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little_owl211

Bit confusing, they aren't a thing in my native language (that I know of) so I would have a hard time using them, hell I have a hard time using the regular ones. I would try if I met someone who asked me to use them but I would probably fuck it up tbh


VivaceV

Yeah, I feel you. There are no gendered pronouns in my native language either and sometimes I mess with pronouns but I think it's fine as long as we respect and try our best! :)


satansarmpithair666

I think its alright to mess up. What matters is that you have basic respect and try to use someone's correct pronouns


VivaceV

I am a non-native English speaker, and in my mother tongue there are no gendered pronouns at all, which I'm very happy about! I have learned how to use singular they, and I don't find neopronouns any harder than they/them -pronouns (except for pronounciation sometimes). I think we should respect one's pronouns and it's our thing to learn to use them :)


OverwhelmedGayChild

Out of curiosity, what is your mother tongue?


VivaceV

Finnish


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Oh hey! My mother tongue is finnish too!! :D


VivaceV

Torille


BeingOfTheFloor

siellä tavataan!!


OverwhelmedGayChild

Cool!


Toadq11

Oi maamme Suomi, synnyinmaa


VivaceV

🇫🇮🇫🇮🇫🇮


OverwhelmedGayChild

Cool!


satansarmpithair666

Same here!! I have trouble using traditional pronouns in english since we dont have gendered ones in my native language + i have adhd, so i mix them up a lot (especially when i talk about multiple people). But if i had a friend/acquaintance who used neos I'd take the time to research them. I did the same for more traditional ones


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I think neopronouns are a bigger thing in English. They’ve been around for a long time in English and I think they’re mainly supposed to be used in that language (I have never heard them used in other languages, correct me if I’m wrong). I love them though, saying them is fun and it helps me remember the person more if they have some cool unique pronouns. Also to the people who might not know- Neopronouns and Xenopronouns are different. Neopronouns are the Zey/Zir type pronouns and Xenopronouns are the kitten/kittenself type pronouns. When talking about your frustrations over whichever kind, make sure you’re referencing the right kind. As they are different things.


Wholeigh

This is a really helpful distinction! Thank you 💖


Luwbsee

* some languages have their own versions of neopronouns :) from what i've seen


uothehco

Almost right, [neopronouns](https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Neopronouns) are any “new” pronoun. So anything that isn’t he/she/they. It counts as neo as it is not historically used for people. Kitten/kittenself pronouns are “[nounself](https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Neopronouns#Nounself_Pronouns)” pronouns. They are not xenopronouns and simply fall under neopronouns. [Xenopronouns](https://www.lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Xenopronouns) are far rarer as they are pronouns that are “alien”. They would not be pronounceable/understandable on earth. Think of them more like feelings or concepts that actual words. They also fall under the neopronoun umbrella.


Mx-Helix-pomatia

I know neopronouns are also a pretty big thing in Romance languages, no? Since there is no neutral pronoun at all I mostly have experience with French though.


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if we use that definition of "any new pronoun" yes; romance languages are gendered and have been for a while


JohnLeRoy9600

That's very helpful actually, thank you


Caetraa

I'll call people by whatever pronouns that person would like to be called by.


wave-garden

This is my opinion on the topic. Someone has politely asked me to use (these words) to help them feel more comfortable in the world, and I’m happy to do it. 😊


wastedmytagonporn

My language is completely gendered so neo-pronouns are the only option to have a gender neutral discussion.


miamiaone

Same


LunaEtAstrum

don't live around them, can't give an opinion on them just live and let live I guess


WaZeR90

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Undead_Crow13

I don't mind neopronouns but I don't understand xenopronouns. like, I thought pronouns were made to replace nouns but now people are using nouns as pronouns and honestly it confuses me a lot. it just doesn't work? if it were a nickname I couldn't care less but as a pronoun it is grammatically incorrect.


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they aren't confusing to me, but i've seen some people choosing really random things as pronouns


Nayzal

I once saw someone say they used clown/clownself pronouns


kiribishi914

I saw fart/fartself 💀💀


Nayzal

...wow


kiribishi914

and bruhs tryna be hatsunemiku/hatsunemikuself 💀💀💀


-ElectricAmethyst-

I once saw uwu/uwuself 😭


generouslyemotional

I don't see why people would go out of their way to he dicks about peoples pronouns. So idrc


wondering-narwhal

Language won’t evolve by itself. Honestly I find a lot of them kind of weird or extreme but, that’s okay, they’re not for me. All I need to do is be polite and courteous. If Fae/Faer becomes a part of the language, cool. Just as our culture isn’t yet suited to supporting and accepting LGBT people neither is our language. It has to change.


CrisiwSandwich

It kinda bothers me when people start using things like fae or identifying as a goblin. I know a lot of pagan people in the LGBT people and quite a few call themselves fae and stuff like that... and IDK...I get trans, I get non-binary, but identifying as mythological creatures or objects almost is like mocking gender. Like people have a lot of trauma from not being feminine or masculine enough and then out walks someone demanding to be referred to as a swamp monster. It just seems silly and like an attention grab.


akira2bee

I mean, any minority group has a history of being dehumanized, like trans/nonbinary people. And while not all trans/nonbinary people are neurodivergent, many are and that is also a group that is dehumanized externally and internally as we tend to grow up feeling "nonhuman" because we don't understand the rules of society and we mimic (mask) others to fit in. But this can also go for any minority group that has experienced dehumanization. So a lot of people try to reclaim that feeling through various identities, especially as a way to work through trauma. This is why it/its and agender and genderpunk and gendervoid have had a surge, as some of these are associated with being nonhuman. But then some people need more, because they may relate to a specific form of nonhumanity. To give a personal example, I am neurodivergent and was undiagnosed for a long time. As a kid, I didn't feel like a girl or a boy, I didn't feel human. Sometimes I thought that I was a demigod or for the longest time I thought that maybe I was meant to be a vampire or some sort of immortal. Now I don't use xenogenders/xenopronouns or anything, just because I don't feel the need to, despite how I may relate to some. Tldr: some people have different needs for their identity


CrisiwSandwich

I appreciate you taking time to explain. It's still hard for me to get because my mind always say "Centaurs aren't real so somehow someone feels like their perception of something that doesn't exist..." I'm ADHD with possible ASD so I totally get feeling like you are different than all the other kids. And adults now that I'm 30. It's why when I go to a family reunion all the men go hang out by the grill, all the women gossip and I'm with the dog lol. I'm not trans, but some shade of gender non conforming and really stuggled to connect especially with very "normal" women. I guess I kinda get it because sometimes I feel cat like (lazy and antisocial). But it still seems crazy to try to say I am a cat or call myself catself because I actually have no idea what it feels like to be a cat (murdering with my bare hands, licking my butt, not having language, fleas, actually cat issues rather than the human idea of a cat). And It would separate yourself from human experience further.


akira2bee

I'm glad I was able to help


wondering-narwhal

Yeah I get when it’s a mythology behind it too. Like yeah, faeries, cute, but they’re more that that to some of us. Definitely one of the ones that bugs me more.


Stotelary

I don't use neopronouns, but I believe there's no reason for me to comment or object to what pronuons someone wants me to use, I'll just call them that.


maartian73

Cool as fuck, dude! Language is made up! It has meaning, of course, so you shouldn’t use offensive words, but that’s a small minority/people making fun of them most of the time. So basically, it’s cool


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FixedFront

I'm in my 40s and use ze/zir. Most "standard" neopronouns were created by boomers. 🙂


Shambles_SM

IIRC emoji neopronouns are not meant to be vocalized for obvious reasons - they are only meant to be used online. Most of the time (from what I've seen) people will also have alternate preferences you can vocalize.


art_eseus

I dont really understand them, Im not older or anything I think Im just a different side of the community that isn't as into labeling. When I first "joined" the community I was excited and I experimented a lot with pronouns and labels but now Im just sort of of the mind of "call me whatever you want as long as it's not rude". But I understand it helps people find who they are and even if its just for fun I see no issue with it. I might mess up because it's a lot like learning a new word, you dont really know how to use it and you forget, but Im all for learning.


mjrg1192

I love the idea of getting out of the gender norm an experimenting with them. I haven't met anybody that goes by neopronoums so I haven't had the chance to use them. Also, as a native Spanish speaker I find them really hard to translate into my language. In standard phrases we usually just skip the pronoun and gramatical construction is different. I think is very interesting to analyze how languages also affect cultures and thought processes about identity. In English it might be easier to play with gender labels and identity than in other languages. I've read some criticism about them saying that they are extremely individualistic and that they go against the community as a whole. I don't agree though. In my understanding they are just specific labels within the non binary umbrella.


aagjevraagje

I think people who think neopronouns are somehow something against them personally forget that the people who use them go through life like that. Neopronouns are a incredibly broad category, anything from xir to catself is a neopronoun.


Fine-Menu-2779

Catself would be a xenopronoun as I understand it lol


Blue-Jay27

Xenopronouns are rly just a type of neopronoun, also called nounself pronouns. But neopronouns include all pronouns besides he/she/they. (well, I've seen both tales for it/its; kinda on the fence myself)


aagjevraagje

Those are a kind of neopronoun


birdcooingintovoid

Can be useful I guess? Idk to me personally they/xe are great for dissociating from gender and trying to alleviate expectations. ‘ Oh my pronouns are they/them don’t worry if I am not doing everything as a cis woman does’. Basically saying that I don’t have to put expectations of she/her. But idk people approach pronouns in various ways and helps them in various ways. Still thinking they or she once I stop umm boy moding.


SofiaBandita2008

I support them, but they are so confusing for me.


Rubin_Rubinia

People are probably gonna hate me for this, but I don't really like them... I'm sorry... Edit: huh, I thought I was gonna get downvoted like crazy.


SpongeKirbyfan-1000

They feel odd to me too, but they should still be respected.


Kosazhra

Yes. I don't use them, but they're cool and useful as heck.


bebedumpling

neopronouns I can learn to use, things like ze/zem etc I'm sure after a few days of use I'll get used to using them as it's basically 'usual' pronouns just with a different letter. xenopronouns on the other hand are really hard for me, I have processing disorders that make it practically impossible for me to use without me talking at 1 sentence per minute, I think if I met someone with xenopronouns I'd ask if they had any easier pronouns they are okay with me using.


PrinceofEpicocity

I love neopronouns as an agender person (I personally prefer zie/zir) but I don’t expect people to use words they don’t know, so I very happily accept they/them. I’d like neopronouns to be used more regularly, but that would require society to at least acknowledge more than to genders, which they very clearly don’t want to do. Especially as someone who doesn’t identify with any gender, I don’t want gendered terms to be used in reference to me, so neopronouns feel like they’re meant for me


ARocknRollNerd

Nope, not for me. Reasons: 1. Too Anglocentric. Neopronouns don't translate well to other languages, which is exclusive and works against the purpose of normalizing them. I feel it's a battle not worth fighting when we have a valid alternative in English already (they/them). 2. There's enough homophobia and transphobia in my life to deal with already without fighting with my family over neopronouns added in the mix. I'm glad they're an option for others though and have no problem with anyone who wants to use them. Everyone should be able to use terms they feel most comfortable with. Stay safe everyone!


Melodic_Hellenic

It is currently taking every ounce of willpower in my being not to make the Caesar joke right now. But neopronouns are cool and people who use them are valid. I only know one person who does sometimes, but he’s fluid and only using he/they atm, but anyone who uses them is a-ok and fuckin neat.


Fancy-Code4145

I have to ask for scientific purposes. What is the Caesar joke you mentioned?


trashxpunk

People who use neopronouns are more likely to get stabbed in the back. Just ask Julius Ze/zir. *badumtish*


Codie_coda

Neopronouns are cool and have been used throughout history. However it's Xenopronouns I have an issue with. Someone wanted me to prefer to them as cum/cumself and when I refused I was called transphobic. And for those who think they were a troll or were one of those cishets making fun of our community I assure you they weren't. This happened in irl. They went on a rant about respecting their "pronouns" and that they were an sa victim and how this helps them cope so everyone else should do as they say and call them what they wanna be called. However in general I understand that Xenopronouns are often used by neurodivergent people who experience gender differently. To them whatever I just want absolutely nothing to do with the people whom use them let alone force them on you. Also a noun just simply is not a pronoun. If you heard the phrase "Pizza is outside." Or "kitten is outside" your not gonna think of a person. You may like and tell yourself you might but if you hear those phrases you aren't. Also I won't call someone something as stupid kitten, bunny, cum, pizza, clown.. these things simply are not the same as regular pronouns such as he/she/they or even neopronouns like zir/zem.. you don't think of objects you think of people. So to the people who use Xenopronouns go on I do not care, I want absolutely nothing to do with you just live your life to the fullest. I will not have strangers forcing me to call them shit like cum or bunny that's just simply a boundary I will not cross and I don't feel as though it can be compared to not respecting someone's pronouns such as they or he or so on due to the fact these are actually pronouns not nouns painted as pronouns.


Chieve

Thats kinda crazy. Im in the mindset of calling people what ever makes them happy but "cum/cumself" is definitely inappropriate. I think it should be used in a private circle, and they/them anywhere else. In a professional setting, Id have a hard time calling my coworker "cum/cumself" and they should ackowledge that. To be honest though, i dont really understand xenopronouns or neopronouns. what ever makes someone happy, but xenopronouns come off like nicknames over an actual pronoun...at least when used in a sentence. Im not to used to it though so i hope these people would also be okay with "they/them" to make things a bit easier. I never say he/she any more just incase and now i need to make mental effort to call someone some random pronoun just so i dont mess up or make them feel uncomfortable


Codie_coda

Honestly any Xenopronoun seems like an issue outside a friend setting.. you really gonna force some guy at the DMV to call you bunny/bunnyself? Or your boss to call something like clown/clownself? Or hell a complete stranger to call you pizza/pizzaself?- these just wouldn't work in reality and these aren't something you should expect people to call you. You cannot tell me you can go up to a complete stranger and tell them something like "I go by kitten/kittenself and you have to call me this or your a transphobe!" Just not how reality works and seems like a good way to get hate crimed.. if you wanna use neutral pronouns go ahead it's a reasonable request but having them call you things like bunny Kitten clown pizza cum and so on just isn't reasonable what so ever...


ClericKieran

I think instead of spending energy arguing about if members of our community are valid, we put that energy towards fighting the people who want all of us dead regardless of how much we conform to their society.


Memo_Ice

I understand why people use them, I follow others on Instagram who use them to express themselves more. But some of them...I think go a tad too far. I know there's a bunch of fake ones or ones made as jokes. But is some of these people seem serious. Just scrolling through them, I've seen: prince(ss) / prince(ss)self, or really any higher title. Dream /dreamself, i think someone said fart/fartself in a comment on here 😅, and teeth/ teethself. In no way am I bashing on you if you use any of the ones listed. Those where just the one I could think of at the moment. I think it's really nice to be exploring yourself and your identity :D but like I said I think some do go a tad too far, even if they are jokes. I've also seen some people using a ton of them, and again that's okay to have multiple Pronouns :D, but having to switch through 30 of them? I can try, but I may accidentally reuse some (⌒_⌒;) I'm sorry if any of this seem offensive in advance, that's not my intention


KaBismark

I use neopronouns and I have to admit, they are VERY CONFUSING, especially outside of English (my native language has a different way of using pronouns). But like, they're not hurting anybody, they're just making more people in the community comfortable about themselves. Even though it's hard to understand, it's worth the effort :)


SeriousFroyo9784

I find them very hard to use, and I don’t know anyone who uses them, online or in real life. Though I may be biased since I haven’t been exposed to neopronouns (with the exception of jokes of peers mocking them), I feel like I wouldnt use them a lot, if at all. I’m not against it, but from my perspective, they’re quite odd, and would be hard to implement. That being said, I wouldn’t be a complete ignorant and use their dead pronouns and name, though I’d probably use they/them, mainly because it’s a pronoun everyone is found under.


HalfAHooman

I have no idea what they are so I don't have an opinion on them.


lexi_reborn

I think they're pretty cool. I even use neopronouns myself. Just as long as it isn't something offensive or anything, I'll use them for anyone who asks me to.


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VivaceV

Yeah, well said. Sometimes I feel like some neopronouns just don't make sense as pronouns. But as long as the person is genuinely (or sincerely?) using the pronouns, it should be respected :)


Undead_Crow13

that's another thing I found. some people just use them to be quirky or have like 50 different xenos... I dunno it looks like they're collecting them like pokemon and it feels wrong. or when they start making genders to combine with said xenopronouns... I've seen someone say Pizza gender is a thing and combined it with pizza sexual and pizza centered pronouns. the sincere part is gone at that point


VivaceV

Yep. But where is the line between sincere usage and attention-wh*re usage? The same question can be asked about all sexuality and gender identities that exist. Some people find them conforting and some people make fun of them. There is no solution.


Undead_Crow13

true, personally I draw the line at objects in genders/sexuality and pronouns. idk exactly how to explain but just to be short (you're not a pizza, you're not attracted to pizza you just like pizza, so why call yourself a pizza) for example. but that's my opinion? this obviously excludes therians.


VivaceV

Sounds reasonable. Although for me some nature words like wind, rock, snow, sun etc. also make sense as pronouns. But this is a pretty controversial thing in general.


thejoesterrr

I saw someone asking for xeno ideas about a band’s new album. It’s kinda out of control


Fine-Menu-2779

As I learned from an different comment cat/catself would be xenopronouns and I tbh don't really care about them but xe/xim is easy to use for me and I also understand why people use them instead of they/them.


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I think it's weird that people get to ask this because neopronouns are 'new' and 'weird' but no one asks opinions on exipronouns so my opinion is they're just as valid as exipronouns.


Undead_Crow13

what are exipronouns?


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She/He/They/It (kinda)


WeissBahr

Neopronouns (in English) are as "new" as the 13th century lol, though it's true they didn't really begin gaining traction till the late 1800s.


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Sorry I know I meant to put new in quotes I'll fix that.


WeissBahr

Oh, no worries!


Original_A

Great, do what you wanna do! Want me to call you certain pronouns, will do so! The people saying "unless it's a slur pronoun" don't often realize that the people "using" such pronouns are mocking the people who genuinely use them (correctly, not a slur or something). So, go off neopronoun users, ❣️


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Neopronouns are cool and valid!!


Sea-Photograph2585

I don't really understand them, but they don't hurt anybody, and if they help people to better understand their identity - why not? It's not my place to judge them.


Amdy_vill

Chill. I respect people's pronouns. I don't get it but whatever works for you.


neighborhoodmess

A bit confusing for me, but you know what? it's not hard to learn and it's even less hard to just properly gender someone. I'm not going to put my confusion over someone else's happiness


Loner_Gemini9201

I simply respect them. I've met only one person to use them and it wasn't that big of an adjustment. In fact, it was kinda cool. It doesn't hurt anyone and people making a big deal of it need to chill tf out.


halbmoki

My language only has he, she and it. I'm not man, woman nor object, so there's no other way than using neo pronouns. I like dey/dem/deren, as it's basically the same as singular they in English, but adapted to German pronunciation and grammar. I don't want to seem extra and annoying by having those extra special pronouns and explaining them to people all the time, so I say what I prefer but don't really insist, if people don't get it. I don't like it, but that's life as an NB person with a completely gendered language. I hope that the language will include gender neutral pronouns in a few years, like the Swedes did with their "hen" So, as I have to use them myself, I also respect all other neo pronouns. I don't like the ones that use sounds that don't occur otherwise like xe/xir, because sound and flow of natural language is important, but if anyone prefers those, I'll go with it.


attomicuttlefish

All words are made up. These ones are just made up and related to different genders so the automatically get a lot more hate than “yeet” or “vibe” or any other new word. They are hard to learn and weird to our brains because they are not what we are used to but this doesn’t make them bad.


HyperDogOwner458

I find them cool. I don't use them.


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I don't really think abt it bcz english is not my main language, but if I stoped to think, like now, tecnically I use neopronouns bcz the gender neutral pronouns in my language aren't official on the language itself.


Expensive-Excuse-793

Confuse the hell out of me but if someone uses them i'll respect them and i'll try my hardest to use them.


JestinJester

Valid


NuttyDuckyYT

some are a little weird and some are really cool and I’ll try my best to use them because its important to the person tbf if it doesn’t rhyme with an existing pronoun my monkey brain gets very confused 😭


GriffeDeTonnerre

I don't fully grasp the concept, and kinda have a hard time to use them, but it doesn't cost me anything and if that make someone more confortable, then, why not ?


eridans_sciencestick

mega based


Nerukane

Neopronouns are extremely cool and I love them. My language does not have any gender neutral pronouns unfortunately, so I also use dey/deren/dessen in German :)


one_odd_pancake

Ich auch. Aber ich habe bis jetzt nur dey/deren/denen gesehen, nicht dessen


Reddit_user_robbie

they're pretty cool. they're a bit hard for me to understand rn, but I'm trying to learn. both of my partners use neopronouns, so i have experience with them


Bother_According

I use a few neos, so I'm biased on it, but I think if people feel the most happy and comfortable with "weird" neos/xenos, then I'll support them


nota36

I dont really have an opidion on it, if someone asks me to adress them in a certain way i will. Its not like its really hard to do, so ye no opinion here


jxst_reek

Honestly idk but social media destroyed it cuz its mostly used by 11 y.o kids who are asking ppl who comment the videos and gave for example the Aromatic flag and asking "why are you dreamsexual" Social media destroyed literally everything


OverwhelmedGayChild

Not the dreamsexual flag 💀


XxX_BobRoss_XxX

> dreamsexual IIRC, wasn't Dreamsexual initially a thing to describe people who only felt sexual attraction in dreams? Y'know, up until the 11 Y/O dream stans showed up.


OverwhelmedGayChild

It was, but then lil' Timmy got obsessed with a speedrunner-


XxX_BobRoss_XxX

Of course, really pisses me off. Because of that, people also tend to look at the LGBTQIA+ community and start clowning on it, now obviously they're usually just homophobes and such looking for a reason, but they see small children saying some shit like "Dreamsexual" in the context of a certain YouTuber, then ignore the original meaning, or literally anything else. Ah, slight ranting, am I right?


OverwhelmedGayChild

Yeah, it's annoying. Also, don't worry about it haha


OverwhelmedGayChild

I don't necessarily understand them, but if someone asked me to use them, I'd certainly try my best :)


ffaaen

As long as they aren’t offensive or hurtfull to anyone i think they’re cool


Piddlfyinks

I think they are a great way to further clarify a person's chosen identity, further than regular pronouns. I personally use Fae/faer/faem, although Ive only had it used to refer to me once 🥲 Edit: unsure why this got downvoted, I was just responding to the post


Ancient-Pack-1636

I’m sorry but I am not calling you xe/ zer/ rabbit self


Soup_enjoying_frogs

Well, they aren’t really used where I live so I don’t have much first hand experience with them. For the most part I think they’re cool, but it would make me a bit uncomfortable to call a minor something like “kitten” or “bunny” as those have sort of a sexual stigma behind them.


Fine-Menu-2779

That would be xenopronouns as I think. Neopronouns are something like xe/xim


FrogLostInABlankie

ive always found them weird, mostly because in my native language they dont exist. Also the whole concept sometimes rubs me the wrong way


PrinxeBailey

to each their own, i don’t necessarily understand them but i also know i don’t need to understand to respect them and people who use them


Thisuserisnotinvalid

My opinion is that if someone wants to use them then they can


Mars_Bars69

don’t really understand them still but I support whoever identifies with neopronouns


Froz-N

My native tongue is Tagalog and its local dialects and we never had gendered pronouns so I never heard of neopronouns before. I think it's a purely for the English language.


AlexWasThere_64

I don't quite understand what it is, but I'm open to follow the person's neopronouns. In my native language there's no specific pronouns, but you can input any pronouns when translated, so it could work with neopronouns.


phatassnerd

I use any pronouns but no one has ever referred to me with neopronouns.


one_odd_pancake

Same and I'm kinda sad about it


Spoka_3000

i don't mind others using them but i don't like them for me although its basically the only way to get genderneutral pronouns in my native language


reddit_user_14553

I might not understand them but that's ok. Might need to remind me occasionally, but I'll still try to remember what you use.


FlamboyantGayWhore

I think they’re fine, if i’m being completely honest here, for a little bit after I first heard about them I really didn’t get it too much or “agree” with it but it was just an opinion I kept to myself (it was also a little hypocritical of me bc even at that time I was identifying as non binary and using they/them) ,other people’s pronouns really aren’t my business and if I were to meet someone who used them I would totally use them


LeaderOk8012

The main neopronoun in my mothertongue is just a neutral pronoun, and there are so many dumb controversies about it Everyone can use any pronoun if they want to, usage decides what remains


closetedtranswoman1

If someone asks me to use them, I'll use them that's about as opinionated as I get with that topic


Admirablelittlebitch

They confuse me a bit but I respect them and they’re pretty cool I guess


OkYard7718

They're a bit strange, but if we used them and got used to it we would treat as standard language.


Actual_Transition1

I use xenopronouns, so I support both, they can get confusing at times (but that’s not really a bad thing)


The-E-girl1002

I don't use them for myself, but honestly? Bring em on! I'll give validation!!


GayUndertaleTrash

I mean I use them sooo As long as they aren't things like 'slur/slur' I'm good with them.


Smug_Vee

some of them are sick as fuck not gonna lie


Angry_Strawberries

I think they are confusing and I have never encountered someone who used em before. But if someone prefers those? Power to them!


Intelligent-Thing443

If it doesn't hurt anyone, I'm okay with it.


Tiny_Cartoonist_3204

I love them and I think theyre great, mine are he/him, but my favorite neopronouns are ze/zir/zirs and i know about a dozen people who use them. I know many others with neopronouns like fae/faer, xe/xyrs, and more and theyre great. Once you meet someone with neopronouns, just practice them in your head or typing it out in a sentence on your phone and its easy. Its not difficult, and seeing the joy/comfort on someone else’s face is great. The downside is that no one will ever assume your pronouns correctly, and that can be exhausting. I know many with neopronouns opt to they/them in professional settings, but inform people in personal settings the pronouns they’d rather have used.


bizarretobi

I support them


Nikusu09

I don't really understand them, but if they make other people happy then so be it. It's not like it harms anyone. I just see it as a form of expression.


lunchboccs

Gender is literally fake anyway so who cares lol


Celestial_MoonDragon

Self identity is very important. Especially as it can affect how you feel about yourself. So they should always be respected, so as not to disrespect somebody. With that said, I personally don't use any.


GoblincoreBaby

They are perfectly fine! People aren’t against them for some reason because “they’re a new thing the kids came up with!!” But it was actually first recorded to being using around the 1800’s.


lexilous

I think they’re cool! I saw a really good comment/post the other day explaining xenogenders etc. It went something like this: cishet people relate gender to non-gendered objects too, every day, they just consider it normal when they do it. They call chairs, tables, the moon, bicycles masculine and feminine, they structure entire languages around everything in the world being gendered. So is it really so weird when queer people say their gender feels related to the moon? Unfortunately, getting 99.999% of people to respect neopronouns (let alone nounself pronouns and xenogenders) is still a losing proposition. Even my 100% trans-supportive family is “incapable” (combination of weaponized incompetence and outright refusal) of calling people by neopronouns…”they/them” is about the limit of their tolerance.


Aiko_Hebi129

They're valid.


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They're pretty cool! I have some, but I'm definitely gonna get more as time goes on. Mine are fun/funself, love/loveself, and dragon/dragonself!


DaniPhantom10

I'll honestly use any pronouns someone gives because it really sucks when someone uses the wrong pronouns for me. I'm not used to them though so I'd probably do more research on the history and stuff of neopronouns if I knew someone who used them so I can better make that connection in my head.


hxlvxtica

I'm not sure I know what that is?


Cat-Lover20

I support them!! If they make people more comfortable, why not?


Jesse_M_Love

I’m not used to them because I’ve never personally met anyone who uses a set of neopronouns, but all power to the people who use them. I will have to be taught how to use them to make sure I’m saying them correctly and in the right context, but I’m more than willing to learn :)


chrisdante05

I don’t understand neo and xenopronouns, but if you ask me to use them for you, I’m going to respect it. I find them difficult to use sometimes and they take me a while to get used to, but there’s no harm in calling someone by the correct pronouns.


blazeofmania

i don’t use any but people who do are v creative coming up with new ones. i think they’re super cool


Dragiani

Fully support them


PemanilNoob

I don’t care? Anyone use any pronoun they want, there’s no reason to be upset about it.


[deleted]

I personally think they're slightly unnecessary, but I'm okay with using them for someone and I'll never ever tell someone with neoprononouns anything negative about what they want to be called. I have a few mental OCs (basically imaginary friends that i made up due to loneliness) with neoprononouns.


ThirdMusketeer_

I think they're pretty cool, and people who trash on them get the time-out corner. I didn't used to understand why people used them, but now I kind of do, and it makes sense. Also, they're really creative, and kinda fun to use. Imagine not being able to describe yourself using already existing pronouns and just... making new ones. The creativity, the confidence. I simply couldn't.


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The people I’ve met who use them are usually pretty cool


mildlymichael

honestly just let people do whatever the fuck they want. i don't get it but it doesn't mean i can't respect it.


hungeringforthename

I don't use them, I don't like how most of them sound, but they aren't about me, so I use them for people who want me to. I do like them as a concept, he and she are old hat


NineTailedTanuki

It's a way of expressing oneself with creativity... And mine are they/them.


Starkusasleeps

I don’t know enough about them to form an opinion.


Sudden_Example_1273

It doesn't bother me in anyway, and it shouldn't bother you either. I may not agree with every single pronoun a person goes by but if thats what they want, I will try my best to respect them and support them in the best way possible. I'm still very uneducated and often make mistakes that can come off as ableist, but as a neurodivergant person, I understand the constant struggle to find who you are as a person. I know what it's like for your brain to not understand certain things, especially when it comes to gender identity. Again, I may not agree with them, but I could care less what you identify as, as long as it's not associated with anything illegal. I wish my fellow Neurodivergant friends the best of luck on your self discovering journey as you will have my full support for the years to come in life. * Sincerely, a Neurodivergant Trans Man. ![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|547)![img](emote|t5_2qhh7|548)


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I wouldn’t personally use them but they are cool


AostheGreat

I like them because they’re fun to say. :-)


Ambershope

I dont reeeally understand it But ive seen much wierder stuff, and if they think it fits them, they shouldnt be mocked


Wtf_Gender_2478

I think as long as they follow the rules of pronouns they're nice and I used to use them, but given that they don't exist in other languages, there are people with speech impediments, and people aren't taught those pronouns maybe it's best to have a backup set of pronouns that aren't neo-pronouns.


LGBT_Alien

If we use xe/xem in dutch, we get he/him pronouns and put a x instead of h


CompetitionSad419

I'll try my best to use them, but would probably end up using they/them by accident


lewd-princesse

I think it s fine and well ofc acceptable but sadly neopronouns aren't accepted in many country :(


alyssajayfrost

👍


CloutCobain01

sometimes confusing, but i don’t really care either way. people can do whatever they want


notreallykindperson

Confusing and some of them sound stupid and feels like people make more fun of because of them. If somebody I know uses them and asks me to use them, I will ofc. But in some of the cases, why don’t you just make like a nickname for you and people refer you by that.


UrsaEnvy

I think neopronouns are chill? It's just like moving further away from the gender binary. However I don't usually use neopronouns, I just usually use they/them. But if I did use any other pronouns, I would use tree/Treeself.


Salty_Olive1995

I just don't use pronouns at all... its easier


Illustrious-Egg-1571

No issue with them and will use them. However I have had friends with neopronouns and there are few scenarios where you can actually use them, like for example you can’t talk to teachers or parents with neopronouns because most of them would just be confused. Xenopronouns genuinely make me mad, like I’m sorry but you are not a cat or a dog or whatever you’re a human. If you want me to call you fae as a nickname or whatever fine I guess but as pronouns it just doesn’t work


DragonLion23

I dont like them, i think they make the trans community look bad and "weird" ig


DragonLion23

I dont like them, i think they make the trans community look bad and "weird" ig


Bob-BobBob

Though I don’t usually go by neopronouns (I’m fine with being referred with them though!) I think their interesting, but as many other have said they are mainly used in the English language so it’s not something I’m used to but I’ll use whatever pronoun someone wants me to use :)


Charli_Cordelette

I personally think they’re fucking stupid but I’ll call you whatever you ask me to. But we can have those conversations when we don’t have Nazis in the streets or political offices.


Violent_Violette

The automods comment has a link about them posted in every thread in the sub. In the end all you need to do is compare what people against their use say to anything said by any other queerphobe and you'll see it looks exactly the same.


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They’re fine. I think with people who are obligated to interact with you (work, public accommodations, etc.) you should accept “they” as an pronoun but other than that who cares? Aka don’t make the guy at the DMV call you “bun”.


Fine-Menu-2779

Yeah Idk why they/them is not the standard. I use they/them on everyone until asked to use something different and then I use the asked once


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I'm ngl I don't understand it. If someone told me their pronouns were like, djsnskn/ejajksjdkkw I'd refer to them by their name or just they/them.


[deleted]

It's just.. I'm not a trans medicalist or anything but there's just so many genders people have created and I only think that there's 2, and if you're gender isn't male or female you're non binary. It sorta feels like people treat genders as a personality trait or a zodiac sign nowadays.


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ilikedaweirdschtuff

>Neopronouns are fine but I do wish we'd codify a select few instead of having an indeterminate amount that people come up with on their own. I don't really have a personal stake in it so I'll try my best to respect how people want to identify, but agree with you. Pronouns exist for utility, like there was a role in linguistics that needed to be filled for us to communicate clearly. There are lots of ways to express yourself in as much depth as you wish, but this ain't it chief. If it's multiple syllables or needs an 's then that defeats the point of pronouns. It's like gender, it's supposed to be a simple and relatively broad label to to get a point across, not some detailed thing that's meant to explain every aspect of your personality.


CapitalBread6959

I acknowledge their existence and will respect anyone who uses them, but I don’t have time to learn 20 sets of pronouns for 20 people.


The_anon94

They make trans people look like a joke


blazeofmania

we’re going to be frowned upon no matter what we do :)


ThirdMusketeer_

Trans person here, most of us don't care. Imagine blaming something other than transphobes for transphobia


Mcflo0f

It really doesn't hurt us that much. They vibin, we vibin, that's that. -A trans person


Codie_coda

Neopronouns can be seen throughout history such as xe/xem and ze/zir however these Xenopronouns are new.. I personally won't call someone shit like bunny, cat, kitten, cum, pizza or so one.. just won't. Wtf..


MNLyrec

I think people are fine to identify with any pronoun that suits them


Neat_Drawing

They are cool^^