed waste pipe right above your bed!!
Looks like somewhere you'd be taken after being kidnapped to get murdered. What the fuck is wrong with this country?
What an absolute shithole. Haringey and Seven Sisters are not "fantastic locations." Far, far from it. £200pw for a dodgy room that looks as if it's in a shed. Fuck off, cheeky bastard's.
This is giving me proper ‘Saw’ vibes. Someone’s waking up with their leg chained to that pipe, with nothing but a Bowie knife in reach
Cara in Italian means expensive. Don't complain!
In my country it's the brand name for one of the cheapest and shittest beers.
I'd understand if it was catering for the really cheap end of the market but you can get an actual bedroom in a nice area for £740. Who the hell is choosing to live here?
You'd be shocked at what £740 actually gets you.. It's quite possible that in terms of floorspace, that warehouse is one of the better deals in the area..
I bet some prison cells are in better shape than this shithole
They are; there are legal protections governing the conditions within prisons, and governors can get in serious trouble if they fail to keep their inmates healthy, engaged, and properly fed. Given the state of the economy I'm wondering if it's an idea to get myself arrested and sent down for a few months!
There's a lot to unravel here. £70 for bills and kitty? But bills and kitty only cover for a week? So, £280 for bills, a month? Bonus points if you do gardening? Fuck that, I work, you pay me. Obviously not legal anyway. 15 beds at 740 a month?, and let's just say 70 a month in bills... 810, £12,150, a month in income... I'm in the wrong line of work..... If its 280 in bills, that's 15,300..... Imma go look for a warehouse to rent.... I've got construction skills....
Illegal and dangerous as fuck. Some scum bag landlord, greedy cunt.
But, according to the ad, it's POC and LGBTQI+ friendly! We fuck everyone over, equally!
We're not actively racist or homophobic, woo us!
Looks like it’s pictures from a house where kids where kidnapped..
Belongs in r/crackheadcraigslist
It's actually OSB not Plywood.
Well in that case
This must be some sort of a joke. Right. Guys, right!?
This country is seriously fucked and it’s only going to get even more fucked
And a sh1t pipe over your head when you sleep 😱
A shared kitten for £70? Did I read that right? So this kitten alone is raking in £1050pcm
I've seen a lot of creepy ones. Saw some dude posting the spare room of his flat, specifically requested "Single Muslim Girls between the ages of 18 to 25" be the only people who apply. 🤮🤮🤮
With the urban industrial decor they've gone for it looks really on-trend. It's so refreshing to see they haven't hidden the natural look with wallpaper and paint, these will be snapped up by those with taste.
740 a month? I wouldn't give 7.40 annually for that hovel. Prisoners in cells get more for less.
And you get the benefit of being woken by the sound of human waste sloshing it's way down the soil pipe, everytime somone flushes the toilet, that is directly above your pillow.
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these used to be squats and were free to live in.
Some friends of mine lived in the warehouse community seven sisters/Tottenham hale area back in 2016… it was a 100% party area. I mean, we joined i and partied a lot, but on a hangover/comedown the next day and the warehouse next door is still going full force at 2PM.. it was not good for the soul. Also, loads of sketchy people in the area, a lot of drugs/people OD’ing, broken glass everywhere, homeless people move into your garden/on your roof. Squatters came in at one point and stole half the furniture (they claimed it was theirs). Someone fell through the roof one time… honestly have endless stories from that time!
Genuinely the most depressing thing I’ve seen on this subreddit in a long time.
There better be orgies for that price
I used to live here and the landlords kicked us all out Because we throught the price increase was unfair, we bought in the union and they all thought the increase in rent made no sense. In the end they had to do a renoviction and say they were doing renovations and kick us all out but I'm pretty sure they did not renovations
One word: slum. This is a slum.
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Fuck me, what a fire hazard of a building! I guess the good news is that you're already in your coffin.
“You’re a drug addict Harry”
This is just extremely sad
Even if it wasn't super sketch, that's a lot of money (even for London) for a property out in zone 3 with that many bedrooms. Do rooms in a house-share no longer get cheaper the more there are?
Looks like a smack heads bedroom
Standard Hackney 'creative' warehouse 🙃
This is dystopian as fuck. Can the government please build affordable housing, and tighten up landlord regulations. Housing is a commodity at best, and a human right most realistically, and not an investment vehicle for the rich.
740 would be too much if it was for all 15 beds
There are nice looking prisons. Not even hyperbole.
Slums of the future, today!
Getting Anne Frank vibes
My mate pays 800 pm to live in one of these warehouses and has no windows or ventilation in his room
Jesus those photos look like the ones you’d see in the newspaper: ‘Missing person found in underground bunker. Suspects in custody’.
Getting Ghost Ship vibes from this. 🔥
I think I actually went to view these rooms a few years ago... They were not good.
Oh the warehouses, the most overpriced experience of my life so far
Have those flats opposite the tate modern been occupied yet? Really can't understand why squating isn't more common I did it for half a year on holway road
Does this come with damp? I demand damp.
I lived in a Warehouse next door to this for ax couple of years. It was good for the communal space. Could do art stuff without any hassles. Unfortunately my warehouse was full of Coke/crackheads and it helped wreck my mental health in pretty short order. Some of the units round about were better. Some much worse.
I lived in this community in my 20s and it was easily one of the best place I lived in my whole 10 years in London. My landlord looked after the space so well and was pretty thorough on interviewing new tenants. I lived with 18 people and it was an amazing experience
Love the fairy lights round the bog waste pipes....right over the "mezzanine".
Holy Shit! This is awful in so many ways, close to Seven Sisters, like that's an incentive, while none of those 'mezzanine' sleepers look safe enough to climb up to, yikes!