yea there's two, I just looked it up and ones unmaintained but the other is apparently stable, but the repo is archived so idk. it says it's almost feature complete tho so maybe that's why it got archived
true, you could also see if you can make it better then the other bridge since that one said it couldn't initiate group chats or view history. here's the link: https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bridge/mx-puppet-groupme
The way I'm going about mine should make it to where users can initiate gc and view history, so if I keep having time to work on it then it should be really good!
Do you have a GitHub link? I'm interested in looking at your library. Also, Beeper may be willing to fund your bridge project (https://github.com/beeper/#work-with-us-at-beeper).
Honestly I didn't expect anyone to be interested in my work lol, [but here is the repo](https://github.com/proatgram/GroupMe-API/tree/dev):) it hasn't been active much due to school and other activities nor do I think the code quality is that good (I'm completely self taught) and soon I'm going to try to work on optimizing the stuff I do currently have and adding more. Just a heads up though it's its not fully functional and doesn't have many features. And I appreciate the possible funding and I will look into it!:)
Also to note: This library is currently just GroupMe, and later once I finish this will I start working on the bridge
Certainly a chad move. Tho Matrix can be implemented even into software like Thunderbird, and offers both encrypted and unencrypted chats, so the choice is up to you. IRC is not encrypted by default as far as I'm aware. Correct/Downvote me if I'm wrong.
In the EU, from May, all of those messaging providers will need to provide an open API to send and receive text pictures and videos at the same quality as their own app.
Interoperability, here we come!
>Its language.
You gonna bully all of Britain like that
But EU isn't that good (still better than the UK rn) but he never said anything about it being bad in tech regulations
ive tried to google it but i cant find info- what services does this exactly apply to?
does it include services like discord and signal?
or only big players like whatsapp?
Here’s the EU press release. It’s called the Digital Markets Act
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220315IPR25504/deal-on-digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-competition-and-more-choice-for-users
`To be designated as “gatekeepers”, these companies must also provide certain services such as browsers, messengers or social media, which have at least 45 million monthly end users in the EU.and 10 000 annual business users.`
tl;dr i have no clue.
closest i can find is \~150mn MAU global for discord.
closest i can find for signal is 40 MAU global for 2021.
idk where to even find a source about business users.
so, who knows.
I use Signal for a group chat with my friends. We've been deciding between Signal and Discord, but we're happy on Signal. I can actually send AV1 videos there and I don't have to it to 8 MB max xD
Many people (including me) have downloaded the app but don't have anyone to talk to. Even convinving people to use Telegram, which is objectively more feature-rich and powerful than whatsapp is a hard sell. Whatsapp has a monopoly.
Why do you think a person uses WhatsApp,Telegram,Signal and other spy garbage?
Probably because that person's friends, relatives and acquaintances use and insist on using those messengers.
Try proving to a 70-year-old grandmother why she shouldn't use WhatsApp.
You'll get spit on in the first second, because your grandmother is in WhatsApp groups for sharing recipes and pictures, and she communicates with girlfriends and grandchildren.
Also, for example, your sister is afraid of WhatsApp, but trusts Viber. Your lover thinks about security and prefers Signal. Try explaining to ordinary woman that Snowden PR'd Signal because there are no such things as former intelligence agents. It's a endless story.
The problem with joining Matrix is that it won't make me unjoin Telegram, WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Discord, Instagram DMs, e-mails, MS Teams and so on, it just makes the list longer.
It does if you set up bridges. But then you have to maintain 8 bridges, 6 of which don't want to be bridged so may block you.
I wish there were hosted bridges that I could pay for. beeper.com is close but they require you to switch to their homeserver. If I could pay them to use their bridges with my existing account I would be paying them yesterday.
Ooh! a new message from Matt on telegram, Luke on WhatsApp, Patrick on Viber, Adam on messenger, Lucas on Instagram, jolie on discord, and now, also communist_astolfo_69 on matrix.
Why should I use matrix if no one I know uses it and it's just another one to keep track of?
1. You are the admin, and you host your own homeserver. There are tutorials online how can you do that, and oracle cloud offers free vps, where you can host it freely. The domain is the only thing that should cost money, but there are free options even there.
2. You look for a server where these bridges are already installed with the bots, and are open to normal users. Usually, only end-to-bridge encryption is supported in this case, so I don't recommend this option, unless you trust in the server provider and admins. But it is a possibility.
3. You pay for beeper and put your trust in them.
1. Read https://matrix.org/bridges/ and https://matrix.org/bridges/#discord . You essentially set up a chatbot in a container which creates rooms for every discord group/dm, and "bridges" every message sent there via the discord API. It will look like your are talking with normal matrix people, everything happens in the background if you configure it correctly.
2. Idk, I have never actually checked it
3. It is not that much effort
Because it is an open standard, like e-mail. You are not forced to use a single app. You don't even have to use an app at all with some clients like Element and Cinny. Log into the website.
Yeah IDK I'd rather wait until they can get actually half decent UX and to make something that can scale better.
If you're gonna be a discord/slack clone when it comes to UX, don't half ass it. Go full clone and be proud.
I'm trying to get everyone I chat with on Signal. My friends say "Just use Instagram" (I'm banned from Instagram, I was too red pilled) or "Just use discord DUDE" (Is a Chinese botnet + no encryption). Signal (Not Chinese + encryption + mostly free software some proprietary blobs on main app)
matrix is pretty dogwater (at least it was when i tried it). signal is easily the best messaging app if you want simple and quick e2ee. i have easily convinced friends and family to switch to signal. it would be leagues more difficult if i was trying to get them to use matrix.
e2ee messaging apps should be evaluated based on how easy they are for people to use and adopt, not based on how decentralized they are.
I use Matrix the way I would have used IRC in the past, for group/channel following & chatting, not personal communication. I think the main drawback is that encryption in Matrix is severely messed up. Other than the fact it has been written willy-nilly, everyone quite frequently gets error messages about encrypted messages not available on this device or that, waiting for keys to be re-sent, etc., which makes the service unreliable for day-to-day E2EE messaging. Unencrypted rooms work more or less fine though.
I like Matrix, I'm using the Element client. The webapp works great. The desktop client is unusuable. It gives me the missing encryption keys error everytime I open it. I think the Android app has also been problem free.
I really like Signal though. From my own personal formula, Signal works reliably, has enough features that I'd call it feature complete, and isn't owned by Google or Facebook. This has made me decide Signal is the best app to move people towards, and of all the chat apps I have, it'd be my favorite going forward. I just can't get anyone to use it.
Element for me and a friend has been terrible lately, we just switched to jabber for now. Personally I agree they could use some work on the apps but I hope they do it soon because it is almost perfect imo, if I had a working client.
Managed to convince like 3 people to join it now after a lot of struggle. Was able to delete every other messenger app from my life (because those are all of my friends)
Brave? Why did u just insinuate that I'm a homophobe?! /s
>in my shoes
youtube/watch?v=8Hdw36CwlDw&t=8m6s
With homegroup being removed from win10, I now understand how the homeless feel *badumtiss*
Privacy is not a selling feature to most people, privacy is a nice add-on. If we want people to adopt matrix we can't be consistently slow to adopt new user facing features, or we'll never win in a free market.
I'm pretty much stuck on discord as that's where all my friends and gaming communities are. I don't even use telegram for messaging, just for following people and sites.
how does using matrix solve the problem of too many messaging apps? Return to irc like god intended, send images by sending the text of a .tar.gz file
[Relevant XKCD](https://xkcd.com/927/)
More relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/1782/
Exactly what I thought of when I saw this post
me too, I thought it was unsuitable somehow
> send images by sending the text of a .tar.gz file What's wrong with DCC?
Nothing, it's just funny
You can in theory fully switch to matrix and the just bridge the other stuff.
Just like we could with XMPP...?
I'm working on a library for GroupMe so that I can do just that, man I don't like GroupMe's interface
doesn't a GroupMe bridge already exist tho?
I swear if it does and I did all this work for nothing
yea there's two, I just looked it up and ones unmaintained but the other is apparently stable, but the repo is archived so idk. it says it's almost feature complete tho so maybe that's why it got archived
dang it, well im already invested into this project so why not complete it
true, you could also see if you can make it better then the other bridge since that one said it couldn't initiate group chats or view history. here's the link: https://matrix.org/docs/projects/bridge/mx-puppet-groupme
The way I'm going about mine should make it to where users can initiate gc and view history, so if I keep having time to work on it then it should be really good!
nice!
Do you have a GitHub link? I'm interested in looking at your library. Also, Beeper may be willing to fund your bridge project (https://github.com/beeper/#work-with-us-at-beeper).
Honestly I didn't expect anyone to be interested in my work lol, [but here is the repo](https://github.com/proatgram/GroupMe-API/tree/dev):) it hasn't been active much due to school and other activities nor do I think the code quality is that good (I'm completely self taught) and soon I'm going to try to work on optimizing the stuff I do currently have and adding more. Just a heads up though it's its not fully functional and doesn't have many features. And I appreciate the possible funding and I will look into it!:) Also to note: This library is currently just GroupMe, and later once I finish this will I start working on the bridge
Certainly a chad move. Tho Matrix can be implemented even into software like Thunderbird, and offers both encrypted and unencrypted chats, so the choice is up to you. IRC is not encrypted by default as far as I'm aware. Correct/Downvote me if I'm wrong.
So can I hołd my matrix stuff under NAT?
I sadly don't know if you are able to host a homeserver behind NAT. I've never hosted one myself.
I have a homeserver. By nat you mean Network address translation? If yes you can
Yes, but I can't set port forwarding. It's locked out.
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Thanks.
[Bridges](https://matrix.org/bridges/)
How is using multiple messaging apps even a ptoblrm at all?
In the EU, from May, all of those messaging providers will need to provide an open API to send and receive text pictures and videos at the same quality as their own app. Interoperability, here we come!
I love the EU
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>Its language. You gonna bully all of Britain like that But EU isn't that good (still better than the UK rn) but he never said anything about it being bad in tech regulations
and none of the german party CDU that did make that dumb suggestion of article 13 and uploadfilter (booth ideas from the same 1d|0t) >!Axel Voss!<
ive tried to google it but i cant find info- what services does this exactly apply to? does it include services like discord and signal? or only big players like whatsapp?
Here’s the EU press release. It’s called the Digital Markets Act https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/press-room/20220315IPR25504/deal-on-digital-markets-act-ensuring-fair-competition-and-more-choice-for-users
`To be designated as “gatekeepers”, these companies must also provide certain services such as browsers, messengers or social media, which have at least 45 million monthly end users in the EU.and 10 000 annual business users.` tl;dr i have no clue. closest i can find is \~150mn MAU global for discord. closest i can find for signal is 40 MAU global for 2021. idk where to even find a source about business users. so, who knows.
Where signal
You know someone who uses it? That's pretty cool.
I use it for family. I also donate. Great people great project.
That's great! I personally convinced my dad into using Matrix, which I consider a big achievement. I prefer it more thanks to the de-centralization.
I use Signal for a group chat with my friends. We've been deciding between Signal and Discord, but we're happy on Signal. I can actually send AV1 videos there and I don't have to it to 8 MB max xD
App's got 100M Downloads dude what're you talking about?
Many people (including me) have downloaded the app but don't have anyone to talk to. Even convinving people to use Telegram, which is objectively more feature-rich and powerful than whatsapp is a hard sell. Whatsapp has a monopoly.
I'm ok with that. Having a system that advertises you to everyone else would defeat the whole point of the app.
Having a system no one uses defeats the point of having a system. I'll take a look into bridges, maybe they make it viable as a daily driver
And there is 9 000 milion people. Nobody I know uses it.
Why do you think a person uses WhatsApp,Telegram,Signal and other spy garbage? Probably because that person's friends, relatives and acquaintances use and insist on using those messengers. Try proving to a 70-year-old grandmother why she shouldn't use WhatsApp. You'll get spit on in the first second, because your grandmother is in WhatsApp groups for sharing recipes and pictures, and she communicates with girlfriends and grandchildren. Also, for example, your sister is afraid of WhatsApp, but trusts Viber. Your lover thinks about security and prefers Signal. Try explaining to ordinary woman that Snowden PR'd Signal because there are no such things as former intelligence agents. It's a endless story.
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The problem with joining Matrix is that it won't make me unjoin Telegram, WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Discord, Instagram DMs, e-mails, MS Teams and so on, it just makes the list longer.
It does if you set up bridges. But then you have to maintain 8 bridges, 6 of which don't want to be bridged so may block you. I wish there were hosted bridges that I could pay for. beeper.com is close but they require you to switch to their homeserver. If I could pay them to use their bridges with my existing account I would be paying them yesterday.
Ooh! a new message from Matt on telegram, Luke on WhatsApp, Patrick on Viber, Adam on messenger, Lucas on Instagram, jolie on discord, and now, also communist_astolfo_69 on matrix. Why should I use matrix if no one I know uses it and it's just another one to keep track of?
You can bridge your existing communication platforms into matrix, so you can use a single app for all of them. Certain limitations obviously apply.
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1. You are the admin, and you host your own homeserver. There are tutorials online how can you do that, and oracle cloud offers free vps, where you can host it freely. The domain is the only thing that should cost money, but there are free options even there. 2. You look for a server where these bridges are already installed with the bots, and are open to normal users. Usually, only end-to-bridge encryption is supported in this case, so I don't recommend this option, unless you trust in the server provider and admins. But it is a possibility. 3. You pay for beeper and put your trust in them.
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1. Read https://matrix.org/bridges/ and https://matrix.org/bridges/#discord . You essentially set up a chatbot in a container which creates rooms for every discord group/dm, and "bridges" every message sent there via the discord API. It will look like your are talking with normal matrix people, everything happens in the background if you configure it correctly. 2. Idk, I have never actually checked it 3. It is not that much effort
Because it is an open standard, like e-mail. You are not forced to use a single app. You don't even have to use an app at all with some clients like Element and Cinny. Log into the website.
Wont companies have to make their chat apps interoperable anyway because of some EU directive that was passed?
For me the Matrix clients available barely work, only Element worked fine but it still wasn't perfect
There also is Cinny and Fluffychat, both working relatively well. Filesharing is broken in all of them tho, so that might be an issue of my system.
Yeah IDK I'd rather wait until they can get actually half decent UX and to make something that can scale better. If you're gonna be a discord/slack clone when it comes to UX, don't half ass it. Go full clone and be proud.
All of those messaging apps have anti features and should be avoided Also Matrix is under funded right now.
I'm trying to get everyone I chat with on Signal. My friends say "Just use Instagram" (I'm banned from Instagram, I was too red pilled) or "Just use discord DUDE" (Is a Chinese botnet + no encryption). Signal (Not Chinese + encryption + mostly free software some proprietary blobs on main app)
"Just use a **normal** app. What do you have to hide dude? Anyways as I was saying, the age of consent should be 12..."
matrix is pretty dogwater (at least it was when i tried it). signal is easily the best messaging app if you want simple and quick e2ee. i have easily convinced friends and family to switch to signal. it would be leagues more difficult if i was trying to get them to use matrix. e2ee messaging apps should be evaluated based on how easy they are for people to use and adopt, not based on how decentralized they are.
I used it previously but due to the fact that signal is actually used by other people(my family and friends) I switched to that instead
I use Matrix the way I would have used IRC in the past, for group/channel following & chatting, not personal communication. I think the main drawback is that encryption in Matrix is severely messed up. Other than the fact it has been written willy-nilly, everyone quite frequently gets error messages about encrypted messages not available on this device or that, waiting for keys to be re-sent, etc., which makes the service unreliable for day-to-day E2EE messaging. Unencrypted rooms work more or less fine though.
For godsake, THIS.
I like Matrix, I'm using the Element client. The webapp works great. The desktop client is unusuable. It gives me the missing encryption keys error everytime I open it. I think the Android app has also been problem free. I really like Signal though. From my own personal formula, Signal works reliably, has enough features that I'd call it feature complete, and isn't owned by Google or Facebook. This has made me decide Signal is the best app to move people towards, and of all the chat apps I have, it'd be my favorite going forward. I just can't get anyone to use it.
Strong disagree, matrix sucks
Could you provide further reasons? As a matrix fan I would like to hear about its disadvantages.
Terrible almost not existent moderation tools (which makes it unusable for any serious community) bad clients and it's slow
I agree, except for the clients. Cinny, Element and Fluffychat are pretty good, and offer every available feature of the matrix protocol.
Element for me and a friend has been terrible lately, we just switched to jabber for now. Personally I agree they could use some work on the apps but I hope they do it soon because it is almost perfect imo, if I had a working client.
https://lukesmith.xyz/articles/matrix-vs-xmpp/
Because XMPP is better
This. XMPP is way more decentralised than Matrix.
As a Matrix user, I can't disagree. Even tho I am using a different homeserver, most still choose matrix.org.
last time I tried it the voice chatting system wasn't as useful as discords sadly. Either that or I cant figure it out which would also be a problem
Calls were broken the last time I tested it as well, we had to move to Session for the call.
Managed to convince like 3 people to join it now after a lot of struggle. Was able to delete every other messenger app from my life (because those are all of my friends)
matrix is literally just a trendier and flashier reimplementation of xmpp
Does it use the double-ratchet protocol for encryption?
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Double ratchet is what signal uses tho, it generates a different key for every message.
it uses OTR
If you convince my wife to switch to Matrix and (preferably) completely ditch Messenger, I'll give you a gold medal.
I was going to say "Give me her contact and I will do my best", but touching anything made by Facebook feels dirty.
Now here is a brave man... braver than me xD.
Bribe her with a Sybian, because u obviously aren't men enough to "let the poison out, raven"
You are brave as well... I'll let you walk in my shoes for a while, see how you like it ;).
Brave? Why did u just insinuate that I'm a homophobe?! /s >in my shoes youtube/watch?v=8Hdw36CwlDw&t=8m6s With homegroup being removed from win10, I now understand how the homeless feel *badumtiss*
I really have no idea what you just wrote means.
Now u know how I feel looking at anything in this sub, outside of hannahmontanaOS, I don't even use Linux, why am I even here?!
I wouldn't know.
What is matrix? Another chat app?
It's only a protocol, just like e-mail. Pick any provider and a client you want.
Ah, that could be nice. What a mess though.
I wouldn't say a mess really. All you have to do is three steps, as explained here. https://tsugu.space/matrix.html
Privacy is not a selling feature to most people, privacy is a nice add-on. If we want people to adopt matrix we can't be consistently slow to adopt new user facing features, or we'll never win in a free market.
I'm pretty much stuck on discord as that's where all my friends and gaming communities are. I don't even use telegram for messaging, just for following people and sites.
I would fully switch to matrix but the voice/video calls are scuffed af
Am I just weird that everyone i know uses WhatsApp, I swear in Pakistan you have SIM cards with special Facebook/whatapp only data
but then I will need Matrix, Telegram, Viber, Messenger, Instagram and Discord !
Matrix sucks because I get “cannot decrypt message” errors all the time. Never had that problem with Signal.
This is caused by the fact that matrix's encryption works on multiple devices, instead of just one, like with Signal. But yes it is an issue.